Free Agency 2022

[RiverDog]

They've now exchanged DJ Reed for Artie Burns. An upgrade in their minds, I suspect.

An upgrade? For a player that had a hard time starting for one of the worst teams in the league? Doesn't sound like an upgrade to me.

[NorthHawk]

That's how they will present it to us.

[mykc14]

That's how they will present it to us.

I don't think so. His contract is 1 year 2 million while Reeds was 11 mil/year over 3 years. This is a depth move with some upside. Desai must have liked him enough to throw him a bone, but he hasn't been good as a pro, although he did earn a starting spot to end the year in Chicago.

[NorthHawk]

That was sarcastic.
It continues our depletion of talent - replacing a good player with a questionable player.
Besides, if he's depth, who is starting? Tre Brown, I guess, if he's healed from his ACL.

[mykc14]

That was sarcastic.
It continues our depletion of talent - replacing a good player with a questionable player.
Besides, if he's depth, who is starting? Tre Brown, I guess, if he's healed from his ACL.

As to who is starting there is still a lot of off-season left to figure that out, but I would imagine Tre Brown and Sydney Jones are slated in there at this point. I agree that losing Reed is frustrating because he's been our best corner over the past two years, but is he worth 11 mil/year?

[NorthHawk]

On a team without much talent I would say yes.

[NorthHawk]

We signed a DE Uchenna Nwosu from the Chargers.
He’s young so he might have some upside but I see him as a Rasheed Green type.
Apparently he’s 6’2 and 251 lbs
2 years 10.5 guaranteed. 20M total

[NorthHawk]

We signed Austin Blythe a C who has played for the Chiefs but was beat out by Creed Humphrey but has also played for
the Rams and Colts. He will probably be good competition for Pocic.

[RiverDog]

We signed Austin Blythe a C who has played for the Chiefs but was beat out by Creed Humphrey but has also played for
the Rams and Colts. He will probably be good competition for Pocic.

I saw that. He's likely an upgrade over Kyle Fuller, whom we chose not to re-sign. With two centers on the roster, we're probably not drafting one.

[NorthHawk]

We need OT more than C now, but if they have a C who can play G on their board and have a high
value on him in the 3rd or 4th, they may pull the trigger and cut the lesser of Pocic/Blythe.

[govandals]

Pocic is a UFA and not on the roster. Unless we re-signed him and I missed it.

Blythe is marginally better then Pocic, IMO. I imagine he knows the Waldron/Dickerson system from his time in LA.
I really like what Pete did yesterday.
Burns is a fringe starter/depth guy. Cheap at 2/mil. Desai knows him. Probably means they don't HAVE to draft a CB, but I think they will in the later rounds.
I liked Nwosu coming out of USC, (He was in my 3 deep mock). Tweener DE/LB guy. Not super twitchy but a young, high effort guy. I think they draft a LB still. Probably 2.

Also, Benson Mayowa released.

[NorthHawk]

They have lots of holes to fill or positions to improve this off season and like you said, Blythe has played in a McVay type system.
It should at least begin to solidify the C position, but I don't know what if anything he has left. He didn't play much last year so
he should be well rested and ready to go.

[Agent 86]

OT Trent Brown coming in for a visit today. He played next to Gabe Jackson for the Raiders a couple seasons ago. I would assume they are looking at him for the RT spot even though I read he can play both Tackle positions.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/3/16/22981820/report-free-agent-t-trent-brown-visit-seattle-seahawks-las-vegas-raiders-new-england-patriots-brown

[NorthHawk]

OT Trent Brown coming in for a visit today. He played next to Gabe Jackson for the Raiders a couple seasons ago. I would assume they are looking at him for the RT spot even though I read he can play both Tackle positions.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/3/16/22981820/report-free-agent-t-trent-brown-visit-seattle-seahawks-las-vegas-raiders-new-england-patriots-brown

I didn't read your link, but Brown has been injured a lot the last few years and he has had some trouble with his weight.
So, I think an OT would still be on the table should a good one fall to 40 or 41. It's a good sign that they are checking OT's out, though.

[Agent 86]

I didn't read your link, but Brown has been injured a lot the last few years and he has had some trouble with his weight.
So, I think an OT would still be on the table should a good one fall to 40 or 41. It's a good sign that they are checking OT's out, though.

You're right North. He has played only 25 games the last 3 years so definitely some injury issues. He is 29 years old. Seems like alot of the Hawks FA signings on the O-line have injury issues which is probably why they get them on the cheap.

[NorthHawk]

It's why teams build through the draft. Unfortunately that has been a huge disappointment here under this regime.

[govandals]

I'm meh on Trent Brown. Dallas just released La'el Collins, I'd much rather have him at RT

Rams signed Allen Robinson, good move for them, unfortunately

[NorthHawk]

Fletcher Cox has been released. He’s getting up there in age but he’s still very productive.
It might impede our decisions on DL upgrade though which wouldn’t help building for the longer term.

