Tyreek Hill

[mykc14]

Tyreek Hill traded to the Dolphins for 5 draft picks!! The dolphins are showing why they are such a bad franchise as they immediately sign him to a 4 year 130 million dollar extension. $30 mil a year? River has been calling for us to trade DK and I think this probably seals the deal. We cannot justify, especially in our offense, paying DK $30 mil/year. I was hoping Hill would sign for less than Adams, who is the better the receiver, and then DK would fall under that. Unfortunately receivers are getting paid out of their minds right now and we don't want to put ourselves into one of those contracts. It's sort of like when we signed B-Wags to his extension, making him the highest paid MLB in the NFL right after MLB contracts shot up. The next year they dropped by 10-20%.

[NorthHawk]

They got a haul of picks for hi, as well.

According to PFT:

Kansas City will receive a 2022 first-round pick, 2022 second-round pick, 2022 fourth-round pick, 2023 fourth-round pick, and 2023 sixth-round pick in exchange for Hill

[NorthHawk]

With all these high dollar signings, it makes me wonder if teams are betting on a huge increase in
the Salary Cap with the additional revenue from gambling and streaming the next few years.

[obiken]

With all these high dollar signings, it makes me wonder if teams are betting on a huge increase in
the Salary Cap with the additional revenue from gambling and streaming the next few years.

No, they realize its all about weapons. You need a pass rush, FCQB, and Weapons. This moves them above the Pats in that division. In the short term it hurts KC, the Broncos, IMHO are the favorites now.

[NorthHawk]

It is happening when the Cap is expected to reach around 250M in the next few years, so I tend
to think it is a factor. However it is a gamble in that something could derail that trajectory.
It might also be in part the success of the Rams who have gone after big time players at the expense
of Draft picks for a chance at the brass ring.

[Hawktawk]

With all these high dollar signings, it makes me wonder if teams are betting on a huge increase in
the Salary Cap with the additional revenue from gambling and streaming the next few years.

No, they realize its all about weapons. You need a pass rush, FCQB, and Weapons. This moves them above the Pats in that division. In the short term it hurts KC, the Broncos, IMHO are the favorites now.

Nobody but you sees the Broncos winning that division . It’s being called the toughest division in the history of the league with all the FAs and trades . Mahomes is a Qb who makes his skill people better . He’s 10x Wilson now . They will probably replace Hill with someone just as fast with better character with all those picks .

Then the Raiders having picked up Chandler Jones among others pieces including Davante Adams , coming off a razor thin WC loss .
Oh yeah and Carr will be looking across the field at the guy who made it public he wanted his job a year ago . Getcha popcorn .
Then maybe the young gun with the most upside Herbert and now Bosa has Kalil Mack across the line rushing . I think Denver will finish 9-8 at best in that division unless they morph into the LOB or Russ morphs back to good Russ clutch Russ.

[Aseahawkfan]

Get some picks for DK while you can. We can't be spending 18 million a year on Lockett and 23 million a year on DK. No way you tie up 40 million a year of the cap on two receivers. That's ridiculous.

[NorthHawk]

I have been against that, but seeing how much they are getting paid, maybe it’s a good idea as he
may be wasted with the expected substandard QB play for the next few years.

[obiken]

It is happening when the Cap is expected to reach around 250M in the next few years, so I tend
to think it is a factor. However it is a gamble in that something could derail that trajectory.
It might also be in part the success of the Rams who have gone after big time players at the expense
of Draft picks for a chance at the brass ring.

I agree NH, and there will be more copycats, but the Rams had a solid team already in place and did an upgrade. The Fins with TH, will beat NE because Billy is a dinosaur like PC. IF you try to do the Ram thing from the ground up you end up like the Texans, bankrupt and a dumpster fire for 3-4 years. What I am wondering if the draft is not obsolete, and maybe always was. What IF you spent 3 first on a great QB backin the 70's or 80's if those guys would have bought or balked. I guess George Allen tried to a lesser degree.

[obiken]

Get some picks for DK while you can. We can't be spending 18 million a year on Lockett and 23 million a year on DK. No way you tie up 40 million a year of the cap on two receivers. That's ridiculous.

