Offseason changes

[Hawktawk]

11 returns in the show after being injured sounds to me like they just didn’t try it much . I like the job Dee Jay has done . Solid and gets him touches . I see his ceiling higher than many .
Russ is bad at screens . Like any pass play the qb is the most important guy . It’s not a coincidence screens have been bad for 10 years .

[Aseahawkfan]

The RB and O-line are what make screens work, not the QB. The screen is one of the simplest passes in the game. Even a back up or rook can make that pass. But if you don't have a RB and O-line that execute them well with the blocking and hit the hole fast, then you won't be much good at them. We haven't had a RB and O-line good at screens I've seen in Seattle under Carroll. Carroll doesn't seem to like screen passes. I don't think he cares if we can do them well. I'm fine with that. Screens are ok on occasion, but hardly game winning plays. Screens are the type of plays a team learns to do well either to toss in the mix or if you have a RB and blocking better than your QB and want some easy play to run to get yards that works until the defense reads it easily and smashes it before it gets going.

[RiverDog]

11 returns in the show after being injured sounds to me like they just didn’t try it much . I like the job Dee Jay has done . Solid and gets him touches . I see his ceiling higher than many .
Russ is bad at screens . Like any pass play the qb is the most important guy . It’s not a coincidence screens have been bad for 10 years .

You can put whatever spin on it you like, that Penny was snake bit by injuries, that Pete misused or underutilized him, or that Russell couldn't execute a screen pass (which I think is BS), or maybe you can blame it on the man in the moon, it was a poor use of a valuable resource to dedicate a first round draft pick on him.

[RiverDog]

The RB and O-line are what make screens work, not the QB. The screen is one of the simplest passes in the game. Even a back up or rook can make that pass. But if you don't have a RB and O-line that execute them well with the blocking and hit the hole fast, then you won't be much good at them. We haven't had a RB and O-line good at screens I've seen in Seattle under Carroll. Carroll doesn't seem to like screen passes. I don't think he cares if we can do them well. I'm fine with that. Screens are ok on occasion, but hardly game winning plays. Screens are the type of plays a team learns to do well either to toss in the mix or if you have a RB and blocking better than your QB and want some easy play to run to get yards that works until the defense reads it easily and smashes it before it gets going.

Bingo!

The offensive line has to sell the defensive linemen and linebackers on a standard, drop back pass so they don't sniff it out and get in the middle of the interference to break it up while not permitting them to get a completely unobstructed run at the QB. Same story with the RB/TE has he has to sell his blocking assignment to the defense. If either of them fail to convince the defense that a regular pass play is coming at them, they can read and react.

One of the problems might be that being short, Russell may not be able to dink it over the onrushing defenders. But if that is the case, then you would think that Pete and Co. would know it and that the assumption that Penny would be able to contribute by running screen passes was unfounded.

[Hawktawk]

The RB and O-line are what make screens work, not the QB. The screen is one of the simplest passes in the game. Even a back up or rook can make that pass. But if you don't have a RB and O-line that execute them well with the blocking and hit the hole fast, then you won't be much good at them. We haven't had a RB and O-line good at screens I've seen in Seattle under Carroll. Carroll doesn't seem to like screen passes. I don't think he cares if we can do them well. I'm fine with that. Screens are ok on occasion, but hardly game winning plays. Screens are the type of plays a team learns to do well either to toss in the mix or if you have a RB and blocking better than your QB and want some easy play to run to get yards that works until the defense reads it easily and smashes it before it gets going.

Everybody makes the screen work but like any other throw it’s most important what the qb does . Everyone’s got to sell it , linemen by pass blocking convincingly enough before allowing rushers to over pursue. The back has to hide in the scrum and leak out perfectly . But the qb has to continue to feint a deep drop and keep his eyes downfield until a second before the throw . Maybe get hit in the teeth to sell it . But most important the throw has to be accurate and lead the back or whoever to yards after catch .Russ isn’t good at the play period . The team isn’t but he’s the worst component of it . He’s one of the best deep ball throwers in history , same for deep outs , sideline routes . It’s just not his play .

[Aseahawkfan]

Bingo!

The offensive line has to sell the defensive linemen and linebackers on a standard, drop back pass so they don't sniff it out and get in the middle of the interference to break it up while not permitting them to get a completely unobstructed run at the QB. Same story with the RB/TE has he has to sell his blocking assignment to the defense. If either of them fail to convince the defense that a regular pass play is coming at them, they can read and react.

