Aldon Smith arrested - again

[Futureite]

Haven't found it but received a text from a friend. Lol I give up. You guys may own this division for a while. And sone of you were right. When the older guys retire, we have a group of idiots leading the team. No common sense. Call us Bengals west. Smh.

[c_hawkbob]

NFL on ESPN
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Police detained 49ers Aldon Smith at Los Angeles International Airport today after he indicated he had a bomb.

49ers' Smith indicated he had bomb at LAX
Los Angeles police detained San Francisco 49ers linebacker Aldon Smith at Los Angeles International Airport on Sunday afternoon after he indicated he was in possession of a bomb.
ESPN

[Zorn76]

Very early at this point, but for Smith to tell LAX security he had a bomb, I'm guessing that he himself was in the same condition. Either that or some kind of substance. I find it difficult to believe he could be sober and make a statement like this.

Regardless, I hope he gets the help he needs. The last thing I'm going to do is rip on a guy who may be struggling with alcohol or drug issues.

[Futureite]

Thanks Bob, my title was not very descriptive. I could not post a link from my phone. I watched a cell phone video of it and it did not show the alleged act. But it doesn't matter. Just another of our players "wrongfully accused". Lol next is the infamous "49ers are aware of the situation and will withhold comment until the legal process has determined all of the facts". Facts are, these guys have no common sense.

[Futureite]

Very early at this point, but for Smith to tell LAX security he had a bomb, I'm guessing that he himself was in the same condition. Either that or some kind of substance. I find it difficult to believe he could be sober and make a statement like this.

Regardless, I hope he gets the help he needs. The last thing I'm going to do is rip on a guy who may be struggling with alcohol or drug issues.

He seemed fully aware and cognisant in the video I just watched. True, he could have been a target or simply wringfully accused. He could also have a substance abuse problem, as you stated. The 3rd possibility is that he has an inflated ego and was just acting like an idiot. I am going with option #3 at this point.

[c_hawkbob]

At least we are entertained! (we being Seahawks fans )

[Futureite]

At least we are entertained! (we being Seahawks fans )

Haha I bet. But Zorn is right, I should not judge him (or anyone else). At some point you get tired of it. "You" being Niner fans .

[Zorn76]

Very early at this point, but for Smith to tell LAX security he had a bomb, I'm guessing that he himself was in the same condition. Either that or some kind of substance. I find it difficult to believe he could be sober and make a statement like this.

Regardless, I hope he gets the help he needs. The last thing I'm going to do is rip on a guy who may be struggling with alcohol or drug issues.

He seemed fully aware and cognisant in the video I just watched. True, he could have been a target or simply wringfully accused. He could also have a substance abuse problem, as you stated. The 3rd possibility is that he has an inflated ego and was just acting like an idiot. I am going with option #3 at this point.

Could be. Either way, he needs to see a shrink, if he isn't already, especially if it turns out he wasn't under the influence of anything while saying this. Guy clearly has issues, because somewhere in his head he's gotta know he's on a short leash in terms of not only his career in SF, but in the league, really.

And many of us know that there's always some kind of problem or reason for this kind of stuff, even if the person (Smith) may not think so. It's time for Aldon to talk about some things that he may not want to, and it sounds like he needs professional help under any circumstance.

[HumanCockroach]

This guy needs help. Seriously. Stabbed, gun fire, dui with illegal drugs and accident, and now this in a very short amount of time, is a serious problem.....

Edit: My mistake, I erroneously left a second DUI out..... WTF? This guy has had more trouble than Pac Man for f's sake, at some point you would think the NFL ( and the Niners for that matter) would say enoughs enough, get help, and prove you can handle it, or see ya'.

[Clem7]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/laces-out/ ... les-041314

[Uppercut]

http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/13/aldon-smith-49ers-chris-culliver-arrested-at-lax/

[Eaglehawk]

Love this offseason! WOW Aldon Smith arrested? Good for him!

