Wilson to the Broncos

[mykc14]

If this is true, it likely means that we're in for a major rebuild. Who stays? Is it worth it to pay Bobby? How about Diggs? Do we resign him to what he's going to want? Do we go out and aggressively find another quarterback or wait for one to fall into our laps like we did with Russell?

Do you think that Metcalf is going to be happy playing for a rebuilding team or would it be worth it to trade him and haul in even more picks?

It's probably worth a thread of its own if this turns out to be true.

I don't think we are in line for a major rebuild in PC's eyes. He built this team so why would he think he needs to tear it down? I am sure he thinks he has the pieces to win a championship.

[Uppercut]

Does anyone think that JS uses those 2 #1 picks?

I can see him turning them and second rounders into a bunch of 3-4-5 rounders

hope they pick smart

[Oly]

I'm surprised that I don't have stronger feelings. I have zero doubt that the Hawks will be worse this next season than they'd be with Wilson. Zero. QB is the most important position in sports, and Wilson is still one of the best.

But, I can also see the logic. Here's what I hope PCJS were thinking: This roster doesn't have the talent to compete in our division, let alone for the SB, for the next couple of years and they think this is the right time for a rebuild. Any rebuild starts with draft capital, which they didn't have, or lots of cap space, of which they didn't have enough. In my head, PCJS would have rather traded Wilson next year knowing they'd never re-sign him due to the desperate need to add talent and the likelihood he's going to decline in a couple of years. But they were worried that he might not fetch as much in return next year. So they took the 4 high picks (including #9 this year, if one of the 1st rounders is in this draft) and a very good TE (I don't know about the DT) to rebuild one year early. From the tiny bit of the draft I've followed, there are a couple of really good CBs and OL in this draft and those are huge positions of need. At #9, maybe they thought this was a good year to get a high pick in the draft or trade a bunch to fill lots of roster holes.

After typing this out, I guess the TL;DR version is this: Wilson was never going to be here after his current contract anyway, so the only question was how long until the Hawks were going to suck it up and deal with a shitty couple of years. I'm not bent out of shape that it was this season rather than than next or the one after.

[RiverDog]

Does anyone think that JS uses those 2 #1 picks?

I can see him turning them and second rounders into a bunch of 3-4-5 rounders

hope they pick smart

Yea, that would be typical.

Again, assuming the rumor is true, as it stands now, we have the #9, #40, #41, #72, #107, #114, #152, and #227.

[Oly]

I don't think we are in line for a major rebuild in PC's eyes. He built this team so why would he think he needs to tear it down? I am sure he thinks he has the pieces to win a championship.

You're probably right, but as I wrote above I hope that he and JS see just how much of a talent gap there is between the Hawks and our division rivals.

Again, assuming the rumor is true, as it stands now, we have the #9, #40, #41, #72, #107, #114, #152, and #227.

I would hope that if they think one of the highly rated OT are there at #9, they stay put. There aren't many positions that I think really deserve a high pick, but OT seems to be one where the blue-chippers drafted early are worth the high picks.

[NorthHawk]

If this happens, I was wrong. I admit it. Did not see this coming.

Also, I despise Pete and John. I expect to move on shortly. What is the point of keeping Pete around at his age to rebuild? Ridiculous.

Some of us thought it was a choice between Pete and Russ.
Unfortunately we ended up with Pete and now begin what might be a long
search for another franchise QB. If a change was to be made i’d rather
have kept Russ and gone after Hackett or Bienimy or Leftwich.
But it’s done now and maybe we can get some real team improvements.

[obiken]

If this is true, it likely means that we're in for a major rebuild. Who stays? Is it worth it to pay Bobby? How about Diggs? Do we resign him to what he's going to want? Do we go out and aggressively find another quarterback or wait for one to fall into our laps like we did with Russell?

Do you think that Metcalf is going to be happy playing for a rebuilding team or would it be worth it to trade him and haul in even more picks?

It's probably worth a thread of its own if this turns out to be true.

