Wilson to the Broncos

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Oh no! We’re doomed!

Well, not yet anyway. I’m willing to wait and see. Pete went 7-9 in his first two seasons with a bedrock roster breakdown and rebuild lwhile waiting for the right qb. And Wilson didn’t fall into their laps; Schneider read the tea leaves correctly and grabbed Wilson earlier than many thought he should go. That wasn’t luck; that was them doing good analysis. And they rightly didn’t overspend or reach for the qb they didn’t think was the best option.

They have the chance to do that again. This doesn’t look like the year to go after a qb in the draft but could be a very good opportunity to fill other positions of need. Start setting up the roster for the TBD QB. Yes, I do have concerns that they’ll make good on this with the draft, but I will hope they succeed.

And Wilson brought unprecedented success to this franchise, but he also hadn’t been himself since Let Russ Cook was proven to be temporary. Wilson caused a significant portion of his sacks and it was maddening to see him force deep throws into double coverage instead of methodically working over a defense. He wanted his big plays. I think he’s becoming less about the game and more about the fame. My biggest ache with Wilson is that he is more than capable of playing a balanced game and taking what the defense gives him, but he got away from that and doesn’t seem interested in playing that way. I suspect Denver is giving him more authority over the conduct of the offense.

Wilson isn’t easily replaceable, but this team can still be a competitor without him. Time will tell.

[Rambo2014]

Wow when you guys screw up you do it up right!

I am enjoying it immensely

Seahawks will probably get Deshawn as PC likes them convicts

[NorthHawk]

Oh no! We’re doomed!

Well, not yet anyway. I’m willing to wait and see. Pete went 7-9 in his first two seasons with a bedrock roster breakdown and rebuild lwhile waiting for the right qb. And Wilson didn’t fall into their laps; Schneider read the tea leaves correctly and grabbed Wilson earlier than many thought he should go. That wasn’t luck; that was them doing good analysis. And they rightly didn’t overspend or reach for the qb they didn’t think was the best option.

They have the chance to do that again. This doesn’t look like the year to go after a qb in the draft but could be a very good opportunity to fill other positions of need. Start setting up the roster for the TBD QB. Yes, I do have concerns that they’ll make good on this with the draft, but I will hope they succeed.

And Wilson brought unprecedented success to this franchise, but he also hadn’t been himself since Let Russ Cook was proven to be temporary. Wilson caused a significant portion of his sacks and it was maddening to see him force deep throws into double coverage instead of methodically working over a defense. He wanted his big plays. I think he’s becoming less about the game and more about the fame. My biggest ache with Wilson is that he is more than capable of playing a balanced game and taking what the defense gives him, but he got away from that and doesn’t seem interested in playing that way. I suspect Denver is giving him more authority over the conduct of the offense.

Wilson isn’t easily replaceable, but this team can still be a competitor without him. Time will tell.

I don't think it can be pulled off. I also don't think it has ever happened in the SB era where a HC won a SB then let the team wither on the vine to the point of mediocrity and followed
it up by getting back to being a SB contender. Belichick has been a constant winner, and hasn't seen the overall talent decline precipitously like we have along with missing on draft picks
and poor FA acquisitions.

Maybe it could have happened as most regimes are ousted after the team declines in favor of getting a FO that has a different vision, but it really hasn't been done in the NFL to my knowledge.

[Hawktawk]

I don't think we sit still with the QB's we currently have. I would fully expect us to bring in some former starters like Marcus Mariota, Carson Wentz, or Gardner Minshew to compete for the job. We may all think that we're in a full rebuild, but Pete may still believe that he's just a player or two from winning another Lombardi and has his eye on the QB he wants to run his or keep the seat warm while he learns team.

And who knows. I'm not holding my breath, but there's some that believe that Drew Lock was not given a fair chance in Denver, so maybe he blossoms into something totally unexpected.

We may end up going 0-17 next season, but it's going to be an interesting lead up to it.

Theres rumors about Watson being in the cross hairs. I dont know how Seattle could do that after Mr clean but they are gonna probably bring back Mr small D@ck syndrome so who knows. Huard thinks Lock is a starter that has been abused by 4 coordinators and an old DC as a HC last 2 years . He is an athletic guy with lots of arm strength. But if these 2 are all they wind up with Genos stint here with Seattle was better than anything Locke has done so far. Id like to see Minshew in the mix.Maybe mariota. Wendz is a bigger head case than Russ ever was,but if they want a veteran arm to back up Locke or start while they develop him they have him already with Smith unless someone comes out of the blue and makes a better offer, But Pete showed 10 years ago hes not afraid to think outside the box at QB.