Spot on bubba!

[govandals]

I don't understand why Miami does this trade. Shrewd move by Kansas City IMO.

Pete isn't trading DK anytime soon. He has searched for a big receiver since he got here in 2010. My guess is an extension gets done in training camp or even a few weeks into the regular season. If nothing gets done by the trade deadline, then he will be dealt. Obviously, Pete won't let him reach FA.

[Oly]

I don't understand why Miami does this trade. Shrewd move by Kansas City IMO.

And this is why I don't necessarily see the Hill trade impacting DK. How many other GMs are as stupid as Miami's GM? Who else thinks that this is the new norm for top-tier WRs? Of course, it only takes one so I could be wrong, but absolutely nobody is staying that Miami got a steal and so I'd be surprised to see the Hawks being able to get the same haul even if they wanted to trade DK.

Pete isn't trading DK anytime soon. He has searched for a big receiver since he got here in 2010. My guess is an extension gets done in training camp or even a few weeks into the regular season. If nothing gets done by the trade deadline, then he will be dealt. Obviously, Pete won't let him reach FA.

Exactly. I'm with asea that $40M/year for your starting WRs is too much, but I think Pete would rather keep DK and trade Lockett. I don't know if I share that preference, but if DK can use his size to become an elite blocker at the WR position I think he'd be the obvious choice for Pete's offense. Imagine play-action where DK is isolated and knocks his CB off balance and streaks down the field with only the FS to beat for the long pass. I love Lockett, but his ceiling in that kind of offense doesn't even come close to DK's (hell, DK might already be better for this kind of scheme).

[NorthHawk]

If WR compensation continues to follow recent QB salaries, tough decisions will need to be made.
What happens when he demands to be paid as the top or one of the top paid WRs? If the QB
situation isn’t settled he may want to go elsewhere to another team with a better Offense.

[Hawktawk]

DK is more impactful than Hill who is mr Swiss Army knife with blinding speed . He’s not gonna break a bunch of tackles or run over anyone or high point a ball 12 feet off the ground . DK is perhaps the most amazing physical specimen in history to play the position . The hands and maturity are not quite there yet and he’s still putting up huge numbers . You can succeed with less at QB throwing to a guy like him. Our backup threw him 4 TDs in 3 games . He and Locke and Lockett and Penney might surprise some folks . If we get back Carson all the better .

[NorthHawk]

The FO might be considering trading him because of the expected salary.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... f-seattle/

[RiverDog]

Tyreek Hill traded to the Dolphins for 5 draft picks!! The dolphins are showing why they are such a bad franchise as they immediately sign him to a 4 year 130 million dollar extension. $30 mil a year? River has been calling for us to trade DK and I think this probably seals the deal. We cannot justify, especially in our offense, paying DK $30 mil/year. I was hoping Hill would sign for less than Adams, who is the better the receiver, and then DK would fall under that. Unfortunately receivers are getting paid out of their minds right now and we don't want to put ourselves into one of those contracts. It's sort of like when we signed B-Wags to his extension, making him the highest paid MLB in the NFL right after MLB contracts shot up. The next year they dropped by 10-20%.

For me, this just adds an exclamation point onto my multiple calls to trade Metcalf while we can. Although if there is a WR that's worth that kind of money, Hill would be the guy, $30M for a WR is insane. I must sound like a broken record to a lot of you guys, but wide receivers are a dime a dozen. You don't build championship teams around wide receivers. I'm good with playing a guy like Lockett what we're paying him, but no way does it make sense to pay what the Dolphins are paying Hill.

I doubt that we could get for Metcalf what the Chiefs got for Hill, but we could definitely get at least a first plus a Day 2 pick. It would solve a lot of problems for us down the road.

[NorthHawk]

But then PC/JS would have to admit that we’re in a full rebuild.
We might not get the comp that KC got, but DK is about 4 years younger and if there was a bidding war
we might get a better haul than you suggest. There are a lot of teams who either have a young team/QB or
need a WR who’s capable of dominating.

[RiverDog]

But then PC/JS would have to admit that we’re in a full rebuild. We might not get the comp that KC got, but DK is about 4 years younger and if there was a bidding war we might get a better haul than you suggest. There are a lot of teams who either have a young team/QB or
need a WR who’s capable of dominating.