How can we not be in for a major rebuild River, and EVERYONE has been saying that PC is not in for a major rebuild at 70!! WE are TOAST for years!! WE will have to play in the same Division with Mcvay, Kingsbury, and Shanahan, without a franchise QB, and you think 7 wins on a rebuild!!! Can you imagine IF we would have guaranteed Moon his money the kind of years we could have had??? Or or if we would have mortgaged the farm for John Elway!! Geez this just sucks big donkey dicks!!

[curmudgeon]

The Great Reset……

[RiverDog]

I'm surprised that I don't have stronger feelings. I have zero doubt that the Hawks will be worse this next season than they'd be with Wilson. Zero. QB is the most important position in sports, and Wilson is still one of the best.

But, I can also see the logic. Here's what I hope PCJS were thinking: This roster doesn't have the talent to compete in our division, let alone for the SB, for the next couple of years and they think this is the right time for a rebuild. Any rebuild starts with draft capital, which they didn't have, or lots of cap space, of which they didn't have enough. In my head, PCJS would have rather traded Wilson next year knowing they'd never re-sign him due to the desperate need to add talent and the likelihood he's going to decline in a couple of years. But they were worried that he might not fetch as much in return next year. So they took the 4 high picks (including #9 this year, if one of the 1st rounders is in this draft) and a very good TE (I don't know about the DT) to rebuild one year early. From the tiny bit of the draft I've followed, there are a couple of really good CBs and OL in this draft and those are huge positions of need. At #9, maybe they thought this was a good year to get a high pick in the draft or trade a bunch to fill lots of roster holes.

After typing this out, I guess the TL;DR version is this: Wilson was never going to be here after his current contract anyway, so the only question was how long until the Hawks were going to suck it up and deal with a shitty couple of years. I'm not bent out of shape that it was this season rather than than next or the one after.

I don't have strong feelings about it, either. After years of watching professional athletes like Alex Rodriguez and Steve Hutchinson ditch their teams for bigger paydays, I've pretty much detached myself from getting too emotionally attached to players, even great players and great guys like Russell. That's why I never have and never will wear a players name/number on my back.

I agree with your take. If Russell wasn't going to stick around after his current contract was up and/or if he was unhappy being here, I was all for trading him.

Plus we have to look on the bright side. We have an opportunity to turn this into a Herschel Walker-type trade that leads to multiple Lombardi's. It's just too bad that we traded away 2-#1's for a safety or we'd be looking at the #4 and #9 overall picks in this year's draft.

[NorthHawk]

Time to look at the draft prospects to see who we will pass by with our first pick.

[Oly]

Time to look at the draft prospects to see who we will pass by with our first pick.

It's funny because it's true.

[RiverDog]

How can we not be in for a major rebuild River, and EVERYONE has been saying that PC is not in for a major rebuild at 70!! WE are TOAST for years!! WE will have to play in the same Division with Mcvay, Kingsbury, and Shanahan, without a franchise QB, and you think 7 wins on a rebuild!!! Can you imagine IF we would have guaranteed Moon his money the kind of years we could have had??? Or or if we would have mortgaged the farm for John Elway!! Geez this just sucks big donkey dicks!!

It's quite possible that we'll be toast for years and we could very easily turn into the west coast's version of Detroit and Cleveland. But given that we haven't done squat for the past 7 seasons and IMO did not look like we were just a player or two away from a SB, it's a chance I'm willing to take.

Besides, the Rams, Niners, and Cards all have their problems. It's the NFL, and quick turnarounds can and do happen.

[RiverDog]

Time to look at the draft prospects to see who we will pass by with our first pick.

It's funny because it's true.

In the past, I haven't participated in Cbob's 3 deep draft, but I might give it a shot this season as with a pick in the top 10 and 2 in the 2nd round, I'm going to want to do some research anyway.

[NorthHawk]

If this is true, it likely means that we're in for a major rebuild. Who stays? Is it worth it to pay Bobby? How about Diggs? Do we resign him to what he's going to want? Do we go out and aggressively find another quarterback or wait for one to fall into our laps like we did with Russell?