[Aseahawkfan]

No Watson. We have way too many massage parlors in the area and legal weed. The guy has a hard enough time controlling himself.

[RiverDog]

No Watson. We have way too many massage parlors in the area and legal weed. The guy has a hard enough time controlling himself.

LOL!

There's a lot of quarterbacks with starting experience that if not our QBOTF, could step in and provide that bridge to the future. Tyrod Taylor is another QB that might be someone we'd consider.

[NorthHawk]

I’d have no problem with Watson. As soon as he started to
throw TD’s most would forget about any off field issues.

[Aseahawkfan]

I’d have no problem with Watson. As soon as he started to
throw TD’s most would forget about any off field issues.

Until he was suspended for off the field issues or headed to jail. And I think many would remember how slimy his off the field issues were in the same way Ben R was slimy. Sure, we like to win, but that slimy feel would be hard to escape.

[RiverDog]

I’d have no problem with Watson. As soon as he started to
throw TD’s most would forget about any off field issues.

Until he was suspended for off the field issues or headed to jail. And I think many would remember how slimy his off the field issues were in the same way Ben R was slimy. Sure, we like to win, but that slimy feel would be hard to escape.

I'm with ASF on this one. The thing I liked best about Russell is that his character was unreproachable. As in the old western movies, I like rooting for the guys in the white hats, a Superman that fights for "truth, justice, and the American way", especially when we're talking about the quarterback, our face of the franchise. I love to get into a friendly sparring contest with other team's fans, and having to walk into a bar bearing a wart like Deshaun Watson wouldn't be something I'd like to defend.

[Oly]

I feel the same about Watson as I do about Roethlisberger, Tyreek Hill, or any other player with the stench of child abuse/rape/intimate partner violence: I'd never cheer for a team that employs them. I deliberated for a long time and read up about Frank Clark a lot before I decided that I could hold my nose and still cheer for the team. I almost checked out at that point. I didn't watch a single snap Adrian Peterson played here. I know Watson hasn't been convicted, but conviction is a high bar for rich people with access to good lawyers. In my gut, I just think there is fire under that smoke. So if they go with Watson, I'll sit out as many seasons as he's here and come back when I can feel good about the players on the team.

As much as Wilson's play frustrated me these past 2 seasons, I always felt good cheering for #3. Best wishes to him in Denver.

[c_hawkbob]

22 sexual assault civil lawsuits, investigation by a grand jury in pursuit of criminal charges with filings expected as soon as this Friday. No thanks on Watson!

[tarlhawk]

Looks like RW already having an effect in his new NFL Division. The Chargers picking up Khalil Mack from the Bears (agreeing to take in the full cost of his contract)...seems like a "counter" to the Broncos acquiring RW. A competitive AFC West just got tougher.

[RiverDog]

Looks like RW already having an effect in his new NFL Division. The Chargers picking up Khalil Mack from the Bears (agreeing to take in the full cost of his contract)...seems like a "counter" to the Broncos acquiring RW. A competitive AFC West just got tougher.

I saw that. The 2023 #1 pick we got from Denver could turn into another in the top 10, especially considering what they gave up to bring in Russell. Gotta root against the Donkeys next season.

[NorthHawk]

I hope Russ has a record year in passes and TD's but loses every game so we can have the first overall pick.

[TriCitySam]

I hope Russ has a record year in passes and TD's but loses every game so we can have the first overall pick.

That would be good, but we know Russ will win some games.....the question remains: can RW effectively run an offensive scheme or is he to much of a riverboat gambler? He likes to throw caution to the wind at times - and while Pete was critical of it at times - RW failed to accept blame or acknowledge he should have taken the open guy.

[NorthHawk]

I wonder about that, too but I also wonder if some of his “gambles” were because of being
frustrated in a conservative Offense. In a progressive Offense he may have enough of a
challenge that he would settle into the scheme better. He always seemed to me to be trying
to break out of the shackles of Pete’s Offense.

[mykc14]

I hope Russ has a record year in passes and TD's but loses every game so we can have the first overall pick.

Yeah whatever happens with the Broncos this year we, as Hawks fans, have to hope for a bad overall record. They can play for a SB in 2 years, but next year I hope they have the worst record in the league.

[obiken]

Yeah whatever happens with the Broncos this year we, as Hawks fans, have to hope for a bad overall record. They can play for a SB in 2 years, but next year I hope they have the worst record in the league.

Wow, much anger in you young Patawan, dont give into hate, that leads to being a Raiders fan!!

