The Vent Your Feelings Thread

[obiken]

Obviously I blame Pete as well but if we get Deshaun Watson I will totally be off him and want him fired as opposed to just wishing he were the one gone instead of Russ. I have no interest in having to root for a sexual predator ala Ben Rapistberger, no matter how good he is. 22 sexual assault civil lawsuits, investigation by a grand jury in pursuit of criminal charges with filings expected today. No thanks!

I agree 100%! But he is elite. Moreover, Petey has a way of making those kind of guys work. Look at the tirade that Sis threw over Frank Clark, but he worked left, and got a Super Bowl.

[RiverDog]

Obviously I blame Pete as well but if we get Deshaun Watson I will totally be off him and want him fired as opposed to just wishing he were the one gone instead of Russ. I have no interest in having to root for a sexual predator ala Ben Rapistberger, no matter how good he is. 22 sexual assault civil lawsuits, investigation by a grand jury in pursuit of criminal charges with filings expected today. No thanks!

I agree 100%! But he is elite. Moreover, Petey has a way of making those kind of guys work. Look at the tirade that Sis threw over Frank Clark, but he worked left, and got a Super Bowl.

Big difference between Clark and Watson. Clark had one incident, and the 'victim' forgave him and didn't file charges. Watson has 20+ charges against him, and although it's likely that not all of those are legitimate, anytime there's that many, the odds alone dictate that some of them must be true.

We'll have to wait and see how his legal situation plays out, but unless he's acquitted of all charges, and not just out of court settlements, I'd be disappointed if we brought him in. It would be ironic for this team to go from a squeaky clean Russell Wilson to a felonious sexual predator like Watson.

[tarlhawk]

In the Frank Clark case...the Prosecuting Attorney filed a dismissal... creating doubt of the defendant's credibility to bring it to trial.

[Hawktawk]

I am not in favor of Watson for not only the sexual allegations which are disgusting and way too much smoke not to be fire . Also he was as big a diva 5 years into his career as Russ after 10. Head case molester imo . You can’t trade Russ for that .

I just caught a tidbit about Locke from Gregg Bell on Salk. He said JS LOVED Locke out of college . Big strong athletic kid , big arm , 6’4”. But Bell also said “ I’ve seen him play in the NFL “ he’s a turnover machine , a pick per TD . His best ratio was in a 7 start season where he was 7-3 TD to int

At risk of being skewered by River Seattle brought in a backup with that exact same description . High draft pick , inaccurate , turnover machine . Athletic with a big arm . Whatever else you can say he was efficient and nearly turnover free . Maybe they think they can do that with Locke . Pete ball isn’t exciting but it’s easier for a Qb IMO. Let’s see . We were 6-8 with Russ at years end , 3-8 season over with Russ 4 weeks earlier .
Worst TOP in the league , worst 3rd down completion%. Russ wasn’t Russ anymore and hearing the crap he was putting the FO through while pocketing 35 million, I’m glad he’s gone . You deal with his bullsh@t Denver .

Might get worse before it gets better but let’s see . Maybe it will be 2012 again

[RiverDog]

I am not in favor of Watson for not only the sexual allegations which are disgusting and way too much smoke not to be fire . Also he was as big a diva 5 years into his career as Russ after 10. Head case molester imo . You can’t trade Russ for that .

I just caught a tidbit about Locke from Gregg Bell on Salk. He said JS LOVED Locke out of college . Big strong athletic kid , big arm , 6’4”. But Bell also said “ I’ve seen him play in the NFL “ he’s a turnover machine , a pick per TD . His best ratio was in a 7 start season where he was 7-3 TD to int

At risk of being skewered by River Seattle brought in a backup with that exact same description . High draft pick , inaccurate , turnover machine . Athletic with a big arm . Whatever else you can say he was efficient and nearly turnover free . Maybe they think they can do that with Locke . Pete ball isn’t exciting but it’s easier for a Qb IMO. Let’s see . We were 6-8 with Russ at years end , 3-8 season over with Russ 4 weeks earlier .
Worst TOP in the league , worst 3rd down completion%. Russ wasn’t Russ anymore and hearing the crap he was putting the FO through while pocketing 35 million, I’m glad he’s gone . You deal with his bullsh@t Denver .

Might get worse before it gets better but let’s see . Maybe it will be 2012 again

Well, I won't disappoint you, my friend. You make it as easy as shooting ducks on a pond.