[HumanCockroach]

Honestly HOW has this guy avoided a league suspension up until this point? That's what? 4 felony charges in three years? And that doesn't include his DUI's/ drug issues. I find it a little hypocritical that Seahawks players get suspensions ( and one a YEAR long suspension due to not being able to be reached WHILE he was not playing actually IN the NFL) for weed, yet this guy is endangering his and the lives of OTHERS repeatedly, yet somehow, nothing, nada, zilch. Not sure what the NFL's priorities are, but the certainly seem inconsistent to say the least in regards to how to "protect" the shield...

[monkey]

Well...people always said he is an explosive athlete.



Oh yeah

[Futureite]

This guy needs help. Seriously. Stabbed, gun fire, dui with illegal drugs and accident, and now this in a very short amount of time, is a serious problem.....

Edit: My mistake, I erroneously left a second DUI out..... WTF? This guy has had more trouble than Pac Man for f's sake, at some point you would think the NFL ( and the Niners for that matter) would say enoughs enough, get help, and prove you can handle it, or see ya'.

Well...people always said he is an explosive athlete.



Oh yeah

That's kinda how life works. Notice how heated people get here with the way I word some things, when they are in fact even agreeing with me? That's my "passion" that is misplaced as instigation lol. But seriously, humans have and always will be creatures of emotion. If they could hear or see what Aldon did or witness him demean another person he'd receive the same backlash. It's not fair - but it is life. I deal with it all the time at work. Even though my technical knowledge surpasses plenty of coworkers in higher classifications, I am at times perceived as too direct. That's just life. If you are going to be Ruchard Sherman or someone like myself that refuses to play the good politician, you have to accept what you get.

[HumanCockroach]

What the hell does Sherman's rant have to do with Smith somehow avoiding the league stepping in and punishing/ forcing him to seek help? I wasn't kidding, Smith currently has MORE felonies he's facing and MORE arrests in his short time in the league, than Pac Man Jones did when he was suspended for a year..... How the dude continues to avoid ANY league attention, is beyond me. It makes them look very, VERY biased and certainly inconsistent in the way they police their players.

As for Sherman vs. Smith. Whether the general populace is to stupid to see the difference really means little to me. I'll take the uber intelligent, hard working, great citizen, great leader, charitable player over the uber talented, dipsh!t, selfish, idiotic, druggy,thug, that can't go 8 months without another felony every single time, with or without what morons think about the player.

[Futureite]

What the hell does Sherman's rant have to do with Smith somehow avoiding the league stepping in and punishing/ forcing him to seek help? I wasn't kidding, Smith currently has MORE felonies he's facing and MORE arrests in his short time in the league, than Pac Man Jones did when he was suspended for a year..... How the dude continues to avoid ANY league attention, is beyond me. It makes them look very, VERY biased and certainly inconsistent in the way they police their players.

As for Sherman vs. Smith. Whether the general populace is to stupid to see the difference really means little to me. I'll take the uber intelligent, hard working, great citizen, great leader, charitable player over the uber talented, dipsh!t, selfish, idiotic, druggy,thug, that can't go 8 months without another felony every single time, with or without what morons think about the player.

Chill man lol. I don't know the league rules. I do know that Aldon avoided the first suspension because he voluntarily sat out a number of games. I am not even sure that the case against him for illegal firearm possession has ended, or if he was convicted of anything.

As a general rule in life when you run your mouth about anything it's going to freak people out. In a lot of ways it is ridiculous - especially if you are "telling the truth" - as Richard Sherman always claims - but at your age HC you ought to know that's the way this society is. I only responded to the post the guy posted to draw this correlation in the first place - which ironically is the same phenomena that we are discussing now. So get PO'd at him not me! Good god I'm the one that put up the thread calling Aldon out for doing this in the first place.

[RiverDog]

There's a few more details:

According to Los Angeles World Airports PIO Sgt. Karla Ortiz, the incident happened as the man, later identified as Smith, was going through Terminal 1 screening and was randomly selected for secondary screening.

Smith then became belligerent and uncooperative with the process and with the TSA agent, making a comment indicating that he was in possession of a bomb before proceeding toward the gate area, according to Ortiz.