[mykc14]

Wow, much anger in you young Patawan, dont give into hate, that leads to being a Raiders fan!!

Has nothing to do with hate, I just want the best possible draft pick for the Hawks next year. If we weren't getting a draft pick from them next year then I would hope they won every game, RW was the MVP, and they made it to the SB (obviously losing to the HAWKS, if they weren't playing the Hawks then I would want them to win). I love RW and hope him nothing but success as long as that success doesn't impede the Hawks in anyway.

[RiverDog]

Wow, much anger in you young Patawan, dont give into hate, that leads to being a Raiders fan!!

Has nothing to do with hate, I just want the best possible draft pick for the Hawks next year. If we weren't getting a draft pick from them next year then I would hope they won every game, RW was the MVP, and they made it to the SB (obviously losing to the HAWKS, if they weren't playing the Hawks then I would want them to win). I love RW and hope him nothing but success as long as that success doesn't impede the Hawks in anyway.

Obi, every Hawk fan worth his weight should be rooting for the Broncos to have the worst record in the league next season. And to correct Mykc, it should be plural, as in "picks". We have the Broncos' first and second rounders next season.

After the 2022 season, I don't care one way or another where the Broncos finish.

[Aseahawkfan]

Whether we root for it or not, that division is a tough division. Only the Raiders might be non-competitive and even they could field a good team. Chargers and Chiefs are tough outs.

[NorthHawk]

He’s gone from the best division in the NFC to the best division in the AFC.
It should be fun to watch them beat each other up, though.

[RiverDog]

He’s gone from the best division in the NFC to the best division in the AFC. It should be fun to watch them beat each other up, though.

Odd thing is that he might end up being the 3rd best QB in that division.

[obiken]

He’s gone from the best division in the NFC to the best division in the AFC.
It should be fun to watch them beat each other up, though.

Armstrong just flipped on the Cowboys, to the Broncos. Jones one of the most underrated defensive lineman went from the 49ers to the Broncos, more and more forces are gathering around Russell Wilson in Denver. So if you guys think that Russell Wilson is washed up the players know and they’re not buying it.

[NorthHawk]

Where are you getting the washed up narrative?

[obiken]

Where are you getting the washed up narrative?

Oh really H? It just came over Colin cowherd that Russell Wilson is trying to recruit Bobby Wagner to the Broncos! They will have Chubb, Armstrong, Jones, and Wagner, beat all that was a hockey stick eh!

[mykc14]

Armstrong just flipped on the Cowboys, to the Broncos. Jones one of the most underrated defensive lineman went from the 49ers to the Broncos, more and more forces are gathering around Russell Wilson in Denver. So if you guys think that Russell Wilson is washed up the players know and they’re not buying it.

The Broncos have RW at a very nice cap number over the next two years as he is only accounting for 10% and 12% of the cap. The Broncos should extend him early so they can lower that cap even more. The have flexibility to build a winning roster around him that the Hawks didn't, which is why trading for a solid veteran QB isn't a terrible idea. While the Broncos are spending money building a roster around RW the Hawks are using over 10% of their cap to cover dead money owed to Wilson. Thankfully that dead money is only a one year issue for us.

[Aseahawkfan]

Armstrong just flipped on the Cowboys, to the Broncos. Jones one of the most underrated defensive lineman went from the 49ers to the Broncos, more and more forces are gathering around Russell Wilson in Denver. So if you guys think that Russell Wilson is washed up the players know and they’re not buying it.

Russell Wilson makes the Broncos an attractive contender. The lack of a QB makes us a non-competitive non-contender that players looking to win won't sign to be here unless we pay extra.

[NorthHawk]

Yah, the folly of losing a franchise QB.

[Hawktawk]

When this went down I said bless your heart Russ thanks for the memories . I’ll root for you when we’re not playing . Then all the garbage comes out about how his “team” ranked 14 potential landing spots based on various factors to decide where @ they “ wanted to demand a trade to . Then I hear it was so bad JS and Mark Rodgers were dropping FBombs on one another . Wilson unveiled a clothing line with orange accents a few weeks after his “ oh I love Seattle , I hope I’m here . I want to win 3 or 4 more super bowls and I hope it’s here . “ that stuff was being made .