Geno was nearly turnover free? He turned the ball over with two minutes left in the Rams game and down by just 6 then in the following week, he fumbled deep in his own territory in overtime vs. Pittsburgh. That's two game ending turnovers in crunch time out of the 4 games he played in. But hey, don't let a few of those pesky, inconvenient facts get in the way of a good tale about your Flavor of the Day.

Lock's turnover ratio is just one of his statistical problems. His career completion percentage is sub 60%.

[RiverDog]

In the Frank Clark case...the Prosecuting Attorney filed a dismissal... creating doubt of the defendant's credibility to bring it to trial.

He filed a dismissal because Clark's GF refused to testify against him.

[Hawktawk]

I am not in favor of Watson for not only the sexual allegations which are disgusting and way too much smoke not to be fire . Also he was as big a diva 5 years into his career as Russ after 10. Head case molester imo . You can’t trade Russ for that .

I just caught a tidbit about Locke from Gregg Bell on Salk. He said JS LOVED Locke out of college . Big strong athletic kid , big arm , 6’4”. But Bell also said “ I’ve seen him play in the NFL “ he’s a turnover machine , a pick per TD . His best ratio was in a 7 start season where he was 7-3 TD to int

At risk of being skewered by River Seattle brought in a backup with that exact same description . High draft pick , inaccurate , turnover machine . Athletic with a big arm . Whatever else you can say he was efficient and nearly turnover free . Maybe they think they can do that with Locke . Pete ball isn’t exciting but it’s easier for a Qb IMO. Let’s see . We were 6-8 with Russ at years end , 3-8 season over with Russ 4 weeks earlier .
Worst TOP in the league , worst 3rd down completion%. Russ wasn’t Russ anymore and hearing the crap he was putting the FO through while pocketing 35 million, I’m glad he’s gone . You deal with his bullsh@t Denver .

Might get worse before it gets better but let’s see . Maybe it will be 2012 again .

Well, I won't disappoint you, my friend. You make it as easy as shooting ducks on a pond.

Geno was nearly turnover free? He turned the ball over with two minutes left in the Rams game and down by just 6 then in the following week, he fumbled deep in his own territory in overtime vs. Pittsburgh. That's two game ending turnovers in crunch time out of the 4 games he played in. But hey, don't let a few of those pesky, inconvenient facts get in the way of a good tale about your Flavor of the Day.

Lock's turnover ratio is just one of his statistical problems. His career completion percentage is sub 60%.

Geno came in on the 2 and went 98. Put 10 points on the Rams and 140 yards in the 4th quarter after Russ put up 7 and a pick in 3 quarters . Put up as much on the Rams as Russ did in the entire second game . Almost as many yards too . There was a similarity with a non call on a pass interference .Dee Jays was worse but rocket doesn’t just fall down in the middle of a cut which was 100% the reason for the pick there Stevie wonder . Yeah he fumbled after getting hit for the 15 th time and sacked for the 5th and balls tipped as nobody could block watt all night . We were only in in OT because Geno directed 3 straight scoring drives including a last second drive to force overtime . 72 % completion % completed balls to 10 guys . 102 QBR It was his first start in 5 years . That was his only turnover starting . I could go on . Jax as clean and efficient a game as I’ve seen , Pete Carroll mentioned it as one of the teams best games and I don’t think it was a mistake to mention a game started by Geno one week before we got shut out . Pete likes Geno . His teammates love him unlike a certain other guy . But I guess you’re smarter than them too .
Geno can be the bridge here as far as I’m concerned while they try to fix Locke . As for Locke the more I look at him I see maybe a poor mans Josh Allen as he was around 55% completion with a losing record early in his career . Wouldn’t that be something .

[RiverDog]

Well, I won't disappoint you, my friend. You make it as easy as shooting ducks on a pond.

Geno was nearly turnover free? He turned the ball over with two minutes left in the Rams game and down by just 6 then in the following week, he fumbled deep in his own territory in overtime vs. Pittsburgh. That's two game ending turnovers in crunch time out of the 4 games he played in. But hey, don't let a few of those pesky, inconvenient facts get in the way of a good tale about your Flavor of the Day.

Lock's turnover ratio is just one of his statistical problems. His career completion percentage is sub 60%.

