Russ or us ?

[Hawktawk]

Obi commented about how he felt Denver is the favorite in the AFC west following the Hill trade . Frankly I think it’s tougher than this division top to bottom , certainly with adding Russell and all the FA stars . I predict 9 wins for Denver . I’ve got us at 10 wins next year . I just have a weird optimism I’ve only had a few times in 45 years . Before 2005 season, before 2013 , and right now . Maybe it’s gas . I just feel there’s more to this team than we think and that some of the more recent drafts will pay off . So my bet is Seahawks plus one. Even having a less dynamic QB content with moving chains vs launching rocket balls could be addition by subtraction .

[Aseahawkfan]

I think we're a gutter team this year and I prefer it that way. I want some good draft picks to replenish talent. Not more crap middling seasons with middling draft picks that give people false hope when we're not real contenders. We're not real contenders right now. So any kind of 7-9 to 9-7 record is pretty worthless to us.

[c_hawkbob]

Denver may well double us in the win column.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm betting we do the standard 5 to 7 win season next year with a Pete team with no QB, that is if we manage to pick up some talent in the draft that starts performing well out of the gate.

I don't know anything about the Broncos. But given Russ kept us in the playoffs for about 4 or 5 years once the defense fell off, if Denver has an even halfway decent team and Russ stays healthy they're likely playoff bound at least. Russ carried us on his back the last 4 or 5 years into the playoffs. Some fans don't want to admit this, but he did. He took a team with an elite defense and won a Super Bowl and took them to a second one. Russ is a game changing QB who can carry a halfway decent team to the playoffs and win a Super Bowl with a good team. He makes everyone around him better. He can make any group of receivers appear better than they are. If he has good receivers, he can put up great numbers.

Seattle fans are about to find out the hard way the only reason they went to playoffs as much as they did the last decade was Russell Wilson. And now that he's gone, we'll be gutter diving with the other teams with average to below average QBs.

I'm ok with that if Pete and John can build another monster that just needs a good QB to go to the next level. Either they'll successfully rebuild or Pete and John will be gone soon.

[NorthHawk]

It’ll be fun watching the AFC West battle if out this year. The teams have stocked up on
pass rushers and WRs and have the best group of QBs of any division in the NFL.

[Aseahawkfan]

It’ll be fun watching the AFC West battle if out this year. The teams have stocked up on
pass rushers and WRs and have the best group of QBs of any division in the NFL.

I keep hearing that. But Russ squared off his whole career against great pass rushers like Aaron Donald, Bosa, and Calais Campbell. Russ has dealt with great pass rushers and defenses in the NFC West since he was drafted.

The real issue with Denver is Russ hasn't dealt with many other great QBs in his division. None as good as Patrick Mahomes. With Justin Herbert coming up, he's got plenty of competition.

In the NFC West Russell was clearly the best QB. In the AFC West, Russ is starting out at number 2 behind Mahomes and may fall behind Herbert if that kid keeps performing.

I'm not real worried about Russ going against elite pass rushers as he's always done that. I'm more of the mind that he's never had to compete against teams with elite QBs. So we'll see how good Denver's defense is when they have to stop Mahomes or Herbert and if Russ can step up enough to put up more points than Mahomes or Herbert.

[obiken]

Obi commented about how he felt Denver is the favorite in the AFC west following the Hill trade . Frankly I think it’s tougher than this division top to bottom , certainly with adding Russell and all the FA stars . I predict 9 wins for Denver . I’ve got us at 10 wins next year . I just have a weird optimism I’ve only had a few times in 45 years . Before 2005 season, before 2013 , and right now . Maybe it’s gas . I just feel there’s more to this team than we think and that some of the more recent drafts will pay off . So my bet is Seahawks plus one. Even having a less dynamic QB content with moving chains vs launching rocket balls could be addition by subtraction .

10 wins? HT, IF I didnt respect you so much I would say: ARE YOU OUTTA YOUR MIND? However, I gotta ask how, with our good looks? We have no QB, Locke is done, finished, period, just fact not opinion. They started Teddy Bridgewater over this guy, they threw in Drew just to show they were through. We have no line on offense or defense, and obtw, we just lost a proverbial tackling machine at MLB. I am predicting 5 wins, and that is being optimistic. Man do I EVER hope you are right.