Do you think that Metcalf is going to be happy playing for a rebuilding team or would it be worth it to trade him and haul in even more picks?

It's probably worth a thread of its own if this turns out to be true.

There are some good LBs in this draft, so maybe with Wags slowing down it would be worth it
to cut him and fix other areas in FA. Those guys from Georgia were a very good group and
tested well at the Combine. The extra Cap space would allow us to be aggressive in FA to
upgrade along both sides of the LoS. It would also benefit Wagner as he could shop himself
around early in FA. Some younger team could use his leadership and pay him well.

[obiken]

There are some good LBs in this draft, so maybe with Wags slowing down it would be worth it
to cut him and fix other areas in FA. Those guys from Georgia were a very good group and
tested well at the Combine. The extra Cap space would allow us to be aggressive in FA to
upgrade along both sides of the LoS. It would also benefit Wagner as he could shop himself
around early in FA. Some younger team could use his leadership and pay him well.

Come on guys, expecting PC to draft well, is like believing Donald Trump wont be a Dick Head anymore!
I think they cut Bobby and Duane Brown, too old and too expensive.

[Hawktawk]

I’ve heard Lockett may be available . But I don’t buy for one second mr always compete PC is planning on losing at age 70. I said after the season we were not far off . Russ was as good last 2 weeks as he had been in a long time but it was the run game that really flipped a switch and signing Penney should be easy if they want him . And I might get another dust up with river but PC said he wanted to bring Geno back and basically brushed off his DUI . Those comments loom a bit larger based on what we all know now.
I said when he was playing this year I could see him as a stop gap type guy with a chance to earn playing time . I could see them opening TC with the position open between he and Locke unless they have another big move planned . I’ve heard there is no franchise guy available in the draft .

And for all the doom and gloom Russ was 6-8 as a starter and forced his way on the field which probably led to some of the losses .I saw an NFL scout who said of Russ “ the tape doesn’t match the stats “

I’ll believe we’re doomed when we are . In a way it’s like mini Tom and Bill. Who has more success next couple years ? Russ or PC. I’m rooting for our guys .

[obiken]

I have 0 faith in PC anymore; his Tony Robbins, power of positive thinking act died today. It should have died with SB 50 HT, but what can I say, I graduated from Oregon, Richard Sherman graduated from Stanford, took me a while to catch up to him!!

[mykc14]

Broncos are in a pretty good situation after this trade. They have a top 5 QB with cap hits of just 24 and 27 million over the next two years. I imagine they will extend him very quickly and will be able to reduce those cap numbers. If I were the Broncos I would be ecstatic with this trade. Who wouldn't give up 2 firsts and two seconds for RW at 70% of his market value, especially with two years remaining that they can use to spread out an extension.

[I-5]

At his ripe age, I see no reason why Pete would be behind this trade...it means he's much further from getting back to the SB. My money is on either Russ or Jody making a business decision. It's the only way it makes sense to me anyway. As for JS, I don't think he has the authority to do anything that Pete wouldn't want, and I don't see why Pete would want to lose the QB that has kept him in Seattle so long.

[mykc14]

At his ripe age, I see no reason why Pete would be behind this trade...it means he's much further from getting back to the SB. My money is on either Russ or Jody making a business decision. It's the only way it makes sense to me anyway. As for JS, I don't think he has the authority to do anything that Pete wouldn't want, and I don't see why Pete would want to lose the QB that has kept him in Seattle so long.

I have to think that he really believes they are closer than we think to a SB. There is no way he is planning on a complete rebuild. I think if you talked to him he would believe deep down inside they can compete for one this year and will be one of the best teams in the league in two years. Obviously the goal would be to get our next franchise QB this season, but ultimately I image it will be the following season.

[Aseahawkfan]

Good for you for manning up. I certainly didn't predict a trade, but I wasn't surprised or shocked, either.

Agreed about Pete, but he did it once with an emptier cupboard and with fewer resources than he has now.

Of course, a few things still have to happen, like Russell's OK and his passing the physical.