One of the problems might be that being short, Russell may not be able to dink it over the onrushing defenders. But if that is the case, then you would think that Pete and Co. would know it and that the assumption that Penny would be able to contribute by running screen passes was unfounded.

I don't think it has much to do with Russ. Screens are done by almost any QB. It's almost entirely a product of the O-line and RB as the formation sets up with the opponent reading what you are doing based on the formation.

We don't have a good O-line or a consistently good RB. Our O-line and TE gets beat constantly in regular play and if Russ can't run around, he gets beat up. So not sure why anyone would expect them to run a screen play well. They'd just get beat and killed.

Our O-line is not good. Not mobile. Our RB play has been hit and miss for a while now.

But somehow we're supposed to be good at screens that require good O-line and RB play? Seems like a weird idea.

It's like asking an offense with bad WRs to be good at deep passing.

[Aseahawkfan]

Everybody makes the screen work but like any other throw it’s most important what the qb does . Everyone’s got to sell it , linemen by pass blocking convincingly enough before allowing rushers to over pursue. The back has to hide in the scrum and leak out perfectly . But the qb has to continue to feint a deep drop and keep his eyes downfield until a second before the throw . Maybe get hit in the teeth to sell it . But most important the throw has to be accurate and lead the back or whoever to yards after catch .Russ isn’t good at the play period . The team isn’t but he’s the worst component of it . He’s one of the best deep ball throwers in history , same for deep outs , sideline routes . It’s just not his play .

BS. We don't have a good O-line for a screen. Even if Russ sold it like Daniel Day Lewis this O-line would get blown up along with the RB. Not sure why you think we have an O-line to sell something like this when it's been bad practically since Russ has arrived with a revolving door at O-line that people have been complaining about since Pete has arrived.

I doubt a single Seattle fan other than maybe you would tout Pete and John's ability to draft O-line or RB talent. Every higher round pick RB they drafted hasn't performed well which is why we were using Chris Carson, a 7th round pick, as our primary back even though we have drafted multiple backs in earlier rounds.

Our O-line has literally been a graveyard of wasted draft picks that we let go at the end of their contracts to the point we had to trade for a LT on the tail end of his career from another team just to find a serviceable LT.

But hey, you keep on believing this is a competitive roster that hasn't been carried by an elite QB for the past 4 years. I can't wait to see how far this team falls if Russell leaves and I only hope we don't stay there indefinitely because some fool believes like you the roster isn't the issue, it's the elite QB with the single down year.

[RiverDog]

Everybody makes the screen work but like any other throw it’s most important what the qb does . Everyone’s got to sell it , linemen by pass blocking convincingly enough before allowing rushers to over pursue. The back has to hide in the scrum and leak out perfectly . But the qb has to continue to feint a deep drop and keep his eyes downfield until a second before the throw . Maybe get hit in the teeth to sell it . But most important the throw has to be accurate and lead the back or whoever to yards after catch .Russ isn’t good at the play period . The team isn’t but he’s the worst component of it . He’s one of the best deep ball throwers in history , same for deep outs , sideline routes . It’s just not his play .

BS. We don't have a good O-line for a screen. Even if Russ sold it like Daniel Day Lewis this O-line would get blown up along with the RB. Not sure why you think we have an O-line to sell something like this when it's been bad practically since Russ has arrived with a revolving door at O-line that people have been complaining about since Pete has arrived.

I doubt a single Seattle fan other than maybe you would tout Pete and John's ability to draft O-line or RB talent. Every higher round pick RB they drafted hasn't performed well which is why we were using Chris Carson, a 7th round pick, as our primary back even though we have drafted multiple backs in earlier rounds.

Our O-line has literally been a graveyard of wasted draft picks that we let go at the end of their contracts to the point we had to trade for a LT on the tail end of his career from another team just to find a serviceable LT.

But hey, you keep on believing this is a competitive roster that hasn't been carried by an elite QB for the past 4 years. I can't wait to see how far this team falls if Russell leaves and I only hope we don't stay there indefinitely because some fool believes like you the roster isn't the issue, it's the elite QB with the single down year.

Regardless of who's to blame for not being able to execute screen passes, we don't run them very often and it's silly to burn a #1 pick on a draft choice and expect him to excel in them.

[Hawktawk]

BS. We don't have a good O-line for a screen. Even if Russ sold it like Daniel Day Lewis this O-line would get blown up along with the RB. Not sure why you think we have an O-line to sell something like this when it's been bad practically since Russ has arrived with a revolving door at O-line that people have been complaining about since Pete has arrived.

