Norton is out as DC

[Aseahawkfan]

Belichick had the greatest big game QB in history because he benched a #1 pick that had been to a super bowl due to a near fatal injury for a skinny kid he took in the 6 th round . At the time the entire league was incredulous . Even after Bledsoe saved them in the Afc title game he stayed with Brady . He traded players like lawyer Milloy and Richard Seymour in their prime , chandler Jones comes to mind as well .

As for him winning 49 because of the worst play call ever I agree . But it only happened because Belichick spent 2 weeks forcing a rookie DB named Malcolm
Butler to get over the top and disrupt a trips right rub route every single practice . Bill had identified a play Seattle had run exactly 3 times in the season for 3 touchdowns . In postgame interviews Butler said BB kept saying “ you have to get over the top . The only way to stop it is get over the top . “ he said the only time he ever beat the receiver to the spot was in the game . It helped that Russ threw a terrible ball far out front and high. had it been properly placed it could not have been picked . Much like Atlanta forgetting to run the ball after being up 25 in the third Seattle had to screw up to lose . But NE has always been ready to pounce on mistakes .

Yeah all great careers are born partly of luck but BB made his own luck . He’s the greatest coach in history . He won a game throwing 3 times in a hurricane . Hate him if you must . I do . But give him his due

I don't hate Belichick at all. But every coach needs talent. The greatest coach in NFL history came together with the greatest QB in NFL history and had unprecedented success. 6 wins in 9 trips to the Super Bowl.

But for the level of success Belichick had, you need talent. You will notice now he isn't getting within sniffing distance of the Super Bowl, while Brady has another ring and is challenging for another this year.

Talent trumps coaching, scheme, or anything else. If it didn't, then Belichick or Landry or Shula would have kept on winning when the talent was gone and they didn't.

Sure, you need good coaching, health, and the other things that go into winning. But the number one thing on the list to win is always going to be talent.

I don't care how many people want to pretend Brady isn't the greatest QB in NFL history, they're wrong. Brady is the best to ever play the position and it isn't even close. He's the only one with the 7 rings across 18 years of play and a rotating line of teammates. I don't know why he's the greatest. I can't point to physical ability or even mental as Peyton Manning was probably one of the smartest QB. But some strange combination of abilities in Brady has made him the greatest QB in NFL history.

Even in the 70s and 80s and early 90s, the teams with the best talent won. Pittsburgh and the Cowboys went back and forth to the tune of 6 Super Bowls in the 70s. 80s was probably more diverse, but saw the rise of the 49ers. Then the early 90s was all Cowboys and 49ers. The Super Bowl was played when they faced each other in the playoffs.

Those teams were all about that amazing pool of talent.

You either got it or you're going to get beat more often than not. It's why they made the salary cap so the talent wouldn't all concentrate on one team and GMs had to be good at drafting and coaches good at development.

[Hawktawk]

Brady may be the greatest QB of all time, certainly the greatest at the biggest moments. Yeah he usually had talent around him although there was 1.Super Bowl where receiver Troy brown was also playing corner due to injuries . And the talent around Brady was all acquired by BB for 2 decades . As for not sniffing the SB BB got extra games this season with a rookie QB and as far as getting to another championship I’d bet money on him before I would Russ and Carroll. I don’t want to be right . But we were basically eliminated by late November and they were battling for home field . GOAT. Hurts to say it .

[NorthHawk]

Rodgers is a better QB than Brady ever was, but Brady has been extremely lucky with being on teams that were very balanced along with
getting some real valuable breaks from Referees (see Tuck Rule before it was changed).
He's a very good QB who has taken advantage of the opportunities he's been given, but being in a division for 18 years where the other
teams only had winning records for 4 or 5 of those years gave him an immediate ticket to the playoffs 13 times. That's huge luck to be
given that chance. Even last year, it was the TB Defense that had the most impact going against an injury riddled OL from KC. How
lucky can you get when you make it to the SB and the other team is playing backups on most of their OL? Then you have a team calling a
boneheaded play at the goal line in a SB...

[RiverDog]

Rodgers is a better QB than Brady ever was, but Brady has been extremely lucky with being on teams that were very balanced along with
getting some real valuable breaks from Referees (see Tuck Rule before it was changed).
He's a very good QB who has taken advantage of the opportunities he's been given, but being in a division for 18 years where the other
teams only had winning records for 4 or 5 of those years gave him an immediate ticket to the playoffs 13 times. That's huge luck to be
given that chance. Even last year, it was the TB Defense that had the most impact going against an injury riddled OL from KC. How
lucky can you get when you make it to the SB and the other team is playing backups on most of their OL? Then you have a team calling a
boneheaded play at the goal line in a SB...