[NorthHawk]

We signed Quinton Jefferson. He played for the Raiders last year but was drafted by us.

[NorthHawk]

We’ve also cut Dunlap and Hyder.
I suspect scheme fit for Dunlap, but he also didn’t play much for us last year.

[govandals]

We’ve also cut Dunlap and Hyder.
I suspect scheme fit for Dunlap, but he also didn’t play much for us last year.

Yeah, could be scheme fit for Dunlap, he is about as traditional a 4-3 end as it gets. All signs point toward 3-4. They designated him a post June 1st cut, so it frees up some cap space. Hyder just didn't show anything last year so no surprise there.

I definitely don't think they're done adding players. Still some holes to fill before the draft. I hope these moves aren't just freeing up cap space for Baker Mayfield.

[NorthHawk]

I think we have enough Cap space for Mayfield should they want him.
My fear is them giving up too much in compensation. Anything more than a 5th
round would be too much for me.

[RiverDog]

I think we have enough Cap space for Mayfield should they want him. My fear is them giving up too much in compensation. Anything more than a 5th round would be too much for me.

Washington traded a #1 and a #3 for Carson Wentz, who is about the same quality of QB that Mayfield is, and without a no trade clause, the market for him is wide open. I think Mayfield goes for a lot more than a 5th rounder.

[Hawktawk]

Nobody is getting Mayfield for a fifth round pick . Not a chance . He’s said the Colts are his preferred destination apparently . I’d choose them over Seattle too. Established bell cow running back , good parts on both sides of the ball and a younger more progressive coach who is good with QBs . Although he could not fix Wendz.
As for the little dictator he’s revealed he spent a big part of his Post season vacation watching every Denver game 2 or 3 times long before this broke . But nothing opens deluded eyes . Good riddance . Seattle was not shopping him . He was already gone .

[govandals]

There was no first round pick in the Wentz deal. Indy got a 2nd this year and a conditional pick (2nd or 3rd) next year. They also swapped 2nd's this year and Indy sent a 7th to Washington as well.

Browns have no leverage in a Mayfield deal. I think a 3rd or 4th is realistic for whoever wants him. I hope it's not us.

[RiverDog]

There was no first round pick in the Wentz deal. Indy got a 2nd this year and a conditional pick (2nd or 3rd) next year. They also swapped 2nd's this year and Indy sent a 7th to Washington as well.

Browns have no leverage in a Mayfield deal. I think a 3rd or 4th is realistic for whoever wants him. I hope it's not us.

Ah, you're right, my bad. I was looking at the part of the article that discussed what Indy gave Philly for Wentz last season.

A 2nd day pick is probably realistic, but the Browns have already showed their hand when they signed Watson. And like you, I want no part of Baker Mayfield. I've always felt that he's over rated, reminds me a bit of Mark Sanchez when he broke in with the Jets.

[RiverDog]

As for the little dictator he’s revealed he spent a big part of his Post season vacation watching every Denver game 2 or 3 times long before this broke . But nothing opens deluded eyes . Good riddance . Seattle was not shopping him . He was already gone .

Even if that's true, I think it's a little too harsh. This is a business, and as I said in another thread, everyone lies to one degree or another. It's accepted behavior. It's what you get with 24/7 news, social media, and instant communications. People lie just to get others off their backs. It's emblematic of how society in general has evolved.

[Hawktawk]

In his only playoff season of his career Baker Mayfield had a QBR of 94.0 with 467 yards passing , 4 TDs and 1 pick in 2 road playoff games . Those stats matter more to me than regular season . In that 2020 season he had mid 20 TDs and 8 Picks , very similar to Russell’s early years , 3500 yards give or take .
This year he played with a torn labrum in his left shoulder and a serious ankle injury for several games before being shut down which surely contributed to his play .
I think he’s got potential to be a solid starter here .

[TriCitySam]

As for Mayfield, really depends if you can get a new deal in place that's reasonable. I think the Browns overpaid (although I guess several teams were willing), but it must bug the crap out of Russell that a guy with DW baggage was worth 3 #1's.

[NorthHawk]

I would want Mayfield on a short term deal, maybe even just assume the rest of his
current contract while we look for the next franchise QB in upcoming drafts.

[RiverDog]

As for Mayfield, really depends if you can get a new deal in place that's reasonable. I think the Browns overpaid (although I guess several teams were willing), but it must bug the crap out of Russell that a guy with DW baggage was worth 3 #1's.

Now that Russell Wilson is a Bronco, I doubt that he's shedding too many tears over the fact that the Watson trade yielded more draft capital than his own.

