Mayfield

[RiverDog]

The difference between Mayfield and Mariota is that you aren't paying Mariota 19 mil this year and giving up a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year. You can even possibly get Mariota for 2 years on a deal less than Tribusky got from the Steelers.

I agree with you about Mayfield vs. Mariota. My confidence level in Mariota is much higher than it is in Mayfield, so even if we weren't going to have to give up valuable draft capital for Mayfield, I still wouldn't take him over Mariota or other QB's we've discussed, ie Taylor, Minshew, etc.

[Hawktawk]

In 2020 Mayfield was 26 TDs , 8 picks 3500 yards leading the Browns to the divisional round . In that postseason he was 467 yards with 4 TDs and a pick . Playoff qbr 94.0. Those are exactly Russ #s his first few years . Including both SBs. Matter of fact in 2014 Russ only threw 20 TDs . Not sure why Mayfield had the one excellent season but it was most recent when healthy .I’d love to see the playoff stats for Mariota or Minshew . Mariota to me seems soft , gutless , afraid .

I like Minshew the best but once again there’s more substance to Mayfield than he gets credit for in Cleveland or here . PC has made it clear he’s ready to roll with whoever is here.

[mykc14]

In 2020 Minshew was 26 TDs , 8 picks 3500 yards leading the Browns to the divisional round . In that postseason he was 467 yards with 4 TDs and a pick . Playoff qbr 94.0. Those are exactly Russ #s his first few years . Including both SBs. Matter of fact in 2014 Russ only threw 20 TDs . Not sure why Mayfield had the one excellent season but it was most recent when healthy .I’d love to see the playoff stats for Mariota or Minshew . Mariota to me seems soft , gutless , afraid .

I like Minshew the best but once again there’s more substance to Mayfield than he gets credit for in Cleveland or here . PC has made it clear he’s ready to roll with whoever is here.

I actually don't mind the idea of Mayfield, it's his price this year and the compensation it will take to get him that I have a problem with. If he were a FA this year, like Mariota I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him.

[RiverDog]

In 2020 Minshew was 26 TDs , 8 picks 3500 yards leading the Browns to the divisional round . In that postseason he was 467 yards with 4 TDs and a pick . Playoff qbr 94.0. Those are exactly Russ #s his first few years . Including both SBs. Matter of fact in 2014 Russ only threw 20 TDs . Not sure why Mayfield had the one excellent season but it was most recent when healthy .I’d love to see the playoff stats for Mariota or Minshew . Mariota to me seems soft , gutless , afraid .

I like Minshew the best but once again there’s more substance to Mayfield than he gets credit for in Cleveland or here . PC has made it clear he’s ready to roll with whoever is here.

I think you're getting your M's mixed up. Minshew never played for the Browns.

I'm not buying the injury excuse for Mayfield. It was his non throwing shoulder that he injured in Week 2 while trying to make a tackle after an interception, they did an MRI on it that revealed no structural damage, and Mayfield himself described it as just a little bit sore. It was a torn labrum, something I've had myself. The symptoms can be very mild, hardly noticeable at all. It wasn't for another 2.5 months, Week 14 and with him playing poorly, when they finally shut him down.

If the Browns coaches read him anywhere close to the way you're reading him, do you think that they would have gone out and rolled the dice as they have with Watson, trading 3-#1's and signing him to a fully guaranteed 5 year contract worth $230M?

[RiverDog]

In 2020 Minshew was 26 TDs , 8 picks 3500 yards leading the Browns to the divisional round . In that postseason he was 467 yards with 4 TDs and a pick . Playoff qbr 94.0. Those are exactly Russ #s his first few years . Including both SBs. Matter of fact in 2014 Russ only threw 20 TDs . Not sure why Mayfield had the one excellent season but it was most recent when healthy .I’d love to see the playoff stats for Mariota or Minshew . Mariota to me seems soft , gutless , afraid .

I like Minshew the best but once again there’s more substance to Mayfield than he gets credit for in Cleveland or here . PC has made it clear he’s ready to roll with whoever is here.

I actually don't mind the idea of Mayfield, it's his price this year and the compensation it will take to get him that I have a problem with. If he were a FA this year, like Mariota I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him.