Pete did it after he found Russell Wilson. Those types of QBs aren't easy to find.

What we're we doing before we drafted Russell Wilson on this forum? Talking about finding a QB. Talking about Tarvaris Jackson possibly getting it done. Trading for some Green Bay backup I don't even remember his name. And coming up with the nickname Clipboard Jesus for Charlie Whitehurst while Pete tried to convince us he could do the job.

That's what we were doing before Russell Wilson. That's what we'll be doing until we find the next QB which will likely happen after Pete and John are gone. In this league contending is based on the quality if your QB.

[Aseahawkfan]

If this is true, it likely means that we're in for a major rebuild. Who stays? Is it worth it to pay Bobby? How about Diggs? Do we resign him to what he's going to want? Do we go out and aggressively find another quarterback or wait for one to fall into our laps like we did with Russell?

Do you think that Metcalf is going to be happy playing for a rebuilding team or would it be worth it to trade him and haul in even more picks?

It's probably worth a thread of its own if this turns out to be true.

No. Why keep Bobby Wagoner for a full rebuild?

Why pay 18 million for Tyler and then keep DK if you don't have a QB to take advantage of them? That would be utterly stupid and just more proof Pete and John need to go.

Trading Russell pretty much sealed DK's fate. He's getting traded.

There's no use keeping Duane Brown either or Carlos Dunlap. This is full rebuild mode. You don't need aging players in full rebuild mode. You don't need expensive players like Metcalf either.

[Aseahawkfan]

I have to think that he really believes they are closer than we think to a SB. There is no way he is planning on a complete rebuild. I think if you talked to him he would believe deep down inside they can compete for one this year and will be one of the best teams in the league in two years. Obviously the goal would be to get our next franchise QB this season, but ultimately I image it will be the following season.

Pete hasn't been in touch with reality since he lost the 2nd Super Bowl. I don't trust a thing out of his mouth.

I know we're in full rebuild and I don't care how Pete spins it. He was nothing before Russell Wilson came here and he's going back to being nothing now that Russ is gone. He's all done. When I look at Pete Carroll, I just see a sign above his head that says "Waiting to get fired and replaced so the build can happen."

[tarlhawk]

Sad day for those who had hoped Russel Wilson was staying ...and the being traded rumors were to be expected during off-season. I'm really not sure what to make of the deal. I thought maybe family would motivate him staying in Seattle...but maybe it was family that led to this. Seattle is fast becoming a mecca of crime and the drug trade that follows it...even people drawn here by a Rock background have fled from here recently.

The true potential is now tied up in the high risk roulette wheel known as the NFL draft. If our GM scores big then maybe it was time...there were no "right" times to deal away a QB who always kept you in the game. Whoever plays the QB position for us in 2022 will be under the shadow left by this trade of Russell Wilson. His importance and character off the field was inspiring as his position in the huddle was to his team-mates. Perhaps he wasn't a good "fit" for the offense Waldron was hoping to provide. I really thought this "trade scenario" might have played out in 2023 vice now. Unless our team already has another young QB in mind to trade for...then 2021 results may be common ...in the near upcoming years.

[mykc14]

Pete did it after he found Russell Wilson. Those types of QBs aren't easy to find.

What we're we doing before we drafted Russell Wilson on this forum? Talking about finding a QB. Talking about Tarvaris Jackson possibly getting it done. Trading for some Green Bay backup I don't even remember his name. And coming up with the nickname Clipboard Jesus for Charlie Whitehurst while Pete tried to convince us he could do the job.

That's what we were doing before Russell Wilson. That's what we'll be doing until we find the next QB which will likely happen after Pete and John are gone. In this league contending is based on the quality if your QB.

I agree with this. PC/JS were not great at investing in the QB position before RW fell into their laps. Tavaris Jackson was never going to get you to the SB, Charlie Whitehurst (I think we gave up a #2 for him) was a bad trade, and paying Matt Flynn was clearly a mistake. They could get lucky again, but the odds aren't good.

