2022 Playoffs

[Aseahawkfan]

Jezus, horrible throw by Jimmy G! Wide open receiver at a short distance that he overthrows for a pick.

Good. All the teams from our division must lose.

[Hawktawk]

Unreal game . Wtf was Dak doing there? I know the ref screwed up spotting the ball but you cannot run there . The walrus McCarthy is probably gone . Terrible home loss to a team we swept .

[RiverDog]

That was one of the worst played playoff games that I've ever seen. Garoppolo not only let the Cowboys get back in the game by badly overthrowing an easy, short pass, under no pressure at all drills one in the ground to Kittle that nearly created a turnover, then Prescott scrambles from the 41 with no timeouts then forgets to give the ball to the ref.

The Cowboys got called for 14 penalties, some just devastating, while the Niners got called for 9, including a stupid motion penalty on 4th and an inch when Garoppolo failed to give his tackle enough time to get set. Both teams deserved to lose that one. SMH.

But it was the most exciting game so far.

[Aseahawkfan]

Damn. 49ers move on.

[Hawktawk]

KC, wow. See ya Big Ben .

[obiken]

Damn. 49ers move on.

I hate to say it but I would rather see the Niners win than the Cowkids.

[Aseahawkfan]

I hate to say it but I would rather see the Niners win than the Cowkids.

Definitely a win-win because either team losing is a good thing. I remember when Frisco versus the Cowboys was an elite matchup. Now it's just a waste of time.

[NorthHawk]

I find it ironic that a bad throw from Jimmy G. saved their win.

[RiverDog]

I hate to say it but I would rather see the Niners win than the Cowkids.

Definitely a win-win because either team losing is a good thing. I remember when Frisco versus the Cowboys was an elite matchup. Now it's just a waste of time.

I dislike the Cowboys more than any single team, including the Niners, Pats, and Stealers. I can't stand Jerry Jones and will never forgive him for the way he fired Tom Landry. I don't mind seeing the Niners win and will be rooting for them to beat the Packers next weekend as I have a severe dislike for Aaron Rodgers. Keep in mind that the more they win, the lower they pick in the draft.

KC's defense has really turned it around. When the offense was failing in the first quarter, they kept them in the game. IMO they are the favorites to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

This must be our first ever MNF playoff game. It puts the winner at a disadvantage as they'll have to play on a short week. I also noted that it's going to be on both ESPN and ABC (ABC owns ESPN). I see that they still have their requirement that all playoff games must be aired on broadcast TV vs. exclusively cable or satellite.

[NorthHawk]

I began wondering what Kelce's career would have been like if he played Pete ball for us. I would imagine that he would be mostly limited to being an in-line blocker
with a few throws his way. The other thing that stuck out was the KC OL. With 4 new starters and 2 rookies they looked pretty good but they will get a much bigger
test against the Bills next week. Still, KC has developed a better OL in one year than we've had in 10 years with Pete. It also helps that Reid/Bienemy put in new
wrinkles every game that opposing Defenses aren't fully prepared for. Unlike Pete ball where opposing Defenses sometimes call out the play when our Offense lines up.

[Hawktawk]

Bills Chiefs is for the conference championship. I think the Bills have an excellent chance . At this stage of the game Big Ben is simply washed up and the team had no chance despite the best defensive efforts early . That’s not likely to be the case this game although Allen has been streaky and small in the biggest games . He has more ways to beat you if he’s on . Mainly the designed runs and runs up the middle in short yardage . I see a mid scoring war there . Haven’t checked all the.games but I’m a huge AZ fan tonight . I’d love to see Stafford go winless in the postseason again and create turmoil on that team . They have been Seattle’s kryptonite, Russels for sure .

[NorthHawk]

Bills Chiefs is for the conference championship. I think the Bills have an excellent chance . At this stage of the game Big Ben is simply washed up and the team had no chance despite the best defensive efforts early . That’s not likely to be the case this game although Allen has been streaky and small in the biggest games . He has more ways to beat you if he’s on . Mainly the designed runs and runs up the middle in short yardage . I see a mid scoring war there . Haven’t checked all the.games but I’m a huge AZ fan tonight . I’d love to see Stafford go winless in the postseason again and create turmoil on that team . They have been Seattle’s kryptonite, Russels for sure .

