QBs and social media

[Hawktawk]

Russ has taken the Seahawks off his bio on Twitter and Instagram . This on the heels of Kyler Murray scrubbing his accounts and Rodgers continual coy social media posts . What is up
With this ? Attention seeking ? Of course the talking heads are delighted to have it to speculate on . I guess for me if Russ wanted to quiet this rumor down probably this did the opposite .

[c_hawkbob]

Evidently he just changed both Twitter; to a picture of he and his family, and Instagram; to this picture of him in a Seahawks jersey:



I wouldn't read much into either change.

[RiverDog]

Yeah, I wouldn't read much into it, either.

But I did read an article today that said that if Denver strikes out in their attempts to get Rodgers, that they would be making a run at Russell, and that the minimum price would be 3-#1's.

It's that time of year again. Lots of rumors about a lot of stuff.

[Aseahawkfan]

I have full trust in Russell Wilson. He's not Aaron Rodgers. He'll do the right thing and act in a forthright manner. He always does.

[Hawktawk]

I have full trust in Russell Wilson. He's not Aaron Rodgers. He'll do the right thing and act in a forthright manner. He always does.

Today the Russell rumor is Indy. Irsay is reportedly in love with Wilson and would give a boatload for him. Who knows if that true but that's another team like Denver or Commanders or Eagles that seem to be a QB away.

And come on Asea . Russ is a great guy but he knows well when he starts messing with his social media pages in this critical time its gonna raise questions and start the rumor mill. His actions and statements over the past 2 seasons have been a lot like Rodgers although hes a much more polished likeable guy who doesn't come off as an @$$hole.Maybe hes just having some fun. I didn't think his comments last offseason were the right thing to do thought.

We will know before his roster bonus is due if its just reporters selling copy.

[NorthHawk]

All of these trade rumors pop up, but rarely do they include who the other team would give up or if they have the draft ammunition.
If Russ went to Indy and they kept their team intact, I have no doubt they would go deep into the playoffs, but if we demanded
two of their best players plus draft picks (considering their picks with Wilson would be pretty late), they would have a tougher time getting to the SB.
Same goes for the trade rumors to Pittsburgh - what would they give up and what would we demand?
I think the bidding would start at 3 first round picks but would require more for a currently contending team.

[NorthHawk]

A quote from ProFootballRumors.com:

Wilson has said he wants to stay with the Seahawks, but coming out of a disappointing season, the veteran quarterback has also been connected to exploring his options to see if another team could give him opportunities his current one cannot. For the time being, owner Jody Allen is behind keeping Wilson, Albert Breer of SI.com notes. It is unclear how much Allen supports ensuring the perennial Pro Bowler stays in Washington, and given Wilson’s value at age 33 and with two years left on his contract, Breer does expect a trade to eventually happen. After Rodgers makes his intentions known, this will be the top QB situation to monitor.

It makes me wonder if Jody is more involved than I thought.

[Hawktawk]

I never though Jodi wasn’t involved . People made her out to be some wallflower or potted plant. Paul wouldn’t have put her in charge . She’s got extremely smart people working for her . My suspicion is walking it back was a very close call and PC was saved by the last few performances giving hope for next year .
Russ in Seattle makes sense for both parties next year at least but if anyone thinks phone calls aren’t being made they are delusional . Anything’s for sale if the price is right.

[RiverDog]

Russ in Seattle makes sense for both parties next year at least but if anyone thinks phone calls aren’t being made they are delusional . Anything’s for sale if the price is right.

I agree. Even if you're dead set against trading him, it's not going to hurt to listen to offers.

[NorthHawk]

I think GM's in all sports hear offers every week, but things rarely happen other than talk.
It's difficult to give up a starting QB who's a frequent Pro Bowl selection and then try to find another one who can be as successful.
How many teams are looking for one today and how many have been looking for years?