[Hawktawk]

Obi commented about how he felt Denver is the favorite in the AFC west following the Hill trade . Frankly I think it’s tougher than this division top to bottom , certainly with adding Russell and all the FA stars . I predict 9 wins for Denver . I’ve got us at 10 wins next year . I just have a weird optimism I’ve only had a few times in 45 years . Before 2005 season, before 2013 , and right now . Maybe it’s gas . I just feel there’s more to this team than we think and that some of the more recent drafts will pay off . So my bet is Seahawks plus one. Even having a less dynamic QB content with moving chains vs launching rocket balls could be addition by subtraction .

10 wins? HT, IF I didnt respect you so much I would say: ARE YOU OUTTA YOUR MIND? However, I gotta ask how, with our good looks? We have no QB, Locke is done, finished, period, just fact not opinion. They started Teddy Bridgewater over this guy, they threw in Drew just to show they were through. We have no line on offense or defense, and obtw, we just lost a proverbial tackling machine at MLB. I am predicting 5 wins, and that is being optimistic. Man do I EVER hope you are right.

Buddy we had the worst 3rd down completion % in the league almost all of last season . We had 3 games with 4 three and out drives in a row and followed it up with a4 and out in one of those games . We have one wild card game win and 2 non playoff years in the last 5. The QB was halfway through the richest deal in history and disgruntled , checking out, demanding to be traded . Wags couldn’t cover with a blanket anymore , slower , less physical , eating 20 million . I feel a lot worse about him than Russ but neither were helping anymore .

I watched a straight up journeymen backup run the offense very smoothly for most of 3 games , complete 80% with a near perfect passer rating his last start . then Russ came back and lost 3 averaging 9 points per game . We were 0-5 in games decided by 3 or less . With a 35 million qb we lost to Kirk Cousins , Ryan Tannehill , Taylor Heinike , Colt McCoy for the second time in 2 years , and Nick Foles . I watched every game twice at least . Russ was a huge part of the reason for every loss . He’s been hit too much and it shows . Can he turn it around in Denver ? Very few ever turn that around . Kurt Warner comes to mind . Not many regain their nerve . I think we swindled Denver with a guy who the better part is used up but all the outsized celebrity personality is bigger that than ever . I think either Locke or Geno is capable of replicating last years record at an absolute minimum . Diggs is the latest player to say this isn’t a rebuild . When I see DK moved or something like that maybe I say rebuild but watching the Russ less Hawks last year we can win some games if the QB is disciplined .
Hawks 10 wins . Denver 9

[NorthHawk]

I think it's more than a little premature predicting wins/losses at this point.
We play the AFC West and it looks like the toughest division in the NFL as well our own division isn't a walkover, either.
But who knows what players we are going to end up with when the season starts? We haven't addressed some critical
areas like OT, yet and it's a big difference getting two solid Tackles and starting unproven young talent on both sides.
As well we need an Edge rusher, more DB's and another LB at this time.

[Hawktawk]

I think we have some young guys on D that are gonna show up big time Taylor on the line , brown the corner , diggs is back . I think you might br surprised how good a D looks with balance and simply changing field position . I’m banking on Penney staying motivated and healthy . Maybe that’s fools gold but the last few weeks when he got rolling it’s the best our offense had looked in years . If they Trade DK maybe not . Geno threw him 4 TDs in 3 starts . That guy makes anyone look good .
I’ll pull the thread up right or wrong if I’m still kicking in a year

[Aseahawkfan]

Buddy we had the worst 3rd down completion % in the league almost all of last season . We had 3 games with 4 three and out drives in a row and followed it up with a4 and out in one of those games . We have one wild card game win and 2 non playoff years in the last 5. The QB was halfway through the richest deal in history and disgruntled , checking out, demanding to be traded . Wags couldn’t cover with a blanket anymore , slower , less physical , eating 20 million . I feel a lot worse about him than Russ but neither were helping anymore .