[RiverDog]

Sad day for those who had hoped Russel Wilson was staying ...and the being traded rumors were to be expected during off-season. I'm really not sure what to make of the deal. I thought maybe family would motivate him staying in Seattle...but maybe it was family that led to this. Seattle is fast becoming a mecca of crime and the drug trade that follows it...even people drawn here by a Rock background have fled from here recently.

The true potential is now tied up in the high risk roulette wheel known as the NFL draft. If our GM scores big then maybe it was time...there were no "right" times to deal away a QB who always kept you in the game. Whoever plays the QB position for us in 2022 will be under the shadow left by this trade of Russell Wilson. His importance and character off the field was inspiring as his position in the huddle was to his team-mates. Perhaps he wasn't a good "fit" for the offense Waldron was hoping to provide. I really thought this "trade scenario" might have played out in 2023 vice now. Unless our team already has another young QB in mind to trade for...then 2021 results may be common ...in the near upcoming years.

Downtown Seattle is an open cesspool but the suburbs in places like Bellevue and Redmond aren't that bad.

The optimum time to trade Russell is now. He had a bad season last year, was playing below par even before his injury, so it wasn't a slam dunk that he would have had a decent season, especially if he was of the mindset of wanting out, which we now know to have been the case. If we would have waited, no telling what would have happened. If he sustained another injury or played poorly, then his trade value would have plummeted.

I'm good with what we got, but like others have expressed, I'm skeptical that Pete and John can parlay this into an advantage.

[Aseahawkfan]

Downtown Seattle is an open cesspool but the suburbs in places like Bellevue and Redmond aren't that bad.

The optimum time to trade Russell is now. He had a bad season last year, was playing below par even before his injury, so it wasn't a slam dunk that he would have had a decent season, especially if he was of the mindset of wanting out, which we now know to have been the case. If we would have waited, no telling what would have happened. If he sustained another injury or played poorly, then his trade value would have plummeted.

I'm good with what we got, but like others have expressed, I'm skeptical that Pete and John can parlay this into an advantage.

I hope Pete and John are gone soon. They let the team descend to the point where are best option is trading our Pro Bowl QB? That's some terrible roster management to have done such a poor job of maintaining the team that the best option is to blow it up and start over.

[Hawktawk]

Downtown Seattle is an open cesspool but the suburbs in places like Bellevue and Redmond aren't that bad.

The optimum time to trade Russell is now. He had a bad season last year, was playing below par even before his injury, so it wasn't a slam dunk that he would have had a decent season, especially if he was of the mindset of wanting out, which we now know to have been the case. If we would have waited, no telling what would have happened. If he sustained another injury or played poorly, then his trade value would have plummeted.

I'm good with what we got, but like others have expressed, I'm skeptical that Pete and John can parlay this into an advantage.

I'm in 100% agreement with this. I thought all along when a QB with 3 years on his deal gets tired enough of getting hit hes talking to the press its not going to end well. Then this season as I've read the film doesn't match the stats. 6-8 as a starter. Some analysts suggested he was in steep decline. This was the year that made sense which is why although I had come to hope Russ came back and was good Russ and really we might have a chance I didn't rule it out no matter how loud John Clayton screamed it wasn't even a possibility.

Like Wyman said today after the news broke it depends on what comes out about whos idea this was who winds up looking bad. I've heard it was 100% Russel wishes being granted and that the deal came down to where he was willing to go, not necessarily the best deal for Seattle. I dont begrudge him a bit nor do I blame the FO for being fed up with being blamed for every playoff loss and seeing leaks in the media constantly.

Lets see what happens. Looks like right now they have Drew Locke, working on Geno according to PC. Id expect a move either for another veteran arm or maybe JS has his eyes on the next RW in a lower round. I didn't know who the hell RW was till they drafted him . There are few qbs as dynamic as Russ but I heard Carroll say many time's last year if you dont give the other team the ball and you pick up 3rd downs and play D and run the ball you dont have to score 40 points a game. Pete ball won.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm in 100% agreement with this. I thought all along when a QB with 3 years on his deal gets tired enough of getting hit hes talking to the press its not going to end well. Then this season as I've read the film doesn't match the stats. 6-8 as a starter. Some analysts suggested he was in steep decline. This was the year that made sense which is why although I had come to hope Russ came back and was good Russ and really we might have a chance I didn't rule it out no matter how loud John Clayton screamed it wasn't even a possibility.