[Aseahawkfan]

Today the Russell rumor is Indy. Irsay is reportedly in love with Wilson and would give a boatload for him. Who knows if that true but that's another team like Denver or Commanders or Eagles that seem to be a QB away.

And come on Asea . Russ is a great guy but he knows well when he starts messing with his social media pages in this critical time its gonna raise questions and start the rumor mill. His actions and statements over the past 2 seasons have been a lot like Rodgers although hes a much more polished likeable guy who doesn't come off as an @$$hole.Maybe hes just having some fun. I didn't think his comments last offseason were the right thing to do thought.

We will know before his roster bonus is due if its just reporters selling copy.

A new rumor about trades doesn't mean jack squat too me. The Seahawks have not indicated they are interested in trading Russell or even talked about it at all. But for some reason Seattle fans eat this crap up like Seattle has indicated in any way they are interested in trading Russell, which they have not.

They look for any indication of a problem reading into any move by Russell far more than he has said. Sorry, until Russell states he wants to be traded and is unhappy, I don't worry about it.

I go by Russell's actions, not these insinuations. Russell does nothing but prepare the best he can to give us the best chance to win every year. He will do that for any team who has him which is why teams would gladly trade for him. He's a high character guy who does a lot of good in his community.

I don't worry about Russell Wilson not doing the right thing one little bit. I love having him as our QB. I hope he retires in a Seattle Jersey. If the FO trades him, they are stupid.

[Hawktawk]

I’d love to see Russ retire a hawk with some more hardware too. I agree he’s a high character guy , a good godly man , generous and beneficent . But his agent did list teams , Schneider was on the phone with Chicago about a blockbuster deal a year ago . It’s not a secret . And come on man can you at at least acknowledge he’s been playing a little pr game? I heard him called out in an interview a few weeks ago . He was talking about how the media likes to make up stuff and the reporter said wait a minute it was Mark Rodgers making a list , not the media . It was you saying you were tired of getting hit not the media . Kinda threw Russ off .
He’s a great guy. Great QB. But he’s more complicated than some think , he’s clearly open to a trade to the right situation and I’ll actually believe he’s here for the season when he is . With what happened with Brady and Stafford and a weak QB class I’m sure the phone is ringing off the hook in Schneider’s office . Don’t think for one minute Russell didn’t notice what happened to those 2 guys either .

[Aseahawkfan]

I’d love to see Russ retire a hawk with some more hardware too. I agree he’s a high character guy , a good godly man , generous and beneficent . But his agent did list teams , Schneider was on the phone with Chicago about a blockbuster deal a year ago . It’s not a secret . And come on man can you at at least acknowledge he’s been playing a little pr game? I heard him called out in an interview a few weeks ago . He was talking about how the media likes to make up stuff and the reporter said wait a minute it was Mark Rodgers making a list , not the media . It was you saying you were tired of getting hit not the media . Kinda threw Russ off .
He’s a great guy. Great QB. But he’s more complicated than some think , he’s clearly open to a trade to the right situation and I’ll actually believe he’s here for the season when he is . With what happened with Brady and Stafford and a weak QB class I’m sure the phone is ringing off the hook in Schneider’s office . Don’t think for one minute Russell didn’t notice what happened to those 2 guys either .

Agents are agents. Russ probably trusts his agent, so let's him work as needed. But when it comes down to it, Russ will do what is right. So I don't worry about it.

[NorthHawk]

Russ will look after what’s best for Russ and not the Seahawks. If he really wants to stay he would have
said unequivocally that he wants an extension and has no intention of waiving his no trade contract.
Instead what we’ve seen is him providing a list of teams he’s willing to waive the no trade clause for.
This isn’t just smoke, it’s an evaluation by Russ as to whether he wants to stay or go, and some of the
biggest factors are his chances to win more SB’s and his legacy.
If he doesn’t think he can achieve that here then he will want to move on to a team that can give him a better
chance. But make no mistake, it’s all about what’s best for him.