I watched a straight up journeymen backup run the offense very smoothly for most of 3 games , complete 80% with a near perfect passer rating his last start . then Russ came back and lost 3 averaging 9 points per game . We were 0-5 in games decided by 3 or less . With a 35 million qb we lost to Kirk Cousins , Ryan Tannehill , Taylor Heinike , Colt McCoy for the second time in 2 years , and Nick Foles . I watched every game twice at least . Russ was a huge part of the reason for every loss . He’s been hit too much and it shows . Can he turn it around in Denver ? Very few ever turn that around . Kurt Warner comes to mind . Not many regain their nerve . I think we swindled Denver with a guy who the better part is used up but all the outsized celebrity personality is bigger that than ever . I think either Locke or Geno is capable of replicating last years record at an absolute minimum . Diggs is the latest player to say this isn’t a rebuild . When I see DK moved or something like that maybe I say rebuild but watching the Russ less Hawks last year we can win some games if the QB is disciplined .
Hawks 10 wins . Denver 9

We're a 5 to 7 win team next year barring some extraordinary pick up of talent.

I don't know enough about Denver to say what their record will be. And I prefer they lose.

Pull up the thread as if I knew you personally, I'd bet a $100 easy against you on the Seahawks winning 10 games. This team is not better than it is. You keep talking like Geno outperformed Russ and he did not and will not over a season. You want to take shots at Russ during a down year like some low character jackass, have at it. No one can stop you. But you're a straight up liar as we would not even have gotten to the Super Bowl if not for Russell Wilson. You don't want to acknowledge that, then you have no credibility whatsoever.

[TriCitySam]

I agree that RW does well in '22. BUT, my bet is that when we look back at it 2 or 3 years from now, it worked out well for us.

[Hawktawk]

Buddy we had the worst 3rd down completion % in the league almost all of last season . We had 3 games with 4 three and out drives in a row and followed it up with a4 and out in one of those games . We have one wild card game win and 2 non playoff years in the last 5. The QB was halfway through the richest deal in history and disgruntled , checking out, demanding to be traded . Wags couldn’t cover with a blanket anymore , slower , less physical , eating 20 million . I feel a lot worse about him than Russ but neither were helping anymore .

I watched a straight up journeymen backup run the offense very smoothly for most of 3 games , complete 80% with a near perfect passer rating his last start . then Russ came back and lost 3 averaging 9 points per game . We were 0-5 in games decided by 3 or less . With a 35 million qb we lost to Kirk Cousins , Ryan Tannehill , Taylor Heinike , Colt McCoy for the second time in 2 years , and Nick Foles . I watched every game twice at least . Russ was a huge part of the reason for every loss . He’s been hit too much and it shows . Can he turn it around in Denver ? Very few ever turn that around . Kurt Warner comes to mind . Not many regain their nerve . I think we swindled Denver with a guy who the better part is used up but all the outsized celebrity personality is bigger that than ever . I think either Locke or Geno is capable of replicating last years record at an absolute minimum . Diggs is the latest player to say this isn’t a rebuild . When I see DK moved or something like that maybe I say rebuild but watching the Russ less Hawks last year we can win some games if the QB is disciplined .
Hawks 10 wins . Denver 9

We're a 5 to 7 win team next year barring some extraordinary pick up of talent.

I don't know enough about Denver to say what their record will be. And I prefer they lose.

Pull up the thread as if I knew you personally, I'd bet a $100 easy against you on the Seahawks winning 10 games. This team is not better than it is. You keep talking like Geno outperformed Russ and he did not and will not over a season. You want to take shots at Russ during a down year like some low character jackass, have at it. No one can stop you. But you're a straight up liar as we would not even have gotten to the Super Bowl if not for Russell Wilson. You don't want to acknowledge that, then you have no credibility whatsoever.