I doubt a single Seattle fan other than maybe you would tout Pete and John's ability to draft O-line or RB talent. Every higher round pick RB they drafted hasn't performed well which is why we were using Chris Carson, a 7th round pick, as our primary back even though we have drafted multiple backs in earlier rounds.

Our O-line has literally been a graveyard of wasted draft picks that we let go at the end of their contracts to the point we had to trade for a LT on the tail end of his career from another team just to find a serviceable LT.

But hey, you keep on believing this is a competitive roster that hasn't been carried by an elite QB for the past 4 years. I can't wait to see how far this team falls if Russell leaves and I only hope we don't stay there indefinitely because some fool believes like you the roster isn't the issue, it's the elite QB with the single down year.

Show me where I've "touted" PCs ability to Draft O line talent. The lines have been good enough to win over 100 games over the last 10 years . Its clear he can draft RB talent and sign it in FA ala HOF bound Beast Mode and also Penney whose play makes clear why he was taken highly. I've watching ball since the early 70s. I analyze. I dont get all wrapped up in the emotion, winning some argument that was started 4 years ago.

I understand it as a small sample size, tiny. Although Penney was a game away from taking the starting job IMO when he went down in 2019. Had he been healthy down the stretch the postseason in 2019 might have been quite different. But Carson was a great pick in the 6th as well. We missed on Christine Michael but he wasn't terrible. He helped us win against Minnie in 2015 at 50 below zero. PCs decision to start Beast at Carolina the following week after missing 8 weeks and then refusing to board the team bus for the ice bowl in minny doomed us in the divisional as much as anything. That was a coaching FU . Penney and Carson got hurt. I guess PC needs a Christal ball.

I'm not Stevie wonder. I watch stuff. Russ has a few plays he makes as well as anyone in history behind all these bad lines. Penney is averaging 5.8 YPC behind this "bad line". Beast tore it up behind all PCs bad lines. Our run game is over 4 YPC on the year behind this bad injured line. There's a lot of difference between saying its a great line , awesome and saying its not the worst. Its not nearly the worst . Nobody's line is healthy by this time of the year either.

Bad lines is the excuse for bad play at the skill positions. And when it comes to screens Russ is bad. Hass was bad too for that matter. Wyman thinks Russel height is a huge factor as you need to continue to drop and let the linemen get almost home and then float it over. Its anathema to Russel entire game. He breaks out of clean pockets. then you must be accurate on the throw, on time hitting the runner in stride. he does none of it.

I wish I could link video of the attempt to Dee Jay vs the Rams. Russ gives it away with his eyes causing Donald to key on Deejay, Russ throws it to him anyway for a 4 yard loss. I cant believe the lack of situational awareness from such an intelligent player. I saw Burrow last weekend on a DOA screen simply throw the ball at the backs feet in a millisecond split decision. Russ sucks at screens. Great HOF player missing a serious weapon from his game he should work on more as it devastates a pass rush if properly timed. He'd rather perfect the deep bomb.
His play has been huge factor in our losses as well as our wins. That's what its like when you have a 35 million dollar franchise qb. Hes there to win games, . This year he didnt and its not all someone else fault. Last Sunday is as good as hes looked in a year so who knows?. Flash in the pan? return to normal? Its a huge question to try to figure out.

[RiverDog]

Its clear he can draft RB talent and sign it in FA ala HOF bound Beast Mode and also Penney whose play makes clear why he was taken highly.

Long before he traded for Beast, Pete knew what kind of running back he was. Beast grew up in Oakland and played up the road at Cal when Pete was coaching in LA at USC, so there is no doubt that he was quite familiar with him. Pete no longer has that advantage of having an intimate knowledge of the high schools and colleges on the west coast, and we've had problems filling the RB position since. Carson was a 6th round pick, meaning that we considered him a long shot, so it's difficult to give him credit for his success.

Penny has not made it clear why he was taken that highly. If he did, if Pete had the same vision about him that you do, we would have picked up his 5th year option.

[Hawktawk]

Long before he traded for Beast, Pete knew what kind of running back he was. Beast grew up in Oakland and played up the road at Cal when Pete was coaching in LA at USC, so there is no doubt that he was quite familiar with him. Pete no longer has that advantage of having an intimate knowledge of the high schools and colleges on the west coast, and we've had problems filling the RB position since. Carson was a 6th round pick, meaning that we considered him a long shot, so it's difficult to give him credit for his success.