Geno came in on the 2 and went 98. Put 10 points on the Rams and 140 yards in the 4th quarter after Russ put up 7 and a pick in 3 quarters . Put up as much on the Rams as Russ did in the entire second game . Almost as many yards too . There was a similarity with a non call on a pass interference .Dee Jays was worse but rocket doesn’t just fall down in the middle of a cut which was 100% the reason for the pick there Stevie wonder . Yeah he fumbled after getting hit for the 15 th time and sacked for the 5th and balls tipped as nobody could block watt all night . We were only in in OT because Geno directed 3 straight scoring drives including a last second drive to force overtime . 72 % completion % completed balls to 10 guys . 102 QBR It was his first start in 5 years . That was his only turnover starting . I could go on . Jax as clean and efficient a game as I’ve seen , Pete Carroll mentioned it as one of the teams best games and I don’t think it was a mistake to mention a game started by Geno one week before we got shut out . Pete likes Geno . His teammates love him unlike a certain other guy . But I guess you’re smarter than them too .
Geno can be the bridge here as far as I’m concerned while they try to fix Locke . As for Locke the more I look at him I see maybe a poor mans Josh Allen as he was around 55% completion with a losing record early in his career . Wouldn’t that be something .

Once again, I'm not in complete disagreement with you about Geno. He's a decent backup and preformed last year about what you would expect out of a backup, winning one game out of three he started, which is almost exactly the winning percentage for games as starters for all backup quarterbacks. What I'm 'skewering' you for is the happy spin that you bend over backwards to put on his modest successes and the excuses you make for him when he screws up.

We don't know if Geno will be allowed to compete for a starting job or not. He'd be a good player to have on the practice squad as an ace in the hole as he knows the system, so it could be that Pete's interested in him as insurance and is not serious about him being the bridge you're referring to. My guess is that we'll bring in a veteran former starting QB, such as Tyrod Taylor or Marcus Mariota, and if not, draft one to compete with Lock for the starting job. We already know what Geno can and can't do. We'll find out come August when the roster is filled out and see the players wearing red jerseys.

[TriCitySam]

I couldn't support Watson unless he was completely cleared - and as mentioned, with 22 filed, I can't see how that could be. Having said that, I don't know much about the claims - 2 say he was asking for stuff, the other 20 do not, but in any case can't be good. (with ownerships own history - I wonder how JA feels about this). The other common name (Kap) wouldn't strike a positive cord with many either.

On another subject, I saw a tweet about RW's 1/11/22 tweet "Light at the end of the tunnel"....was it Denver??

[TriCitySam]

The line isn't better than it is rated. It is exactly what it is.

You're going to find out shortly the only person keeping this team in contention was Russell Wilson. We would have had a losing record every year five years ago if not for Russell Wilson. Seattle fans about to get that wake up call as to how good he really was to keep Seattle in contention after the defense fell off a cliff.

I guess we'll find out....I'm not the expert, and neither is anyone on this board or the other fan sites. The trade is viewed differently by many outside of the PNW. I buy the opinion that Sea new they had to make serious upgrades, weren't in a position to do it and were looking at facing RW and his agent wanting $50MM+ a year or so from now. As I noted earlier, Jeff Howe of the Athletic polled some GM's:.

"After recovering from the initial jolt of the news, numerous coaches and executives around the league took a step back and offered a wide range of opinions on the deal. “Seattle really helped themselves, but Denver will be dangerous,” one coach said. “If the Broncos win the Super Bowl in three or four years, they’ll have won the trade,” an executive said.

But if they don’t? “It’s only a win for Denver if they win the Super Bowl, (and) I don’t think they will be good enough,” a general manager said.
Denver gave up a lot,” one head coach said. “(But they're) still the third in the division. Another "I have no idea why Seattle would trade Wilson".

So, there is no consensus - it will be interesting to look back two years from now and see how both teams fared.

[Agent 86]

I think Lock will be given every chance to be the starter. I am a bit intrigued by him after reading some articles. I think PC/JS are gonna try to prove they don't need "elite" QB play to win in their system. You need more than a game manager but you don't need a $40 million QB to win it all.

Wonder if Waldron thinks Lock is a better fit for his offence than what is available out there in free agency? I will go on record and say that Lock and Geno are gonna be the main 2 in camp competing for the starting job and Seahawks fans are gonna lose their minds over that.

[c_hawkbob]

I'm reading that we're pretty close to getting Watson.

[RiverDog]

I'm reading that we're pretty close to getting Watson.

If that's true, then we're not rebuilding. No way would any coach bring on a player with that kind of baggage unless he feels we're a legitimate competitor.