Russ in his prime was worth 3-4 games a year unquestionably . He made many great plays in those 2.Super Bowl years to help the team reach them . In 2013 it took a definite team effort to get to and win it . And I’ve said it before , Russ played as perfect a game of Pete ball in that game as I’ve ever seen . Flawless . It’s overlooked in the LOB praise but we didn’t punt till late in the 3rd quarter . It’s the best defense ever not giving them the ball . A case could have been made for Russ as MVP. I said it 8 years ago right on this forum. The second super bowl happened because of our defense and special teams each making multiple huge plays to offset 4 picks by Russ. He was awesome in the end but was only in the position due to others . He had played better in the second half of 49 than 48 and was a certain MVP until……bad call, worse decision to release the ball at all and even worse throw . I think it was you that said that’s when it started going sideways for Seattle and in hindsight I agree .the Hawks were never the sum of their parts again even in the 2 years they were mostly intact . After beast went sideways Russ took over for a few years but the attitude , the commercialization . The focus more in celebrity , comments about getting hit , needing more talent , film that doesn’t match the stats anymore as evidenced by the record , the statistics .
I’m an analyst and a fan of the Jersey . Russ is one of the best ever to wear it. A certain HOF guy IMO. But he’s the type of guy I could see playing there 4 or 5 years abd winning 2 playoff games and going in as a donkey now that I really see how he is . I don’t care . He helped us win a Lombardi . Last year and a half he lost to all those stiffs and was outplayed twice by Colt McCoy . He was definitely outplayed by Geno if you compare 3-3, points . Passer rating , yards etc . Tell me where I’m
Wrong and why it makes me a low class individual to talk stats ? It doesn’t matter . He’s gone . Wanted to be gone .We won’t be worse than last years 7-10 and we have officially turned the page .
Listened to John Schneider on Wyman and Bob. He sounded positively excited . It’s how I feel .. check me in a few months

[c_hawkbob]

Name one time ever that John or Pete didn't sound exited and positive.

[Hawktawk]

Name one time ever that John or Pete didn't sound exited and positive.

Great point although PC walked out of a Press conference I believe following the bears game. Most down Ive seen him. Schneider sounds like a cocky self sure guy. One of the first times I've actually heard him speak on radio.

Look Bob I know how much everyone loved Russ. I did too . Ill always love his great contributions here.But I dont like the guy he became a few years ago and seemed to be more and more. If ya love the guy unconditionally you might not even notice. Go Hawks began to be replaced with dismissive talk after a loss in the postseason,bragging about almost coming back from a 31-0 deficit vs Carolina rather than addressing his pick 6. Then starting with Atlanta didn't even mention how poorly he had played but brought up a stadium deal he was involved with, chanted some slogan. Then basically dissing his teammates publicly asking for better players every postseason exit when the last 5 playoff losses the team hasn't held a second half lead in any and in 3 of them they never had a lead. Some say it makes Russel's point. I get it. But how do you win 10-12 games and suddenly that same offense cant score with a franchise QB?.The truths in the middle IMO .

Here's where I get my viewpoint about pro athletes bemoaning their hardship from. I'm a 62.5 year old guy racked with arthritis and I worked 60 plus hours this week. 16 were Monday, 6:30 AM till 10:30 PM. 100% physical grueling labor. I've worked like that most of my adult life. I'm tough, play with pain and injury. I've worked for bad owners almost every stop, bad co workers and employees. I don't complain. My attitude doesn't affect my work ethic at all.Russ makes as much per game as I made in 3 decades.

You say I am full of Haterade. I walk my talk. I've been a fan for 45 years. When I hear players say he "checked out" for 35 million it sits very poorly with me.Popping off publicly about things that need to be private Frankly I think people on the forum would like talking to me a lot better in person that online. I know I can be harsh but I'm a true believer. I've paid my dues .Somehow its become heresy to speak ill of a guy that deserted the team and Fans?Went from GO Hawks to Lets Ride I think it was a toxic relationship and everyone including Russ is relieved but I just have a sense that it might benefit Seattle more than people think to get that weight off.And Locke might be a lot better that people expect. Schneider seemed very happy to have him said he has a "hose" of an arm.

It might benefit Russ more than I expect too. we shall see.

[NorthHawk]

Russ hasn't changed all that much.
He always talked about his legacy and as people get older, we all think about what we've accomplished and what has been left on the table.
He's no different, and could see we aren't going anywhere with or without him, so why not go to a team with a progressive Offense and
try to make a run at being the QB he thinks he should be.
I don't blame him for that. The opportunity for being the best you can be at your craft doesn't come along all the time.

[Hawktawk]

Russ hasn't changed all that much.
He always talked about his legacy and as people get older, we all think about what we've accomplished and what has been left on the table.
He's no different, and could see we aren't going anywhere with or without him, so why not go to a team with a progressive Offense and
try to make a run at being the QB he thinks he should be.
I don't blame him for that. The opportunity for being the best you can be at your craft doesn't come along all the time.