Statistically Mariota and Mayfield are pretty close. The difference is that Mariota doesn't have the baggage that Mayfield does. The rumors about Mayfield losing the team and the Browns so desperate to get rid of him that they'd literally sell the entire franchise to get Watson?

[Hawktawk]

I'm not buying the injury excuse for Mayfield. It was his non throwing shoulder that he injured in Week 2 while trying to make a tackle after an interception, they did an MRI on it that revealed no structural damage, and Mayfield himself described it as just a little bit sore. It was a torn labrum, something I've had myself. The symptoms can be very mild, hardly noticeable at all. It wasn't for another 2.5 months, Week 14 and with him playing poorly, when they finally shut him down.

If the Browns coaches read him anywhere close to the way you're reading him, do you think that they would have gone out and rolled the dice as they have with Watson, trading 3-#1's and signing him to a fully guaranteed 5 year contract worth $230M?

I've heard some long time Browns fans are revolting over bringing in a molester. I think it was delusional for the Browns to do it.Foolish. It does show the relative decline in RWs value though. Also why Seattle couldn't land Watson if they tried. They didn't have the capital.

Its silly to compare your torn labrum to Mayfield. I saw the play his arm was bent at an impossible angle. I could not believe he played a down . As for throwing an NFL quality pass its a move of the entire torso including both arms. You have no Idea how Mayfield felt getting hits, handling shotgun snaps. And you keep ignoring the ankle injury too.

I had a bad shoulder I couldn't raise my arm above shoulder height, golf, hang a picture. Some days i couldn't drink a beer. Of course Mayfield downplayed it. hes real life tough. Never hear about getting hit too much or needing better teammates out of him. I like that.

[RiverDog]

If the Browns coaches read him anywhere close to the way you're reading him, do you think that they would have gone out and rolled the dice as they have with Watson, trading 3-#1's and signing him to a fully guaranteed 5 year contract worth $230M?

I've heard some long time Browns fans are revolting over bringing in a molester. I think it was delusional for the Browns to do it.Foolish. It does show the relative decline in RWs value though. Also why Seattle couldn't land Watson if they tried. They didn't have the capital.

Its silly to compare your torn labrum to Mayfield. I saw the play his arm was bent at an impossible angle. I could not believe he played a down . As for throwing an NFL quality pass its a move of the entire torso including both arms. You have no Idea how Mayfield felt getting hits, handling shotgun snaps. And you keep ignoring the ankle injury too.

I had a bad shoulder I couldn't raise my arm above shoulder height, golf, hang a picture. Some days i couldn't drink a beer. Of course Mayfield downplayed it. hes real life tough. Never hear about getting hit too much or needing better teammates out of him. I like that.

I wasn't comparing my shoulder to Mayfield's. I was simply pointing out that the symptoms can be very mild, and if the MRI didn't reveal any other damage, it's fair to assume that it didn't bother his throwing motion. After all, he played with the injury for 12 games. Russell struggles through an injury for 3 games and you ostracize him for coming back too early, now Mayfield plays with his injury 4 times longer than Russell did with his and Mayfield's a hero? What's up with that?

Besides, there's two other seasons that you've ignored. His 2021 season was the statistical norm, not the exception that 2020 was.

[RiverDog]

An interesting article on Field Gulls regarding a proposed Baker Mayfield trade:

Admittedly, the idea of Mayfield in a Seahawks uniform isn’t a terrible one. As a player, I think Mayfield is “good, not great.” I think he would be “fine” in a Pete Carroll-Shane Waldron offense. As good as Russell Wilson? No. But almost certainly better than Geno Smith - which is more than I would say I expect from Drew Lock.

And with $34,727,502 in cap space (as of Saturday afternoon), Mayfield’s fully guaranteed salary wouldn’t be completely crippling.

But there’s a difference of $17,406,978 between Baker Mayfield’s 2022 salary and Drew Lock’s 2022 salary and I don’t think there’s a $17.4M difference between the Seahawks’ results in 2022 if Mayfield starts instead of Lock.

I also don’t think it’s worth giving up draft capital to acquire Mayfield.

But ...What if Seattle and Cleveland did a version of the Brock Osweiler trade?