[Aseahawkfan]

Russ will look after what’s best for Russ and not the Seahawks. If he really wants to stay he would have
said unequivocally that he wants an extension and has no intention of waiving his no trade contract.
Instead what we’ve seen is him providing a list of teams he’s willing to waive the no trade clause for.
This isn’t just smoke, it’s an evaluation by Russ as to whether he wants to stay or go, and some of the
biggest factors are his chances to win more SB’s and his legacy.
If he doesn’t think he can achieve that here then he will want to move on to a team that can give him a better
chance. But make no mistake, it’s all about what’s best for him.

I believe neither of your assertions. I don't think Russ is about what's best for Russ. If Russ thought that way, he wouldn't be visiting children's hospitals on his own time or doing the charitable work he does and he would be way more arrogant than he is. I also don't believe Russ is all about loyalty to the Seahawks and will do anything to stay. I believe Russ is a businessman involved in the sport and business of football. He was drafted by Seattle and enjoys his time here. He appreciates that Pete and John believed in him and gave him his shot to start and the Seattle fans have embraced him as their QB. So he does have an attachment and fondness for Seattle. But at the same time he understands he does not have control over his destiny and if the team decides to trade him, he doesn't have a choice one way or the other. I don't know why fans like yourself feel the need to paint Russ as some selfish guy only interested in himself, but whatever. It's not what I see with Russ.

Russ will continue to prepare and do his best to win. He has spent 9 years in Seattle. And I'm not going to worry about the best player on our team. All I want is Pete and John to stop making trades that don't work and get back to using the draft to acquire quality players and only make high value, low cost trades. Not this high cost, moderate to low value trades wasting our draft capital.

I don't see Russ as the problem with Seattle at all. I think the team would be idiots to trade Russ that would cast us back into bottom feeding and a full rebuild. I'm not in the Seahawk fan camp that wants to trade Russ. I feel that part of the fan base is going to find out the hard way that QBs like Russ are extremely hard to find which is why we've only had a QB this good once and it's far smarter to build a good team around him than contemplate what draft capital we can get from trading him that Pete and John can trade away for players that don't work out.

Seahawk fans should be calling out Pete and John for failing to rebuild the defense and a competitive run game, not bagging on Russ and trying to figure out if he wants a trade or not.

[obiken]

Russ will look after what’s best for Russ and not the Seahawks. If he really wants to stay he would have
said unequivocally that he wants an extension and has no intention of waiving his no trade contract.
Instead what we’ve seen is him providing a list of teams he’s willing to waive the no trade clause for.
This isn’t just smoke, it’s an evaluation by Russ as to whether he wants to stay or go, and some of the
biggest factors are his chances to win more SB’s and his legacy.
If he doesn’t think he can achieve that here then he will want to move on to a team that can give him a better
chance. But make no mistake, it’s all about what’s best for him.

Aristotle was my favorite Philosopher, and I think the truth usually lies somewhere in between two extremes. He is not Saint Russ, and not a self serving devil. I think Russ carried us for 5 years after the fall of the LOB, and I think he wants what is best for Ciara and his career. That is why I think Indy and Denver are out. I am hearing on the Herd that DC is an option, that I buy. You don't think he knows Pete is done, come on, he is a smart guy. This is a divorce between 2 good people that know its over, and neither one wants to be the bad guy. Its like when Wayne Gretzky left the Oilers, it was blamelessly ugly. Next year we are headed for that.

[Hawktawk]

Can we separate out Russ the incredibly generous charitable good person from Russ the BUSINESSMAN? And don’t mistake the FO as a bunch of doting fans of Russ. The respect and love is there . We know what’s been done in the last 10 years but last year was a wake up call. The FO is looking at Russ with the same flinty eyes he’s looking at them . In 2 years max they have to decide if he’s worth 45 or 50 million . And I saw the best analysis yet of Russels last year and a half in QB power ranking article . “The film doesn’t match the stats “. The article does say Russ started the year playing at a high level and also ended it on a high level. I disagreed about the first part of the year but felt like the last few weeks with Penney and Russ going off that the offense was as smooth as anytime since 2012 . I don’t think anything is a slam dunk at this point though .we will know soon .

