Watson/QB's

[TriCitySam]

So, the Grand Jury declined to indict Watson. We are left to debate what is our best strategy (we don't know, but love to guess):

Other than Watson, and maybe Huntley, no real long term QB appears on the Horizon.

So then, you can look at the weak '22 QB class, or a stronger '23 class. That requires a short term option:

Geno
Lock
Mariota
Minshew
Bridgewater
Kappernick

What's your temperature?

[NorthHawk]

I just responded in another thread and said the Browns have apparently done their
homework on Watson. Watson also wants to go to a team with a good OL and has
a chance to go to the playoffs.
So if they sign Watson, we trade for Mayfield- if the compensation isn’t too much.
He’d be OK for a couple of years until we find our new starting QB. His salary
next year is only $18M.

[NorthHawk]

Double post.

[TriCitySam]

I just responded in another thread and said the Browns have apparently done their
homework on Watson. Watson also wants to go to a team with a good OL and has
a chance to go to the playoffs.
So if they sign Watson, we trade for Mayfield- if the compensation isn’t too much.
He’d be OK for a couple of years until we find our new starting QB. His salary
next year is only $18M.

There was multiple subjects there, so I put the QB question out separately (right or wrong). Mayfield is an interesting option. What we don't know is how much work JS/PC has done on Watson.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'd rather just go back to basics and build up from scratch. Then try to find a guy once we know the other parts are good unless someone becomes available that surprises us. I don't see much use in trading for or trying to recycle some backup QB.

I definitely don't want Watson. I don't like slimy as the face of the Seahawks.

[NorthHawk]

Something I forgot about Watson is he may be subject to NFL discipline and could be
suspended regardless of the legal outcome. It may mean teams won’t try to trade for
him or offer a lot less in compensation with that hanging over his head.

[NorthHawk]

I'd rather just go back to basics and build up from scratch. Then try to find a guy once we know the other parts are good unless someone becomes available that surprises us. I don't see much use in trading for or trying to recycle some backup QB.

I definitely don't want Watson. I don't like slimy as the face of the Seahawks.

I’ve waffled back and forth with this.
On the one hand these next two drafts could allow us to build the foundation of a real strong team.
On the other hand we’ve only had one top tier QB in our history in his prime so they are real hard
to get and there’s no guarantee we will find another one via the draft.

[RiverDog]

So, the Grand Jury declined to indict Watson. We are left to debate what is our best strategy (we don't know, but love to guess):

Other than Watson, and maybe Huntley, no real long term QB appears on the Horizon.

So then, you can look at the weak '22 QB class, or a stronger '23 class. That requires a short term option:

Geno
Lock
Mariota
Minshew
Bridgewater
Kappernick

What's your temperature?

Here's my ranking: 1. Mariota. 2. Minshew. 3. Lock. 4. Geno. 5. Bridgewater. 6. Kaeperprick.

Although he's not one of my top choices, Garoppolo is available, too, and is likely a better choice than Bridgewater or Kaeperprick.

[Aseahawkfan]

I’ve waffled back and forth with this.
On the one hand these next two drafts could allow us to build the foundation of a real strong team.
On the other hand we’ve only had one top tier QB in our history in his prime so they are real hard
to get and there’s no guarantee we will find another one via the draft.

Eagles won with Wentz and that other guy with a great defense.

Broncos won with Peyton Manning a shell of his former self and a great defense.

Rams won with a great defense and Stafford.

Ravens won a Super Bowl with a great defense and Flacco and before that Dilfer.

Pittsburgh won with a great defense, Ben R before he was any good, and the refs.

New York Giants won twice with Eli Manning and a great defense.

You can win with a great team and a good enough QB. The only QBs to win multiple Super Bowls are Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Ben R in the past twenty years. Tom Brady did it by taking less money to have a better team around him as the primary differentiator between him and many of his peers. Ben R has two rings, one many Seattle fans feel he doesn't even deserve and one he squeaked out against Arizona. Peyton got the second ring barely playing the year they won and not doing much in the Super Bowl as their defense won the game.

