Brady

[Stream Hawk]

His Tampa days confirmed it to me. The GOAT. Best ever, but glad he’s done.

[obiken]

Mad respect. don't like him much but I respect his accomplishments.

I dont see whats to dislike, or like CB, he's the model of the salary cap era, just like the Pats. He took pay cuts to get rings, he was like like Jordan to me, a winner, all about winning. Respect yeah, admire no. GOAT? Okay if your criteria is Rings, but he is a product of the wussyfacation of the NFL.

[Aseahawkfan]

Looks like he's decided to hang it up:

Tom Brady is retiring from football after 22 seasons in which he won a historic seven Super Bowl titles, sources told ESPN.

Sources said that Brady's decision to retire is based on several factors, including family and health. While less significant, Brady also recognizes that the Buccaneers are likely to undergo significant roster turnover, sources said.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/331 ... ources-say

Good. What else can he do? He's done it all. Go rest with your hot wife, Brady. The title of his book can be "Tom Brady: An NFL Fairy Tale".

Now the league is truly wide open.

[Aseahawkfan]

If forced to choose a GOAT, I might say Brady, but I simply do not think that choosing one makes sense. What automobile is the GOAT? Which actor? The best burrito? Step right up and make your opinion known, and I'll just shake my head indulgently.

I don't consider Brady the GOAT NFL player as that would be impossible. I consider Brady the GOAT NFL QB. At that particular position in the NFL, no one has done it better in their career.

I don't think you can pick a GOAT player in football. Too many variable factors.

Football is one of those sports where each position is measured differently. Basketball you can pick a GOAT because they all kind of build up the same stats with maybe slight differences in focus with centers getting blocks or guards getting steals. Baseball hitters and pitchers sort of the same. The NFL is highly specialized, so you can really only measure players at the same position against each other.

[c_hawkbob]

I consider Brady the GOAT NFL QB

That's all the conversation has ever been to me. There is no GOAT football player, the positions are all too specialized. And if their were the criteria would have to be someone who could excel at any position (or the most positions), like Sweetness maybe. Other than interior line I think he could have been all pro at any position.

[NorthHawk]

Now there’s a report he hasn’t made up his mind yet.
If he does it will mean 3 of the better QBs to play will retire in 2 years.

[RiverDog]

Now there’s a report he hasn’t made up his mind yet.

Don't tell me we're going to go through another Bret Favre-type drama. I don't like Brady for a number of reasons, but at least he isn't an attention seeker.

[Aseahawkfan]

I hope he decides fairly quickly. I would prefer he retire. It's annoying to have the same guy just keep challenging every year, going every other year, and winning every three years.

[Hawktawk]

I hope he decides fairly quickly. I would prefer he retire. It's annoying to have the same guy just keep challenging every year, going every other year, and winning every three years.

It’s the smart time to go . Nice last second comeback from way down to make it close . Hang em up and walk away while you can . The team will be down next year anyway , the coach is becoming a spun out grumpy old man . Get out now . It’s never fun watching athletes hold on too long. Kind of strange it’s suddenly hung up in limbo .

[RiverDog]

I hope he decides fairly quickly. I would prefer he retire. It's annoying to have the same guy just keep challenging every year, going every other year, and winning every three years.

It’s the smart time to go . Nice last second comeback from way down to make it close . Hang em up and walk away while you can . The team will be down next year anyway , the coach is becoming a spun out grumpy old man . Get out now . It’s never fun watching athletes hold on too long. Kind of strange it’s suddenly hung up in limbo .

The story book ending would have been for him to retire last season after winning the SB. He could have ridden off into the sunset after having won his last game. But I honestly don't think that Brady gives a rip about that kind of stuff, which is one of the few things I like about him.

[Hawktawk]

I agree. He wasn’t done though . His dad says he isn’t retiring . He’s due 15 million Feb 4, not sure if it’s owed him regardless . He’s out of the country right now so not expected to comment . Maybe another reporter jumping the gun ? I think it would be a bad idea for Brady to return . He got hit 17 times vs the Rams . Get ready for more . That was a sold out team with lots of guys sacrificing for another Lombardi . That’s over with .

[obiken]

The story book ending would have been for him to retire last season after winning the SB. He could have ridden off into the sunset after having won his last game. But I honestly don't think that Brady gives a rip about that kind of stuff, which is one of the few things I like about him.

River, Cbob, this has a another dark side, ala RW to TB; its warm, perfect for the wife because it puts her in Florida, am I too far outta the box here guys?

[RiverDog]

River, Cbob, this has a another dark side, ala RW to TB; its warm, perfect for the wife because it puts her in Florida, am I too far outta the box here guys?