[obiken]

Love Russ or despise him, I think we have him for one more year and thats it.

[obiken]

I believe neither of your assertions. I don't think Russ is about what's best for Russ. If Russ thought that way, he wouldn't be visiting children's hospitals on his own time or doing the charitable work he does and he would be way more arrogant than he is. I also don't believe Russ is all about loyalty to the Seahawks and will do anything to stay. I believe Russ is a businessman involved in the sport and business of football. He was drafted by Seattle and enjoys his time here. He appreciates that Pete and John believed in him and gave him his shot to start and the Seattle fans have embraced him as their QB. So he does have an attachment and fondness for Seattle. But at the same time he understands he does not have control over his destiny and if the team decides to trade him, he doesn't have a choice one way or the other. I don't know why fans like yourself feel the need to paint Russ as some selfish guy only interested in himself, but whatever. It's not what I see with Russ.

Russ will continue to prepare and do his best to win. He has spent 9 years in Seattle. And I'm not going to worry about the best player on our team. All I want is Pete and John to stop making trades that don't work and get back to using the draft to acquire quality players and only make high value, low cost trades. Not this high cost, moderate to low value trades wasting our draft capital.

I don't see Russ as the problem with Seattle at all. I think the team would be idiots to trade Russ that would cast us back into bottom feeding and a full rebuild. I'm not in the Seahawk fan camp that wants to trade Russ. I feel that part of the fan base is going to find out the hard way that QBs like Russ are extremely hard to find which is why we've only had a QB this good once and it's far smarter to build a good team around him than contemplate what draft capital we can get from trading him that Pete and John can trade away for players that don't work out.

Seahawk fans should be calling out Pete and John for failing to rebuild the defense and a competitive run game, not bagging on Russ and trying to figure out if he wants a trade or not.

Those are my feelings exactly ASHF!

[NorthHawk]

Russ visits children's hospitals because he likes it AND it fits very well with his image.
That image is very important to him and is part of his legacy, but he can do that in any other city where he plays and the other part of his legacy is Super Bowl wins.
He will go to another team if he thinks they give him a better chance to win another SB, but he doesn't want to burn bridges when leaving in large part because it
would hurt his image as a good guy. That image also makes him lots of money outside of football so being the savvy business person, he's not going to actively
damage it.
In the end, though, it's all about him - and rightly so because this career could end at any time and he has a relatively short time to build and maintain his brand.
I hope he stays here, but in the end that decision will be up to him.

One other thing: In reading about the coaching changes that Pete has made this year and if the reports about the new coaches are true with the responsibilities and
power they have, it seems that Pete might be stepping back a little. If so and he is the same on the Offensive side of the ball, it might encourage Russ to stay as
he wants more input in the Offense. I think it's time for Pete to go, but if he does stay and becomes more of a director of on field operations it could help this
team retain Wilson.

[Hawktawk]

I believe all these young coaches were hired to transition PC to more of a figurehead . When I listen to Clint Hurt I hear a guy that’s gonna make the calls on defense . Just a feeling but I think all this new blood with more autonomy was the only way Pete was gonna get to stay was to accept a loss of control . Same as Holmgren being stripped of the GM duties after not winning a playoff game his first 5 years . This was more subtle but seems obvious .

[RiverDog]

Russ visits children's hospitals because he likes it AND it fits very well with his image.
That image is very important to him and is part of his legacy, but he can do that in any other city where he plays and the other part of his legacy is Super Bowl wins. He will go to another team if he thinks they give him a better chance to win another SB, but he doesn't want to burn bridges when leaving in large part because it would hurt his image as a good guy. That image also makes him lots of money outside of football so being the savvy business person, he's not going to actively damage it.