Like Wyman said today after the news broke it depends on what comes out about whos idea this was who winds up looking bad. I've heard it was 100% Russel wishes being granted and that the deal came down to where he was willing to go, not necessarily the best deal for Seattle. I dont begrudge him a bit nor do I blame the FO for being fed up with being blamed for every playoff loss and seeing leaks in the media constantly.

Lets see what happens. Looks like right now they have Drew Locke, working on Geno according to PC. Id expect a move either for another veteran arm or maybe JS has his eyes on the next RW in a lower round. I didn't know who the hell RW was till they drafted him . There are few qbs as dynamic as Russ but I heard Carroll say many time's last year if you dont give the other team the ball and you pick up 3rd downs and play D and run the ball you dont have to score 40 points a game. Pete ball won.

Pete Ball wasn't winning until Russell Wilson got here, but I imagine forgot the 7-9, 7-9, and 5-11 prior to Russell Wilson.

Or Pete's years with the Jets with no QB. Or with New England.

Fact is Pete Ball just like any other system out there no matter what it is only works when you have a high quality QB save for a few one offs here and there. Pete and John let the roster degrade to the point where their best option was trading the Pro Bowl QB.

So you tell me what you think is going to happen? We're going to get better or we're going to get far worse against like before Russell arrived and Pete Ball wasn't doing jack squat while Pete tried to sell us on Tarvaris Jackson, Charlie Whitehurst and Matt Flynn who aren't doing jack squat.

While Elway, who knows a think about winning teams and having a quality QB was willing to bet a ton that having Russell Wilson will make for a better team than having a bunch of draft picks and no quality QB when it comes to contending.

I know fans like yourself have forgotten what it was like here before Russell Wilson. I've been watching Seattle for as long as you and this has been the best Seattle football ever and most contention ever and the main difference has been having an elite Pro Bowl QB rather than just a good QB like a Matt Hasselbeck or a Dave Krieg. It makes a huge difference and it still astounds me how most Seattle fans don't realize this.

But when this forum is filled with threads about finding that next QB and Pete's trying to sell us on Geno Smith or the backup we got from Denver while we're losing year after year and not making the playoffs, I won't be sharing the fool's view that having a Pro Bowl QB is a must for competing.

I feel trading Russ is going too accelerate the Seahawks downward fall while we don't have an owner that even cares about keeping the Seahawks.

[tarlhawk]

The NFC West is full of changes now...perhaps rebuilding while the rest of our division is on its up-swing is an NFL strategy being played out. Recapture our talent base while waiting for the elusive elite QB to reappear somehow??

[govandals]

Sad day for those who had hoped Russel Wilson was staying ...

Count me in that group. I am a bit saddened because it's the end of the best Seahawk era we have ever had, but I was expecting this day since last years 4 team trade list was put out there.
Here are some things I've read/heard today:
12 teams contacted Seattle about RW
There were 3 serious offers: Washington, Denver and (rumored, not confirmed) Philly.
Russ wanted Denver. Unknown what the other deals were or if RW used the no trade clause.
Seattle and Denver had been in talks for 2 weeks.
Rodgers return to GB accelerated the deal, although Denver is said to have zero talks with GB about Rodgers. Reportedly, RW was Denver's plan A all along.
John Clayton's head has exploded.

Seem like local fans/media feel Seattle got fleeced again. Nationally, seems like a fair deal or even tilted toward Seattle. I am OK with the return although I was hoping for 3 1st rounders. I guess having a 2nd in '22 and '23 equals a first in '24. None of the 3 players we got are difference makers. I would feel better if they could have gotten G/C Quinn Meinerz. Good young player at a position of need for us.