Los Angeles Airport Police made contact with him at the gate and he then became uncooperative again and was detained and taken into custody by Airport Police.

Many people on the scene, including former Marine veteran Clayton Mullaly, captured the incident on video.


We'll see how the judge views this. My guess is that he just gets a fine. I can't see them throwing him in jail if all he did was act like an A-hole to security and police.

[HumanCockroach]

What the hell does Sherman's rant have to do with Smith somehow avoiding the league stepping in and punishing/ forcing him to seek help? I wasn't kidding, Smith currently has MORE felonies he's facing and MORE arrests in his short time in the league, than Pac Man Jones did when he was suspended for a year..... How the dude continues to avoid ANY league attention, is beyond me. It makes them look very, VERY biased and certainly inconsistent in the way they police their players.

As for Sherman vs. Smith. Whether the general populace is to stupid to see the difference really means little to me. I'll take the uber intelligent, hard working, great citizen, great leader, charitable player over the uber talented, dipsh!t, selfish, idiotic, druggy,thug, that can't go 8 months without another felony every single time, with or without what morons think about the player.

Chill man lol. I don't know the league rules. I do know that Aldon avoided the first suspension because he voluntarily sat out a number of games. I am not even sure that the case against him for illegal firearm possession has ended, or if he was convicted of anything.

As a general rule in life when you run your mouth about anything it's going to freak people out. In a lot of ways it is ridiculous - especially if you are "telling the truth" - as Richard Sherman always claims - but at your age HC you ought to know that's the way this society is. I only responded to the post the guy posted to draw this correlation in the first place - which ironically is the same phenomena that we are discussing now. So get PO'd at him not me! Good god I'm the one that put up the thread calling Aldon out for doing this in the first place.

Don't know why I would need to "chill" out, I'm not "worked" up. I'm asking and honest question, with a valid point. This dude has had more problems than numerous other players that have been suspended, and sorry I just don't buy the "voluntary" get out of trouble with the league theory. So if a player like Browner say, said he is going to a treatment facility for for weeks last season, you think the league doesn't still suspend him? That assumption is ridiculous. Lunch was facing suspension for blowing a. 08 in Cali, Aldon has two dui's and an accident with illegal drugs in the vehicle, somehow this has been overlooked by the league. I am curious as to why that has occurred?

We aren't just talking about a stupid decision, we're talking about the guy needing help, and the league needing to step in and force him to get it. Pouncey and Icognito are required to attend therapy for bullying, and Smith is considered ok? Things aren't lining up in this players case on the leagues part.

[NorthHawk]

Have all of Aldon Smiths issues completed their process through the legal system?
I don't know if they have, but I suspect if not, the NFL is waiting for that to complete prior to meting out any discipline.
Just my thoughts...

[EntiatHawk]

A championship off season for Mr Smith

Some people just cannot get away from getting in the way from themselves. This is most likely just a stupid, poor judgement, young person who has not figured out that keeping your mouth shut at times is the best policy.

It does beg the question though, Is it beyond reproach? Just have to give a jab to Mr Hairbaugh

[Futureite]

HC;

Ok then my apologies. I honestly don't know what stage he is at in the legal process in any of these issues. My guess is that the player's Union would throw a fit if the NFL suspended a player for something that the legal system later determuned did not occur or did occur but was legal. As far as the DUI in San Jose, Smith's voluntarily sitting for 5 or 6 ganes obviously played into the NFL's decision. With respect to how that compares to Browner's situation: to my knowledge, alchohol is not on the NFL's list of controlled substances. If it were, the league would have a very, very hard time policing the usage. I don't know all of the details of the Hawk suspensions but I did hear that the NFL will not disclose everything a player took in violating the policy. Again, there are probably reasons that the Player's Association bargained for that stipulation, and it most likely has to do with a combination of legal reasons and the negative effect that the perception of PED use could have on a player's ability to find another team in FA.

Now I know you will probaly focus on my last point, but remember; I said I do not know what occured in those suspensions (I didn't/don't care what they took). In any case, if you disregard that entirely, my guesses are Aldon's avoidance of suspension is by and large a product of what he has done and how it fits within the NFL's general policies, not any special treatment.