Penny has not made it clear why he was taken that highly. If he did, if Pete had the same vision about him that you do, we would have picked up his 5th year option.

His combination of size, speed, and power is rare. He just wasn't healthy DESPITE HAVING ZERO INJURY HISTORY. He have been starting in 2019 had he not been hurt.

Its clear hes a first round type talent if you're not blind. I know your view on first round backs anyway but if you were taking back first round his skills obviously justify it. Much as Russ in 2012 there were other teams reportedly ready to swoop had Seattle not picked him. I am sure PC is ruing the day he decided against the option as he says from the podium now "we need him on our team." Hes been a big surprise on the roster this season to say the least. Surprised me. I had been harping on Penny since he got hurt "if" he gets healthy and "if" he still has the SPEED(the biggest question as Rawls comes to mind) he can be a factor. Boy howdy. Were probably 4-12 without him and had no excuse for losing to the bears with the kind of game he had.

This isn't about your opinion on draft day 4 years ago or his unfortunate injuries .Its building a 22 roster.
If the guy stays healthy hes a problem for whoever we line up against. I think he might draw some interest in FA if he plays well today against a playoff bound division opponent playing starters. If he gets stuffed maybe I'm out ahead of my skis on this one. Lets see.

As for PC not being able to evaluate talent since hes 10 years out of college I don't know about that. As I say particular after re watching games I dont see the roster as bleak as a lot of people. There's been a philosophy here to pay stars, to focus on the QB on offense for the big $ and then pay defensive stars. They try to develop O linemen. You cant address everything, nobody can. Adams is a disaster, a few really bad picks. But other than Adams every other team has similar busts.
The team isn't properly motivated or disciplined. That's why were 6-10 more than any other reason. That's PC.

[trents]

On the post game show, John Clayton was adamant that both Pete and Russel will be back next year. He was very dismissive toward the idea of either of them leaving but did state the Hawks need to give attention to rebuilding their O Line and strengthen their core team talent via free agency. I think he's probably correct in his analysis of what will actually happen in the off season. He also stated he felt the Hawks really need to do what it takes to retain Penny's services.

[I-5]

With the resurgence of our run game the past few weeks (thanks to Penny, Solari, Waldron, the O-line, etc), Russ playing closer to the Russ we know, it seems highly likely that ownership (despite what Jody Allen was quoted as saying) has more reasons to stand pat than make giant changes.

I see all of the major players staying: John, Pete, Russ...and Penny with a new contract in Seattle. So #7 for me.

But what I would LIKE to see is the VP title removed from Pete. He needs to be accountable to someone before Jody.

The only question is if Russ will agree to stay with Pete. Despite all the hoopla, he has never come out and say he has a problem with Pete.

[RiverDog]

With the resurgence of our run game the past few weeks (thanks to Penny, Solari, Waldron, the O-line, etc), Russ playing closer to the Russ we know, it seems highly likely that ownership (despite what Jody Allen was quoted as saying) has more reasons to stand pat than make giant changes.

I see all of the major players staying: John, Pete, Russ...and Penny with a new contract in Seattle. So #7 for me.

But what I would LIKE to see is the VP title removed from Pete. He needs to be accountable to someone before Jody.

The only question is if Russ will agree to stay with Pete. Despite all the hoopla, he has never come out and say he has a problem with Pete.

I don't necessarily disagree with putting someone else in charge between Pete and the owner, but who? The obvious choice is the general manager, but how do you elevate John over Pete after all these years? It's rewarding JS while slapping PC on the wrists.

IMO you either go big or stay home. Either fire Pete or stay your hand. At this point, I agree that #7 now seems like the most likely outcome. Then, of course, comes the next question: Does Russell want to stay?

[NorthHawk]

Last night Jordan Babineaux said he thinks Russ and his team will explore what is best for him and he suggested that Russ will want out.
I don't know if he knows Russ on a personal level or not - he used to play with him, but I think he might be closer to the truth than many
of the other media types.
As well, Pete sounded jacked up about the OL. I hope that doesn't mean he thinks we can go into next year with the same guys, but it
wouldn't surprise me if they did.

[Hawktawk]

None of the talking heads who have reported leaks by Mark Rodgers are backing off the reports of Russ wanting to explore his options . Another scenario floated on 710 was are they pressuring Seattle to redo Russels deal with 2 years left . If they do he’s a 50 million a year guy . I think Pete and john are staying but I also think Russ is gonna at least try to leave

[trents]

As well, Pete sounded jacked up about the OL. I hope that doesn't mean he thinks we can go into next year with the same guys, but it
wouldn't surprise me if they did.

