Black Monday

[RiverDog]

I’m stating facts . White GMs fired 2 of the 3 black coaches in the league. Teams chose GM over coach . I never said it was racism . I meant it’s a bad look . Media figures have noted it . It’s not an assumption it’s a terrible look for the league .

In the case of this idiot in Houston he might have tried to figure out how to move on from Watson and his huge salary .but hey gotta get the draft haul if your molester buys his way out . Culley got a raw deal .

Unless you have some other information regarding their dismissal, your facts are irrelevant. I don't even know, much less care, how many GM's are white and how many are black. Same goes for head coaches. If we're ever going to get to the point where race is no longer an issue, we can't immediately question a decision due solely to the skin color of those involved.

[trents]

Unless you have some other information regarding their dismissal, your facts are irrelevant. I don't even know, much less care, how many GM's are white and how many are black. Same goes for head coaches. If we're ever going to get to the point where race is no longer an issue, we can't immediately question a decision due solely to the skin color of those involved.

Agreed. Using racial bias in hiring to correct "racism" seems hypocritical.

One thing I would like to see happen is more black ownership in the NFL. That would likely produce some racial shift in the hiring of head coaches in and of itself. These days, there is no lack of wealthy and successful black entrepreneurs who could buy into franchises and then have final say over who is hired to manage and coach their teams. I'm not sure why that is not happening like it is in the NBA.

[TriCitySam]

I would be surprised if the hiring was racially motivated, but maybe not as surprised if the hiring was. Culley was on nobody's list as HC material, and he's 66. It was almost like he was hired as a temp until they could go after the guy they really want - and in the meantime they met some affirmative action goals. I obviously don't know, and with the Texans having a history of being one of the worst managed organizations I'm not sure anybody does.

As for black owners, there are something like 80 men in the USA with a net worth above $10b - 1 is black. You gotta pay to play.

p.s. Not saying you have to have a $10b NW, just giving perspective of the disparity.
ps.ps. Caserio was from NE, and I think McDaniels only has a year or two left on his contract.

[Hawktawk]

Unless you have some other information regarding their dismissal, your facts are irrelevant. I don't even know, much less care, how many GM's are white and how many are black. Same goes for head coaches. If we're ever going to get to the point where race is no longer an issue, we can't immediately question a decision due solely to the skin color of those involved.

In the case of Flores he apparently had “issues” with Tua and coaching turnover which created friction with the GM who fired him after winning 8 of 9 and going 4-2 vs Belichick , winning seasons in 2 of 3 years missing playoffs by a whisker .

Culleys issues in one season starting with Watson and a dumpster fire are well known but he and his OC who was also fired developed Davis Mills and played their best down the stretch . Most analysts felt the men were safe , Culley a bit less .

My post was over the top because I wrote it right after watching idiot Gm talking about how he’s taking accountability . He’s a fool, a liar .

I never liked the Rooney rule , thought it was unnecessary . Most owners treat it like a joke brining in some minority guy to insult . The term White GM was over the top . The fact is there is 1 black coach now despite an overwhelming majority of black players . Leftwich is drawing interest as is Caldwell . Caldwell is a pretty good example of a guy who got a quick hook in Detroit being fired after a winning season and also providing Detroit with a playoff appearance . Meanwhile Dan Campbell won 3 or 4 games in Detroit and made ridiculous comments like . “Strong coffee doesn’t do it anymore , it’s always snowing at Ford field “ an apparent joking reference to cocaine . He’s safe . Judge almost survived 2 years of utter buffoonery until he ran back to back sneaks on 2nd and 3rd down deep in his territory.
Black guys seem to get a quicker hook. Hard not to convince me there’s something racial with some owners .

[RiverDog]

Unless you have some other information regarding their dismissal, your facts are irrelevant. I don't even know, much less care, how many GM's are white and how many are black. Same goes for head coaches. If we're ever going to get to the point where race is no longer an issue, we can't immediately question a decision due solely to the skin color of those involved.

Agreed. Using racial bias in hiring to correct "racism" seems hypocritical.