I don't think trading Metcalf would necessarily mean that we're in full rebuild. Even if Pete and John are as delusional as we think they are, they have to recognize that Kansas City isn't in full rebuild j/b they traded Hill.

I'd be recommending this trade even if we weren't in a rebuilding mode. I don't have that much respect for the position.

[NorthHawk]

KC has stars all over their lineup. We have two or maybe three. They don’t have major changes
to make like we do so they don’t have to rebuild.

[RiverDog]

KC has stars all over their lineup. We have two or maybe three. They don’t have major changes to make like we do so they don’t have to rebuild.

I understand. My point is that regardless of whether or not a team is rebuilding, it makes a lot of sense to trade a player with one year left on their contract that you're not going to want to pay market value in the following season.

[NorthHawk]

I'm not sure it's been decided that they won't want to pay market value for DK.
I hope they are talking and come to an understanding of what DK expects in an extension and I hope DK considers not only money but what
might be the best situation for him. He doesn't have any say in the matter, but the Packers and maybe the Chiefs (depending on how far apart
they were with Hill) along with some teams with younger QBs that could use a big WR might be better destinations for him. There is some time
before draft day, and I haven't heard of any desire for DK to leave or animosity with his Agent and our FO so I hope this gets settled sooner than
later.

[RiverDog]

I'm not sure it's been decided that they won't want to pay market value for DK.
I hope they are talking and come to an understanding of what DK expects in an extension and I hope DK considers not only money but what
might be the best situation for him. He doesn't have any say in the matter, but the Packers and maybe the Chiefs (depending on how far apart
they were with Hill) along with some teams with younger QBs that could use a big WR might be better destinations for him. There is some time
before draft day, and I haven't heard of any desire for DK to leave or animosity with his Agent and our FO so I hope this gets settled sooner than
later.

Whether or not we've made a decision on DK isn't what I was talking about. My argument is that a top tier wide receiver is one of the least necessary positions for a team to win a championship. The Rams are a perfect example. Prior to this season, Cooper Kupp was not viewed as a top tier wide receiver. He was slow afoot, average size, and not all that physical, but he is a superb rout runner and is surprisingly elusive. You have to wonder how many players there are out there with his skill set that could play close to his level. The physical requirements for the position is way over rated. You don't need an Olympic class body to play it.

It's just my humble opinion, but I do not want to be paying a wide receiver top dollar. Tyler Lockett makes $8M a year, or roughly 4% of the cap, which is about as high as I'd want to pay for our top WR. Hill will be making twice that cap percentage. Even with a home town discount, I doubt that you'd ever be able to talk Metcalf into taking Tyler Lockett-type money. I know I wouldn't. Therefore, the smart move is to trade him now.

[NorthHawk]

Unfortunately the prices of all WRs will rise with the top receivers getting so much. If this
continues, the average WRs will be making near what DK is expected to be offered.
Cooper Krupp is a top tier receiver, ImO and the Rams wouldn’t have been in the SB
without him or OBJ. KC will be an interesting case without Hill to make the sudden score
but the have a variety of options to replace him. So I think you are at odds with the current thinking
in the NFL considering how teams are stocking up on WRs and QBs that are good throwers.

At some point in our rebuild we will have to pay top $ for one even if it’s not DK.

[RiverDog]

Unfortunately the prices of all WRs will rise with the top receivers getting so much. If this
continues, the average WRs will be making near what DK is expected to be offered.
Cooper Krupp is a top tier receiver, ImO and the Rams wouldn’t have been in the SB
without him or OBJ. KC will be an interesting case without Hill to make the sudden score
but the have a variety of options to replace him. So I think you are at odds with the current thinking
in the NFL considering how teams are stocking up on WRs and QBs that are good throwers.

At some point in our rebuild we will have to pay top $ for one even if it’s not DK.

I agree that the Rams wouldn't have made it to the SB w/o Cooper Kupp (note correct spelling) and that he is now a top tier WR simply because of his record setting season, but he damn sure wasn't that highly thought of at the start of the season. Besides, I'm talking more about physical characteristics, ie speed and size.