[monkey]

49ers- "Beyond Reproach"

[HumanCockroach]

HC;

Ok then my apologies. I honestly don't know what stage he is at in the legal process in any of these issues. My guess is that the player's Union would throw a fit if the NFL suspended a player for something that the legal system later determuned did not occur or did occur but was legal. As far as the DUI in San Jose, Smith's voluntarily sitting for 5 or 6 ganes obviously played into the NFL's decision. With respect to how that compares to Browner's situation: to my knowledge, alchohol is not on the NFL's list of controlled substances. If it were, the league would have a very, very hard time policing the usage. I don't know all of the details of the Hawk suspensions but I did hear that the NFL will not disclose everything a player took in violating the policy. Again, there are probably reasons that the Player's Association bargained for that stipulation, and it most likely has to do with a combination of legal reasons and the negative effect that the perception of PED use could have on a player's ability to find another team in FA.

Now I know you will probaly focus on my last point, but remember; I said I do not know what occured in those suspensions (I didn't/don't care what they took). In any case, if you disregard that entirely, my guesses are Aldon's avoidance of suspension is by and large a product of what he has done and how it fits within the NFL's general policies, not any special treatment.

Sorry Future, that just isn't accurate. The NFL has indeed suspended players prior to charges being filed, and nothing "illegal" taking place. It almost always occurs when a player has a series of events that are detrimental to the leagues image ( see Rothlisberger or Pac Man for high profile examples), hell even Lynch was suspended for clipping someone and a gun charge in Cali, when he simply HAD a gun in his car, not firing one into the crowd, or being stabbed by people he invited into his home.

As for the DUI arrest, sorry if I've got this wrong, but I remember distinctly that there was more to it, then he was drunk. Seem very clearly to remember him having drugs scattered across the cab of his truck as well. Did something change and I just missed it?


Regardless, the NFL needs to step in Smith's case with or without legal finalities, every instance is in violation of the conduct clause, and they simply don't have have to wait for a conclusion before doing so with a player with a string of offenses.

[Pain_Train]

Aldumb Smith

[c_hawkbob]

Oops, wrong thread.

[NorthHawk]

It's looking like the Kap/Lockett story is fizzling fast: http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014 ... aepernick/

Did she wake up in the hospital not knowing how she got there as she claims or did she get jilted and refuse to leave until she got what she wanted? Evidently Lockett called police because she refused to leave and they were concerned with her "frame of mind".

I said in that thread it showed a lack of character.
I might have to change that considering what is now being revealed.

Regarding Aldon Smith, it looks like alcohol might be involved - again. What was it, 6 months since his rehab? I hope he can get this problem under control for his sake, if not for the innocent people that might come across him should he be driving.

[RiverDog]

It's looking like the Kap/Lockett story is fizzling fast: http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014 ... aepernick/

Did she wake up in the hospital not knowing how she got there as she claims or did she get jilted and refuse to leave until she got what she wanted? Evidently Lockett called police because she refused to leave and they were concerned with her "frame of mind".

I said in that thread it showed a lack of character.
I might have to change that considering what is now being revealed.

Regarding Aldon Smith, it looks like alcohol might be involved - again. What was it, 6 months since his rehab? I hope he can get this problem under control for his sake, if not for the innocent people that might come across him should he be driving.

Where did you see that alcohol was involved? The closest thing I read said that it was unclear if it was involved.

If that's true, then Smith is most definitely looking at some sort of suspension from the league.

[NorthHawk]

It's looking like the Kap/Lockett story is fizzling fast: http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014 ... aepernick/

Did she wake up in the hospital not knowing how she got there as she claims or did she get jilted and refuse to leave until she got what she wanted? Evidently Lockett called police because she refused to leave and they were concerned with her "frame of mind".

I said in that thread it showed a lack of character.
I might have to change that considering what is now being revealed.