Here is my proposed trade:

Cleveland gets: Seattle’s 5th round pick in this year’s draft (#153 overall) + Denver’s 2nd-round pick in 2023.

Seattle gets: Baker Mayfield + Cleveland’s 2nd-round pick in this year’s draft (#44 overall) + Cleveland’s 5th-round pick in 2023
On paper, it’s basically a push with each team getting an R2 and an R5 (in opposite years) and the Browns getting cap relief (so they can consummate the Watson trade) while Seattle gets an “upgrade” (from Drew Lock, et al.) at QB1.

It’s a win-win.

Except for Seattle’s loss of cap space.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/3/20/22 ... ntary-poll

This would have several benefits. We'd get a one year trial, albeit an expensive one, on a quarterback that was once thought of highly enough to be a #1 overall pick. Since Mayfield has just one year remaining on his contract, we wouldn't be locked into him if he falls on his face and/or another QB, perhaps either Drew Lock or if one came to us through the draft, tickled our fancy. We wouldn't have to give up any net draft picks to acquire him, indeed, it would give us 3-2nd round picks in this year's draft that we'd almost certainly trade away for a player or a future pick (remember when we traded Denver our 2nd round pick for their following season's first rounder, the pick that we used to select Earl Thomas?).

This is obviously heavily slanted towards us, but as the article points out, Cleveland has painted themselves into a corner with the outrageous trade they made for Watson and that they have no choice but to trade Mayfield as they can't afford to keep him on the roster, and everyone knows how desperate they are, which reduces Mayfield's trade value even further.

[NorthHawk]

I wouldn't do that trade. I wouldn't want to give up a next years 2nd round pick because we may very well have our eye on a better QB in next years draft.
I would leave it as a 5th round pick at the most for Mayfield. Take it or leave it for the Browns.
Sometimes people over think trades and make them more complicated than they need to be.

[RiverDog]

I wouldn't do that trade. I wouldn't want to give up a next years 2nd round pick because we may very well have our eye on a better QB in next years draft.
I would leave it as a 5th round pick at the most for Mayfield. Take it or leave it for the Browns.
Sometimes people over think trades and make them more complicated than they need to be.

We'll still have our original #2 pick for that scenario. Besides, if we want to stockpile the Cleveland 2nd rounder, there will almost certainly be a team that sees a player falling to them and will want to swap out their 2023 pick for that pick we get from Cleveland.

[Hawktawk]

An interesting article on Field Gulls regarding a proposed Baker Mayfield trade:

Admittedly, the idea of Mayfield in a Seahawks uniform isn’t a terrible one. As a player, I think Mayfield is “good, not great.” I think he would be “fine” in a Pete Carroll-Shane Waldron offense. As good as Russell Wilson? No. But almost certainly better than Geno Smith - which is more than I would say I expect from Drew Lock.

And with $34,727,502 in cap space (as of Saturday afternoon), Mayfield’s fully guaranteed salary wouldn’t be completely crippling.

But there’s a difference of $17,406,978 between Baker Mayfield’s 2022 salary and Drew Lock’s 2022 salary and I don’t think there’s a $17.4M difference between the Seahawks’ results in 2022 if Mayfield starts instead of Lock.

I also don’t think it’s worth giving up draft capital to acquire Mayfield.

But ...What if Seattle and Cleveland did a version of the Brock Osweiler trade?

Here is my proposed trade:

Cleveland gets: Seattle’s 5th round pick in this year’s draft (#153 overall) + Denver’s 2nd-round pick in 2023.

Seattle gets: Baker Mayfield + Cleveland’s 2nd-round pick in this year’s draft (#44 overall) + Cleveland’s 5th-round pick in 2023
On paper, it’s basically a push with each team getting an R2 and an R5 (in opposite years) and the Browns getting cap relief (so they can consummate the Watson trade) while Seattle gets an “upgrade” (from Drew Lock, et al.) at QB1.

It’s a win-win.