I'd rather take my chances building a great team, then get a QB that is good enough. Pete is 70 years old. He not staying around much longer. He wants a chance at a 2nd ring, he gonna need to back to what got him there.

[RiverDog]

The only QBs to win multiple Super Bowls are Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Ben R in the past twenty years.

You forgot about Eli.

[Aseahawkfan]

You forgot about Eli.

You're right. And once again a great defense for a QB who was above average, but never a Super Star.

[NorthHawk]

With the exception of Dilfer that list were all high first round picks and were better QBs
than any of ours outside of Wilson. They were all able to elevate their game when required
in order to win the big one. We never had another that could do that.

[Aseahawkfan]

With the exception of Dilfer that list were all high first round picks and were better QBs
than any of ours outside of Wilson. They were all able to elevate their game when required
in order to win the big one. We never had another that could do that.

Peyton was not that when he won his second Super Bowl.

If Eli hadn't had that crazy pass rush, they don't beat the Patriots. Brady was far better than Eli.

Ben R? I don't know. That 2005 Super Bowl was gift-wrapped against us. I think he was the first QB to win a Super Bowl with an under 30 QB rating. He had a 22.6 QB rating. He threw 2 ints and no TDs. Had one rushing TD that on video showed he did not get in.

Sure, they were 1st round picks, but hardly high performing QBs in at least one of their Super Bowls.

And they also had amazing teams around them.

[obiken]

Here's my ranking: 1. Mariota. 2. Minshew. 3. Lock. 4. Geno. 5. Bridgewater. 6. Kaeperprick.

Although he's not one of my top choices, Garoppolo is available, too, and is likely a better choice than Bridgewater or Kaeperprick.

I love MM as a duck, but NO on them ALL!! The Niners would never let JG go to us in the same division. River I am sorry but I am too old to go back to the Jon Kitna, Kelly Stouffer, Rick Mier, need I go on! How many 1st round picks did we waste on QB's and they never panned out?? In fact not one good one we have EVER had that was a first rounder drafted by us! Sorry, If we have to wait fine, or if we go for broke on DW, okay, I am not thrilled about it, but hoping some numbnut will pan out is not remotely on my bucket list at 66 years old!!

[NorthHawk]

Peyton was not that when he won his second Super Bowl.

If Eli hadn't had that crazy pass rush, they don't beat the Patriots. Brady was far better than Eli.

Ben R? I don't know. That 2005 Super Bowl was gift-wrapped against us. I think he was the first QB to win a Super Bowl with an under 30 QB rating. He had a 22.6 QB rating. He threw 2 ints and no TDs. Had one rushing TD that on video showed he did not get in.

Sure, they were 1st round picks, but hardly high performing QBs in at least one of their Super Bowls.

And they also had amazing teams around them.

Having great teams around them. That's how QB's win and that's how Brady got all of his rings. But that's another argument.

Roethlisberger will be in the Hof. Eli might as well.
Peyton wasn't the same player for sure, but he had the field generalship to get it done and like all QBs was able to come up with the big play when needed.

But all of them with the exception of Dilfer/Foles were great QBs and carried that with them when they won even if they weren't anywhere near their prime.

[Hawktawk]

1. Minshew. Hes got swag and hes got some unreal stat like 35 TDs and 11 picks in the league. Mobile enough. Fearless, too fearless sometimes. Fumbles seem to be an issue at times.

2. Geno Smith. He proved over his little stint that hes capable of playing efficient MOSTLY error free football RIVER . He has a tremendously powerful arm and seems accurate these days as he completed a higher percentage of his passes and a higher percentage of passes for TDs including 4 to DK than Wilson . No picks STARTING and in the 3 games I watched maybe only a ball or 2 that could have been. PC likes him enough to overlook his DUI and unruly conduct, praised him highly after the Jax game. So did Diggs and especially DK who said after the game "I've never had a ball like that" referring to the bullet at the pylon with Griffin in good position. High draft pick, younger than Wilson, very low mileage , cheap and clearly a much better ballplayer than in his early days. Hes the best win now option, he knows the offense and the players and is indeed popular on the team. So bring it on everyone.