Regarding Aldon Smith, it looks like alcohol might be involved - again. What was it, 6 months since his rehab? I hope he can get this problem under control for his sake, if not for the innocent people that might come across him should he be driving.

Where did you see that alcohol was involved? The closest thing I read said that it was unclear if it was involved.

If that's true, then Smith is most definitely looking at some sort of suspension from the league.

The initial reports said the Police said they smelled alcohol, but he was never taken for any tests - as he wouldn't because it's not illegal to have a few drinks before getting on a plane.
As it's not provable, the league probably can't discipline him for it, but his actions are at the very least bizarre and it makes you think something else was in his system.
In any event, I hope he gets his act together if only for his own good.

[EntiatHawk]

Well, for the sake of the Alson, I hope he gets some help for himself. Known too many people with addiction issues and more times than not they have to hit the complete bottom of the barrel before they can climb back up. For him as a person I really hope that does not happen. He is a very good football player.

[HumanCockroach]

Guess he isn't flying "under the radar" anymore, as there's a couple reports that the NFL is considering a "significant" suspension, regardless of the outcome in this case..... At least their finally PAYING attention, maybe they'll suspend him at the end of the season as has been their MO for Seattle..... LOL.

[RiverDog]

The initial reports said the Police said they smelled alcohol, but he was never taken for any tests - as he wouldn't because it's not illegal to have a few drinks before getting on a plane.
As it's not provable, the league probably can't discipline him for it, but his actions are at the very least bizarre and it makes you think something else was in his system.
In any event, I hope he gets his act together if only for his own good.

I don't think that the fact that it isn't illegal to have a few drinks before boarding a plane will prevent the league from taking action if they have reason to believe that alcohol was involved in Smith's behavior at the airport. This isn't a court of law. Guys like PacMan Jones were suspended without so much as being arrested.

I can't see the league remaining silent about Aldon Smith. There's an obvious pattern of behavior that they can't condone by refusing to administer some sort of discipline, not when they've taken tough stands on guys like Worthlessburger and PacMan.

[NorthHawk]

The initial reports said the Police said they smelled alcohol, but he was never taken for any tests - as he wouldn't because it's not illegal to have a few drinks before getting on a plane.
As it's not provable, the league probably can't discipline him for it, but his actions are at the very least bizarre and it makes you think something else was in his system.
In any event, I hope he gets his act together if only for his own good.

I don't think that the fact that it isn't illegal to have a few drinks before boarding a plane will prevent the league from taking action if they have reason to believe that alcohol was involved in Smith's behavior at the airport. This isn't a court of law. Guys like PacMan Jones were suspended without so much as being arrested.

I can't see the league remaining silent about Aldon Smith. There's an obvious pattern of behavior that they can't condone by refusing to administer some sort of discipline, not when they've taken tough stands on guys like Worthlessburger and PacMan.

I can see them disciplining him under the Personal Conduct Policy, but I still have doubts about alcohol being a reason that would be included in this case because it was simply a side note and like I said no tests were administered. It's not like a DUI where a breath or blood sample was taken.
I agree, though some type of punishment will probably be given.

[RiverDog]

I can see them disciplining him under the Personal Conduct Policy, but I still have doubts about alcohol being a reason that would be included in this case because it was simply a side note and like I said no tests were administered. It's not like a DUI where a breath or blood sample was taken.
I agree, though some type of punishment will probably be given.

I dunno. I suppose it depends on what's spelled out in the NFL's substance abuse policy, which stage Smith was in, and if it is mandatory that a test be given before they can conclude he was under the influence if they can discipline him under that specific policy. Even if they can't say he was in violation of the substance abuse policy, I'm sure that if they police report states that Smith was even suspected as being under the influence of intoxicants when he was arrested that Goodell would take that into consideration when determining discipline under the personal conduct policy given that Smith himself has admitted to an alcohol problem.

The means by which Goodell does something about Smith is irrelevant. What is important is that he take some sort of action against this guy if he is to maintain his credibility.

[Eaglehawk]

Correct me if I am wrong guys, but he did say he had a bomb on him correct? I have not been reading up on this case, but if that is the case maybe some of you are missing the point.
He was accused of making a false threat at airport screening, which is a felony.