I think he changed quite a bit ain 10 years nd it sped way up after he met voodoo queen He went from a team first guy , fresh faced, honest aw shucks guy to a calculated slick celebrity and he wasn't about the team nearly as much. No I in team. As for the offense I really don't understand what he wanted. He threw for 40 TDs and over 4K yards a year ago. besides maybe Pete's right about what makes Russ most effective. I heard Tyler Polumbus on Mike Salk talking about the trade and the 2 QB s involved,`he played both places and is a sports talk show host in Denver now. He said he doesn't believe Locke is ready to be a star in the league yet but the physical tools are off the charts. He pointed out Drew has never had as experienced and positive minded coach as Carroll so who knows. He said Locke looked very good at the end of his rookie year then regime changed and he never recovered. He said Locke is best under center with a good run game going play action. making one read and sticking it.He said he will make some big plays but too many picks in Denver,

But he also said lots of people in Denver think they gave up on him too soon and arent happy. Most are but Tyler said "I hope Russ doesn't try to influence them to be 5 wide" He said with a strong run game Russ is top 5 or better but without it hes maybe top 10.
I dont think it was a coincidence when Penney got loose Russ was as consistent as in a long time.
We will see.

[NorthHawk]

I don’t think he wasn’t team first ever in his career.
Greg Olsen told a story about when he first signed and he had his first phone call from Russ
and Wilson had a white board in the room and he immediately went deep into the playbook
about different options and such. He said it lasted about 45 minutes but more importantly
he said Russ never changed. That doesn’t sound like a guy who’s lost any team first mentality.

[Aseahawkfan]

I agree that RW does well in '22. BUT, my bet is that when we look back at it 2 or 3 years from now, it worked out well for us.

I'm mixed on that. I haven't seen a coach do it twice with the same team. But hey, we got no choice at this point.

[Aseahawkfan]

Russ in his prime was worth 3-4 games a year unquestionably . He made many great plays in those 2.Super Bowl years to help the team reach them . In 2013 it took a definite team effort to get to and win it . And I’ve said it before , Russ played as perfect a game of Pete ball in that game as I’ve ever seen . Flawless . It’s overlooked in the LOB praise but we didn’t punt till late in the 3rd quarter . It’s the best defense ever not giving them the ball . A case could have been made for Russ as MVP. I said it 8 years ago right on this forum. The second super bowl happened because of our defense and special teams each making multiple huge plays to offset 4 picks by Russ. He was awesome in the end but was only in the position due to others . He had played better in the second half of 49 than 48 and was a certain MVP until……bad call, worse decision to release the ball at all and even worse throw . I think it was you that said that’s when it started going sideways for Seattle and in hindsight I agree .the Hawks were never the sum of their parts again even in the 2 years they were mostly intact . After beast went sideways Russ took over for a few years but the attitude , the commercialization . The focus more in celebrity , comments about getting hit , needing more talent , film that doesn’t match the stats anymore as evidenced by the record , the statistics .
I’m an analyst and a fan of the Jersey . Russ is one of the best ever to wear it. A certain HOF guy IMO. But he’s the type of guy I could see playing there 4 or 5 years abd winning 2 playoff games and going in as a donkey now that I really see how he is . I don’t care . He helped us win a Lombardi . Last year and a half he lost to all those stiffs and was outplayed twice by Colt McCoy . He was definitely outplayed by Geno if you compare 3-3, points . Passer rating , yards etc . Tell me where I’m
Wrong and why it makes me a low class individual to talk stats ? It doesn’t matter . He’s gone . Wanted to be gone .We won’t be worse than last years 7-10 and we have officially turned the page .
Listened to John Schneider on Wyman and Bob. He sounded positively excited . It’s how I feel .. check me in a few months

You're breeding falsehoods. It's tiresome.

This team wouldn't have gone to the Super Bowl or won one without Russell Wilson. You trying to pretend that isn't true after he's gone is just horsecrap.

Russ carried this team for the last 4 or 5 years. He was the game changing reason we finally got over the hump and won a Super Bowl. Now you're trying to rewrite history and other such trash to pretend that he's just worth 3 or 4 games. He's the difference between being competitive every year and not seeing the playoffs. That's how important he was to this team. QBs like Russ don't grow on trees. Which is why Seattle with Russ was viewed as an annual contender. Seattle without Russ is a gutter team competing for draft picks yearly.

