kalibane wrote:While I agree I have a lot of doubts that Pryor will ever be an NFL quality QB, the Tebow comparison isn't quite apt.
Tebow is almost his own animal. His NFL career was built almost entirely on image. In order to buy into Tebow you had to throw out the game tape, throw out the stats, throw out the mechanics, throw out the arm strength and believe in the myth of the "winner". The only guy that I can remember being built up so much on what essentially boils down to marketing like Tebow is Bosworth. But I even think that's an insult to Bosworth because even though he never matched his hyped he was actually a decent football player for a couple of years.
I'm a OSU hater straight up, and I'm not a Pryor fan by any stretch but the fact is he was a legit NFL prospect who got railroaded by a bogus NCAA violations scandal and along with a couple others made to take the fall for Jim Tressell and shunted into the supplemental draft. Had Pryor played that next season and been made available in the general draft he would have been no worse than a 2nd round pick based on his talent, not on his myth. No doubt he was raw coming out but he had better footwork, a better delivery, was more accurate, had a stronger arm. On top of that he is a much better athlete than Tebow was.
Look at Tebow's stats... he completed 47% of his passes. He was TERRIBLE. Pryor wasn't good but he did complete 57% of his passes. 10% is a universe of difference. Calling Pryor Tebow isn't fair. It's a much more interesting prospect and he doesn't come with a circus.
NorthHawk wrote:From the few "highlights" I have seen of Pryor in Oakland, it seems he got into trouble by making risky throws. That's something Seattle beats into their QBs - don't make risky decisions.
If he can limit his bad decisions - if only to throw the ball away, he could be a viable backup here - that's if he's been brought in for QB competition.
After a year in the NFL, maybe the game has slowed down a little and perhaps he will be more comfortable in an offense that stresses the run game and not put all the pressure on the QB to win. Then again, he's going to have to see the field, and unless Wilson gets injured there's not much chance of that.
kalibane wrote:I think you're completely off base Monkey and it's not often I say that. Pryor is much more advanced in his passing skills than Tebow was. He's way more fluid in his drop back, he has a quicker release, his arm is very good and he's much more accurate. Now that all has to be put in proper frame of reference. It says more about just how bad Tebow was. But Pryor was (is?) a legit prospect at QB.
We need to stop throwing Tebow out there as a comparison because he is an outlier in terms of how bad he was. Tebow's comps are guys like Scott Frost, Darian Hagan, Tony Rice, Pat White. Guys who never learned how to throw properly whatsoever. Pryor is more like Geno Smith or Tavaris Jackson only more athletic. If Seneca Wallace could be developed into a backup that bounces around the league for 10 years there is no reason why Pryor can't.
That being said, it's still a curious move. I like TJack in a backup capacity. But as they say... it's about competition. And for a 7th rounder it's not a bad gamble on that kind of athletic talent.
Futureite wrote:
I agree with you for the most part, but Pryor's mechanics are aweful. That much was well chronicled here in the bay, and to Pryor's credit he spent a lot of time working to correct them. His biggest issue is hangin in the pocket and stepping through his throws in the face of a rush, which ironically is Gabbert's biggest problem as well. As a former QB myself I do believe mechanics can help a QB's accuracy quite a bit, but it cannot cometely fix it. A big component of accuracy is the innate ability to judge estimate the spacial proximity of moving objects to one another and with that, to estimate where to place the ball. I think Pryor can develop to be a pretty good QB - certainly better than Tebow - but he has some work to do on the basic fundamentals of the position.
HumanCockroach wrote:They aren't letting Wilson walk to keep Pryor Anthony, so you can stop worrying about it.
Anthony wrote:I hope the FO treds lightly, because what they do with Pryor could determine a lot about this team after this year. I also hope the feeling I have is wrong.
kalibane wrote:Futureite wrote:
I agree with you for the most part, but Pryor's mechanics are aweful. That much was well chronicled here in the bay, and to Pryor's credit he spent a lot of time working to correct them. His biggest issue is hangin in the pocket and stepping through his throws in the face of a rush, which ironically is Gabbert's biggest problem as well. As a former QB myself I do believe mechanics can help a QB's accuracy quite a bit, but it cannot cometely fix it. A big component of accuracy is the innate ability to judge estimate the spacial proximity of moving objects to one another and with that, to estimate where to place the ball. I think Pryor can develop to be a pretty good QB - certainly better than Tebow - but he has some work to do on the basic fundamentals of the position.
Again, my comments about Pryor's mechanics should be taken with the understanding that they say more about how bad Tebow was in that respect than how good Pryor is. It's a matter of relativism. My only point is his mechanics aren't so bad that he should never have been consisdered as a QB prospect. Where as Tebow should have only been drafted with the expressed purpose of converting him, the same way Scott Frost was drafted to be a Safety or Matt Jones was drafted with the expressed purpose of converting him to WR. Pryor has such insane athleticism combined with at least enough of the fundamentals to be considered a low 2nd - 4th round developmental prospect. And I believe barring a big setback he probably would have been taken in the 2nd round if Jim Tressell hadn't sacrificed Pryor to save himself over some free tattoos.
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