I agree. If baseball's GOAT was Babe Ruth and basketball's Michael Jordan, Tom Brady comes up way, way short of the standard those two players set.

[Hawktawk]

Rodgers is a better QB than Brady ever was, but Brady has been extremely lucky with being on teams that were very balanced along with
getting some real valuable breaks from Referees (see Tuck Rule before it was changed).
He's a very good QB who has taken advantage of the opportunities he's been given, but being in a division for 18 years where the other
teams only had winning records for 4 or 5 of those years gave him an immediate ticket to the playoffs 13 times. That's huge luck to be
given that chance. Even last year, it was the TB Defense that had the most impact going against an injury riddled OL from KC. How
lucky can you get when you make it to the SB and the other team is playing backups on most of their OL? Then you have a team calling a
boneheaded play at the goal line in a SB...

I agree. If baseball's GOAT was Babe Ruth and basketball's Michael Jordan, Tom Brady comes up way, way short of the standard those two players set.

Huh? If someone had told me in 2014 I’d ever defend Brady I’d have said they were crazy. But if winning championships is the determining factor of greatness it’s not close . Rodgers is the most gifted GB. Many have a prettier game . But he came from 10 down in the 4th to win against us and it wasn’t as much the play call as the throw that lost the game . Brady’s won 3 more SBs since then , with 2 separate teams . Our Qb hasn’t lasted past a divisional since . Rodgers last SB on loaded teams with quality coaching and a weak division was 11 years ago. Manning ? I think Brady went 4-2 vs him in the postseason . He was out if his division by the playoffs and still spent nearly every other season in the SB. Plus a great team hanging 2 losses apiece on everyone in division makes them look worse than they are . Then the dude leaves and wins first year at a place that hadn’t been to the playoffs in forever . It’s hatred of the man that clouds the better judgement of those who can’t accept his greatness that will never be duplicated .

[RiverDog]

Rodgers is a better QB than Brady ever was, but Brady has been extremely lucky with being on teams that were very balanced along with
getting some real valuable breaks from Referees (see Tuck Rule before it was changed).
He's a very good QB who has taken advantage of the opportunities he's been given, but being in a division for 18 years where the other
teams only had winning records for 4 or 5 of those years gave him an immediate ticket to the playoffs 13 times. That's huge luck to be
given that chance. Even last year, it was the TB Defense that had the most impact going against an injury riddled OL from KC. How
lucky can you get when you make it to the SB and the other team is playing backups on most of their OL? Then you have a team calling a
boneheaded play at the goal line in a SB...

I agree. If baseball's GOAT was Babe Ruth and basketball's Michael Jordan, Tom Brady comes up way, way short of the standard those two players set.

Huh? If someone had told me in 2014 I’d ever defend Brady I’d have said they were crazy. But if winning championships is the determining factor of greatness it’s not close . Rodgers is the most gifted GB. Many have a prettier game . But he came from 10 down in the 4th to win against us and it wasn’t as much the play call as the throw that lost the game . Brady’s won 3 more SBs since then , with 2 separate teams . Our Qb hasn’t lasted past a divisional since . Rodgers last SB on loaded teams with quality coaching and a weak division was 11 years ago. Manning ? I think Brady went 4-2 vs him in the postseason . He was out if his division by the playoffs and still spent nearly every other season in the SB. Plus a great team hanging 2 losses apiece on everyone in division makes them look worse than they are . Then the dude leaves and wins first year at a place that hadn’t been to the playoffs in forever . It’s hatred of the man that clouds the better judgement of those who can’t accept his greatness that will never be duplicated .

First of all, you got the quote wrong. That was North Hawk that made the bulk of that statement. I simply agreed.

I look at Brady's career much like Nolan Ryan's: The most impressive part of Ryan's career was that he was throwing 95 mph fastballs when he was 45 years old. Likewise, doing what Brady has at that same age is nothing short of miraculous, as is the fact that he can so quickly transform another team into a Lombardi winner. If any one person in football is a GOAT, it would be Tom Brady.