3 Drew Locke. Hes our guy now, hes a potential bust or a potential Josh Allen or something in between. Lets find out. He could be used in the read option, can probably convert a QB sneak, hes got a cannon arm but inaccurate which can be worked on. JS loved him out of college. He didn't have DK in Denver. He didn't have Penney either.

4 Mariota. He seems like a soft injury prone inconsistent guy but maybe I haven't looked at the numbers that closely. An athlete more than a QB.I just say Meh, what the hell has the guy done with all his opportunities?

5 Bridgewater. Pete ball on steroids. A very bland mediocre QB which is one reason Russ is in Denver.

I dont have a 6 . I like Mayfield, I could live with Carr . Really upset if they bring in Watson but I root for the rag, not the face so Ill cheer the team if hes winning. he could be our own rapelburger
I dont want Kap under any circumstances. I believe he brought a cancer to the league that p@ssed off a lot of people. A QB is a leader, a field general. You cant do that when your kneeling I dont give a flying F what your cause is. Keep it out of the workplace . Pig socks and praising Castro TOTAL head case
We would lose fans if he were brought in. Besides he hasn't played in 5 years and Richard Sherman lived rent free in his head when he was. Like Tebow in another way. Not good enough to put up with the rabid posse with a mediocre game in Tebow's case and not good enough to put up with the anti fan BS of Kap. HELL NO!!Id sign Tebow first. At least Id get RW character. But again whoever it is I root for the rag not the face or the name or number. It will be interesting to watch.

[RiverDog]

1. Minshew. Hes got swag and hes got some unreal stat like 35 TDs and 11 picks in the league. Mobile enough. Fearless, too fearless sometimes. Fumbles seem to be an issue at times.

2. Geno Smith. He proved over his little stint that hes capable of playing efficient MOSTLY error free football RIVER . He has a tremendously powerful arm and seems accurate these days as he completed a higher percentage of his passes and a higher percentage of passes for TDs including 4 to DK than Wilson . No picks STARTING and in the 3 games I watched maybe only a ball or 2 that could have been. PC likes him enough to overlook his DUI and unruly conduct, praised him highly after the Jax game. So did Diggs and especially DK who said after the game "I've never had a ball like that" referring to the bullet at the pylon with Griffin in good position. High draft pick, younger than Wilson, very low mileage , cheap and clearly a much better ballplayer than in his early days. Hes the best win now option, he knows the offense and the players and is indeed popular on the team. So bring it on everyone.

3 Drew Locke. Hes our guy now, hes a potential bust or a potential Josh Allen or something in between. Lets find out. He could be used in the read option, can probably convert a QB sneak, hes got a cannon arm but inaccurate which can be worked on. JS loved him out of college. He didn't have DK in Denver. He didn't have Penney either.

4 Mariota. He seems like a soft injury prone inconsistent guy but maybe I haven't looked at the numbers that closely. An athlete more than a QB.I just say Meh, what the hell has the guy done with all his opportunities?

5 Bridgewater. Pete ball on steroids. A very bland mediocre QB which is one reason Russ is in Denver.

I dont have a 6 . I like Mayfield, I could live with Carr . Really upset if they bring in Watson but I root for the rag, not the face so Ill cheer the team if hes winning. he could be our own rapelburger
I dont want Kap under any circumstances. I believe he brought a cancer to the league that p@ssed off a lot of people. A QB is a leader, a field general. You cant do that when your kneeling I dont give a flying F what your cause is. Keep it out of the workplace . Pig socks and praising Castro TOTAL head case
We would lose fans if he were brought in. Besides he hasn't played in 5 years and Richard Sherman lived rent free in his head when he was. Like Tebow in another way. Not good enough to put up with the rabid posse with a mediocre game in Tebow's case and not good enough to put up with the anti fan BS of Kap. HELL NO!!Id sign Tebow first. At least Id get RW character. But again whoever it is I root for the rag not the face or the name or number. It will be interesting to watch.

Minshew, Carr, and Mayfield are under contract, meaning we'd have to trade for them, and I don't want to give up more draft choices for veteran players. Been there, done that. I want to see us use those picks to rebuild our offensive and defensive lines. Mariota is a free agent, so I see no reason why we couldn't bring him in to compete. Seems like a low risk, high reward type of a move.