I would not give a rats ass about the DUI, unless I were the 49ers, and just fed up with his nonsense. Plus its only a gross misdemeanor. The felony is the kicker and if I were Goodell I would be looking at the felony with more serious eyes combined now with that DUI, and start drawing up some suspension paperwork for Smith.


Sure the DUI is serious and the league has policies in place for that, but to me the felony is more serious and should be mentioned in the same sentence.
I guess he's not a happy drunk like me.

[RiverDog]

Correct me if I am wrong guys, but he did say he had a bomb on him correct? I have not been reading up on this case, but if that is the case maybe some of you are missing the point.
He was accused of making a false threat at airport screening, which is a felony.

I would not give a rats ass about the DUI, unless I were the 49ers, and just fed up with his nonsense. Plus its only a gross misdemeanor. The felony is the kicker and if I were Goodell I would be looking at the felony with more serious eyes combined now with that DUI, and start drawing up some suspension paperwork for Smith.


Sure the DUI is serious and the league has policies in place for that, but to me the felony is more serious and should be mentioned in the same sentence.
I guess he's not a happy drunk like me.

I don't think any of us (specifically myself and North Hawk) were missing the point. Our discussion was about which policy did Smith violate, substance abuse, personal conduct, or both. I happen to think he's in violation of both if enough evidence is there to suggest that alcohol consumption played a role in this incident. It's a minor point.

My gut feel is that the charges will be reduced, but that shouldn't prevent Goodell from slapping a 4 game suspension on this dude. There seems to be an uninterrupted pattern with him that has developed.

[Hawktawk]

Correct me if I am wrong guys, but he did say he had a bomb on him correct? I have not been reading up on this case, but if that is the case maybe some of you are missing the point.
He was accused of making a false threat at airport screening, which is a felony.

I would not give a rats ass about the DUI, unless I were the 49ers, and just fed up with his nonsense. Plus its only a gross misdemeanor. The felony is the kicker and if I were Goodell I would be looking at the felony with more serious eyes combined now with that DUI, and start drawing up some suspension paperwork for Smith.


Sure the DUI is serious and the league has policies in place for that, but to me the felony is more serious and should be mentioned in the same sentence.
I guess he's not a happy drunk like me.

I don't think any of us (specifically myself and North Hawk) were missing the point. Our discussion was about which policy did Smith violate, substance abuse, personal conduct, or both. I happen to think he's in violation of both if enough evidence is there to suggest that alcohol consumption played a role in this incident. It's a minor point.

My gut feel is that the charges will be reduced, but that shouldn't prevent Goodell from slapping a 4 game suspension on this dude. There seems to be an uninterrupted pattern with him that has developed.

Why only four games RD? Lets see a couple of dui's including blacked out with your wheels spinning up against a tree with drugs scattered around the car, weapons charges, stabbings, shootings and now a terrorist threat to TSA which may have been alcohol fueled. Why not a year? Has Goody not learned anything from the Aaron Hernandez saga? This guy is going to kill someone. Just heard the 9ers have no intention of releasing him BTW. "Above reproach LOL".

[HumanCockroach]

He'll get more than 4 games, when that occurs remains to be seen.

[RiverDog]

4 games is just a guess. I was assuming that since he hasn't been officially suspended by the league, that this would be a 4-gamer.

[HumanCockroach]

Typically when a player has as many "issues" over and over again, suspensions, "build" as well.... Pac Man got a full year when he was never arrested for "tarnishing" the leagues image.... not saying the NFL will do that with Smith ( though others certainly are saying they don't expect to see him in a Niners uniform in 2014, some while he serves a sentence in jail, some from the league), but the 4 game thing is a form of punishment for multiple drug offenses ( of which isn't the sole problems with Smith) it isn't some "standard" the use ( ie first suspension = 4 games), the NFL can suspend however they see fit, in regards to the conduct policy, the NFLPA can fight it, and the player can appeal it, but they can indeed suspend him for what ever the deem prudent.