In the end, though, it's all about him - and rightly so because this career could end at any time and he has a relatively short time to build and maintain his brand. I hope he stays here, but in the end that decision will be up to him.

I completely agree. People that think that Russell is a different breed, that he's such a magnanimous altruistic human being vs. unadulterated assholes like Aaron Rodgers, are truly naive. I'm not saying that he's a phony or insincere, to the contrary, his visits to Children's hospital seems to me to come straight from his heart, that it gives him a certain sense of satisfaction to see those kids smile, and to be honest, it's not something that I could do, or at least not as easily as he does, as I can't stand seeing terminally ill or severely handicapped children and would rather tell myself that such conditions don't exist. What I am saying is that Russell is driven by the same selfish forces that every one of us are. He has a more unique way in striving to achieve his goals than most others, but his objective is the same.

One other thing: In reading about the coaching changes that Pete has made this year and if the reports about the new coaches are true with the responsibilities and power they have, it seems that Pete might be stepping back a little. If so and he is the same on the Offensive side of the ball, it might encourage Russ to stay as he wants more input in the Offense. I think it's time for Pete to go, but if he does stay and becomes more of a director of on field operations it could help this team retain Wilson.

I'll believe that when I see it. If he were 20 years younger, then I could see him turning another leaf and modify his coaching style, but doing so at this stage of his career? If I've learned anything by my growing old, it's that age has caused me to get more stubborn and self-righteous. Or at least that's what everyone tells me.

[Aseahawkfan]

I completely agree. People that think that Russell is a different breed, that he's such a magnanimous altruistic human being vs. unadulterated assholes like Aaron Rodgers, are truly naive. I'm not saying that he's a phony or insincere, to the contrary, his visits to Children's hospital seems to me to come straight from his heart, that it gives him a certain sense of satisfaction to see those kids smile, and to be honest, it's not something that I could do, or at least not as easily as he does, as I can't stand seeing terminally ill or severely handicapped children and would rather tell myself that such conditions don't exist. What I am saying is that Russell is driven by the same selfish forces that every one of us are. He has a more unique way in striving to achieve his goals than most others, but his objective is the same.

I'm sorry. I don't agree at all. I think Russell Wilson is a less selfish and a better human being than most. It does not mean I think he will give us a discount or what not as this is a business. But make no mistake about it, Russ is cut from a better cloth than most humans. His character, the discipline, the way he conducts himself in the community and with others, and his overall mentality shows a human being who has chosen to elevate himself and prioritize life in a different way than most humans. I don't believe his objective is the same as most humans. I don't think more money to party or live a lavish lifestyle is what drives Russ. I very much think that Russ wants to improve the lives of others, inspire people to greater heights, and to take care of the people around him.

I truly believe he is a better man than men like Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady in the character department. I think he shows it all the time without broadcasting it to others as to him it is unnecessary. He goes to children's hospitals because he feels a duty to do so partly driven by his faith. I think he helps his community for the same reason.

Sorry, I can't agree. Russ is cut from a different cloth than most humans. He is not Saint Russ, but he's definitely not like everyone else who wants stuff or a lavish lifestyle for the sake of it. Russ has an excellent moral code. After he retires, I expect him to pursue helping others even more than he does now. Russ likes to have fun, but he is also very invested in ideas of community and helping others and willing to spend his time and money to do so.

You can tell from the way Russ carries himself, to his background, to the way he conducts his life that Russell Wilson is a great guy. Another reason I like having him as our QB and team leader.

[Hawktawk]

Russ is as great a person as there is . He’s a great QB. But he and Ciara clearly attract celebrity attention and they bask in it. There’s not a damn thing wrong with it . But they are celebrities off the field.


As for what our FO reportedly would have to have to trade him most leaks or whatever reporter trying to sell copy the # comes down to 3 first round picks minimum . I’ve read it several places .