[trents]

Whoever is the QB there will still be the problem with Pete ball. Players come and go. Assistant coaches come and go. But Pete's still there and he is still wedded to outdated offensive strategies. RW stuck it out for 10 years hoping for change. But it never came and so he moved on while still having a few years of playing time left in his body. The biggest obstacle to Seahawk success is still in place.

[TriCitySam]

I’ve waffled back and forth with this.
On the one hand these next two drafts could allow us to build the foundation of a real strong team.
On the other hand we’ve only had one top tier QB in our history in his prime so they are real hard
to get and there’s no guarantee we will find another one via the draft.

I may have an old pair of waffle stompers in my closet, and should probably get them out. I would never trade for Watson if he's guilty of any misconduct, and one would have to think he is.....but with 21 coming in to testify, the GJ couldn't find cause? They're all handled by the same attorney, so it makes me wonder what happened. And were these licensed massage therapists or the other variety? Don't know.

When they came on board they drafted OL first and got RW a couple years later. A difficult task to repeat, but if you have the draft capital you can’t say that JS/PC can't do it again. And, according to reports JS was in love with Mahomes and Allen - if possible he would have made a move to get them. So that tells me two things: 1) he's got an eye for great QB's and 2) the concerns or issues with RW preceded 2021. Now I know some say JS shouldn't be looking at other QB's, but I think that's his job and as I heard the other day, Belichick doesn't fall in love with anybody and will move on if skill drops or $ are too high. Kinda what you've got to do in that spot.

Unless there's a sleeper that JS knows about, I too am of the belief you strengthen the D and OL and then go for the QB. So, I don't see any of them as a solution - I'd probably enjoy watching Minshew the most - but do the best with what you can get cheap and focus $ and draft capital on the future. By that time will I be selling my Charter Seats to fund my last days? Depends.

[RiverDog]

I would never trade for Watson if he's guilty of any misconduct, and one would have to think he is.....but with 21 coming in to testify, the GJ couldn't find cause? They're all handled by the same attorney, so it makes me wonder what happened. And were these licensed massage therapists or the other variety? Don't know.

The 21...and to be precise, it was 22...witnesses weren't part of the criminal accusations against Watson, they were part of the civil lawsuit. Only 8 of them were willing to testify in the criminal investigation, but even that number is a lot. I don't think that they make known to the public the specific details about the witnesses, but it seems logical to assume that they were engaged in a front for prostitution. Half of massage parlors are just that. I can't think of any other reason why with so many witnesses willing to testify that they wouldn't proceed to a trial.

When they came on board they drafted OL first and got RW a couple years later. A difficult task to repeat, but if you have the draft capital you can say that JS/PC can't do it again. And, according to reports JS was in love with Mahomes and Allen - if possible he would have made a move to get them. So that tells me two things: 1) he's got an eye for great QB's and 2) the concerns or issues with RW preceded 2021. Now I know some say JS shouldn't be looking at other QB's, but I think that's his job and as I heard the other day, Belichick doesn't fall in love with anybody and will move on if skill drops or $ are too high. Kinda what you've got to do in that spot.

Unless there's a sleeper that JS knows about, I too am of the belief you strengthen the D and OL and then go for the QB. So, I don't see any of them as a solution - I'd probably enjoy watching Minshew the most - but do the best with what you can get cheap and focus $ and draft capital on the future. By that time will I be selling my Charter Seats to fund my last days? Depends.

Good post, and I agree with your line of thought.

[NorthHawk]

After the last few years with the draft selections and trades, I don't have much confidence they can recapture the magic from 2010 and the
next few drafts.

Regarding JS looking at other QBs in the draft? Of course he should. All it takes is one hit on the field or one mistake in life and that player you had counted on
isn't available. It's the Boy Scout motto: Be prepared.

[Aseahawkfan]

Having great teams around them. That's how QB's win and that's how Brady got all of his rings. But that's another argument.

Roethlisberger will be in the Hof. Eli might as well.
Peyton wasn't the same player for sure, but he had the field generalship to get it done and like all QBs was able to come up with the big play when needed.