[RiverDog]

Downtown Seattle is an open cesspool but the suburbs in places like Bellevue and Redmond aren't that bad.

The optimum time to trade Russell is now. He had a bad season last year, was playing below par even before his injury, so it wasn't a slam dunk that he would have had a decent season, especially if he was of the mindset of wanting out, which we now know to have been the case. If we would have waited, no telling what would have happened. If he sustained another injury or played poorly, then his trade value would have plummeted.

I'm good with what we got, but like others have expressed, I'm skeptical that Pete and John can parlay this into an advantage.

I'm in 100% agreement with this. I thought all along when a QB with 3 years on his deal gets tired enough of getting hit hes talking to the press its not going to end well. Then this season as I've read the film doesn't match the stats. 6-8 as a starter. Some analysts suggested he was in steep decline. This was the year that made sense which is why although I had come to hope Russ came back and was good Russ and really we might have a chance I didn't rule it out no matter how loud John Clayton screamed it wasn't even a possibility.

Like Wyman said today after the news broke it depends on what comes out about whos idea this was who winds up looking bad. I've heard it was 100% Russel wishes being granted and that the deal came down to where he was willing to go, not necessarily the best deal for Seattle. I dont begrudge him a bit nor do I blame the FO for being fed up with being blamed for every playoff loss and seeing leaks in the media constantly.

Lets see what happens. Looks like right now they have Drew Locke, working on Geno according to PC. Id expect a move either for another veteran arm or maybe JS has his eyes on the next RW in a lower round. I didn't know who the hell RW was till they drafted him . There are few qbs as dynamic as Russ but I heard Carroll say many time's last year if you dont give the other team the ball and you pick up 3rd downs and play D and run the ball you dont have to score 40 points a game. Pete ball won.

I don't think we sit still with the QB's we currently have. I would fully expect us to bring in some former starters like Marcus Mariota, Carson Wentz, or Gardner Minshew to compete for the job. We may all think that we're in a full rebuild, but Pete may still believe that he's just a player or two from winning another Lombardi and has his eye on the QB he wants to run his team.

And who knows. I'm not holding my breath, but there's some that believe that Drew Lock was not given a fair chance in Denver, so maybe he blossoms into something totally unexpected.

We may end up going 0-17 next season, but it's going to be an interesting lead up to it.

[obiken]

Of that group I would say bring in MM, but ONLY because I am a Duck Alum.

[NorthHawk]

Is Lock comparable to Goff?
If so, he could be serviceable in a new Waldron Offense should he be given the freedom.
The question about Lock is how is his accuracy and timing? If it's OK and he can limit turnovers then in Pete's
philosophy of protecting the ball he could do well even if we update our Offense.

[trents]

Do you think Wilson will approve the trade to Denver? I know it was one of the franchises that analysts have had on their potential trade targets for sometime. But was it on Wilson's list? Just seems like a lateral move to me rather than affording Wilson an opportunity to play for a SB contender. Is Denver actually that close to being a contender by adding Wilson. And does it fit with Wilson's (and his wife's) lifestyle aspirations. I mean, Denver is not exactly a media mecca.

[Uppercut]

Seahawks are going 100% D, no team will score more than 14 points and the new QB will just have to hand off.

Sea win SB over Denver 2-0

[NorthHawk]

Seahawks are going 100% D, no team will score more than 14 points and the new QB will just have to hand off.

Sea win SB over Denver 2-0

George Allen will be smiling down upon us!

[NorthHawk]

Do you think Wilson will approve the trade to Denver? I know it was one of the franchises that analysts have had on their potential trade targets for sometime. But was it on Wilson's list? Just seems like a lateral move to me rather than affording Wilson an opportunity to play for a SB contender. Is Denver actually that close to being a contender by adding Wilson. And does it fit with Wilson's (and his wife's) lifestyle aspirations. I mean, Denver is not exactly a media mecca.

Of course he will approve the trade. He already had his physical and 11 other teams wanted his services.
Washington had a better package of players/picks, but Wilson didn't want to go there.
The FO wouldn't have pursued the trade details if he wasn't interested in Denver.