Tampa Bay has a lot of problems on the horizon. They have 7 key players that are free agents and will be picking from the #27 draft slot. The Bucs untenable situation is rumored to be one of the reasons why Brady is getting out now. It's not a good situation for a player that's hungry for another ring to cement his legacy to go into. Russell would be putting himself into a no win situation. If he wins in Tampa Bay, so what, all he's doing is the same thing that Brady has done, and if they don't go deep into the playoffs, it will be his fault as everyone will be comparing him unfavorably to Brady. He'd be much better off going to a team like Denver or New Orleans, teams that missed the playoffs but aren't that far away from being contenders, and get them over the hump.

[c_hawkbob]

Tampa may make a play for Russ but what do they got to offer us? A low 1st rounder and Blain Gabbert? I wouldn't even answer the phone if I was John.

[trents]

If Brady is hanging up his spurs now according to the rumors, that leaves TB in a bad way as far as the QB position goes for sure. No good backup QB and not many bargaining chips for trading. Also, if Brady rides off this off season into the sunset, what do you think Gronk will do? His commercials gig for USSA won't take him too far in Hollywood.

[obiken]

I think he is done, he was probably waiting till after the SB to make the announcement and Adam Sheffler jumped the route.

[RiverDog]

If he doesn't hang them up now, then he risks being on a team that implodes as the Bucs have some serious issues to address in the offseason. This isn't Belichick that can re-load season after season.

[Hawktawk]

If he doesn't hang them up now, then he risks being on a team that implodes as the Bucs have some serious issues to address in the offseason. This isn't Belichick that can re-load season after season.

He left NE because he felt they weren’t reloading him enough weapons although I think it was a mutual breakup . Rodgers is the one going to Denver with his former OC as head coach and plenty of capital . Russels cocoon of protection from criticism here would be shredded by Arians the first bone headed screw up . Here he pops off when coach occasionally critiques him . Arians rips the GOAT , now he’s slapping players . If I’m a franchise guy looking for a home it’s not there. Who knows if Russ winds up asking out in a demanding way or perhaps he decides walking it back another year is his best option as well.

[RiverDog]

He left NE because he felt they weren’t reloading him enough weapons although I think it was a mutual breakup . Rodgers is the one going to Denver with his former OC as head coach and plenty of capital . Russels cocoon of protection from criticism here would be shredded by Arians the first bone headed screw up . Here he pops off when coach occasionally critiques him . Arians rips the GOAT , now he’s slapping players . If I’m a franchise guy looking for a home it’s not there. Who knows if Russ winds up asking out in a demanding way or perhaps he decides walking it back another year is his best option as well.

Yeah, Arians does seem to have graduated from the Mike Ditka/Buddy Ryan/Mike Singletary School of Coaching Etiquette.

[trents]

According to this article, Brady will wait until after Feb. 4 to make a decision because of the significant financial impact it will have: https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/tom- ... other-week

[Hawktawk]

Yup . Probably pretty POd about the leak . Would Tampa attempt to recover the money if he cashes the check and then retires

[obiken]

He left NE because he felt they weren’t reloading him enough weapons although I think it was a mutual breakup . Rodgers is the one going to Denver with his former OC as head coach and plenty of capital . Russels cocoon of protection from criticism here would be shredded by Arians the first bone headed screw up . Here he pops off when coach occasionally critiques him . Arians rips the GOAT , now he’s slapping players . If I’m a franchise guy looking for a home it’s not there. Who knows if Russ winds up asking out in a demanding way or perhaps he decides walking it back another year is his best option as well

Cocoon? This is the worse kind of divorce, where they are both good people, who love each other, but realize they cannot live together anymore. Russ is more done than Pete, but Pete knows. Brady's breakup was more legit because he was willing to tale pay cuts to get a good team, and the Pats offered him a contract that was a joke. Moreover, PC cannot draft lineman, BB cannot draft WR's. Both are dinosaurs, its an offensive league now and they are defensive coaches and Russ knows all that.

[Hawktawk]

Obi I realize PC and Russ love each other but Aryans would never put up with a qb missing open guys and taking stupid sacks . That’s my point . After TBs first start for him which was a disaster he said “he looked like Brady in practice “ this year he was highly critical of Brady after a loss saying it wasn’t the receivers fault , they were open . In the case of Russ he almost never gets criticism from PC nor does most of the team . It’s Pete’s way .

But this year there were several games where PC did say something critical of Russ post game , Titans , Vikes , bears , Rams and Russ popped off every time disagreeing with Pete . Regardless of the prior history of the men either PC is the boss or he isn’t .

and as great as Brady is I don’t recall him publicly talking back to either of his coaches when criticized as he was and even benched on one occasion in 2014.