Except for Seattle’s loss of cap space.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/3/20/22 ... ntary-poll

This would have several benefits. We'd get a one year trial, albeit an expensive one, on a quarterback that was once thought of highly enough to be a #1 overall pick. Since Mayfield has just one year remaining on his contract, we wouldn't be locked into him if he falls on his face and/or another QB, perhaps either Drew Lock or if one came to us through the draft, tickled our fancy. We wouldn't have to give up any net draft picks to acquire him, indeed, it would give us 3-2nd round picks in this year's draft that we'd almost certainly trade away for a player or a future pick (remember when we traded Denver our 2nd round pick for their following season's first rounder, the pick that we used to select Earl Thomas?).

This is obviously heavily slanted towards us, but as the article points out, Cleveland has painted themselves into a corner with the outrageous trade they made for Watson and that they have no choice but to trade Mayfield as they can't afford to keep him on the roster, and everyone knows how desperate they are, which reduces Mayfield's trade value even further.

Interesting . Very interesting they think Mayfield would be better then Geno in the Waldron offense but Locke supposedly would not. I do not want another argument but the last game I saw Geno play was almost perfect , move the chains 80% completion. Even TOP. Not sure mayfield ever had a game like that . My problem with Geno is too many sacks , 13 in 3 starts but he seemed comfortable in the offense. I think Pete ball is easy for a QB if they take what’s there which is often between the hash marks in the 10-15 yard range . Geno threw quite a few in there . I think Mayfield might well be fine in the offense . Even in a backup role they had fixed Genos extreme turnover issue which appears to be Mayfields main issue as well. Leadership was non existent for both as well . Geno had won over his teammates , imo
I’d go to war with a guy like mayfield too. As for playing with injury I rather doubt he ever averaged 11 points a game over any 3 game stretch as Wilson did returning from injury .
My bottom line if they don’t get Mayfield or some other vet I’m not afraid to ride with Locke and Geno .

[NorthHawk]

However it turns out I think we will see a lot of middling QB play for a couple of years, or
until we find another franchise type QB. Maybe we will find one this draft or maybe it won’t
be for a decade or two, but we will see a downgrade in QB play for a time. For this year it
won’t really matter much as I’m expecting it and maybe next year, too. But I would like
to see improvement or rather consistency as a short term goal.

[RiverDog]

However it turns out I think we will see a lot of middling QB play for a couple of years, or
until we find another franchise type QB. Maybe we will find one this draft or maybe it won’t
be for a decade or two, but we will see a downgrade in QB play for a time. For this year it
won’t really matter much as I’m expecting it and maybe next year, too. But I would like
to see improvement or rather consistency as a short term goal.

Very possible, which is why I'd like to hang onto those draft picks and use them to build a good foundation so when our next franchise QB comes around, we'll be ready. It's how we got our Super Bowl team in the first place, sticking with Hass for a year then Tavaris, Clip Board Jesus, Matt Flynn, etc until we stumbled onto Russell.

The thing with Mayfield is that he's still young enough that there is a chance that he could be that next Franchise QB. I have a built in bias against him and I think he's over rated, but I've been wrong before. The idea that we don't have to lump ourselves with a 3-4 year contract and don't have to give up any draft capital appeals to me.

[Hawktawk]

However it turns out I think we will see a lot of middling QB play for a couple of years, or
until we find another franchise type QB. Maybe we will find one this draft or maybe it won’t
be for a decade or two, but we will see a downgrade in QB play for a time. For this year it
won’t really matter much as I’m expecting it and maybe next year, too. But I would like
to see improvement or rather consistency as a short term goal.

Very possible, which is why I'd like to hang onto those draft picks and use them to build a good foundation so when our next franchise QB comes around, we'll be ready. It's how we got our Super Bowl team in the first place, sticking with Hass for a year then Tavaris, Clip Board Jesus, Matt Flynn, etc until we stumbled onto Russell.

The thing with Mayfield is that he's still young enough that there is a chance that he could be that next Franchise QB. I have a built in bias against him and I think he's over rated, but I've been wrong before. The idea that we don't have to lump ourselves with a 3-4 year contract and don't have to give up any draft capital appeals to me.