I don't agree that we're going to have to pay top dollar for a good WR. Did you ever see Belichick paying top dollar for a WR? Heck, no. Well, maybe with Randy Moss, but as a rule, he had guys like Edleman and Welker that were much like Kupp, not game changers but good enough to move the sticks and win championships. In our Lombardi season, we spent a ton on Percy Harvin, who didn't do squat in getting us to the SB. It was receivers like Tate, Baldwin, and Kearse that carried us, and I wouldn't consider any of those guys as being top tier. They were very good but not HOF quality receivers.

There are a lot more important places to spend our cap money than WR.

[RiverDog]

And ironically, here's an article that reiterates exactly what I've been thinking for the past several months:

“Looking into my crystal ball, will DK Metcalf get traded? The answer is yes, I do believe that the Seahawks will trade DK Metcalf before the draft,” Heaps said.

”There are a lot of teams out there right now that are very desperate for a playmaking wide receiver,” Heaps said. “And if you have the chance in this draft to add another first-round pick, that’s very enticing. Even if it’s a late (first-round) pick, you can trade back and add more twos or add a two and a three. In this draft, it would be huge capital knowing that there is so much depth at positional needs for you defensively and at the offensive tackle position.”

Trading Metcalf for a haul of valuable draft picks, Heaps said, would allow the Seahawks to help build the roster in the mold they truly want.

“If you’re retooling with this team in the form of the vision of what you want this team to ultimately be, it gives you a lot of flexibility to be able to mold and shape your team with guys that you don’t have to pay big money towards that are on rookie deals and capitalize on that in your window for the next however many years,” Heaps said. “So that is why I look at it from that point.”

“DK Metcalf, I believe the floor for him in his deal should be $25 million. $25 million per year should be the absolute floor for DK Metcalf,” Heaps said. “And it could be potentially higher than that. So if his asking price continues to go up, if you’re the Seahawks, do you feel comfortable in doing that and giving that type of money to a receiver in a system that isn’t necessarily going to be super friendly to paying a No. 1 receiver like that? I think it’s going to be incredibly difficult to get those numbers to generate the you know fanbase saying hey, this is a great deal and this is working out extremely well.”

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1598195/ ... LApb8CKKAI

[NorthHawk]

I don't have a problem with DK getting traded, I just don't think the Seahawk FO is there yet and I'm not sure Pete ever will be.
He's always wanted that big fast WR in his Offense and he might not want to give him up for the future gains.

[Hawktawk]

I recall winning a Super Bowl with ADB and Tate . By the same token I want DK on the team next year . If the plan is to trade him wait a year . As for the comments about the offense not being friendly to DK now that Russ is gone I’ve got some stats for you .in his stint starting 4 of Genos 5 TD passes were to DK . even his worst game vs the Saints Geno hooked him up. When Russ got back DK didn’t get another until Russes 7th game back . Lots of misses and drops . So it might actually be better for him with a QB that feeds a weapon like that . Now that there is a very real chance we will see Locke , Geno or some draft pick I think he’s essential next year . If we should tank like everyone thinks dump him before the trade deadline .

[RiverDog]

I recall winning a Super Bowl with ADB and Tate . By the same token I want DK on the team next year . If the plan is to trade him wait a year . As for the comments about the offense not being friendly to DK now that Russ is gone I’ve got some stats for you .in his stint starting 4 of Genos 5 TD passes were to DK . even his worst game vs the Saints Geno hooked him up. When Russ got back DK didn’t get another until Russes 7th game back . Lots of misses and drops . So it might actually be better for him with a QB that feeds a weapon like that . Now that there is a very real chance we will see Locke , Geno or some draft pick I think he’s essential next year . If we should tank like everyone thinks dump him before the trade deadline .

Metcalf is a free agent in 2023. If we're going to trade him, we have to do it this season, and the ideal time would be prior to the draft, which is in just over 4 weeks. Otherwise, we either let him walk and get nothing but a comp pick in return or we sign him to a $25M+ contract.

[Aseahawkfan]

RD is exactly right. If every team knows DK is going to be a free agent and we don't plan to use the franchise tag on him, no way they pay that much in draft picks. They just wait until free agency.