Yes, a concern indeed. But having said that, I note how much better it makes your O Line look when you have a back of Penny's caliber running behind it. Penny has wonderful instincts and seems to most often make the right decision with his cuts when hitting the hole. And with his size and speed he just blows past those defenders who only get a glancing blow at him and then he's into the second level. He could be to Seattle what Derek Henry is to the Titans if he stays healthy. Someone to build a team around.

Another dynamic here is the influence of Adrian Petersen on Penny and other team members. Pete and several players have stated that Petersen's work ethic and attitude have has been contagious. Offer that guy a coaching position.

[RiverDog]

Another dynamic here is the influence of Adrian Petersen on Penny and other team members. Pete and several players have stated that Petersen's work ethic and attitude have has been contagious. Offer that guy a coaching position.

If you thought that the team took a PR roasting for the hiring of Tom Cable, who was accused of domestic violence and assault against adults, you can just imagine what the blow back would be like if we hired Adrian Peterson, who plea bargained a criminal child abuse charge and was suspended by the league:

Peterson was suspended in 2014 after being charged with felony child abuse for using a switch to spank his then-4-year-old son. It resulted in cuts and bruises all over the boy's body, including his buttocks and scrotum.

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/child-abu ... d=59352482

[trents]

That was 8 years ago, River. I think that one is in the rear view mirror now. I never hear about it anymore. Perhaps Peterson learned his lesson and has moved on as well. One thing is apparent with him though, is his ability to inspire other players. He's the opposite of locker room cancer.

[Hawktawk]

Big whoop de do at this point regarding APs domestic abuse of his kid . My dad should have done time for what he did to me . The NFL has shown over and over if you can run and play your record doesn’t matter much . I’ll have a helping of crow if the reports of AP helping Penney are true rather than a revisionist PR campaign . I was highly critical of the signing due to the fact it would take carries away from guys like Penney . Well…..but this regime jumped the shark on character when they drafted Clark .
I have a question. Did Penney’s play down the stretch save Pete’s job ? The guy was a black eye for 4 years . With the Adams debacle they really needed a win on roster evaluation.

[I-5]

Did Penney’s play down the stretch save Pete’s job ? The guy was a black eye for 4 years . With the Adams debacle they really needed a win on roster evaluation.

I fully agree that Penny saved Pete's job, and not only that, it re-affirmed Peteball for better or worse. It's hard to argue the cloberring they put on the Cards. Of course, the Cards are terrible at home and didn't have as much to play for (they are an incredibly flawed team even with Murray), but that won't matter.

[RiverDog]

That was 8 years ago, River. I think that one is in the rear view mirror now. I never hear about it anymore. Perhaps Peterson learned his lesson and has moved on as well. One thing is apparent with him though, is his ability to inspire other players. He's the opposite of locker room cancer.

Big whoop de do at this point regarding APs domestic abuse of his kid . My dad should have done time for what he did to me . The NFL has shown over and over if you can run and play your record doesn’t matter much . I’ll have a helping of crow if the reports of AP helping Penney are true rather than a revisionist PR campaign . I was highly critical of the signing due to the fact it would take carries away from guys like Penney . Well…..but this regime jumped the shark on character when they drafted Clark .
I have a question. Did Penney’s play down the stretch save Pete’s job ? The guy was a black eye for 4 years . With the Adams debacle they really needed a win on roster evaluation.

My old man never hit me with anything other than his open hand. But mom, on the other hand, wielded a wicked wooden spoon.

I agree with trents, that AP's domestic problems are quite while in the past and for my money, forgiveness is in order. All reports indicate that he's a good locker room guy. However, Peterson admitted a few years ago that he still uses a belt to discipline his kids. As hypersensitive as our society is today, it almost surely would come up if he were to be hired as a full time coach.

As far as Penny's play helping Pete keep his job, I don't think it will make a bit of difference one way or another. Keep in mind that we decided not to pick up Penny's 5th year option, so if anything, that judgement would be a strike against him if the position is that Penny has now proven himself as worthy of his first round selection.

[RiverDog]

Here's an article claiming that some changes are eminent:

According to The Athletic’s Jeff Howe, the Seahawks are expected to make “some degree of change” this upcoming offseason. While it’s unclear exactly what moves Seattle will make, both the front office and the coaching staff will be evaluated by Seahawks chair Jody Allen.