[Aseahawkfan]

I think he changed quite a bit ain 10 years nd it sped way up after he met voodoo queen He went from a team first guy , fresh faced, honest aw shucks guy to a calculated slick celebrity and he wasn't about the team nearly as much. No I in team. As for the offense I really don't understand what he wanted. He threw for 40 TDs and over 4K yards a year ago. besides maybe Pete's right about what makes Russ most effective. I heard Tyler Polumbus on Mike Salk talking about the trade and the 2 QB s involved,`he played both places and is a sports talk show host in Denver now. He said he doesn't believe Locke is ready to be a star in the league yet but the physical tools are off the charts. He pointed out Drew has never had as experienced and positive minded coach as Carroll so who knows. He said Locke looked very good at the end of his rookie year then regime changed and he never recovered. He said Locke is best under center with a good run game going play action. making one read and sticking it.He said he will make some big plays but too many picks in Denver,

But he also said lots of people in Denver think they gave up on him too soon and arent happy. Most are but Tyler said "I hope Russ doesn't try to influence them to be 5 wide" He said with a strong run game Russ is top 5 or better but without it hes maybe top 10.
I dont think it was a coincidence when Penney got loose Russ was as consistent as in a long time.
We will see.

And here the guy who doesn't want to admit that Pete and John have changed. I use them interchangeably even though most likely it's Pete driving most of this.

Pete is the one who got Shiny Toy syndrome and started trading away draft picks for expensive players who didn't do much in Seattle because he was looking for Shiny Toys to add to this Ferrari forgetting that the built the Ferrari by drafting and making low cost, high value trades like they did for Marshawn Lynch and Chris Clemons. Or signing lost cost high value free agents like Michael Bennett and Cliff Avril.

It's Pete who started putting his Shiny Toys above the guys who got him there. He would rather trade for and pay Percy Harvin or Jimmy Graham than take care of Kam Chancellor or Earl Thomas. That never sat well with our guys. That is why so many former Seattle greats left on bad terms after watching Carroll crap on them while trading for other guys he thought would do better that didn't.

Yet here you are making excuses for Carroll and his crap team management since he won the Super Bowl blaming Russ and everyone else except the guy who let the roster fall apart and treated his players who got him there like throwaway trash even to the point Bobby Wagner found out in social media he was cut from the team. Yet you're fine with the head coach treating the players that way. Somehow it's players fault they're angry and not the head coach and VP of football operations doing whatever he wants with too much power creating a situation where his best guys no longer want to be there. So he has to clean house so he can start with new guys that aren't so tired of his hypocrisy.

[RiverDog]

Listened to John Schneider on Wyman and Bob. He sounded positively excited . It’s how I feel .. check me in a few months

Is that all it takes to get you excited? Don't you understand that there's currently 31 other NFL GM's that are 'positively excited'?

[Hawktawk]

Listened to John Schneider on Wyman and Bob. He sounded positively excited . It’s how I feel .. check me in a few months

Is that all it takes to get you excited? Don't you understand that there's currently 31 other NFL GM's that are 'positively excited'?

I feel good : I said I feel how JS feels . Not because of his enthusiasm by because of my own sense : I might be completely wrong but unlike many if not most I will own it and eat the crow : there’s been a weight over Seattle and I suppose Russ that’s been lifted . Let’s see

[Hawktawk]

Russ in his prime was worth 3-4 games a year unquestionably . He made many great plays in those 2.Super Bowl years to help the team reach them . In 2013 it took a definite team effort to get to and win it . And I’ve said it before , Russ played as perfect a game of Pete ball in that game as I’ve ever seen . Flawless . It’s overlooked in the LOB praise but we didn’t punt till late in the 3rd quarter . It’s the best defense ever not giving them the ball . A case could have been made for Russ as MVP. I said it 8 years ago right on this forum. The second super bowl happened because of our defense and special teams each making multiple huge plays to offset 4 picks by Russ. He was awesome in the end but was only in the position due to others . He had played better in the second half of 49 than 48 and was a certain MVP until……bad call, worse decision to release the ball at all and even worse throw . I think it was you that said that’s when it started going sideways for Seattle and in hindsight I agree .the Hawks were never the sum of their parts again even in the 2 years they were mostly intact . After beast went sideways Russ took over for a few years but the attitude , the commercialization . The focus more in celebrity , comments about getting hit , needing more talent , film that doesn’t match the stats anymore as evidenced by the record , the statistics .
I’m an analyst and a fan of the Jersey . Russ is one of the best ever to wear it. A certain HOF guy IMO. But he’s the type of guy I could see playing there 4 or 5 years abd winning 2 playoff games and going in as a donkey now that I really see how he is . I don’t care . He helped us win a Lombardi . Last year and a half he lost to all those stiffs and was outplayed twice by Colt McCoy . He was definitely outplayed by Geno if you compare 3-3, points . Passer rating , yards etc . Tell me where I’m
Wrong and why it makes me a low class individual to talk stats ? It doesn’t matter . He’s gone . Wanted to be gone .We won’t be worse than last years 7-10 and we have officially turned the page .
Listened to John Schneider on Wyman and Bob. He sounded positively excited . It’s how I feel .. check me in a few months