[Hawktawk]

What if we trade him at deadline if we suck and if we are competetive we sign him . Doesn’t he still have great value and would cause a bidding war . I don’t know how to feel about runaway salaries but if it makes sense for someone else to give away picks and pay him 30 million maybe it makes sense for us to if he’s that much of a game changer . We already spent our draft pick on him . He’s the cheapest for us .

[NorthHawk]

This draft looks like it’s deep at WR, so although there probably isn’t a DK, there’s a lot
of good WRs some of who have good size and speed. As well, it’s expected we won’t have
top Quarterbacking for a couple or more years so it just might be the best decision for
both parties to part company. I’m just not sure Pete is ready to make that move emotionally
so it wouldn’t surprise me if DK is re-signed to a big extension.

[RiverDog]

What if we trade him at deadline if we suck and if we are competetive we sign him . Doesn’t he still have great value and would cause a bidding war . I don’t know how to feel about runaway salaries but if it makes sense for someone else to give away picks and pay him 30 million maybe it makes sense for us to if he’s that much of a game changer . We already spent our draft pick on him . He’s the cheapest for us .

That's a pretty big gamble. The optimum time for all trades is before the draft when teams have yet to pencil in their rosters. There's only a handful that occur within a few weeks before the trading deadline, meaning that the market is very limited. If we're going to trade him, the best time is within the next 4 weeks.

We never have been an offense that has featured a 'game changer' wide receiver. Percy Harvin was probably the closest that we've had under Pete had Harvin been able to remain healthy and kept his head out of his arse.

[Aseahawkfan]

That's a pretty big gamble. The optimum time for all trades is before the draft when teams have yet to pencil in their rosters. There's only a handful that occur within a few weeks before the trading deadline, meaning that the market is very limited. If we're going to trade him, the best time is within the next 4 weeks.

We never have been an offense that has featured a 'game changer' wide receiver. Percy Harvin was probably the closest that we've had under Pete had Harvin been able to remain healthy and kept his head out of his arse.

Not to mention if a competitive team trades for him to shore up their roster at the trade deadline, it's going to be a low pick if they have a good record. Some losing team isn't going to trade for a player they can make a run at in free agency. So the only teams likely to make a trade at the trade deadline are competitive teams looking to add a game changer which means we'll get a pick from some team that might win a Super Bowl.

[RiverDog]

That's a pretty big gamble. The optimum time for all trades is before the draft when teams have yet to pencil in their rosters. There's only a handful that occur within a few weeks before the trading deadline, meaning that the market is very limited. If we're going to trade him, the best time is within the next 4 weeks.

We never have been an offense that has featured a 'game changer' wide receiver. Percy Harvin was probably the closest that we've had under Pete had Harvin been able to remain healthy and kept his head out of his arse.

Not to mention if a competitive team trades for him to shore up their roster at the trade deadline, it's going to be a low pick if they have a good record. Some losing team isn't going to trade for a player they can make a run at in free agency. So the only teams likely to make a trade at the trade deadline are competitive teams looking to add a game changer which means we'll get a pick from some team that might win a Super Bowl.

Good point. You're also running the risk that Metcalf might get injured, which would completely negate any trade possibility.

The reason that we're seeing so many trades now is because teams are filling out their rosters and figuring out their budgets. Sure, there might be a team that might look at an opportunity to sign a player with 10 games or so left on his contract to try to get them over the hump. But it's a far cry from being able to deal with all 31 teams that are all going through a roster re-alignment, figuring out who they are going to re-sign, who to pursue in FA, what positions they will prioritize in the draft. Trade him now and you could get teams into a bidding war over him. That's not going to happen at the trading deadline.

Besides, if word gets out that we're not going to resign Metcalf, which is what will happen if we start calling GM's, why pay a king's ransom for an 8 or 10 game rental? A team looking to trade for Metcalf would have the clock on their side. Just take a look at the Browns and Odell Beckham. Don't you think that the Browns would have traded OBJ and gotten something for him rather than releasing him just after the trading deadline? Even with as many teams that were still in the hunt, there wasn't a huge market for him.