But calling him the GOAT is taking it a little too far. More so than any other sport, football is a team effort. Brady was in the right place at the right time, playing for a coach like Belichick and for a team within a division with 3 dysfunctional franchises that couldn't fight their way out of a paper sack. He certainly didn't have an impact on the game like Ruth and Jordan did for theirs.

[Hawktawk]

Yeah ok you compared him to Jordan . Jordan carried the ball as many steps as he liked , defended however he wanted and was at the line every time someone exhaled on him. And he won with incredible talent around him and great coaching . It doesn’t diminish his greatness . Imo Larry Bird might have been the greatest basketball player ever and a good comparison for Brady . He didn’t win as much as some but he made such a difference . Not flashy but clutch , outwitted and outworked everyone . You have to be both lucky and great to win it all but I’m not buying lucky for 2 decades . I saw an amazing stat the other day . Troy Aikman has 188 TD passes. Brady has more than that since turning 40
He’s my GOAT, less questionable than any sport.

[NorthHawk]

We've been through this before, but Brady's luck started by not being drafted by Cleveland or the Jets.
If he had been selected by Cleveland some 20 years ago, how would we be talking about him?
That's what I meant about luck paying a major role in his career. What if Bledsoe had never been injured
and Brady sat on the bench for 3 or 4 years? That's luck. And what if Belichick was one of those coaches
that thinks the incumbent gets to reclaim his starting role when he's again healthy? More luck. Then we
go on to having one of the best Defenses in the league during his career, the Tuck rule, etc.

[Hawktawk]

He has 7 super bowl wins , one at 43 with a new team that had not been to the postseason in a decade . That’s my clincher when I could no longer deny the mans greatness . Tuck rule all you want . Russ was luckier to get to 49 than any of Brady’s luck .

[c_hawkbob]

10, or even 5 years ago I might have agreed to Rogers>Brady but no way now. Results are everything (including why Bill Russell>Jordan). Brady going Tampa and continuing his success sans Belichick seals it for me, he's easily the goat in my book.

[Hawktawk]

10, or even 5 years ago I might have agreed to Rogers>Brady but no way now. Results are everything (including why Bill Russell>Jordan). Brady going Tampa and continuing his success sans Belichick seals it for me, he's easily the goat in my book.

Yes Bob exactly . That’s what minted it for me . Tampa , A has been coach , a tight end 2 years retired , castoffs on the roster . Won out after starting 7-5 . Yeah it’s not debatable anymore . Some are saying he’s hanging it up after the season win or lose .

[RiverDog]

10, or even 5 years ago I might have agreed to Rogers>Brady but no way now. Results are everything (including why Bill Russell>Jordan). Brady going Tampa and continuing his success sans Belichick seals it for me, he's easily the goat in my book.

I can agree with you about Bill Russell vs. Michael Jordan. I sort of forgot about Russell. And I can agree with elevating Brady over Rodgers.

My objection to Brady being referred to as the GOAT is more about the game than it is the player. IMO you can't really have a singular GOAT in football. Sort of like trying to determine who the greatest soldier of all time was. I also hesitate to compare players from different eras as it's apples vs. oranges as the game changes, and we have the tendency to limit our thinking to the current times or our personal memories. Who's to say that Jimmy Brown isn't the GOAT?

The main reason why I mentioned Babe Ruth is that he revolutionized/dominated his sport like no other player in any sport ever has. In Ruth's first season as a full time hitter, he hit 54 home runs. The runner up HR leader that season had 19.

[NorthHawk]

One would expect the GOAT to have a bunch of records that aren’t related to longevity.
Unlike others in other sports he holds very few or none that are demonstrative of being
the best ever. Had KC had an intact OL in last years SB, I suggest it might have been a different result.
It was the Bucs Defense that won last years game. Brady, like so many times in his career enjoyed
the benefits of a good team around him and a depleted opponent.

[Aseahawkfan]

We've been through this before, but Brady's luck started by not being drafted by Cleveland or the Jets.
If he had been selected by Cleveland some 20 years ago, how would we be talking about him?
That's what I meant about luck paying a major role in his career. What if Bledsoe had never been injured
and Brady sat on the bench for 3 or 4 years? That's luck. And what if Belichick was one of those coaches
that thinks the incumbent gets to reclaim his starting role when he's again healthy? More luck. Then we
go on to having one of the best Defenses in the league during his career, the Tuck rule, etc.

If Rodgers were QB on the Patriots, he still wouldn't have 6 rings or even close. Rodgers is not near the leader or clutch player Brady. No one is.