You're breeding falsehoods. It's tiresome.

This team wouldn't have gone to the Super Bowl or won one without Russell Wilson. You trying to pretend that isn't true after he's gone is just horsecrap.

Russ carried this team for the last 4 or 5 years. He was the game changing reason we finally got over the hump and won a Super Bowl. Now you're trying to rewrite history and other such trash to pretend that he's just worth 3 or 4 games. He's the difference between being competitive every year and not seeing the playoffs. That's how important he was to this team. QBs like Russ don't grow on trees. Which is why Seattle with Russ was viewed as an annual contender. Seattle without Russ is a gutter team competing for draft picks yearly.

The first one the team scuffled in the playoffs vs the Saints and especially the 9 Ers . Russ started by being stripped by Aldon smith on our 20 but the LOB held them to 3. Russ was brilliant much of the game especially the hard count on 4th and 7 fir the TD to Kearse. But in the end it was Richard Shermans greatness coupled with Malcolm Smiths situational awareness that saved the game. In 2014 they got to the Super Bowl in spite of him.

[RiverDog]

The first one the team scuffled in the playoffs vs the Saints and especially the 9 Ers . Russ started by being stripped by Aldon smith on our 20 but the LOB held them to 3. Russ was brilliant much of the game especially the hard count on 4th and 7 fir the TD to Kearse. But in the end it was Richard Shermans greatness coupled with Malcolm Smiths situational awareness that saved the game. In 2014 they got to the Super Bowl in spite of him.

If I recall, the Saints playoff game was played under some very adverse weather conditions, high winds, that was a limiting factor on both team's offenses. We led the game 16-0 going into the 4th quarter. Those are the types of games where the QB's job isn't to win it, rather not to lose it.

Besides, getting to the playoffs involves more than a good performance in just one or two playoff games. Russell had a solid season that year and did everything he was asked to. He was the perfect quarterback for that team. Another QB, Aaron Rodgers, for example, may not have been able to resist the urge to win games on his own rather than let the defense win the game for him the way Russell was able to do.

We had a lot of stars on that 2013 squad, including Russell, Beast, the LOB, Bennett, Avril, et al. We had a very serviceable offensive line, including Pro Bowlers at TE, OT, and C. It would be difficult to pick a team MVP off that squad, but Russell obviously would be one of the choices.

It's the epitome of revisionist history to suggest that we got to the SB 'in spite of' Russell, and I'm not sure why you've suddenly changed your POV regarding his career performance. You can't on the one hand say that he's a first round HOF'er as you have in the past, then on the other hand, say that his one Lombardi was earned in spite of his efforts.

[Hawktawk]

I understand the team concept river . You have to have good players , good health and good luck . But when people say Russ was the one who got us to super bowls as opposed to people like Avril Bennett and the LOB and beast being necessary also ? He won a ton of games for us in 2013 with a decimated line , was good enough vs the Saints , we won the NFC title game due to Richard Sherman . The offense had not been able to put the game away . That super bowl was a flawless performance by Russ and he along with Harvin don’t get enough credit , he more that Harvin. In 14 he threw 20 TD passes in the regular season , played great vs Carolina and terrible vs the Pack hence my comments about the team making 49 in spite of him . You shared the SI article about how pissed some of the team was watching him getting accolades on the podium after the luckiest win playing terrible ever . And of course in that Super Bowl he played 20 minutes of great ball from just before the half till start of 4th and in the end he had the offense running through him and lost the game . Bad play call , bad decision to throw it at all and terrible off target throw or it still doesn’t get picked . And the team never recovered. Russ was never the same .