It would be nice to see AZ win because it would be a big poke in the eye of a Front Office who has given away most of their draft class for this one year in the Rams.
They pushed their chips into the middle getting Stafford, OBJ, and Von Miller to name just a few to win it all in their building. It would look good to see that bubble
pop and leave them with nothing but a huge Salary Cap and few draft picks.

But Arizona has looked terrible the latter part of the season, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them blow it.

[Hawktawk]

I began wondering what Kelce's career would have been like if he played Pete ball for us. I would imagine that he would be mostly limited to being an in-line blocker
with a few throws his way. The other thing that stuck out was the KC OL. With 4 new starters and 2 rookies they looked pretty good but they will get a much bigger
test against the Bills next week. Still, KC has developed a better OL in one year than we've had in 10 years with Pete. It also helps that Reid/Bienemy put in new
wrinkles every game that opposing Defenses aren't fully prepared for. Unlike Pete ball where opposing Defenses sometimes call out the play when our Offense lines up.

There was a period of time this year when Mahomes and the offense looked like crap . They have gelled now but there were questions about the team less than 3 months ago

[RiverDog]

Bills Chiefs is for the conference championship. I think the Bills have an excellent chance . At this stage of the game Big Ben is simply washed up and the team had no chance despite the best defensive efforts early . That’s not likely to be the case this game although Allen has been streaky and small in the biggest games . He has more ways to beat you if he’s on . Mainly the designed runs and runs up the middle in short yardage . I see a mid scoring war there . Haven’t checked all the.games but I’m a huge AZ fan tonight . I’d love to see Stafford go winless in the postseason again and create turmoil on that team . They have been Seattle’s kryptonite, Russels for sure .

Agreed about Chiefs-Bills being the real AFCCG. I'm rooting for the Rams tonight as they have a local hero playing for them in the form of Cooper Kupp.

I still can't get over how poorly played the Niners-Cowboys contest was. It always irritates me when I see simple, no brainer mistakes, like Dak not having the presence of mind to find the ref as soon as he got up from his last scramble. Inexcusable for someone that's played as much football as he has. Garoppolo wasn't much better, calling for a snap before his line was set.

[RiverDog]

There was a period of time this year when Mahomes and the offense looked like crap . They have gelled now but there were questions about the team less than 3 months ago

Most of the Chiefs problems early on was with their defense. Mahomes was trying to win games by himself, similar to what Russell was trying to do when our defense sucked.

[NorthHawk]

They got it fixed in a few months, not years, or never.

[tarlhawk]

They got it fixed in a few months, not years, or never.

Fixed? Pat Mahomes is a far different QB than Russell so comparing their O-Line to ours is a question of why bother? You're pretty good at pointing fingers/laying blame...when comparing apples to oranges.

[TriCitySam]

Agreed about Chiefs-Bills being the real AFCCG. I'm rooting for the Rams tonight as they have a local hero playing for them in the form of Cooper Kupp.

I still can't get over how poorly played the Niners-Cowboys contest was. It always irritates me when I see simple, no brainer mistakes, like Dak not having the presence of mind to find the ref as soon as he got up from his last scramble. Inexcusable for someone that's played as much football as he has. Garoppolo wasn't much better, calling for a snap before his line was set.

Not good by Dak, but also gotta put a bunch of blame on the Cowboy coaches (yeah, my Prosser guy as well. I'm thinking the Jags just drew a line thru his name)....very risky call going up the middle with seconds left, without making refs aware they needed to be on their toes.

[RiverDog]

Not good by Dak, but also gotta put a bunch of blame on the Cowboy coaches (yeah, my Prosser guy as well. I'm thinking the Jags just drew a line thru his name)....very risky call going up the middle with seconds left, without making refs aware they needed to be on their toes.

I agree, it was a questionable call to say the least. You're going to get at least two plays, likely three. But we have to remember that the odds of scoring a TD from 40 yards out with 14 seconds left are no better than 1 in 20, especially the way the Niners defense had been playing. The game was lost well before the last play.

The Cowboys had 14 penalties and Dak's completion percentage was just 53%. Zeke Elliott had 31 yards on 12 carries. I can't put all that on the OC. The Niners were clearly the better team, at least they were yesterday. The only reason the game was as close as it was is due to the 9 penalties, special teams screw ups like calling for a punt block when it's 4th and 20 and you're defense has been playing lights out, failing to cover a fake punt when it was a prime situation for it, ie 4th and 5 at midfield and the opponent down by two scores, an opposing QB that's doing everything in his power to choke in the 4th quarter including calling for a snap before his linemen were set....WTF are they doing motioning their OT anyway? Everybody in the stadium knew a QB sneak was coming, and it's not like they're going to fool a DT or MLB into thinking otherwise.