Most league analysts believe that is too high a price for anyone to pay , another reason to believe he will be here next year .
Or maybe it’s all baloney .

[NorthHawk]

There's talk of Rodgers being traded (if he demands it), Favre got traded, Brady went to the Bucs, Stafford was traded for 2 firsts, a 3rd, and a starting QB.
I think the bare minimum for Wilson would be 3 firsts, but to the most desperate team he could return that plus players that start or are stars on their own.
Washington would maybe be 3 firsts plus a DL or starting T.
However, giving up Wilson would leave a huge hole in the Offense that would be very hard to fill, and probably for a long time, too.
So I hope we keep him, but if Pete is still here and influencing the Offense, then my optimism is quite diminished.

[Aseahawkfan]

Pete said no Russell trade in the works and they aren't interested. Just like he's said before again and again.

[NorthHawk]

Pete says a lot of things and some of them are actually true.

[Aseahawkfan]

Pete says a lot of things and some of them are actually true.

Never heard Pete play games with the QB position. But you keep telling yourself it's a possibility if you want to keep the drama train rolling.

I know Russ will be here when the season starts.

[NorthHawk]

Probably right, but it doesn’t mean he’s happy, and that isn’t good for the team.
As well, the teams with new coaches means his options are changed or limited
depending on how he sees it.
If he was really happy, when talking about being here he wouldn’t have said he hopes to stay, rather he
would say he’s not going anywhere as he has a no trade clause. Instead he sent out a list of teams he
would waive it for. As well, he would be talking about an extension of his contract.
But he only talks about “hoping to be here”.

[govandals]

Pete says a lot of things and some of them are actually true.

Great comment, NorthHawk. Very funny and absolutely true!

[RiverDog]

Speaking of QB's, it looks like we're at least entertaining the idea of resigning Geno as Russell's backup:

According to Gregg Bell of the Tacoma News Tribune, Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll said he wants to re-sign Geno Smith as his second-string quarterback. While Smith is currently under investigation for a DUI arrest in January, Carroll said the case “is likely to run its course this offseason.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/se ... d=msedgntp

Likely to run its course? Does Pete know something that we don't?

To refresh our memories, Geno was arrested for DUI while driving 96 mph less than 2 months ago, and to make matters worse, was extremely belligerent and uncooperative with the arresting officers.

[NorthHawk]

What's the penalty for a DUI conviction?
Is there a trend of making examples of big names in the State?

[RiverDog]

What's the penalty for a DUI conviction?
Is there a trend of making examples of big names in the State?

It depends. If this was a first offense and if he tested below .15 BAC, then it's a 90 day minimum license suspension. But Smith refused the breath and blood test, which tosses it into the 2nd category, ie a 1 year license suspension. But it doesn't get tossed into the felony category unless he had several prior DUI's or had an accident that caused injuries.

There's also the matter of his resisting arrest and speeding 20+ mph over the speed limit.

Richard Sherman had what seemed to be a very serious incident that had a lot of the same threads as this one, but he was allowed to play, so I guess it wouldn't be all that unusual. Nevertheless, it seems like Pete is dismissing the incident as no big deal. It could have ended up like what happened to Ruggs in Las Vegas.

[tarlhawk]

Nevertheless, it seems like Pete is dismissing the incident as no big deal. It could have ended up like what happened to Ruggs in Las Vegas.

Pete's comment seems to be based on a professional viewpoint...not a social view that he has no control over. He merely said he would like to have Geno as RW's back-up and that his time in court will probably be decided on before off-season is concluded and then any pursuit of Geno can be addressed.

[Hawktawk]

Well I guess what Carroll saw is the same thing I saw which was a damn fine performance by a backup to a qb who never gets injured . Carroll had referred to Jacksonville as one of our best games after the season .