[Hawktawk]

As for the little dictator he’s revealed he spent a big part of his Post season vacation watching every Denver game 2 or 3 times long before this broke . But nothing opens deluded eyes . Good riddance . Seattle was not shopping him . He was already gone .

Even if that's true, I think it's a little too harsh. This is a business, and as I said in another thread, everyone lies to one degree or another. It's accepted behavior. It's what you get with 24/7 news, social media, and instant communications. People lie just to get others off their backs. It's emblematic of how society in general has evolved.

The question is why was Russ traded ? The answer is clearly because he wanted to be traded and Seattle acquiesced to his demands . I’m sure there was mutual interest after JS being in a swearing match with Rodgers a year ago and the constant leaks. They got him Gabe Jackson , got him Waldron , drafted him a speedster . Still wasn’t enough . Like Jodi said “ we want people who are on board . I’ll tell you something river I’ve lost respect for him more than I thought possible . I’m sitting in my house chatting with a friend of my wife’s who is a huge Broncos fan right now. She’s p@seed off , wants nothing to do with Wilson . Wished they kept Locke and developed him . I have another friend who is a dentist , he and his wife attended both the recent Denver SBs , they have not made a peep other than Cynthia who is not happy either . JS traded RW because he asked for it but in the end he may have swindled Denver and I’m sure he’s elated it’s done . At this point so am I . Great memories , mostly early on . Credit where due . But the man lost to Cousins , tannyhill , Colt McCoy, Taylor Heinike , Nick Foles . With the possible exception of cousins nobody is better than the guys he’s going to play twice a year now . Good luck Denver .

[NorthHawk]

There was also a lot of animosity between JS and Russ’s agent Mark Rogers (one report had them lobbing
F bombs at each other), and it was in part why John was scouting some of the better QBs and explored
trading Wilson to the Browns for the #1 pick that year supposedly for Allen.
So there was desire on both sides to part ways.

[NorthHawk]

We re-signed Kyle Fuller.

[RiverDog]

We re-signed Kyle Fuller.

Interesting. When we didn't tender him, it sounded like we were letting him go.

[obiken]

There was also a lot of animosity between JS and Russ’s agent Mark Rogers (one report had them lobbing
F bombs at each other), and it was in part why John was scouting some of the better QBs and explored
trading Wilson to the Browns for the #1 pick that year supposedly for Allen.
So there was desire on both sides to part ways.

NH why is it that people cant just say why? Does the "why" really matter. Benedict Arnold was actually cleared of all corruption charges by the Continental Congress, Gov Read, who hated Arnold, then threatened Washington to pull Pennsylvania out of the Revolution. So WA threw Arnold under the bus to the Newspapers, then tried to make up for it by giving him 2nd in Command. But by then the treason was already committed. Why? He did it for the men, that's what WA did every thing for. Why was Pete scouting Josh Allen in the first damn place? Come on, no way we get a Josh Allen. Why was RW, Mr. Pollyanna, so butt hurt about it? Who made the first move? Why dont they just tell the damn Truth, NorthHawk!! Its like the long saga when Wayne Gretzky, left the Oilers.

[NorthHawk]

Fuller is listed as 6'4 307lbs but I thought he was much larger.
The size fits the range of a McVay Offense with quicker but not larger IOL should Waldron have the same requirement.
Maybe he's just a place holder in the event they don't pick a Center up in the draft.
It looks to me like there are a few good Centers that should be available in the 4th, so who knows if one of them is on their radar.

[NorthHawk]

NH why is it that people cant just say why? Does the "why" really matter. Benedict Arnold was actually cleared of all corruption charges by the Continental Congress, Gov Read, who hated Arnold, then threatened Washington to pull Pennsylvania out of the Revolution. So WA threw Arnold under the bus to the Newspapers, then tried to make up for it by giving him 2nd in Command. But by then the treason was already committed. Why? He did it for the men, that's what WA did every thing for. Why was Pete scouting Josh Allen in the first damn place? Come on, no way we get a Josh Allen. Why was RW, Mr. Pollyanna, so butt hurt about it? Who made the first move? Why dont they just tell the damn Truth, NorthHawk!! Its like the long saga when Wayne Gretzky, left the Oilers.

Why can't they say why? I don't know. Maybe there's a code amongst agents, players, and management that nobody talks about the goings on.
It might be that some of these things embarrass one or both sides, or maybe they think it's a competitive disadvantage to let everyone know
how they operate. I would assume they would think that it's their personal business, and doesn't belong in the public domain is part of it.

[Old but Slow]

So, no Brown/Brown tackles. Trent Brown is going back to New England.

[RiverDog]

So, no Brown/Brown tackles. Trent Brown is going back to New England.

We may not have our Brown tackle, either. I just read an article that the Panthers are hot on Duane's trail.