That's why no one intentionally waits for the trading deadline to unload a player. If Pete and John are going trade Metcalf, the best time to do it is now, before the draft.

[NorthHawk]

The next question is who might DK be traded to?
It would have to be a team that has some draft ammo and needs/wants to upgrade their WR position.
The Jets apparently were aggressively pursuing Tyreek Hill, KC lost Hill, the Jags could use a big target
for Lawrence, and the list goes on for many more teams, but those 3 should have a 1st round pick and
more to offer.

The Jags have #1 and 33 as well as 2 thirds, so how about this years 3rd round and
next years 1st round picks and swap positions in this years 2nd round - exchange 33 for 40.

KC has 2 picks in each of the first 4 rounds - picks 29, 30, 50, 62, 94, 103, 121, and 135 so they could give some up either this year or next.

Jets have picks 4, 10, 35, 38, 69, 111, 117 in the first 4 rounds. As said above they were after Hill, so maybe we can get their 1st and a 3rd this year?

Next years QB class is supposed to be better than this year, so getting a high pick next year might turn out to be more valuable than one this year.
Just some thoughts...

[RiverDog]

The next question is who might DK be traded to?
It would have to be a team that has some draft ammo and needs/wants to upgrade their WR position.
The Jets apparently were aggressively pursuing Tyreek Hill, KC lost Hill, the Jags could use a big target
for Lawrence, and the list goes on for many more teams, but those 3 should have a 1st round pick and
more to offer.

The Jags have #1 and 33 as well as 2 thirds, so how about this years 3rd round and
next years 1st round picks and swap positions in this years 2nd round - exchange 33 for 40.

KC has 2 picks in each of the first 4 rounds - picks 29, 30, 50, 62, 94, 103, 121, and 135 so they could give some up either this year or next.

Jets have picks 4, 10, 35, 38, 69, 111, 117 in the first 4 rounds. As said above they were after Hill, so maybe we can get their 1st and a 3rd this year?

Next years QB class is supposed to be better than this year, so getting a high pick next year might turn out to be more valuable than one this year.
Just some thoughts...

The Eagles have 3-#1's (#'s15, 16, and 19), 3-#5's, and 10 total picks in this year's draft. They made the playoffs last season and can legitimately think of themselves as contenders. The Cowboys just traded away Amari Cooper and have 9 total picks. The Giants have two top 10 picks. There's lots of teams with both a need and the capital to pursue a trade.

[NorthHawk]

It would seem that IF they decide to trade DK, there could be a chance for a bidding war.

[RiverDog]

Here's an analysis from Field Gulls of what we might be able to expect if we decided to trade Metcalf before the draft that included some proposed trades. The following was listed as 4 potential trades as poll questions:

Would you trade D.K. Metcalf to the Eagles for #15 (R1), #51 (R2), QB Gardner Minshew, WR Jalen Reagor, and a 4th-round pick in 2023? (69% Yes)

Would you trade DK Metcalf to the Saints for this year’s R1 (#18 overall) and next year’s R1? (59% Yes)

Would you trade D.K. Metcalf to the Commanders for the 11th overall pick in this year’s draft and a 2023 second-round pick? (46% Yes)

Would you trade DK Metcalf to the Jets for #35 (R2), #38 (R2), and their 2023 R2?(23% Yes)

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/3/26/22 ... ze-on-that

[NorthHawk]

That’s what fans want, but what would GMs give up?

I think the comp for Hill from the Jets would be OK but I would also include
a swap of first round picks, meaning we exchange 9 for 4 this year. That would
give us a much better chance at getting an impact player - like DK is. So long as
we draft well and we know how that’s gone lately.

[RiverDog]

That’s what fans want, but what would GMs give up?

I think the comp for Hill from the Jets would be OK but I would also include
a swap of first round picks, meaning we exchange 9 for 4 this year. That would
give us a much better chance at getting an impact player - like DK is. So long as
we draft well and we know how that’s gone lately.

Yeah, I wasn't insinuating that those proposals would be anything that a GM would offer. I thought it was an interesting discussion, what the expectations are.

And you have a point about our drafting well. Perhaps we should ask for 2025 draft picks to be used after Jodi finally runs out of excuses and fires Pete.