[mykc14]

If that's true, then we're not rebuilding. No way would any coach bring on a player with that kind of baggage unless he feels we're a legitimate competitor.

I don't think there is anyway in PC's mind that we are rebuilding.

[NorthHawk]

From a team building PoV what we could get from the draft if we don’t sign him might in the long
term be better than what we get from a franchise type QB. At least we could set up the team better
for when we draft a QB.
However, getting a QB with his talent is a difficult thing to do.
It all depends on how much the compensation is if they get it done and it might be that
we would just be replacing Wilson with Watson and lose the chance to set a solid foundation
for the team in the future.
Basically we would still be stuck in an Offensive rut of Pete ball without the draft stock to
upgrade the LoS on either side.

[mykc14]

I'm reading that we're pretty close to getting Watson.

That is interesting... Tremendous talent. He has already signed a big extension so we wouldn't be on the hook for his full cap hits. Honestly, if he is cleared of wrongdoing this could be a great pick up.

[Agent 86]

I'm reading that we're pretty close to getting Watson.

This news came out today I guess will ramp up trade talk. The grand jury has decided to decline to indict Watson on sexual assault charges citing lack of evidence. League investigation still ongoing though.

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player-news/10632496?category=headlines

[c_hawkbob]

I'm reading that we're pretty close to getting Watson.

This news came out today I guess will ramp up trade talk. The grand jury has decided to decline to indict Watson on sexual assault charges citing lack of evidence. League investigation still ongoing though.

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player-news/10632496?category=headlines

I knew that decision was due today, and that is probably playing a hand in the rumors growing stronger. But from my POV it still doesn't address the 22 civil suits. I'm sure he's got enough to make them all go away with out of court settlements, but that doesn't make him any less of a dirtbag in my eyes.

[RiverDog]

If that's true, then we're not rebuilding. No way would any coach bring on a player with that kind of baggage unless he feels we're a legitimate competitor.

I don't think there is anyway in PC's mind that we are rebuilding.

I tend to agree.

[Aseahawkfan]

Really? Watson? Isn't he going to want the same money as Rodgers or Russell with more baggage? I hope this isn't right. But with what's been going on, who knows what Pete and John are doing.

A slime bag QB who visits massage parlors? It will be like Ben R is our QB who rapes drunk girls in bathrooms. That would suck.

[mykc14]

Really? Watson? Isn't he going to want the same money as Rodgers or Russell with more baggage? I hope this isn't right. But with what's been going on, who knows what Pete and John are doing.

A slime bag QB who visits massage parlors? It will be like Ben R is our QB who rapes drunk girls in bathrooms. That would suck.

He has already received his extension and therefore we won't have to take on his bonus money. I haven't looked at his contract, but we could conceivably have him under contract for 3 more years with a cap hit under 30 in each of those years. Eventually we will, but I don't think he is up for an extension for 3 or 4 more years, which means, depending on the numbers, we could extend him at 45 k but spread that out over 3 or 4 more years and the average comes out closer to 35-40.

As far as him being a dirtbag visiting massage parlors, I think it is a terrible practice that has been acceptable among certain professionals for a long time. I want to preface what I am about to write with this: I have not read up on the specifics of his accusations and the sheer number coming forward does make it seem like he was trying to force an aspect of a massage beyond what the masseuse was probably expecting before the massage began. One of my friends is a former major league pitcher and he said guys visited massage parlors all of the time. It was normal and nobody thought it was a big deal until the last few years when it started to come out that they are a major part of the sex trade. He said most guys thought of it as a normal aspect of their massage. He thinks it wouldn't be acceptable now, but at the time nobody thought anything of it. Obviously I am not advocating it in anyway and there needs to be a huge investigation into these parlors that leads to criminal charges and putting an end to the practice all together, but knowing my friend the way I do I have a hard time judging the people going to them if they think a mutual service is being performed and don't realize anybody is being forced into the practice against their will. With that being said a 'willful ignorance' isn't an excuse and widespread awareness to this practice needs to be spread amongst professional athletes.

[obiken]

I knew that decision was due today, and that is probably playing a hand in the rumors growing stronger. But from my POV it still doesn't address the 22 civil suits. I'm sure he's got enough to make them all go away with out of court settlements, but that doesn't make him any less of a dirtbag in my eyes.