But all of them with the exception of Dilfer/Foles were great QBs and carried that with them when they won even if they weren't anywhere near their prime.

I watched the Giants. Eli did not carry that team. The Giants won because of an unreal pass rush that shut down one of the greatest offenses and teams in NFL history the first time. The second time they still had that pass rush. Same as Seattle crushed Peyton Manning and the Broncos because of a ridiculous once in franchise history defense.

It's not an argument to say a QB won because they had a great team around them. I just listed how every single QB in NFL history won Super Bowls with great teams around them from the multiple winners to the Dilfer's. Having a great team around you is a requirement for winning a Super Bowl.

Brady is Brady because he won seven rings.

Saying a QB had a great team around them to win means nothing. Patrick Mahomes had a great team around him. Peyton Manning had a great team around. Aaron Rodgers had a great team around him. Troy Aikman and Joe Montana had great teams around them.

You're not saying anything when you make that argument. It's literally a requirement for winning a Super Bowl. I can't think of a QB who won a Super Bowl without a great team around them.

But even with great teams around them, no one has won seven times. You don't seem to acknowledge for "reasons" that doing something of this caliber requires more than having a great team around you.

[Aseahawkfan]

Whoever is the QB there will still be the problem with Pete ball. Players come and go. Assistant coaches come and go. But Pete's still there and he is still wedded to outdated offensive strategies. RW stuck it out for 10 years hoping for change. But it never came and so he moved on while still having a few years of playing time left in his body. The biggest obstacle to Seahawk success is still in place.

Pete isn't wedded to outdated offensive strategies. What he does wins, but it's hard to execute because of the need for a strong run game and defense. If you're paying a QB 20% of your cap, hard to have a great defense and run game.

Pete Ball will literally always be a winning strategy if you can execute it. But if your defense falls apart and you can't replenish the talent in the draft, then kind of hard to run a ball control offense with a bad defense and inconsistent run game.

I don't mind Pete Ball at all. Well executed Pete Ball is the best way to win a Super Bowl. It's been shown to be that way in the playoffs time and time again which is why playoff games are all lower scoring affairs with defenses taking away key pieces.

Even in the Super Bowl it was the Rams defense that made the biggest difference holding the score down so Stafford could win with 23 points. The Bengals were hardly a high flying passing team. They got to the Super Bowl because their defense stepped up huge in the playoffs.

Pete and John were not able to maintain the team the way he likes to play. Our defense was weak. And our run game was inconsistent. That type of team doesn't win Super Bowls. High flying passing teams may win regular season games, but a high flying passing team that goes into playoffs flames out when every weak they go against strong defenses and they have no run game or defense to compete.

[TriCitySam]

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[RiverDog]

Watson traded to Philly....

Link?

[TriCitySam]

Link?

Well, thats a darn good question. In Palm Desert, was by the pool and got a notification on my phone about a Hurts/Watson trade. It was a tweet, and can find nothing about it. My apologies, It must have been bogus tweet, not sure why I got a push notification. Should have looked further.

In the end, only 1 testified

[Stream Hawk]

There’s a lot of fake news out there right now. If Watson was traded to Philadelphia we all would have known by now. I think he will go to Carolina or NYG.

I’m warming up to the Mariota option. It’s essential that we build from within like San Francisco did. Oline and Dline first. Watson would be a mistake. Even if he did not have the baggage (22 women can’t all be lying), why trade away Russ for all of that capital to just get someone basically similar?

We are not one quarterback away. I wish many folks would just let that sink in!

[RiverDog]

There’s a lot of fake news out there right now. If Watson was traded to Philadelphia we all would have known by now. I think he will go to Carolina or NYG.

I’m warming up to the Mariota option. It’s essential that we build from within like San Francisco did. Oline and Dline first. Watson would be a mistake. Even if he did not have the baggage (22 women can’t all be lying), why trade away Russ for all of that capital to just get someone basically similar?

We are not one quarterback away. I wish many folks would just let that sink in!

I'm on board with Mariota, too. He's a free agent that won't cost us any draft capital and he has a very high ceiling. Like you said, we're more than just a QB away from contending, and we need those picks we got from Denver to rebuild our lines.