Interesting quote from the Denver GM. a new contract for Wilson "is not imminent". So another massive difference between his and Watsons deals not to mention Denver is apparently gonna put him on a 1 year trial. Who says we couldn't do the same with a Baker Mayfield.?
Mayfield would arrive with zero pressure having been thrown away for a guy who has overwhelmed the rape crisis donation centers in the city. Russ asking out of a city he won a Lombardi and set NFL records in is far different and places him squarely in the pressure cooker. If either man has a bad 2022 season they will never get another huge payday IMO. Mayfield might be out of the league or at least riding the pine somewhere on a cheap deal if he backs up the stinkeroo from last year. I still dont think PC or JS or Jodi Allen see this as a rebuild but rather a reset. They plan to win or it would be a fire sale. You dont pay Diggs to lose and so forth.

[RiverDog]

Bob Condotta, who is generally pretty well connected, doesn't think we'll be seeking a trade with Cleveland for Mayfield:

The Seattle Times’ Bob Condotta reported that the Seahawks are unlikely to make an aggressive push for Mayfield. “This [Watson trade] will obviously lead to more rumors linking Baker Mayfield and Seahawks,” Condotta tweeted on March 18. “But I’m hearing Seahawks aren’t expected to aggressively pursue Mayfield right now."

https://heavy.com/sports/seattle-seahaw ... --xZ7jRDpg

[Hawktawk]

Bob Condotta, who is generally pretty well connected, doesn't think we'll be seeking a trade with Cleveland for Mayfield:

The Seattle Times’ Bob Condotta reported that the Seahawks are unlikely to make an aggressive push for Mayfield. “This [Watson trade] will obviously lead to more rumors linking Baker Mayfield and Seahawks,” Condotta tweeted on March 18. “But I’m hearing Seahawks aren’t expected to aggressively pursue Mayfield right now."

https://heavy.com/sports/seattle-seahaw ... --xZ7jRDpg

I heard him described as Russell Wilson without the creativity or athleticism today. Short, cant see the middle of the field, accurate to open receivers but misses reads leading to picks and misses. I dont know if that's the case but if so give me Locke and Geno and Penney and DK and Lock and lets roll baby. at least they are 6-3 and 6-4 respectably.

[tarlhawk]

I think our QB situation and WR extension of DK Metcalf will both be post-draft issues. We just signed Penny and Trent Brown likes our team but wants a longer guaranteed contract which JS hasn't been committing to for players from outside our organization...Baker would remove some of our current flexibility to "fix" our team going forward...we are revisiting the fertile ground of getting a star prospect under contract ...and riding the cost saving wave to enable fielding a competitive roster once again.

[trents]

Mariotta and Ryan are now spoken for by other teams and off the table for the Hawks.

[RiverDog]

Mariotta and Ryan are now spoken for by other teams and off the table for the Hawks.

Well, not completely off the table as there's always the possibility of a trade. But I get your point.

Slowly, the options are being closed out. What's left? Mayfield? Jimmy G.? If we're not in the mix in this current QB musical chairs, then it seems likely that we'll be taking one in the draft. Kenny Pickett? Malik Willis?

[Old but Slow]

Rob Staton at Seahawks Draft Blog has mentioned Jack Coan the QB from Notre Dame as being about as good as they top QB's being mentioned, and could be available in the 3d or 4th round. He is a point guard/game manager type, reads defenses well and is accurate. Not a big arm but adequate, and pretty mobile.

He seems like the type that Pete likes, and he operated well behind a poor offensive line. My preference is that we ride with Lock and add Coan or Kaleb Elerbe on the 3d day of the draft, and then draft another QB next year.

Watch some ND tapes of YouTube and get both Coan and the WR Kevin Austin Jr who is also looking very Seahawky (whatever that is these days).

[Stream Hawk]

For some reason I’m having post trade depression. I have this fear that Pete is stoked on lock forever. And all this talk of game manager.

Trying to my best to remember how Russell that never considered such a thing. So yeah I hope it’s not what seems to be happening. Because (obviously?) Pete can’t think he can win in the NFC West with Drew freaking Lock at quarterback? Unless they’re hoping he’s like a Hasselbeck find - but who’s his Holmgren?

[Hawktawk]

For some reason I’m having post trade depression. I have this fear that Pete is stoked on lock forever. And all this talk of game manager.

