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[RiverDog]

All three of them (Tebow, Newton, and Wilson) freakshow athletes playing QB. Only one has the brains to play QB at an elite level. That's our guy. Russell Wilson.

That's a good point. Tebow was/is a bit of a blockhead. Back when they used to post Wonderlic scores, Tebow scored a 22, which is well below the average for a quarterback.

They used to have a formula called the 26-27-60 rule that predicted success at the NFL level: If a quarterback scored 26 or higher on the Wonderlic, starts at least 27 games in college, and completes 60% of their passes, they stand a good chance of succeeding at the next level.

QBs that have passed this rule: Sam Bradford, Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Tony Romo, Matt Schaub, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb, Matt Ryan, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Matt Stafford.

QBs who did not pass this rule: Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, Heath Shuler, Jimmy Clausen, Jay Cutler, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow, Alex Smith (1 game short), Jeff George, and Vince Young.

Exceptions: Brett Favre (22 Wonderlic), McNabb (14 Wonderlic), Matt Leinart - who at USC played over 30 games, 35 Wonderlic, and threw over 63% all three years. Aaron Rodgers averaged 63.8 completion percentage, 35 Wonderlic, and 26 games (1 game short). Ben Roethlisberger scored a 25 on the Wonderlic (1 point short) but easily had the number of games and high completion %. Josh Freeman met all the rules except completion % at KSU (59.1%) - so close.

https://www.hogshaven.com/2011/1/27/195 ... f-26-27-60

Just a refresher on the Wonderlic: 50 is perfect. The highest score ever was Ryan Fitzpatrick, a Harvard grad, with a 48. Eli Manning scored a 39. Andrew Luck 37, Drew Bledsoe 36, Tom Brady 33, Peyton Manning 28. On the lower end, JaMarcus Russell scored a 24, Cam Newton 21, Jake Locker 20. Vince Young holds the record for the lowest score when he pegged a 6, but in Young's defense, they didn't test players in Terry Bradshaw's day. And in case you are wondering, Russell Wilson scored a 28.

[Hawktawk]

For his career he completed 56% of his passes and his qbr is in the 70s , 90 something all time qbr. But he still win a lot and threw 300 TDs . Why ? Because he was a big athletic guy with a cannon arm who ran around and beat people as we both saw.

You must be talking about his college stats as his NFL stats aren't anywhere close to those numbers.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... boTi00.htm

“I was talking about Elways career stats . Not sure how Tebow wound up in there . By the time Elway retired that’s pretty bad accuracy . But he’s HOF and rightfully so . Tebows game in Denver when starting was virtually identical to Elway except more TDs and way less picks . He threw exactly 8 passes as a jet and completed 6 which is why his career average went up after leaving Denver . By the time idiot chip Kelley chose Matt Barkley over him he was completing balls in the mid 60%.”


My point is had he stayed in Denver with a GM that liked him he would have only gotten better . He’s a positive minded never say die winner , much like a young Russ . He is an excellent analyst who would have improved at reading the field etc .

Your point is truly laughable.

Tim Tebow's NFL career completion percentage over the 3 years he was on NFL rosters was 47.9%, which included a 47.3% completion percentage in his time with the Broncos, the team you said screwed him over because of his religious beliefs. No wonder he didn't make it. No quarterback is going to stay in the league very long when they complete less than 50% of their passes. Had it not been for his running ability and potential to play another position, he wouldn't have gotten the shots that he did.[/quote]

“He completed 70% in college and then the pro coaches tried to “ fix him”. I don’t recall another such extreme example of ruining a guys accuracy . He’d have worked his way through it . Lamar Jackson couldn’t throw coming in the league . Josh Allen was in the high 50% range ..in Today’s NFL tebow would have gone over like hotcakes. “ people forget that in about a season worth of starts Tebow rushed for almost 1 k yards and 12 TDs in his brief career . In 2011 alone he rushed for 444 yards and 6 TDs for that playoff team .

As for intelligence it you think Tebow is dumb based on some wonderlic score you’re not paying attention . The guy is a brilliant football analyst . I still remember him breaking down a game winning play against the Jets when he was with the Broncos . Elway was jealous of him and Manning gave him an opening to kill his career .

You weren’t paying attention during 2011 when Tebow was pulling out win after win starting on an 0-5 team and watching Elway frowning in the press box . Listening to derisive negative comments in postgame interviews by Elway delivered in a sarcastic d#ck head tone of voice . He hated Tebow who was him 40 years later big raw athletic guy running around to the adoration of the fans more than anyone since you know who. Hated him . Banished him.