[Aseahawkfan]

He left NE because he felt they weren’t reloading him enough weapons although I think it was a mutual breakup . Rodgers is the one going to Denver with his former OC as head coach and plenty of capital . Russels cocoon of protection from criticism here would be shredded by Arians the first bone headed screw up . Here he pops off when coach occasionally critiques him . Arians rips the GOAT , now he’s slapping players . If I’m a franchise guy looking for a home it’s not there. Who knows if Russ winds up asking out in a demanding way or perhaps he decides walking it back another year is his best option as well.

Why would we care what Arians thinks? He's only relevant because Brady went to TB and won a Super Bowl. Arians wouldn't have done it on his own. Another coach made relevant by a great player who could win it all.

Criticism of Russell Wilson isn't an issue. Arians isn't calling Brady a diva and making personal attacks on him and his character.

And if what you say is true, then why isn't it ok for a player to call out a coach who has been screwing up drafts and makings stupid trades? If a coach can call out a player for what he does on the field, then why can't a player call out a coach for being an idiot and making stupid calls that cost the team a Super Bowl or making stupid trades that weaken the team?

If I were a player on Seattle when that terrible Super Bowl call was made, I don't know if I could let it go. I might be disgusted with Pete Carroll at that point. That would have likely been my point of no reconciliation . That call when I have much better and more sure calls I could have made might have killed my time with the Seahawks right then. I mostly blame Bevell, but I'm pretty sure Pete signed off on that. Only the guys inside the locker room know for sure how much of a hand Pete had in that stupid call.

Now Pete is not building through the draft, is making shiny toy trades for players he pays more than the guys in the locker room, after playing hardball with guys far better than players like Jamal Adams? How do I take that as a player when they don't want to pay Earl, but they want to pay Jamal?

You act like Carroll's been some kind of untouchable angel since the early days and he hasn't been. If Russell really is unhappy and wants to leave, I can see why. Just as people on here seem to be going, "Can I win another Super Bowl with Russell Wilson?" If I'm Wilson and even I ask this, "Can I win another Super Bowl with Pete Carroll?" To me Carroll is getting beat in the offseason during free agency and the draft and it is leading to him getting beat on the field because he can no longer field a team with a strong defense and run game which is how everyone who has been watching Pete since he got here knows his schemes work best. If he doesn't have those, he won't win or come close to winning a Super Bowl.

If I want to win as a player, why not push back against the head coach I no longer believe can get it done? Who screwed up the chance to be a dynasty team with a terrible play call he didn't need to make? Our Super Bowl loss against the Patriots was rejuvenation of Brady and the Patriots. If we had finished the Patriots that game, they likely would have been broken. But instead they broke us because of the terrible play call at the end of the game. Pete Carroll had to sign off on that.

I have been a big Pete Carroll supporter. I do not believe Carroll can win another Super Bowl in Seattle. He has lost his way in how to build a team. And I don't think he will find it again.

[RiverDog]

I have been a big Pete Carroll supporter. I do not believe Carroll can win another Super Bowl in Seattle. He has lost his way in how to build a team. And I don't think he will find it again.

That's a big step for you. It's easy for someone like me to give up Pete Carroll as I was never a fan of his hiring in the first place as I considered him just another college coach ala Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, Bobby Petrino, Lou Holtz, and a long list of successful college coaches that flopped in the NFL, so I admire you for your objectivity. I've had to do the same thing when the subject was politics.

I do think that we'll rebound in the regular season next year with double digit wins, maybe even a division championship, providing Russell stays put, which I expect will be the case. But we'll be one and done in the playoffs. Pete is mired in mediocrity.

[NorthHawk]

I was on the fence at first. I thought he had the style of what a used car salesman is supposed to have
but after seeing how he and JS built the team I began to appreciate the approach. Unfortunately like
ASF, I think they both lost track and won’t get it back before Pete retires. For that reason I think it’s
time to find someone with a new approach while we still have a top QB.

[Aseahawkfan]

Bill Belichick never lost his way when he had a top QB to ride. No shiny toy trades. Always accumulating picks and building through the draft. If a player did not want to do it the Patriot Way that even their QB followed, then they were off the Patriots. Belichick never traded away first round picks like he couldn't pick better than he could trade for. Even when other Patriot teams fell apart with players wanting big money, he let them walk and found someone new or traded them for more picks. Belichick found the perfect QB to implement the Patriot Way and never deviated. Carroll has deviated substantially from how he built a team when he first arrived. That Carroll would have never traded 1st round picks for a Jamal Adams. He would have used those to draft top quality players.

Carroll's a good coach, but he ain't Belichick. He's gotten caught up in thinking we're still the Super Bowl Seahawks, when this team is far closer to the Seahawks of his arrival. He gotta go back some and do a bit of a rebuild, not just grab a few players. He has entire team units in total disarray and not even close to competitive.