Edit:
Apparently he has also signed the papers waiving his no trade clause to go to Denver.

[tarlhawk]

An elite QB makes going to the Super Bowl a little more stacked but I credit the value of Cooper Kupp/Ja'Marr Chase almost as equally as their gifted QBs. Metcalf/Lockett and hopefully Eskridge playing in a balanced Waldron offense with a "decent" if not elite QB still provides opportunity to make the playoffs any given year. Throw in a strong running game to level the time of possession field and you gain some additional leverage.

We didn't only have a "couple" player positions to fill but with our new draft capital and cap room for the next two years should allow us to "fix" our weaknesses and get a decent chance to make the playoffs. Lock had decent scouting reports going into the 2019 draft but even they warned that of all the QBs entering the 2019 draft...Luck was the worst prepared due to inconsistent coaching/change in offensive coordinators. Given good coaching Luck can be groomed to see what his full potential can be...but not an immediate fix.

We need a decent QB who offers an opportunity to make full use of our elite WR corps without breaking the bank. Philly thinks too highly of Minshew to make any attempt at prying him away...costly. Carson Wentz/Teddy Bridgewater might be cheaper and just as effective given our WR talent. This draft has higher risk QB with Malik Willis/ Kenny Pickett and Matt Corral possible...but 2023 QB draft class expected to be much stronger. Just getting to the playoffs gives any NFL team a "punchers chance"...high skilled youth in skill positions improves the odds...some patience required.

[Hawktawk]

Pete Ball wasn't winning until Russell Wilson got here, but I imagine forgot the 7-9, 7-9, and 5-11 prior to Russell Wilson.

Or Pete's years with the Jets with no QB. Or with New England.

Fact is Pete Ball just like any other system out there no matter what it is only works when you have a high quality QB save for a few one offs here and there. Pete and John let the roster degrade to the point where their best option was trading the Pro Bowl QB.

So you tell me what you think is going to happen? We're going to get better or we're going to get far worse against like before Russell arrived and Pete Ball wasn't doing jack squat while Pete tried to sell us on Tarvaris Jackson, Charlie Whitehurst and Matt Flynn who aren't doing jack squat.

While Elway, who knows a think about winning teams and having a quality QB was willing to bet a ton that having Russell Wilson will make for a better team than having a bunch of draft picks and no quality QB when it comes to contending.

I know fans like yourself have forgotten what it was like here before Russell Wilson. I've been watching Seattle for as long as you and this has been the best Seattle football ever and most contention ever and the main difference has been having an elite Pro Bowl QB rather than just a good QB like a Matt Hasselbeck or a Dave Krieg. It makes a huge difference and it still astounds me how most Seattle fans don't realize this.

But when this forum is filled with threads about finding that next QB and Pete's trying to sell us on Geno Smith or the backup we got from Denver while we're losing year after year and not making the playoffs, I won't be sharing the fool's view that having a Pro Bowl QB is a must for competing.

I feel trading Russ is going too accelerate the Seahawks downward fall while we don't have an owner that even cares about keeping the Seahawks.

Pete had a playoff team at both his first 2 HC positions in the league. Pete bettered the previous 2 seasons in 2010 and 2011 by 2 and 3 wins respectively and won a playoff game over Shawn Payton with a broken down Hasselbeck. And he didn't have Bennet or Avril or Chris Clemons or Bruce Irvin or Kam Chancellor those first 2 years. They got us beast mode. I'm not debating Russel's greatness but you need to accept that Russ isn't the only reason this was a great run.

We need to accept that he wanted to leave and if he didn't he wouldn't have waved his no trade clause or basically had Rodgers leaking like the Trump white house for 2 years straight and specifically mentioning Denver.
Russ has no excuses now so lets see what happens. PC and JS hit lightning in a bottle once, several times actually. I still dont think for a second they are planning to suck for whoever next year. They have a plan . I hadn't heard a work about Jodi not wanting the team either.