We're in full rebuild mode...let's do this

[Hawktawk]

We have 3 wild card wins in 7 years since the worst play in Seahawks history . We haven’t won Jack with Russ since 2014. Like Irsay said of Manning in the day “ Star Wars numbers and very little to show for it “ well? If we’re ok with getting to the playoffs and maybe winning a game like one in the last 5 years then cool . Asea I know you love Wilson and so do I but he’s not the same guy he was . 3 years ago I would not trade him for anyone . Now he’s top 10 but not top 5 . Not worth 50 million a year . He left . That’s not PC or JS fault . He dictated the terms as the Commanders offered 3 first rounders . Let’s see how he does in Denver .

We went to 2 Super Bowls playing Pete ball . At the end of the second one Russ cooked till he didn’t and I don’t think he or Carroll have ever been the same . I know they haven’t won squat that matters since . Rodgers gets blasted for losing in the conference champion while we can’t win a divisional .

. I just see no sense in PC hanging around for a rebuild . I don’t think it’s their mindset . It may not matter but I’m strangely optimistic about the future .

[NorthHawk]

Here’s a link to Cowherd talking to Greg Olsen about Russ going to Denver.
I took particular notice of his comments about game planning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCJ7DAoKqmo

[Hawktawk]

I don't think that's true and I don't think the evidence supports that league GMs believe that either.
There's a reason there were 12 suitors for Russ - good QB's are necessary to succeed.

The only 2 teams who are confirmed to have made an offer for Russell this offseason were Denver and the Commanders. There is speculation about Philly but no evidence an offer was made. That's not 12. Its 2 unless that was a misprint. Last year when Rodgers compiled a list of 4 teams Russ would play for including 2 with established QBs in place in Dak and Carr the only team known to have put forth an actual trade offer was the Bears. MOF we got 2 first rounders instead of 3, 2 seconds, a fifh, a very good player, a good player, and a QB who has proven he can play in the league. AND we gave up a 4th rounder. Not too good for a franchise QB IMO.

Ill be really curios how Russ does in a new surrounding with Rogers old QB coach as his coach. Your not getting Arod buddy. you're getting a fart in the wind. How he does without Lockette when hes bailed out of the first read and needs a security blanket. Denver should trade for him. I wonder how he does seeing Herbert , Mahomes and Carr twice a year. Carr might have a bit more motivation than most.

[Hawktawk]

Here’s a link to Cowherd talking to Greg Olsen about Russ going to Denver.
I took particular notice of his comments about game planning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCJ7DAoKqmo

Yes I caught that. The question is why?

[NorthHawk]

Yes I caught that. The question is why?

That's Pete ball.
Last year there was a question about how to win games and Pete said he would like to keep it close and then win at the end with a score of around
23-17. Russ when told about that comment said why don't we score 23 in the first half?
That's a complete opposite philosophy and it seems frustrating for a QB who knows he can do a whole lot more.
I don't blame him for wanting out.

[Aseahawkfan]

We have 3 wild card wins in 7 years since the worst play in Seahawks history . We haven’t won Jack with Russ since 2014. Like Irsay said of Manning in the day “ Star Wars numbers and very little to show for it “ well? If we’re ok with getting to the playoffs and maybe winning a game like one in the last 5 years then cool . Asea I know you love Wilson and so do I but he’s not the same guy he was . 3 years ago I would not trade him for anyone . Now he’s top 10 but not top 5 . Not worth 50 million a year . He left . That’s not PC or JS fault . He dictated the terms as the Commanders offered 3 first rounders . Let’s see how he does in Denver .

We went to 2 Super Bowls playing Pete ball . At the end of the second one Russ cooked till he didn’t and I don’t think he or Carroll have ever been the same . I know they haven’t won squat that matters since . Rodgers gets blasted for losing in the conference champion while we can’t win a divisional .

. I just see no sense in PC hanging around for a rebuild . I don’t think it’s their mindset . It may not matter but I’m strangely optimistic about the future .

And we haven't won jack with Pete and John during that same time period. Or with Bobby. Or with anyone.

And tell me who Pete and John have drafted or signed that has been absolutely amazing beyond the WRs who had a pro bowl QB throwing to them?

Why do you keep giving Pete and John a pass? Pete is pretty much running the team. John is doing the drafting. Why was the only unit performing well the passing? Since 2017, the offense started carrying the team until last year when Russ was hurt.

So not really sure why you keep acting like Russ isn't the main reason we made the playoffs, while Pete and John's crappy roster management is why the defense fell apart, the run game has been inconsistent, and we haven't replenished lost talent.

So I disagree. I do think it is Pete and John's fault that this team has reached this point. I think they've done a bad roster management job and it isn't going to change.

I think you're going to be finding that out soon enough that the only thing keeping this team playoff competitive was Russ.

[Stream Hawk]

I would love it if they went full-bore rebuild*. I personally need to remember my thinking the last few seasons+ when we were clearly outmatched by the top teams. The need to blow the whole damn thing up just seemed so obvious. Here’s our chance. Now thx to the trade we have some wiggle room for the first time in forever. A fresh coaching staff should help as well.
*=Given a certain someone’s age, it might be best to go for it like Belichick did in 2020/11, PC & JS in 2011/12. In other words try to remain competitive with some fresh talent and serious ceiling upside.

[NorthHawk]

I have a nagging feeling that we are going to sit on the sidelines for the first week while the best talent that could be building blocks are
signed away and then try to make a championship team out of castoffs. It's the pattern we've seen the last 8 or so years and a big part of
why there was such a talent drain from Seattle over that time frame.

[RiverDog]

I have a nagging feeling that we are going to sit on the sidelines for the first week while the best talent that could be building blocks are signed away and then try to make a championship team out of castoffs. It's the pattern we've seen the last 8 or so years and a big part of
why there was such a talent drain from Seattle over that time frame.

It's the same arrogance that Pete and John display in the draft, where we almost always trade down to accumulate lower picks. They truly believe that they can spin straw into gold.

[Stream Hawk]

Yeah plus I don’t understand where their egos are coming from. Gloating about a Super Bowl you made a decade ago doesn’t work anymore. We have been mediocre or worse the last few years. As I said in another post, we get exposed every time we play a real team.

[RiverDog]

Yeah plus I don’t understand where their egos are coming from. Gloating about a Super Bowl you made a decade ago doesn’t work anymore. We have been mediocre or worse the last few years. As I said in another post, we get exposed every time we play a real team.

We've made some very peculiar selections over the years. Bruce Irvin was rated no higher than the third round, yet we take him with the #15 overall with Fletcher Cox still on the board, and even James Carpenter's coach, Nick Saban, said he was surprised at how high Carpenter was taken. Christine Michael, Germain Ifedi, Rashaad Penny, LJ Collier, and Malik McDowell, all were taken well above where they were projected to go.

[NorthHawk]

I can’t put much stock in the rankings. Nobody really knows if other teams had players ranked high or not.
What does bother me is obvious players that can help at positions of need are passed by. Players that
have shown high levels of productivity in college rather than any type of ranking by people who aren’t
looking at what type of player would fit our system. They are generic rankings that don’t fit all teams.

[RiverDog]

I can’t put much stock in the rankings. Nobody really knows if other teams had players ranked high or not.
What does bother me is obvious players that can help at positions of need are passed by. Players that
have shown high levels of productivity in college rather than any type of ranking by people who aren’t
looking at what type of player would fit our system. They are generic rankings that don’t fit all teams.

That's true, but going away from conventional wisdom doesn't seem to be the pattern for other teams as much as it does for us.