[Aseahawkfan]

Kyler Murray getting exposed and crushed.

[jshawaii22]

I hope Budda's OK. Never want to see a player carted off, especially one with local ties.

[trents]

Murray's decision making sometimes leaves something to be desired. He forced a number of passes into coverage when there were open receivers in other places. Seems not to do a great job with field vision and going through his progressions. I think his stature works against him in that regard and the fierce LA pass rush tonight exacerbated those issues.

[NorthHawk]

It seems to me that he panics at times.
Trying to avoid the sack and getting a pick 6 instead was one occasion tonight, but he’s done
similar things at other parts of the field with less catastrophic results. Maybe in time he will
settle down more under pressure.

[Hawktawk]

It’s what ? Year 3 or 4 ? It’s what it is . Murray is a little whirling dynamo , far too short to work the middle of the field , already tired of getting hit obviously , panics under pressure . As Asea says “ exposed and crushed “ worst team in the division at seasons end .

[RiverDog]

It seems to me that he panics at times. Trying to avoid the sack and getting a pick 6 instead was one occasion tonight, but he’s done similar things at other parts of the field with less catastrophic results. Maybe in time he will settle down more under pressure.

Yeah, that was a Rex Grossman moment, just blindly heaving the ball up. Russell made the same mistake in a similar situation a few years back, at home against the Vikings on MNF, but it didn't turn into a pick 6.

I'm not sure if Murray is ever going to be ready for Prime Time. He's good for some real exciting thrills as running quarterbacks often are, but when the chips are down and he's facing a playoff quality defense, he wilts under pressure. I didn't see much of a difference between the Cards with McCoy at QB and the same team with Murray slinging the rock.

[trents]

One of the announcers last night stated K. Murray was 5'11". If he's 5'11" then Russ is 6'2". Murray looks more like 5'8" to me.

[RiverDog]

One of the announcers last night stated K. Murray was 5'11". If he's 5'11" then Russ is 6'2". Murray looks more like 5'8" to me.

Murray's height is listed at 178 cm, or 70.1", or just a hair over 5'10". Russell is listed at 180 cm, or 70.9", just a hair under 5'11". Murray weighs in at 207 lbs, Russell tips the scale at 215.

But I agree, Murray looks a lot shorter than Russell. Their body structure is a little different, with Russell seeming to have thicker legs, so maybe our eyes are fooling us somewhat.

[trents]

If the NFL physical stats listings for players are no more accurate than the NBA's are they can be taken with a grain of salt. Damian Lillard is listed as 6'3" I believe but he looks much closer to 6'0 to me. And often NFL player weights are quite dated, probably representing draft day weights. Marshawn Lynch was listed as 215 lbs.

[RiverDog]

If the NFL physical stats listings for players are no more accurate than the NBA's are they can be taken with a grain of salt. Damian Lillard is listed as 6'3" I believe but he looks much closer to 6'0 to me. And often NFL player weights are quite dated, probably representing draft day weights. Marshawn Lynch was listed as 215 lbs.

I know the ones they take at the combine are very accurate. As a matter of fact, that was one of the justifications for the league holding the scouting combine, so they could get accurate information on a prospective player's measurables, so without any other evidence to the contrary, I would say that the height listings are accurate.

[Rambo2014]

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[Old but Slow]

I know I'm stretching the limit off the topic, but the size reference about basketball recalls an observation I've made. Measure height at the shoulders, not the top of the head. Some have long necks, and some seem to have no neck at all, so the only advantage of the higher head is vision is higher, which I don't consider much of a factor. Functional height then can mean that a 6' 10" player is as tall as some 7 footers.

Sorry. Now to return to our scheduled programming.

[Agent 86]

I dislike the Cowboys more than any single team, including the Niners, Pats, and Stealers. I can't stand Jerry Jones and will never forgive him for the way he fired Tom Landry. I don't mind seeing the Niners win and will be rooting for them to beat the Packers next weekend as I have a severe dislike for Aaron Rodgers. Keep in mind that the more they win, the lower they pick in the draft.