I agree with you and The Riv man, however we are talking Pete Carroll here! I heard He will plead the 5th on the Civil Suits. Dirt bag no doubt, but worse than Rapistburger, and he brought them 2 Superbowl's. You dont get any better than Mr. Pollyanna and Pete shipped him out! The clamoring for Watson starts and we will NOT be the ONLY team after him. It doesn't matter what you, River, ASHF, or I think.

[Aseahawkfan]

He has already received his extension and therefore we won't have to take on his bonus money. I haven't looked at his contract, but we could conceivably have him under contract for 3 more years with a cap hit under 30 in each of those years. Eventually we will, but I don't think he is up for an extension for 3 or 4 more years, which means, depending on the numbers, we could extend him at 45 k but spread that out over 3 or 4 more years and the average comes out closer to 35-40.

As far as him being a dirtbag visiting massage parlors, I think it is a terrible practice that has been acceptable among certain professionals for a long time. I want to preface what I am about to write with this: I have not read up on the specifics of his accusations and the sheer number coming forward does make it seem like he was trying to force an aspect of a massage beyond what the masseuse was probably expecting before the massage began. One of my friends is a former major league pitcher and he said guys visited massage parlors all of the time. It was normal and nobody thought it was a big deal until the last few years when it started to come out that they are a major part of the sex trade. He said most guys thought of it as a normal aspect of their massage. He thinks it wouldn't be acceptable now, but at the time nobody thought anything of it. Obviously I am not advocating it in anyway and there needs to be a huge investigation into these parlors that leads to criminal charges and putting an end to the practice all together, but knowing my friend the way I do I have a hard time judging the people going to them if they think a mutual service is being performed and don't realize anybody is being forced into the practice against their will. With that being said a 'willful ignorance' isn't an excuse and widespread awareness to this practice needs to be spread amongst professional athletes.

All I know or care about is Russell visited children's hospitals, not massage parlors. I prefer that.

[NorthHawk]

Watson wasn't criminally indicted.
Whatever happens in his civil suits is unknown, but it will probably only cost money and not playing time.

His contract runs out in 2025.
His Cap hits according to spotrac are:
2022 $40.4M
2023 $42.4M
2024 $37.4M
2025 $32M

He could sign a new contract in another city that changes those numbers, but essentially gives him the same money or lessens the Cap hits.

[mykc14]

Watson wasn't criminally indicted.
Whatever happens in his civil suits is unknown, but it will probably only cost money and not playing time.

His contract runs out in 2025.
His Cap hits according to spotrac are:
2022 $40.4M
2023 $42.4M
2024 $37.4M
2025 $32M

He could sign a new contract in another city that changes those numbers, but essentially gives him the same money or lessens the Cap hits.

Yeah, his cap hits wouldn't be that high in another city even if he doesn't sign a new contract because the new team doesn't have to pay any of the bonus money. I can't say for sure but if those are his cap hits for the Texans then a new team is probably looking at around 5-10 less per year. The fact that there are 4 years remaining actually is good because it will allow a team to spread a contract over 4 years. So a 3 year 120 million extension would really be like a 7 year 240 million contract. Again, that's just speculating numbers. At the end of the day it is always going to be cheaper to trade for a QB who has years left after an extension because you don't have to pay the bonus money.

[mykc14]

All I know or care about is Russell visited children's hospitals, not massage parlors. I prefer that.

That is something we can all agree on. RW off the field is as pure as it gets. We were lucky to have him.

[RiverDog]

Watson wasn't criminally indicted. Whatever happens in his civil suits is unknown, but it will probably only cost money and not playing time.

The league could still suspend him, and likely will.

[Hawktawk]

I just read an article saying Watson wants to go to Pittsburgh which makes a lot of sense . Last guy paved the way

[NorthHawk]

It would make sense for him to go to the Steelers if they have the draft capital, which I think they do.
They have a good nucleus and could win right away.

[NorthHawk]

I just read a couple of comments that the Panthers are going "All in" to get Watson.
But Watson has a not trade clause, so he can in effect choose where he wants to go.
The Panthers owner is desperate for a top QB and to win, so maybe if they talk to him they
might offer him more money - or more guaranteed money. Something to sweeten the pot.

[Aseahawkfan]

I just read an article saying Watson wants to go to Pittsburgh which makes a lot of sense . Last guy paved the way

Haha. Too true, too true.

Then he can have a statue in his favorite massage parlor to go with Ben R's bathroom statue.