Brady is the best to ever do it. You can keep arguing garbage until you're blue in the face. Brady has done what no other QB in NFL history has done no matter what talent they have had around them with a salary cap. Not Joe Montana and the Great 49er teams. Not Aikman and the Cowboys teams. Not Pittsburgh and the steel curtain. Not anyone has come close to doing what Brady has done, not even close with similar or better talent around them.

What Brady has done is unprecedented and will likely never be done again in NFL history.

It's ridiculous that you keep trying to argue a guy who has 7 Super Bowl rings on two teams and has been to the Super Bowl 10 times is not the greatest QB to ever play the game. He even had one regular undefeated season and but for one miracle game by the Giants would have gone 17-0. But the team went 16-1 losing the most important game.

There's literally nothing you can say or any example you can use that Brady is not the GOAT QB. It's already been decided and he's untouchable with 7 rings in 10 appearances on two different teams with multiple different teammates with the only clear factor being him as the QB of that team, the leader of their offense.

You're wrong and you'll always be wrong. 7 of 10 is the only stat that matters. That's his record that no other NFL QB will likely ever touch. Sure, he had to have great coaching, good team management, and all of that for it to happen, but he is the only static factor in that 7 of 10 number.

You keep asking what records does Brady have: 7 Super Bowl rings is his record. As far as the rest of his passing stats, his stats are very good. But winning Super Bowls is the number one thing he does.

[Aseahawkfan]

10, or even 5 years ago I might have agreed to Rogers>Brady but no way now. Results are everything (including why Bill Russell>Jordan). Brady going Tampa and continuing his success sans Belichick seals it for me, he's easily the goat in my book.

Honestly, I love Jordan. Best player I ever watched in my life. But what Russell did probably makes him the GOAT. Not just the championships, but the fact he coached one or two of them as well. He's kind of been forgotten, but he was one of the few guys able to defend Wilt Chamberlain and was there for 11 Celtic Championships and even coach the team in later years while playing. That's unheard and even harder than playing two sports well IMO.

[Aseahawkfan]

One would expect the GOAT to have a bunch of records that aren’t related to longevity.
Unlike others in other sports he holds very few or none that are demonstrative of being
the best ever. Had KC had an intact OL in last years SB, I suggest it might have been a different result.
It was the Bucs Defense that won last years game. Brady, like so many times in his career enjoyed
the benefits of a good team around him and a depleted opponent.

Are you trying to pretend that Brady isn't also an amazing QB? He's just the luckiest QB to ever play the game? You trying to claim he's Trent Dilfer on the Ravens epic record setting defense? Is that your claim?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm

Tom Brady has absolutely stellar stats too. He was likely top 3 to 5 every year in the NFL in QB production.

5 time Super Bowl MVP.

15 x pro bowl.

5 x NFL passing TD leader.

4 x NFL passing yards leader

3 x MVP of the league

2 x NFL offensive player of the year.

Look at his accolades. He wasn't some "lucky" guy playing on the Patriots. Tom Brady was the face and standard bearer for the Patriots for nearly two decades. He set the standard for The Patriot Way. He put in the work every year to produce. He is the standard by which every NFL QB from here on out will be measured and who they will aspire to be.

You don't have to like the guy, but his credentials are across the board amazing and the greatest record any athletic can have is Championships. He's 7 of 10. Who else has come close to that record as a QB?

[RiverDog]

10, or even 5 years ago I might have agreed to Rogers>Brady but no way now. Results are everything (including why Bill Russell>Jordan). Brady going Tampa and continuing his success sans Belichick seals it for me, he's easily the goat in my book.

Honestly, I love Jordan. Best player I ever watched in my life. But what Russell did probably makes him the GOAT. Not just the championships, but the fact he coached one or two of them as well. He's kind of been forgotten, but he was one of the few guys able to defend Wilt Chamberlain and was there for 11 Celtic Championships and even coach the team in later years while playing. That's unheard and even harder than playing two sports well IMO.

Taking nothing away from Bill Russell, but that's a good demonstration of why I don't like comparing players from different eras.

In Bill Russell's rookie season, 1957, there were 8 teams in the NBA. Today there are 30. Winning championships with just 8 teams is exponentially easier than winning them with 30 teams. So was winning an MVP. There were less than 100 players in the league when Russell played, and well over 300 when Michael Jordan played.

There was no free agency in 1957. Scouting wasn't as robust. Blacks were not widely accepted and there were zero international players so there wasn't near the competition in 1957 as there is in 2022.