One thing I would like to see happen is more black ownership in the NFL. That would likely produce some racial shift in the hiring of head coaches in and of itself. These days, there is no lack of wealthy and successful black entrepreneurs who could buy into franchises and then have final say over who is hired to manage and coach their teams. I'm not sure why that is not happening like it is in the NBA.

It's similar to my objection to Affirmative Action. You do not get rid of discrimination, you displace it from one group to another. Rather than using quotas and incentives, I would much rather see that equality be attained by completely organic means and not dependent on artificial measures. Besides, our society is becoming so homogeneous that we're having difficulty defining what a person's race is.

Ownership is going to take a lot longer to attain racial equity than players, coaches, and administrators. The problem is that so much of our wealth is inherited, so the last vestige of discrimination to fall will be family wealth. I haven't looked at how each owner acquired their team, but it wouldn't surprise me if over half of them inherited it through their family. But the day will come.

[trents]

I don't know. Look how long Lovie Smith was with the Bears and Marvin Lewis was with the Bengals. Those certainly were not quick hooks. I also think there is more pressure to produce a contender quickly than there has been in the past so new head coaches, whether black or white, stand less chance of being retained than in the past.

[Old but Slow]

According to Field Gulls, Carroll was to have his yearly interview with Jody Allen Thursday. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that one. I have been looking for commentary on the meeting, or better yet, a decision. Nothing yet that I can find.

[Hawktawk]

Yes not a word of the meeting . More media speculation I read yesterday was the possibility he’s going to get Holmgrens option which is no more veto power .

[RiverDog]

Yes not a word of the meeting . More media speculation I read yesterday was the possibility he’s going to get Holmgrens option which is no more veto power .

We might not get a 'word.' If she were going fire Pete, make a statement he's staying, or that there would be some other significant change like no more veto power, I would think that she would have done so by now.

[NorthHawk]

They are probably going to talk with Russ, too and then make a decision as to how to proceed.

[Hawktawk]

They are probably going to talk with Russ, too and then make a decision as to how to proceed.

Do you think Russ is getting a say in the decision ? I think it’s more like Jodi and Vulcan are deciding what to do about him long term as well . We shall see .

[TriCitySam]

Black Monday #? - as rumored, Raiders fire Mike Mayock. He was Gruden's guy.

[c_hawkbob]

They are probably going to talk with Russ, too and then make a decision as to how to proceed.

Do you think Russ is getting a say in the decision ? I think it’s more like Jodi and Vulcan are deciding what to do about him long term as well . We shall see .

Of course Russ has a say in the decision! The team can set up all the trades in the world but can't pull the trigger on a single one without Russ' consent! The team can only go whichever direction Russ approves. I believe when he says he wants to stay, but only if he feels like the team is doing everything they can to make his life as QB of the team better. I also believe reports that there are a few teams he's consider a trade to if he feels like the team is not.

The team can choose it's direction but only with a by your leave from Russ.

[RiverDog]

Black Monday #? - as rumored, Raiders fire Mike Mayock. He was Gruden's guy.

Yeah, I saw where the Raiders players really want interim HC Rich Bisaccia to be given the job full time. That's going to force Davis's hand, but if I were him, I'd go with what the players want. All things considered, he's done a very good job and deserves a shot at it full time, and the fact that the players want him speaks volumes.

[NorthHawk]

If they don’t hire Bissaccia, he will get a job somewhere else as a new regime probably
won’t want to keep him. That might cause some problems.

At least with Mayock getting the axe, we might see him again for draft coverage.

[RiverDog]

Despite an embarrasing loss to the Niners that resulted in a near riot by fans after the game, it would appear that Mike McCarthy is safe:

Amid rumors and supposed “sources,” is Dallas Cowboys Coach Mike McCarthy’s job safe?

“Absolutely,” Cowboys COO Stephen Jones said on Monday, a day after Dallas’ disappointing home playoff loss to the 49ers, offering ownership’s public show of support. “Very confident.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/co ... d=msedgntp

[Hawktawk]

Good. We can count on another disappointing season for dem boys