I’d like to retract my statements . I hope he blows . I hope he sucks so bad he suck starts a Harley . And imo he is the 3rd most capable QB in the division . Based on last year he’s a hell of a lot closer to Carr than Mahomes . 3 years ago he was Mahomes equal . Now it’s not close . He got beat by Ryan Tannehill , Kirk Cousins , Taylor Heinikin , and Colt McCoy not to mention Nick Foles . That’s 5 of his 8 losses as a starter . He was a major factor in every one of those losses . Good luck facing Bosa and Mack twice a year along with a kid that’s twice as dangerous as you . Mahomes x2 hell I’ll get my popcorn when they play the raiders and the QB Russ wanted to take his job and said it publicly . Carr has some grit , some fire .

If Wilson never wins again I’m cool with it . The hell with him . I feel like a guy that was married 10 years and found out my wife was sleeping with everybody BUT me the last 3 years .

I’ll be surprised if they win 9 games next year with mr hit too much . He’s playing like it more all the time.
I said after his comments a year ago trade him now . Chicago had an enormous package offered . JS walked it back and we had a 35 million dollar head case that went 6-8 and lost trade value .
Probably belongs in the vent thread but oh well I’m sorry . Not

[RiverDog]

When this went down I said bless your heart Russ thanks for the memories . I’ll root for you when we’re not playing . Then all the garbage comes out about how his “team” ranked 14 potential landing spots based on various factors to decide where @ they “ wanted to demand a trade to . Then I hear it was so bad JS and Mark Rodgers were dropping FBombs on one another . Wilson unveiled a clothing line with orange accents a few weeks after his “ oh I love Seattle , I hope I’m here . I want to win 3 or 4 more super bowls and I hope it’s here . “ that stuff was being made .


I’d like to retract my statements . I hope he blows . I hope he sucks so bad he suck starts a Harley . And imo he is the 3rd most capable QB in the division . Based on last year he’s a hell of a lot closer to Carr than Mahomes . 3 years ago he was Mahomes equal . Now it’s not close . He got beat by Ryan Tannehill , Kirk Cousins , Taylor Heinikin , and Colt McCoy not to mention Nick Foles . That’s 5 of his 8 losses as a starter . He was a major factor in every one of those losses . Good luck facing Bosa and Mack twice a year along with a kid that’s twice as dangerous as you . Mahomes x2 hell I’ll get my popcorn when they play the raiders and the QB Russ wanted to take his job and said it publicly . Carr has some grit , some fire .

If Wilson never wins again I’m cool with it . The hell with him . I feel like a guy that was married 10 years and found out my wife was sleeping with everybody BUT me the last 3 years .

I’ll be surprised if they win 9 games next year with mr hit too much . He’s playing like it more all the time.
I said after his comments a year ago trade him now . Chicago had an enormous package offered . JS walked it back and we had a 35 million dollar head case that went 6-8 and lost trade value .
Probably belongs in the vent thread but oh well I’m sorry . Not

I don't harbor the same angst that you obviously do, but I completely understand where you are coming from. As I've said countless times over the span of nearly two decades of online participation in venues like this one, I have very little emotional investment in any of our players and coaches no matter how good of a guy they seem to be. So even if I take your version of events to be 100% accurate, and I have no reason to believe that they aren't, it neither comes as a shock to me nor am I outraged. I wasn't going to root for Russell to do well even before these revelations, not because I don't like him but he doesn't play for my team anymore. I will root for his team to lose this season as it will determine our draft order.

That doesn't mean that I hate Russell, to the contrary. I still have a great deal of respect and admiration for him even if all of what your saying is true, and again, I'm not doubting you. I just don't worship him.

[Aseahawkfan]

I root for Seattle, not players in the NFL. Only player I ever followed was Michael Jordan because he was the most amazing athlete I've ever seen with my own eyes and the only athlete I would have liked to stepped into his body and mind for a short time just to see how someone like that ticks.

The NFL is a business. My team has changed coaches and QBs many times in my life. Russ, The Legion of Boom, and Pete Carroll gave me some great times in football. I'll always appreciate that.

But once you're gone, you're gone. I move on to the next iteration of the team. I like seeing a new team develop. It's fun. Seeing who will step up to the table to seek glory in victory on the football field.

I'm ready to go through that enjoyable process again to see if Seattle can build another Super Bowl team.

[obiken]

HT what do you expect the guy to do, he wants titles, not BS. I agree that information was nauseating, but not shocking. I think your going to be surprised, I think he will rock in Denver. Remember one ugly stat about Russ, he has never averaged less than 21 points a game with bad weapons. All of the final Playoff teams, had the same stat. As our defense got progressively worse he stayed the same, with all the moves Denver has made in the last 2 days, the Broncos have massively closed the gap between them and the Chiefs.