Trying to my best to remember how Russell that never considered such a thing. So yeah I hope it’s not what seems to be happening. Because (obviously?) Pete can’t think he can win in the NFC West with Drew freaking Lock at quarterback? Unless they’re hoping he’s like a Hasselbeck find - but who’s his Holmgren?

How many superbowls did Holmgren win here ? Carroll and Bevell adapted Russels strengths into the offense which helped both he and the team . Pistol , read option , pound the rock then go up top.

Can we accept that we were bad WITH Russ ? In 2021 he had 11 picks in his last 11 games including his 11-29 pick six vs the Rams in his last ever playoff appearance here .

No contrition . Nope got hit too much . I said it then. Trade him . He was 6-8 this year “ checked out “ according to teammates .

What the hell were the Hawks supposed to do ?This is what I find interesting . Seattle’s not luring a bunch of guys from out of town yet but most of their FAs are coming back or got huge deals like Reed to leave . It’s interesting that DK is standing up for Locke . He did Geno too when Russ was out . I’m not sure Russ was real popular in that locker room eating up 35 million and bagging on his teammates. Checking in and out .

I agree with Greg Olsen and Dave Wyman and a few on here who don’t think it’s a personell issue. We swept an NFC title participant and hung a 50 burger and would have hung 2 but Russ cooked up 14 points for the Cards . I think it might be just fine . Let’s see . I’ll eat the crow unlike most . If you have DK and Lockette to throw to and Penney behind you you might be surprised how effective any quarterback who plays within the system , takes what’s there , throw it away if it’s not there . I’m saying 10 wins minimum next year .

[obiken]

Slowly, the options are being closed out. What's left? Mayfield? Jimmy G.? If we're not in the mix in this current QB musical chairs, then it seems likely that we'll be taking one in the draft. Kenny Pickett? Malik Willis?

They just paid DL for a 1 year contract! You assured me River, that Locke was not JS main plan, but no you lied to me!! I loved you man, and you lied to me!!

Not really, you cant control what these teams do! Seriously, I just dont see BM coming here, but he may not have a choice. Malik Willis looks like the real deal to me but we wont get a chance at him at #9. I think we should have cut DL just to end the doubters like me! Either way we are doomed.

[c_hawkbob]

I actually think Mayfield coming here is fairly likely. For him his other options have about dried up and for us I believe Pete wants to go to camp and have an actual QB competition as he did in '12 with a couple vets and a rookie, not just hand it over to Drew Lock and say "git 'er done son".

[RiverDog]

I actually think Mayfield coming here is fairly likely. For him his other options have about dried up and for us I believe Pete wants to go to camp and have an actual QB competition as he did in '12 with a couple vets and a rookie, not just hand it over to Drew Lock and say "git 'er done son".

I think so, too. With all of the QB musical chairs that has gone on over the past couple of weeks, Cleveland has to be getting desperate. They are running out of options. But I still don't want to give up any more than a 3rd or 4th round pick.

[Hawktawk]

I actually think Mayfield coming here is fairly likely. For him his other options have about dried up and for us I believe Pete wants to go to camp and have an actual QB competition as he did in '12 with a couple vets and a rookie, not just hand it over to Drew Lock and say "git 'er done son".

I think so, too. With all of the QB musical chairs that has gone on over the past couple of weeks, Cleveland has to be getting desperate. They are running out of options. But I still don't want to give up any more than a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Maybe Pete and John don’t want to either . When I see what they got for team wrecker coach killer Wendz I have a hard time believing anyone’s getting him that cheap . I like the guy , the grittiness , honesty , accountability . He also hung 40 plus on the Steelers at Heinz field in the 2020 WC right before Russels 11-29 stinks too so it was an easy contrast . Mayfiejd played his best game of the year and played well the following week . Russ played by far his worst game of the year .

I’m intrigued by Locke . Physically his game is a lot like Josh Allen early on . Big strong and mobile with a huge arm, can really “ spin it” just accuracy issues and stunted development out of college in a 1 read offense . Whatever criticism you want to level at Pete Carroll nobody who has ever coached Drew Locke can carry Pete’s balls in a wheelbarrow . The kid had like 4 offensive coordinators and an old washed up career D coordinator as a HC. I think a part of PC would love to beat the brains out of Russ and the Donkos with their castoff . Stranger things have happened .