Apples and oranges.

[c_hawkbob]

One would expect the GOAT to have a bunch of records that aren’t related to longevity.

Why? Longevity is one of the cornerstones of any claim to the title of Goat. For 3 years Cortez Kennedy was the best DT I ever saw play, but he's not in the Goat conversation for the position because guys like Merlin Olsen (my choice) came in as Rookie of the Year and 1st team All Pro in year one and went on to make the Pro Bowl for for the next 14 straight years. Longevity matters.

[NorthHawk]

Longevity also gives a player more interceptions, so longevity is a wash.
Besides some of the best ever players had shortened careers - guys like Jim Brown
and Gale Sayers. Was Emmett Smith better than Brown or does he hold the all time
yardage record because he played more?

[Old but Slow]

Rating players in this way is crap. Just a boredom exercise. For myself, I just have favorite players. Elroy Crazylegs Hirsch was my first, as the first time I was aware of pro football (because of a movie about him), Bob Lurtsima (sp?), Oscar Robertson, Dennis Johnson, Edgar Martinez, and like that. John Olerud because I played with his dad, John McMackin (Seahawk TE), Dan Doornink, Steve Largent, Dave Brown, and more, and more. But, best ever? Who's to say?

[Stream Hawk]

Bump. This thread is getting too off topic/track. Getting back to the DC search, here are my top candidates for DC:
1. Desai
2. Joe Witt jr.
3. Bradley
5. Martindale
4. Fangio
5. Hurtt
Point is I want an outsider. A creative outsider, that knows in-game adjustments. I also want a thorough selection process. I heard on the Hawkblogger video someone say how the Waldren hire last year showed we already are doing as much: an outsider and a thorough selection process.

[Aseahawkfan]

Longevity also gives a player more interceptions, so longevity is a wash.
Besides some of the best ever players had shortened careers - guys like Jim Brown
and Gale Sayers. Was Emmett Smith better than Brown or does he hold the all time
yardage record because he played more?

Jim Brown played for 9 years. He could have played longer.

You keep making Brady sound like Trent Dilfer with the 2000 Ravens. Brady was always in the talk of 1 or 2 for like 10 years with Peyton Manning. This only changed with Brees and Rodgers rise and now Mahomes. But none of them have 7 or 10 rings or even close, not even within sniffing distance.

So not sure why you keep acting like Brady's yearly stats aren't incredible. He was top 5 nearly ever year, usually top 3, in every passing stat for most years of his career before and after the changes to the passing game to make it easier.

You keep trying to downplay Brady like he hasn't literally done it all as well as win Championships. Sounds like a personal dislike of Brady than a real argument based on stats or any other measures. No QB has stats and rings like Brady. He has both. No one has done QB as well as Brady in the postseason ever, while also remaining in the top 5, usually top 3, NFL passers for most of his career.

It's not an argument anymore. It's a fact that Brady is the best to ever do it at QB in the NFL.

[Aseahawkfan]

Taking nothing away from Bill Russell, but that's a good demonstration of why I don't like comparing players from different eras.

In Bill Russell's rookie season, 1957, there were 8 teams in the NBA. Today there are 30. Winning championships with just 8 teams is exponentially easier than winning them with 30 teams. So was winning an MVP. There were less than 100 players in the league when Russell played, and well over 300 when Michael Jordan played.

There was no free agency in 1957. Scouting wasn't as robust. Blacks were not widely accepted and there were zero international players so there wasn't near the competition in 1957 as there is in 2022.

Apples and oranges.

Brady and the NFL isn't apples and oranges. He's the best QB since the advent of the Super Bowl. Includes free agency, the salary cap, no limitations on players, advanced training for everyone, advanced coaching, modern drafting metrics, and everything you could throw in.

No one really thought any team in the modern salary cap era could become that dominant much less one QB win seven Super Bowls. It's unprecedented. No one has come close to it in the Super Bowl era of the NFL. Even more so, no one has come within 1/3rd of it in the salary cap era. It's been an absolutely unprecedented and amazing show of capability I honestly didn't think was possible.

I don't even like Brady. He's not my favorite QB. I prefer Joe Montana and was biased towards him for years. I don't even like Brady now. But what's done is so unbelievable, so impossible, so unheard of how can I even deny that he is the best QB to ever play in the modern NFL. It's like denying gravity or the sun rising.