Laugh all you want . It’s what I do looking at that Denver QB roster . Tebow would be an improvement right now .

[RiverDog]

Your point is truly laughable.

Tim Tebow's NFL career completion percentage over the 3 years he was on NFL rosters was 47.9%, which included a 47.3% completion percentage in his time with the Broncos, the team you said screwed him over because of his religious beliefs. No wonder he didn't make it. No quarterback is going to stay in the league very long when they complete less than 50% of their passes. Had it not been for his running ability and potential to play another position, he wouldn't have gotten the shots that he did.

“He completed 70% in college and then the pro coaches tried to “ fix him”. I don’t recall another such extreme example of ruining a guys accuracy . He’d have worked his way through it . Lamar Jackson couldn’t throw coming in the league . Josh Allen was in the high 50% range ..in Today’s NFL tebow would have gone over like hotcakes. “

As for intelligence it you think Tebow is dumb based on some wonderlic score you’re not paying attention . The guy is a brilliant football analyst . I still remember him breaking down a game winning play against the Jets when he was with the Broncos . Elway was jealous of him and Manning gave him an opening to kill his career .

You weren’t paying attention during 2011 when Tebow was pulling out win after win starting on an 0-5 team and watching Elway frowning in the press box . Listening to derisive negative comments in postgame interviews by Elway delivered in a sarcastic d#ck head tone of voice . He hated Tebow who was him 40 years later big raw athletic guy running around to the adoration of the fans more than anyone since you know who. Hated him . Banished him.

Laugh all you want . It’s what I do looking at that Denver QB roster . Tebow would be an improvement right now .

Tebow and Elway played in different eras. During Elway's era, quarterbacks only averaged around 55-56%. By the time Tebow entered the league in 2010, that percentage had jumped to 61% and now sits at 65%. Elway's career 56.9% is slightly above average for his era. Besides, I don't know why you insist on comparing Tebow with Elway. Apples and oranges.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... assing.htm

You're exaggerating Tebow's college completion percentage. He never came close to completing 70% of his passes. His best season was 67.8% and his career was 66.4%.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pl ... bow-1.html

I'll concede that a 66% completion percentage is very good, but it's not the same as completing passes in the NFL. Tebow didn't have the luxury of playing against vastly overmatched defenses as exists in the heavily skewed college football world vs. the NFL's parity. And yes, Tebow did have a good run for a very short period of time, leading the Broncos to a playoff appearance. BFD. So did RG3 and Mark Sanchez, but no one's talking about them like you're talking about Tebow.

And please, don't pump up Tebow's smarts based on his television appearances. Terry Bradshaw can make you think he's Albert Einstein when he appears on TV, but the reality is that he couldn't spell 'cat' if you spotted him the 'c' and the 'a'. Anyone can read off a teleprompter, even your favorite POTUS!

[Aseahawkfan]

Tebow knows football. So does Brock Huard. Knowing football and being able to process it at game speed, two different things. It's what separates the Aaron Curries and Tim Tebows from the Russell Wilsons and Bobby Wagners.

[NorthHawk]

Always interesting (to me) to watch things unfold each year as Free Agency has to be delt with, followed by the draft. The latter sometimes affects the former, and the former usually affects the latter. Draft is always tough: only about 50% of picks 15-64 get a 2nd contract; and OL is especially tough. This year, about a third of the teams have OL has a top need, so the position will be picked apart early. Pass rushers however are though to be the strongest in the draft (one analyst as 9 in the top 40 and another 8 at 51-100). I saw Heaps suggesting they re-work Russell and Bobby to a) free more cap space and b) extend. There are a few good OL FA's, so maybe that's a strategy - although the Schneider has preferred to stay away from the high priced guys and look for later bargins.

Getting back to the original post, the more I see and hear about the prospects, the more it looks like it will
be heavy along the Lines of Scrimmage. The first round might have some surprises but the meat of the talent
along the LoS should be available until the mid to late 4th round. If our FO plays it right we could end up with
more than one or two starters and maybe a good RB. It looks fairly deep at TE too so maybe one of those will
become a Seahawk.
This is good for us as both sides of the LoS need help so all we need is for our FO to not keep trying to show
everyone how smart they are and make the best pick that’s sitting in front of them.