[govandals]

Bob Condotta, who is generally pretty well connected, doesn't think we'll be seeking a trade with Cleveland for Mayfield:

The Seattle Times’ Bob Condotta reported that the Seahawks are unlikely to make an aggressive push for Mayfield. “This [Watson trade] will obviously lead to more rumors linking Baker Mayfield and Seahawks,” Condotta tweeted on March 18. “But I’m hearing Seahawks aren’t expected to aggressively pursue Mayfield right now."

https://heavy.com/sports/seattle-seahaw ... --xZ7jRDpg

Key words there are "aggressively" and "right now". If somethings happens, it sounds like Pete will let it come to him. Just sit back and let the price fall. The Field Gulls trade proposal is interesting. I can certainly see Cleveland giving up a draft pick just for someone to take on the $18 mil.

I think we've seen enough of Mayfield to know who he is, though. A mediocre QB. In my opinion, he isn't going to win you a SB. I don't think we know just yet who Lock is. I am OK with Lock, Geno and possibly a draft pick this year. May the best man win and lets see what happens. If the QB is terrible, we end up with a top five pick in 2023 and in addition to Denver's first rounder and 2 seconds, we can manipulate the draft board to get (hopefully) a true franchise QB. I'm sure Pete completely disagrees with me as he is in "Win Forever" mode all the time. Of course, the best case scenario is Lock is actually good.

[RiverDog]

Bob Condotta, who is generally pretty well connected, doesn't think we'll be seeking a trade with Cleveland for Mayfield:

The Seattle Times’ Bob Condotta reported that the Seahawks are unlikely to make an aggressive push for Mayfield. “This [Watson trade] will obviously lead to more rumors linking Baker Mayfield and Seahawks,” Condotta tweeted on March 18. “But I’m hearing Seahawks aren’t expected to aggressively pursue Mayfield right now."

https://heavy.com/sports/seattle-seahaw ... --xZ7jRDpg

Key words there are "aggressively" and "right now". If somethings happens, it sounds like Pete will let it come to him. Just sit back and let the price fall. The Field Gulls trade proposal is interesting. I can certainly see Cleveland giving up a draft pick just for someone to take on the $18 mil.

Absolutely correct. It's a very fluid situation. Up until the past couple of weeks, no one expected Watson to be going to the Browns, let alone the outrageous contract he signed. Besides, our lack of interest could be nothing but a smoke screen to drive down the asking price.

I think we've seen enough of Mayfield to know who he is, though. A mediocre QB. In my opinion, he isn't going to win you a SB. I don't think we know just yet who Lock is. I am OK with Lock, Geno and possibly a draft pick this year. May the best man win and lets see what happens. If the QB is terrible, we end up with a top five pick in 2023 and in addition to Denver's first rounder and 2 seconds, we can manipulate the draft board to get (hopefully) a true franchise QB. I'm sure Pete completely disagrees with me as he is in "Win Forever" mode all the time. Of course, the best case scenario is Lock is actually good.

I agree with your assessment of Mayfield, and I, too, would be good with going with the hand we're dealt for this season as I don't expect us to compete anyway. Lock does need to fix some things, particularly his turnovers, if he has a chance at all. His career TD:INT ratio is 5:4. Pete won't let a QB warm up behind the bench with those numbers.

[govandals]

I went back last night and read/watched a bunch of pre-draft info on Lock. I saw a couple of Stafford comps and one Cutler comp. I definitely see the (younger) Cutler comp.

[NorthHawk]

Maybe the Seahawks are just waiting to see how it turns out with Mayfield and if they can't trade him and just cut him we might
pick him up for a few million in salary on a one year prove-it deal. Something like $3 or 4M and some incentives.

[mykc14]

Maybe the Seahawks are just waiting to see how it turns out with Mayfield and if they can't trade him and just cut him we might
pick him up for a few million in salary on a one year prove-it deal. Something like $3 or 4M and some incentives.