I’m surprised he’s so matter of fact after the DUI and attendant actions with the police . Character first doesn’t cut it in Seattle or much of anywhere.
Wyman and Bob were surprised although Wyman said a couple weeks ago he thought Geno might get a training camp invite to a camp with a chance to compete . John Clayton doesn’t agree with him at all. Let’s see .if Russ is indeed back I hope we never see him play again in the regular season but if needed he gives us a chance .

[NorthHawk]

I don't think I can remember Pete ever throwing someone under the bus.
He's not that kind of coach so it's in character for him to be positive - if there can be a positive in this situation.

[Hawktawk]

It’s not Ruggs . Geno was doing 95 in a Rolls Royce on a multi lane 1 way freeway . The car wasn’t even starting to run hard . I routinely merge at 90 plus in our evil 750 horse Jeep . Not drinking though

. Ruggs was doing 156 mph in a residential neiborhood after 17 shots and routinely engaged in that behavior as shown by social media . Sherman’s issue was far worse than Geno . I’m not judging Geno I had a DUI. I was completely polite but I still paid a price . I learned it’s not worth taking a chance .
Hopefully Geno gets the message whether he’s here or not . Don’t drink and drive

[RiverDog]

It’s not Ruggs . Geno was doing 95 in a Rolls Royce on a multi lane 1 way freeway . The car wasn’t even starting to run hard . I routinely merge at 90 plus in our evil 750 horse Jeep . Not drinking though

. Ruggs was doing 156 mph in a residential neiborhood after 17 shots and routinely engaged in that behavior as shown by social media . Sherman’s issue was far worse than Geno . I’m not judging Geno I had a DUI. I was completely polite but I still paid a price . I learned it’s not worth taking a chance .
Hopefully Geno gets the message whether he’s here or not . Don’t drink and drive

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. Geno wasn't on I-80 in southern Wyoming. He was doing 36mph over the speed limit on a metropolitan freeway, changing lanes without signaling, he had been drinking, plus he was belligerent, resisted arrest and threatened the arresting officers, telling one of them that he had "little dick syndrome". It's pretty hard to spin that and put a smiley face on it, but hey, he's a favorite of yours, so why not?

Geno needs a little more messaging besides don't drink and drive, like don't drive like a maniac and don't act like an a-hole.

[Hawktawk]

You’re kind of over the top . I like players making plays , infatuated by it as you say . You get pretty infatuated with your position on things too River . My comments about Genos legal issue in no way excuse his behavior but rather puts it in the context of the comparison you made between 95 on the freeway and a guy with 17 shots doing 156 on a residential street .

As I also correctly pointed out Sherman drove into an active construction site , crashed into a Jersey barrier . Fled the scene on 3 wheels , tried to break into a house , fought police . He was on a roster . He pled out to 2 gross misdemeanors today to avoid further jail time .

My comments regarding this have nothing to do with the fact that PC agreed so much more with me then you he’s willing to take a pr hit to bring him back . Geno can play . Someone’s wrong .

[RiverDog]

You’re kind of over the top . I like players making plays , infatuated by it as you say . You get pretty infatuated with your position on things too River . My comments about Genos legal issue in no way excuse his behavior but rather puts it in the context of the comparison you made between 95 on the freeway and a guy with 17 shots doing 156 on a residential street .

As I also correctly pointed out Sherman drove into an active construction site , crashed into a Jersey barrier . Fled the scene on 3 wheels , tried to break into a house , fought police . He was on a roster . He pled out to 2 gross misdemeanors today to avoid further jail time .

My comments regarding this have nothing to do with the fact that PC agreed so much more with me then you he’s willing to take a pr hit to bring him back . Geno can play . Someone’s wrong .

Yes, Sherman's incident was bad, and just like Geno's mishap, it was nothing but dumb luck that kept him from killing someone. They both exhibited horribly bad judgment, and rating one as worse than the other is a little like arguing over who's step sister is uglier. But since Geno is on your Christmas card list and Sherm isn't, he's more of a villain than Geno.