I hope the hell we stay away from Watson. As many teams that are interested, he's going to be expensive. We'll lose half of what we got for Russell.

[Stream Hawk]

My friend also told me that DW was traded to Philadelphia recently. I can’t find it anywhere on Twitter. She may be a bit slow on Internet uptick.

[NorthHawk]

If it was true it would probably be on ESPN by now, but nothing so far.
One thing for sure if we do get him it means no proper rebuild, just more patchwork
moves to try to be relevant.

[RiverDog]

Here's an article that discusses some of the QB options available to us, broken down to free agency, the draft, and in house. Hawktalk, better brace yourself: Geno isn't on the list.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/seah ... r-seattle/

[NorthHawk]

Here's an article that discusses some of the QB options available to us, broken down to free agency, the draft, and in house. Hawktalk, better brace yourself: Geno isn't on the list.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/seah ... r-seattle/

Below that article is another about the available Free Agents.
There are a couple of C and T that might help us out..

[RiverDog]

Yeah, and if you'll thumb down even further, there's a comment about Bobby Wagner, that the Seahawks released him because we're "in a rebuild mode." I hope someone tells Pete that.

[RiverDog]

Here's an interesting article on the betting favorites on Draft Kings to be our starter come September:

1. “Any rookie” leads the way with odds of -150 (meaning you have to bet $150 to win $100). Amusingly, that rookie can be anyone from the 2022 class: Malik Willis, Sam Howell, Matt Corral, Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder, whoever. Heck, it could even be Western Michigan’s Kaleb Eleby (in which case he’d be tossing passes to one of his former teammates, D’Wayne Eskridge).

In second place is the guy that came Seattle’s way in Tuesday’s bombshell trade: Drew Lock. The odds on him taking the first snap are +125 (meaning you would win $125 if you bet $100). Personally, I wouldn’t place that bet.

Behind Lock, are 2 players with odds of +500. One of those players is Geno Smith. On the surface of it, that seems like a safe enough bet - especially if you’re of the mind that Geno Smith > Drew Lock. But Geno is going to be a free agent on March 16th and is facing some legal issues (and a possible suspension?) for a DUI arrest in January.

Granted, it’s been reported that Pete Carroll wants the Seahawks to re-sign Geno Smith for 2022, but it was also reported, around the same exact time, that Seattle had “no intention” of trading Russell Wilson and we all know how that turned out.

Plus, we all saw how Geno did in place of Russell Wilson for 3-1/2 games last year; does anyone really want a full 17 games of that? (Hawktalk, raise your hand! )

The other player with odds of +500 is The Mustachioed One: Gardner Minshew.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/3/12/22 ... tting-odds

It's interesting that Watson is ranked way down the list at +700, along with one of my favorites, Marcus Mariota, below several names we haven't talked about, ie Jimmy Garoppolo and Jamis Winston.

So, out of those rookie quarterbacks, which one is your preference? Mine would be Kenny Pickett if he were to drop into the 2nd round.

[Hawktawk]

Here's an article that discusses some of the QB options available to us, broken down to free agency, the draft, and in house. Hawktalk, better brace yourself: Geno isn't on the list.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/seah ... r-seattle/

BFD hes on PCs list. These idiots writing these articles and talking on TV really dont watch half the games. I watched every Seahawks game twice. My guess is there's a far better chance Genos on the roster than a lot of these other guys and it doesn't scare me. I root for the jersey. I thig PC was an absolute fool not to tell the little one handed midget to ride the pine and watch a couple more games of new Geno then we might have an idea what the ceiling is. But we got 0-3 instead while hero healed up and the playoffs slipped away few other names out there, Jimmy G or even Mitch trashbuiski is somehow climbing the ranks of desirable QBs rather rapidly.

[NorthHawk]

Of the rookies I would go with Desmond Ridder.
FA I think Mariota might be the best fit.

[NorthHawk]

It seems the Vikings are now in on the Watson sweepstakes.
If they do sign him that means Cousins would be out the door.
I would expect a trade to Minnesota if that came about.