KC's defense has really turned it around. When the offense was failing in the first quarter, they kept them in the game. IMO they are the favorites to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

This must be our first ever MNF playoff game. It puts the winner at a disadvantage as they'll have to play on a short week. I also noted that it's going to be on both ESPN and ABC (ABC owns ESPN). I see that they still have their requirement that all playoff games must be aired on broadcast TV vs. exclusively cable or satellite.

Hey Riv, remember the 49'ers don't have a 1st round pick in 2022 or 2023. They traded their 2021, 2022, and 2023 1st round picks along with a 3rd rounder in 2022 for Miami's 2021 1st round pick (#3 overall) to select Trey Lance. So the 49'ers selecting higher in the draft hurts them more the next 2 years. Kinda like us with Jamaal Adams, thank goodness that one is done with after the 2022 Draft.

[RiverDog]

I know I'm stretching the limit off the topic, but the size reference about basketball recalls an observation I've made. Measure height at the shoulders, not the top of the head. Some have long necks, and some seem to have no neck at all, so the only advantage of the higher head is vision is higher, which I don't consider much of a factor. Functional height then can mean that a 6' 10" player is as tall as some 7 footers.

Sorry. Now to return to our scheduled programming.

Since you're talking basketball, arm length has a similar advantage/disadvantage to a basketball frame, perhaps more than shoulder height.

[RiverDog]

Hey Riv, remember the 49'ers don't have a 1st round pick in 2022 or 2023. They traded their 2021, 2022, and 2023 1st round picks along with a 3rd rounder in 2022 for Miami's 2021 1st round pick (#3 overall) to select Trey Lance. So the 49'ers selecting higher in the draft hurts them more the next 2 years. Kinda like us with Jamaal Adams, thank goodness that one is done with after the 2022 Draft.

I'd forgotten about that trade the Niners made. It isn't looking too good at the moment.

[Hawktawk]

One of the announcers last night stated K. Murray was 5'11". If he's 5'11" then Russ is 6'2". Murray looks more like 5'8" to me.

Russ is short as NFL guys go . Murray is clearly shorter or at least plays shorter . He has nowhere near the poise Russ usually has . He’s a dynamic starter in the league but not championship material . They would have been better off with Colt McCoy yesterday . Brutal .

[RiverDog]

One of the announcers last night stated K. Murray was 5'11". If he's 5'11" then Russ is 6'2". Murray looks more like 5'8" to me.

Russ is short as NFL guys go . Murray is clearly shorter or at least plays shorter . He has nowhere near the poise Russ usually has . He’s a dynamic starter in the league but not championship material . They would have been better off with Colt McCoy yesterday . Brutal .

I agree with that. Murray played poorly, especially in the first half. That was one of the ugliest pick 6 that I've in all the playoff football I've watch, second only to the late, great Garo Yepremian in Super Bowl VII.

Not to take anything away from Russell, but in his first 3-4 years, he wasn't asked to win games by himself. His job was not to turn the ball over or put one of the best defenses in the modern era in bad positions and operate our run first offense like a point guard. Russell was a 3rd round pick and wasn't expected to start in his first year (we had signed Matt Flynn in free agency that year). Murray, on the other hand, was a #1 draft pick that his team traded up to get and has been the focal point of the offense, indeed of the entire franchise, ever since he arrived.

[Hawktawk]

Russell was the perfect piece and the perfect time . His rookie deal winning a SB for less than 600k and being elusive enough to succeed with a B grade cheap line was all the difference . I’ll say this for Russ beyond him being one of the most impressive rookie QBs in memory he made Murray a # 1 pick . Manzel and Mayfield too and probably others . But none touch Russ the majority of his career . There’s serious questions in AZ with the coach and the QB .

This week however . Titans beat Bengals . Bills beat Chiefs . Pack finally beat Frisco. I don’t know about Tampa Rams . Hoping Tampa fearing Rams .

[NorthHawk]

SF to me looks like one of those teams that can either run the table or lay an egg.
The key for them is Jimmy G not making huge Murray like gaffs. If he plays a relatively
clean game, they have a chance.

[Hawktawk]

Remember Jimmy has a fractured thumb on his throwing hand too . Is Lance hurt or just bad ?

[trents]

I'm looking forward to the games Saturday and Sunday. Should be four competitive contests. There was talk at the end of the season about Derek Henry possibly returning for the playoffs but I haven't heard an update lately.