Brady is the only common denominator to all those Super Bowls. Before Brady left it was Belichick and Brady inseparable, but now it's just Brady. He's done it over 20 years with two different team and really you could say the Patriots were different teams during his run. He was the only common denominator on the field there too.

I don't even know why he's that good. It doesn't make any sense. I don't know why Tom Brady can take a team and lead to them to a Super Bowl while Aaron Rodgers who is obviously physically superior or a Patrick Mahomes who is also a freakish QB can't put together back to back Super Bowl wins, but somehow Tom Brady can just somehow lead a team to victory again and again and again with fourth quarter comebacks or what not. He just has some weird combination of abilities to get it done when it needs to get done. Who knows why.

But damn, 7 Super Bowls and 10 appearances. Did you ever think you would see that in your lifetime across two decades including a Super Bowl at 43 years or age. I did not think I would see that. I didn't think it was possible.

When a guy does the impossible, then I'm not sure what else to call that than the greatest performance by a QB over their career in NFL history.

[RiverDog]

Brady and the NFL isn't apples and oranges. He's the best QB since the advent of the Super Bowl. Includes free agency, the salary cap, no limitations on players, advanced training for everyone, advanced coaching, modern drafting metrics, and everything you could throw in.

No one really thought any team in the modern salary cap era could become that dominant much less one QB win seven Super Bowls. It's unprecedented. No one has come close to it in the Super Bowl era of the NFL. Even more so, no one has come within 1/3rd of it in the salary cap era. It's been an absolutely unprecedented and amazing show of capability I honestly didn't think was possible.

I don't even like Brady. He's not my favorite QB. I prefer Joe Montana and was biased towards him for years. I don't even like Brady now. But what's done is so unbelievable, so impossible, so unheard of how can I even deny that he is the best QB to ever play in the modern NFL. It's like denying gravity or the sun rising.

Brady is the only common denominator to all those Super Bowls. Before Brady left it was Belichick and Brady inseparable, but now it's just Brady. He's done it over 20 years with two different team and really you could say the Patriots were different teams during his run. He was the only common denominator on the field there too.

I don't even know why he's that good. It doesn't make any sense. I don't know why Tom Brady can take a team and lead to them to a Super Bowl while Aaron Rodgers who is obviously physically superior or a Patrick Mahomes who is also a freakish QB can't put together back to back Super Bowl wins, but somehow Tom Brady can just somehow lead a team to victory again and again and again with fourth quarter comebacks or what not. He just has some weird combination of abilities to get it done when it needs to get done. Who knows why.

But damn, 7 Super Bowls and 10 appearances. Did you ever think you would see that in your lifetime across two decades including a Super Bowl at 43 years or age. I did not think I would see that. I didn't think it was possible.

When a guy does the impossible, then I'm not sure what else to call that than the greatest performance by a QB over their career in NFL history.

He's the best of the current era, that's for sure. But last time I checked, "greatest of all time" includes the pre-Super Bowl era, too.

Too many people, nearly everyone, think of "all time" as meaning what they can personally remember. How in in the heck can you say that Brady is better than Sammy Baugh or Otto Graham? Professional football wasn't a QB centric, pass happy game that it is nowadays. Players couldn't afford to play football, had to take jobs in the offseason to make ends meet. George Blanda was an MVP, and he had to drive a beer truck in the offseason to pay the bills.

For my money, Jimmy Brown was the best football player I've ever seen, and he retired at the peak of his career having played just 9 seasons, but he made the Pro Bowl in every single one of them and led the league in rushing in all but one of those years. But I was very young and impressionable, so who knows.

So excuse me if I object to Brady being called the "GOAT".

[NorthHawk]

You keep making Brady sound like Trent Dilfer with the 2000 Ravens. Brady was always in the talk of 1 or 2 for like 10 years with Peyton Manning. This only changed with Brees and Rodgers rise and now Mahomes. But none of them have 7 or 10 rings or even close, not even within sniffing distance.

So not sure why you keep acting like Brady's yearly stats aren't incredible. He was top 5 nearly ever year, usually top 3, in every passing stat for most years of his career before and after the changes to the passing game to make it easier.

You keep trying to downplay Brady like he hasn't literally done it all as well as win Championships. Sounds like a personal dislike of Brady than a real argument based on stats or any other measures. No QB has stats and rings like Brady. He has both. No one has done QB as well as Brady in the postseason ever, while also remaining in the top 5, usually top 3, NFL passers for most of his career.