[Hawktawk]

Can Pete win another . As long as his key fits the lock he’s got a shot . Can Russ ? Yeah. Not the way PC is coaching and not the way Russ has been playing IN KEY MOMENTS. If the team that played the last 2 weeks last year is real we have a shot and it doesn’t need torn apart . We swept one of the teams in the championship game and were competetive with the other including our backup having the ball late with a chance to take a lead in the first one and a brutal no call on a PI sealing the next one despite a very rough day for Russ. The formulation that won a super bowl and got to 2 is Pete ball. Going away from Pete ball lost the second one . He and Russ have to figure it out . If the question is WILL we get back to another with PC odds are no strictly based on how hard it is to do . Looking at the competition around the league and in the division we aren’t far off if Russ is back and playing well. Had I been asked this with a month to play or even right after the bears game I’d have a different view. I’m quite optimistic about 22 if we get Penney and Diggs back and some of the younger guys continue to step up. Color HT optimistic . If Russ demands out I completely retract the statement without knowing the replacement.

[RiverDog]

Carroll's a good coach, but he ain't Belichick. He's gotten caught up in thinking we're still the Super Bowl Seahawks, when this team is far closer to the Seahawks of his arrival. He gotta go back some and do a bit of a rebuild, not just grab a few players. He has entire team units in total disarray and not even close to competitive.

Yeah, I think that Pete believes too strongly in his "Win Forever" buzz word phrase that he kept chanting. It doesn't allow him to admit that his teams and his system are no longer championship caliber, prevents him from seeing the weakness in their ways.

[RiverDog]

It's official now. Brady just announced his retirement on his Instagram account:

“It’s best I leave the field of play to the next generation of dedicated and committed athletes,” Brady said in a statement on social media. He added: “I will remember and cherish these memories and re-visit them often. I feel like the luckiest person in the world.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/to ... uxbndlbing

[RiverDog]

It looks like the GOAT is un-retiring:

Just more than a month after he announced plans to retire, the seven-time Super Bowl-champion quarterback announced on Sunday that he actually will return to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the 2022 season, his 23rd in the NFL.

He announced the news on social media with a statement that read, “These past two months I’ve realized my place is still on the field and not in the stands. That time will come. But it’s not now. I love my teammates, and I love my supportive family. They make it all possible. I’m coming back for my 23rd season in Tampa. Unfinished business LFG.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 030280001/

Bret Favre revisited.

[Hawktawk]

Exactly , good grief

[Stream Hawk]

Another reason I’ve become fine with the trade. Seahawks were nowhere near competing in the NFC, even with Russell. its that lack of blue chip talent issue.

[obiken]

Its Farve lite River, its not about the ego like Farve, its about the titles. All he has to do is get past the Rams, in a weak division.

[RiverDog]

Its Farve lite River, its not about the ego like Farve, its about the titles. All he has to do is get past the Rams, in a weak division.

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows why he suddenly changed his mind. Some people are afraid of the future, afraid of growing old. When legendary Florida State football coach Bobby Bowden was asked why he didn't retire, he answered "After you retire, there's only one more big event in your life, and I'm not looking forward to that."

[obiken]

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows why he suddenly changed his mind. Some people are afraid of the future, afraid of growing old. When legendary Florida State football coach Bobby Bowden was asked why he didn't retire, he answered "After you retire, there's only one more big event in your life, and I'm not looking forward to that."

Not me buddy, I think retirement is vastly underrated!

[Aseahawkfan]

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows why he suddenly changed his mind. Some people are afraid of the future, afraid of growing old. When legendary Florida State football coach Bobby Bowden was asked why he didn't retire, he answered "After you retire, there's only one more big event in your life, and I'm not looking forward to that."

Sad, but true.

And Brady is back. Probably couldn't resist how easy the path to the Super Bowl looked at this point.

[obiken]

Sad, but true.

And Brady is back. Probably couldn't resist how easy the path to the Super Bowl looked at this point.

Thats what I think! Idont Tommy is afraid of anything, I think its all about the trophies!

[RiverDog]

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows why he suddenly changed his mind. Some people are afraid of the future, afraid of growing old. When legendary Florida State football coach Bobby Bowden was asked why he didn't retire, he answered "After you retire, there's only one more big event in your life, and I'm not looking forward to that."

Not me buddy, I think retirement is vastly underrated!

Yeah, me too! My former boss keeps trying to talk me into unretiring, but retirement has turned me into the world's worst procrastinator.

It looks like we're not the only ones drawing comparisons to Bret Favre. Here's one I picked off Twitter:

All that talk about how Brady retired like such a consummate pro with zero fanfare and no drama, and before we even made it to goddam St Patricks Day he’s back. Makes Brett Favre look like he had strong convictions.

Brady's dad suggested that the reason his son retired is that he was being affected by "outside influences", whatever the hell that means.

[trents]

Like for so many, Football has defined his life. He quickly realized after retiring that his life now lacked definition. I hated to see this happen because it seldom works out well. But I'm not surprised at his decision either.