[NorthHawk]

I don't know why you were shocked, HT but that information was out there for the last year or more.
Some of us were trying to talk about it, but many were just dismissive or didn't want to believe it to be true.
With all of the changes to the defensive coaching staff and the trading of Wilson, maybe there was more to the meeting with Jody than
just the platitudes that Pete said about it being a normal season ending meeting. Trading Russ must have been discussed because it's
a momentous change for a team - and that's not normal so what else may have been in the works? We'll probably never know.

[TriCitySam]

You probably read press releases from Jody, Pete and John. While thanking Russell for his service, they also said RW Wanted it. RW says he didn't initiate it. Given the comments last year by Russell and his agent, I suspect the former is true. There was a good article earlier this week, laying out what transpired over the past couple years. Sounds pretty close to the truth, dissatisfaction on both sides.

[Aseahawkfan]

We'll probably never know fully what happened to create this rift between Russ and Pete, but obviously neither side wanted to stay with other. Fact is both sides had the ability to stop this just as Green Bay stopped Aaron Rodgers from leaving and other teams have stopped their franchise QBs from leaving with tags. Russ had a no trade clause, so if he wasn't ok to move to Denver then he could have stopped it. So this was a mutual parting of the ways no matter how either side tries to frame it. Both had tools to stay in place, neither side used them.

[NorthHawk]

From what I heard from Pete in their press conference, Russell wanted to move to a team he thought had a better chance to win.
I'm sure he's seen the huge decline in talent on the Seahawks and the lack of creativity on Offense must have been frustrating.
Now he goes to a team with a progressive Offense and a good Defense where he will have the full support for his ideas to make
the Offense run better.

[TriCitySam]

From what I heard from Pete in their press conference, Russell wanted to move to a team he thought had a better chance to win.
I'm sure he's seen the huge decline in talent on the Seahawks and the lack of creativity on Offense must have been frustrating.
Now he goes to a team with a progressive Offense and a good Defense where he will have the full support for his ideas to make
the Offense run better.

The article lays out some divides. Yes, Pete was unhappy with 7 picks over 2 games and wanted a more balanced attack. I get that entirely. RW wanted to manage his “legacy” and that included running the offense the way he wanted, input into personnel, had his own team to manage his training and own QB coach. Feeling within the organization was that RW was me, not we. And we heard some of that from current and former players. I understand why the coaching staff wasn’t happy, and to a certain extent why RW wanted changes. But, if he wasn’t bought “in”, better to split. I don’t know of a team that allowed the QB to dictate, and certainly a winning team.

[Aseahawkfan]

The article lays out some divides. Yes, Pete was unhappy with 7 picks over 2 games and wanted a more balanced attack. I get that entirely. RW wanted to manage his “legacy” and that included running the offense the way he wanted, input into personnel, had his own team to manage his training and own QB coach. Feeling within the organization was that RW was me, not we. And we heard some of that from current and former players. I understand why the coaching staff wasn’t happy, and to a certain extent why RW wanted changes. But, if he wasn’t bought “in”, better to split. I don’t know of a team that allowed the QB to dictate, and certainly a winning team.

I don't believe Russell Wilson was trying to dictate. Anyone can see this team is not what it used to be and the HC and GM aren't replenishing lost talent. If Russ lost faith in the HC's and GM's ability to build the team to win and Pete and John still have the power to decide they're more right than the QB, then the parting was mutual. Right now Pete and John still have the power even though they have been the ones losing year after year after year and Pete is the one approved the call that lost them the second Super Bowl and has to sign off on all the trades. Pete runs the team. It's what he had placed in his contract as part of his agreement to come back to the NFL. No one but the owner can override Pete.

Not the GM. Not the QB. Not anyone in the Seattle organization. The power structure in Seattle is Owner then Pete Carroll.

So this idea that Russ was trying to dictate is not accurate. Pete runs the show, top to bottom. It's why when John Schneider doesn't agree, they have to meet the owner because the owner is the only one who can say no to Pete Carroll, the GM John Schneider cannot say no without the owner's approval.

I don't know why anyone at this point doesn't understand the Seahawks power structure when Pete talked about it when he first signed his contract with Seattle. He is the Seahawks right now. He signs off on everything with no one but the owner over him.

When are the fans going to set the failure where it belongs? That is with the head coach and Executive VP of Football Operations Pete Carroll. The show starts and stops with Pete.

[c_hawkbob]

Green Bay has been bending over backwards to keep their diva QB happy for a decade. Pete bristled at doing similarly with a somewhat less of a diva QB of his own. The difference is in a coaching philosophy and which side the owners come down on.

I'd still rather have dumped Pete and kept Russ.