[RiverDog]

BFD hes on PCs list. These idiots writing these articles and talking on TV really dont watch half the games. I watched every Seahawks game twice. My guess is there's a far better chance Genos on the roster than a lot of these other guys and it doesn't scare me. I root for the jersey. I thig PC was an absolute fool not to tell the little one handed midget to ride the pine and watch a couple more games of new Geno then we might have an idea what the ceiling is. But we got 0-3 instead while hero healed up and the playoffs slipped away few other names out there, Jimmy G or even Mitch trashbuiski is somehow climbing the ranks of desirable QBs rather rapidly.

I didn't post the article just to rattle you about Geno, but I didn't want to let the opportunity go by, either.

It's not the talking heads that came up with the ranking, it's the betting line that's established by people that wager money on this type of stuff. I thought it interesting that Watson is less thought of as a possibility than guys like Winston and Jimmy G, and that most people think that we're drafting our QBOTF this season.

The Texans are really asking for the moon in return for Watson, 3 first rounders, or roughly the equivalent of what we got from Denver for Russell. For a a guy that hasn't played a snap for 18 months, the threat of a lengthy suspension, and has the baggage that he's carrying around, that seems pretty outrageous to me.

[Hawktawk]

Here's an interesting article on the betting favorites on Draft Kings to be our starter come September:

1. “Any rookie” leads the way with odds of -150 (meaning you have to bet $150 to win $100). Amusingly, that rookie can be anyone from the 2022 class: Malik Willis, Sam Howell, Matt Corral, Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder, whoever. Heck, it could even be Western Michigan’s Kaleb Eleby (in which case he’d be tossing passes to one of his former teammates, D’Wayne Eskridge).

In second place is the guy that came Seattle’s way in Tuesday’s bombshell trade: Drew Lock. The odds on him taking the first snap are +125 (meaning you would win $125 if you bet $100). Personally, I wouldn’t place that bet.

Behind Lock, are 2 players with odds of +500. One of those players is Geno Smith. On the surface of it, that seems like a safe enough bet - especially if you’re of the mind that Geno Smith > Drew Lock. But Geno is going to be a free agent on March 16th and is facing some legal issues (and a possible suspension?) for a DUI arrest in January.

Granted, it’s been reported that Pete Carroll wants the Seahawks to re-sign Geno Smith for 2022, but it was also reported, around the same exact time, that Seattle had “no intention” of trading Russell Wilson and we all know how that turned out.

Plus, we all saw how Geno did in place of Russell Wilson for 3-1/2 games last year; does anyone really want a full 17 games of that? (Hawktalk, raise your hand! )

The other player with odds of +500 is The Mustachioed One: Gardner Minshew.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/3/12/22 ... tting-odds

It's interesting that Watson is ranked way down the list at +700, along with one of my favorites, Marcus Mariota, below several names we haven't talked about, ie Jimmy Garoppolo and Jamis Winston.

So, out of those rookie quarterbacks, which one is your preference? Mine would be Kenny Pickett if he were to drop into the 2nd round.

Nice potshot Stevie wonder . Not sure what you were watching in the Jax game . Cheerleaders ? Too many barley pops ? Blind as a bat . You are.

Hell yes I’d sign up for a guy completing 15 to start the game , 2 TD passes and a rush TD , completed 20 of 24 with 2 more that hit hands of Swain and Lockett but would have been circus catches . 80% completion % 138 qbr. Yeah I could live with 18 games of that or 19 or 20 . You’re far more entrenched in your position without merit than I . Geno can play . He’s different than he was . Dk “ I’ve never had a ball like that “ why not address those comments from our superstar off the charts receiver who caught 4 of 5 of genos TDs . Why did he say that river ? Why not debate stats and facts instead of your personal dislike of Geno?

[NorthHawk]

Backups are that for a reason.
Usually, if they are good in a few games, it doesn't continue.
Sure they look good in a short stint, but they usually don't continue on that streak.
Look at Nick Foles - backup QB who won a SB and looked great doing so. Then what?
And he's just one example.
Simply put most backups are good stopgaps for a few games only then the clock strikes midnight and it's all over.