That would be an ideal situation. The Browns really have no leverage at this point they have gone all in on Watson and have totally destroyed their relationship with Mayfield, they need to get rid of him and as much of his salary as possible. It seems like their is some team out there who would take him and his salary on for a draft pick, the problem is they have already given up so much for Watson that they don't really have the capital. If they end up cutting him this will be the biggest cluster of an off-season I've seen from a franchise regarding the QB position. Giving up 3 first rounders, a third, and a fourth and guaranteeing $230 million with crippling cap hits to a guy who will possibly start this season suspended for sexual misconduct??? Completely losing any leverage you had with Mayfield and eating $19 million just to see him go away? At this point they might give up a second just to save the salary- you know they are going to need it after that stupid Watson contract. I have been a strong no in trading for Mayfield due to the perceived cost of trading him and his $19 million cap hit, but if he gets cut and becomes available I'd be all over it. At the same time if the Browns are desperate enough to give up a high (2-3) draft pick to take him on I wouldn't love the cap hit but I'd definitely be intrigued.

[NorthHawk]

Interesting thought of Mayfield AND a Draft pick.
Haven't they already given up their 2nd round pick this year and next for Watson?
If so I doubt they would give up their 3rd rounder, but I think you are right that they have to get rid of him some how.

[obiken]

Albert Breer is saying today that the Browns want a 1st rounder for Mayfield; isn't that a laugher! Why would a team give up a first rounder for an Immature, self absorbed, piece of work like him!!

[NorthHawk]

Albert Breer is saying today that the Browns want a 1st rounder for Mayfield; isn't that a laugher! Why would a team give up a first rounder for an Immature, self absorbed, piece of work like him!!

They can ask and want all they want, but the market will decide and at the moment it doesn't seem close to being that high.

[mykc14]

Albert Breer is saying today that the Browns want a 1st rounder for Mayfield; isn't that a laugher! Why would a team give up a first rounder for an Immature, self absorbed, piece of work like him!!

There is no way they are getting a #1 for him and I would doubt there is any team willing to give up a 2 or 3. They have no leverage and need cap space. Next year they have Watson, Garrett, and Cooper taking up a combined 107 million!!! Three guys taking up 1/2 the cap!!

[mykc14]

Haven't they already given up their 2nd round pick this year and next for Watson?
If so I doubt they would give up their 3rd rounder, but I think you are right that they have to get rid of him some how.

The Browns still have these picks:

Round 2 (44)
Round 3 (78)
Round 3 (99)
Round 4 (107)
Round 4 (118)
Round 6 (202)
Round 7 (223)

[NorthHawk]

I didn’t realize they still had a 2nd, but I would think they want to keep their 2nd to 4th at least so as to get some
young players at a lesser cost if the want to keep their other stars.

[mykc14]

I didn’t realize they still had a 2nd, but I would think they want to keep their 2nd to 4th at least so as to get some
young players at a lesser cost if the want to keep their other stars.

No question they will want to keep as many picks as they can. They also will want to get a high pick from trading Mayfield, but the reality is they have completely backed themselves into a corner on this one. They agreed to the stupidest contract in NFL history while giving up 3 1st, a 3rd, and a 4th round pick. Not only did they guarantee $80 million more than any other player in NFL history but they also put themselves in salary cap hell after this year just to make sure Deshaun loses as little money as possible due to suspensions this year. They have three players who will account for over 1/2 their total cap next season. They have completely burned every bridge with Mayfield- everybody knows they can't keep him around. They can't pay him $19 mil this year and everybody knows it. The other reality is that Mayfield on a one year rental isn't worth that much anyway. No leverage plus Mayfield's cap situation means that the reality is they are probably going to have to give up something to get rid of Mayfield. My guess is that they either have to part with their 3rd MINIMUM or create some sort of deal where they are paying part (probably around half) of Mayfield's contract. If they pay money they might get a late round pick for him.

[Hawktawk]

I heard a report on 710 that the Browns had contacted an unnamed GM inquiring about their possible interest and were told they need Mayfiejd and a pick to justify paying him 18.5 million . I wonder if it was John. But that’s reportedly where the Mayfield discussion is right now around the league . I begin to think PC and JS really want to roll with what they have .

[obiken]

Barring injuries, I just think Mayfield is done as a starting QB in the NFL. Never the less, the NFL is ALL about injuries.