I think Russ is HOF. It’s a gamble he took on first ballot going to Denver . It depends how this goes .

[RiverDog]

I understand the team concept river . You have to have good players , good health and good luck . But when people say Russ was the one who got us to super bowls as opposed to people like Avril Bennett and the LOB and beast being necessary also ? He won a ton of games for us in 2013 with a decimated line , was good enough vs the Saints , we won the NFC title game due to Richard Sherman . The offense had not been able to put the game away . That super bowl was a flawless performance by Russ and he along with Harvin don’t get enough credit , he more that Harvin. In 14 he threw 20 TD passes in the regular season , played great vs Carolina and terrible vs the Pack hence my comments about the team making 49 in spite of him . You shared the SI article about how pissed some of the team was watching him getting accolades on the podium after the luckiest win playing terrible ever . And of course in that Super Bowl he played 20 minutes of great ball from just before the half till start of 4th and in the end he had the offense running through him and lost the game . Bad play call , bad decision to throw it at all and terrible off target throw or it still doesn’t get picked . And the team never recovered. Russ was never the same .

I think Russ is HOF. It’s a gamble he took on first ballot going to Denver . It depends how this goes .

If you said that we won the NFCCG game vs. the Packers 'in spite of Russell', then I could handle it. But that's not what you said. You said that we made the Super Bowl "in spite of him", which is a whole different meaning as it suggests that he didn't play well during the season. But it sounds like you meant the former and not the latter.

As far as the link about Russ taking credit for the Packers OT win, it wasn't me. I did reference an article that mentioned how the defense was not happy with the special treatment Pete was giving Russell during team meetings, not calling him out when he made bad decisions, etc, so it wouldn't surprise me if some players were upset about Russell 'taking credit' for that win, but I don't recall it.

But what's grating on me and I think some of the others is your "Butt hurt $35M man "F-him" type comments you've been making about Russell lately. He's been one of the best players in our franchise history and you're going to get some significant blow back when you use that kind of language directed at him.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm super unhappy Pete and John traded away our franchise QB. I don't think it happens if Paul Allen is still alive. I think Pete and John don't deserve a pass any longer for their moves. They traded away our franchise QB. Now no more excuses for failure. They have put us in a situation where trading Russ was supposedly their best option. Now the 70 year old head coach wants to do a rebuild or reset or re-whatever anyone wants to call it. I'm a fan with no control over the team, so I'm going to go for it as I don't spend my time worrying about things I can't control. I'm disappointed Russ is gone, but clearly the love between Pete, Russ, and John is gone.

Pete and John got rid of Wagner. The last remnant of our once elite defense.

Pete has turned over d-coordinators and o-coordinators and other coaches to send a signal to the fans he's trying to get better.

I've been at the point where I believe it is clearly Pete and John who are failing at their jobs at this point, not the players or coordinators. I hope the excuses from the fan base are finally done. Pete and John or John and Pete run this team. They draft, sign, or trade for the personnel. Pete develops the talent on the field. He makes the decisions as head coach.

No more excuses. Pete and John need to put up or get out and let someone else try. I'm tired of the stupid trades. I'm tired of surprise draft picks that fit their criteria failing or worse. They need to get it done or next man up as the saying goes.

[NorthHawk]

Yah, after something like 36 years we finally got a true Franchise QB and an old
coach who couldn’t or wouldn’t change with the times and ended up frustrating the QB
enough to cause him to want out. He may have a decade of excellent QB’ing left but we
won’t enjoy it because of the style the old man wants to play.
It’s a shame for us fans that it got to this but it’s where we are.

[RiverDog]

Yah, after something like 36 years we finally got a true Franchise QB and an old
coach who couldn’t or wouldn’t change with the times and ended up frustrating the QB
enough to cause him to want out. He may have a decade of excellent QB’ing left but we
won’t enjoy it because of the style the old man wants to play.
It’s a shame for us fans that it got to this but it’s where we are.

I'm pretty much in that camp, too. If either Pete or Russell had to go, I would have preferred it to have been Pete. He's most likely done in a year or two anyway.