It's not an argument anymore. It's a fact that Brady is the best to ever do it at QB in the NFL.

I have never said Brady is a bad QB or even Average QB. I've always maintained he is a very good QB, but the BEST EVER is a very high bar.
He hasn't had to carry a team on his shoulders for long stretches because of the teams around him. That's a big deal to determine a greatest of all time.

The Best ever should be at the top of many of the stats, not just top 5. How many is he the top of and not just top 5? Not that many to be called the best ever.

Brady was charged with not losing playoff games - and he did well, but for the most part he was never required to win playoff games because the team around him was an excellent group.
Remember this is a team game - probably the ultimate team game, and for one guy to be called the best ever because he happened to play a long time for that team is a step too far.

[Agent 86]

Seahawks apparently hiring former Broncos DC Ed Donatell but not to be their new DC. Undefined Defensive role.


https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/2/4/22918060/report-seahawks-add-ed-donatell-coaching-staff-but-not-as-defensive-coordinator-nfl-news

[TriCitySam]

Seahawks apparently hiring former Broncos DC Ed Donatell but not to be their new DC. Undefined Defensive role.


https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/2/4/22918060/report-seahawks-add-ed-donatell-coaching-staff-but-not-as-defensive-coordinator-nfl-news

Yeah, it's being called a "Senior defensive role".....

“Right now, the details aren’t fully set in stone, but the one thing that was clear is that he is not going to be the the DC, the main DC,” Heaps said of his conversation with Fowler. “Now that still could come in the form of Ed Donatell being named passing game coordinator, he could be named like (Fowler) originally said in the tweet, a senior defensive analyst. I mean, it could be in that way. But one thing is very clear: no matter how that’s going to go down, the defensive coordinator job as a whole is still open.”

He's out of Fangio's system, so should bring that "fresh set of eyes" everyone wants.

[govandals]

Donatell is another one of Pete's buddies. Interesting that he is not the DC, though. Maybe they're thinking of a younger person for DC and Donatell to be a mentor? i prefer Desai for a fresh set of eyes, but I think Clint Hurtt gets the job.

[mykc14]

Donatell is another one of Pete's buddies. Interesting that he is not the DC, though. Maybe they're thinking of a younger person for DC and Donatell to be a mentor? i prefer Desai for a fresh set of eyes, but I think Clint Hurtt gets the job.

I do think this is good news. Donatell has a lot of experience and although he has worked with PC before he has also worked with other guys like Fangio and could offer another perspective on our D. I also agree that this points to Clint Hurtt as the next official DC for the Hawks.

[govandals]

Donatell is good with secondaries, maybe he can find a way to use Jamal Adams effectively. Pete used a lot of bear fronts recently and so did Denver. I imagine we see more bear fronts and less 4-3 under.

[c_hawkbob]

Evidently we're promoting Clint Hurtt to DC. Donatell to Defensive QC coach or something maybe, give the new coordinator every chance to succeed.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1568070/ ... SdbTdsaUzM

[Aseahawkfan]

A lot of people like this Clint Hurrt guy and are trying to set him up for success. We'll see what he does with the opportunity. Right now we're talent deficient on defense. If they can't get talent on the D-line and Secondary, not much gonna matter who is DC as they won't have the talent to succeed.

[NorthHawk]

Hurtt was one of the expected choices because he’s one of Pete’s guys and will run Pete’s Defense.
Ed Donatell is interesting because he can bring an outside view of the talent and Defense. He’s
known Pete for years but hasn’t worked with him during Pete’s regime here.

[NorthHawk]

Donatell is apparently signing on as DC for Minnesota.
Too bad, I was hoping he would be a voice that would tell Pete things he didn’t want to hear but needs to.

[Stream Hawk]

Boom. Got Desai!
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/2/11/22 ... e-columbia

[c_hawkbob]

Boom. Got Desai!
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/2/11/22 ... e-columbia

I like this hire.

[c_hawkbob]

Looks like we're firing Solari as well.

[NorthHawk]

Looks like we're firing Solari as well.

A former Rams OL coach is said to replace Solari. I hope it means more freedom for the
Offensive side with more influence from the McVay coaching tree.

[NorthHawk]

Boom. Got Desai!
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/2/11/22 ... e-columbia

I hope he has the gravitas to tell Pete what he needs to hear but doesn’t want to hear.

[Stream Hawk]

Like what, “don’t send DLinemen out in coverage”? I would hope so!