“There’s some degree of change anticipated this offseason in Seattle, according to people familiar with the situation. Seahawks chair Jody Allen will be assessing the coaching staff and front office, but her intentions are a mystery. Big week for Pete Carroll and John Schneider,” Howe wrote on Sunday.

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-west/seattl ... -offseason

Anyone know how well connected this Jeff Howe is?

[NorthHawk]

Here's an article claiming that some changes are eminent:

According to The Athletic’s Jeff Howe, the Seahawks are expected to make “some degree of change” this upcoming offseason. While it’s unclear exactly what moves Seattle will make, both the front office and the coaching staff will be evaluated by Seahawks chair Jody Allen.

“There’s some degree of change anticipated this offseason in Seattle, according to people familiar with the situation. Seahawks chair Jody Allen will be assessing the coaching staff and front office, but her intentions are a mystery. Big week for Pete Carroll and John Schneider,” Howe wrote on Sunday.

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-west/seattl ... -offseason

Anyone know how well connected this Jeff Howe is?

Never heard of him, but all of these types find people around the league that they've developed over the years.
When I did a quick search on him this is what I got:

Jeff Howe is the NFL National Insider for The Athletic. A native of Lowell, Mass. and a UMass graduate, he previously covered the New England Patriots from 2009-21. Howe, who has been with The Athletic since 2018, is the author of “If These Walls Could Talk: New England Patriots"

He sounds like he's pretty far away from Seattle, but I guess that doesn't really mean much in today's instant communication world.

[I-5]

Here's an article claiming that some changes are eminent:

According to The Athletic’s Jeff Howe, the Seahawks are expected to make “some degree of change” this upcoming offseason. While it’s unclear exactly what moves Seattle will make, both the front office and the coaching staff will be evaluated by Seahawks chair Jody Allen.

“There’s some degree of change anticipated this offseason in Seattle, according to people familiar with the situation. Seahawks chair Jody Allen will be assessing the coaching staff and front office, but her intentions are a mystery. Big week for Pete Carroll and John Schneider,” Howe wrote on Sunday.

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-west/seattl ... -offseason

Anyone know how well connected this Jeff Howe is?

Right now, no one knows anything. The articles talking about change have no idea what those changes might be. We'll all find out.

[RiverDog]

Here's an article claiming that some changes are eminent:

According to The Athletic’s Jeff Howe, the Seahawks are expected to make “some degree of change” this upcoming offseason. While it’s unclear exactly what moves Seattle will make, both the front office and the coaching staff will be evaluated by Seahawks chair Jody Allen.

“There’s some degree of change anticipated this offseason in Seattle, according to people familiar with the situation. Seahawks chair Jody Allen will be assessing the coaching staff and front office, but her intentions are a mystery. Big week for Pete Carroll and John Schneider,” Howe wrote on Sunday.

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-west/seattl ... -offseason

Anyone know how well connected this Jeff Howe is?

Right now, no one knows anything. The articles talking about change have no idea what those changes might be. We'll all find out.

That's true, but if there is, indeed, an eminent change big enough that it requires a meeting of the ownership group, the topic is likely to be something other than changing the design on the stationary. I would think that it would have to involve the HC and/or GM.

[Hawktawk]

The article was written before the last game . I listened to most of PC with Salk today . He seems pretty confident but when asked what’s going to happen , position coaching etc he said he doesn’t know until his meeting with Jodi . He made kind of an odd reference to it as “ her royal court “ or something like that . I think only person who knows what’s going to happen is Jodi and she might still be deciding .

[NorthHawk]

I hope she asks what their plan is for QB if Russ says he wants out.
It would seem like an obvious question but it wouldn’t surprise me if it doesn’t come up.
As well, i hope she talks to Wilson and asks him his thoughts on his future.

[RiverDog]

I'm not at all certain that Jodi is going to be the one that will be leading the discussion(s). From what I've heard, she has a tight knit circle of advisors at Vulcan that she relies on for advice. She is very open and frank about the fact that she's not a football person, so she might just sit in the corner with her arms folded and listen to the exchange.

[NorthHawk]

I'm not at all certain that Jodi is going to be the one that will be leading the discussion(s). From what I've heard, she has a tight knit circle of advisors at Vulcan that she relies on for advice. She is very open and frank about the fact that she's not a football person, so she might just sit in the corner with her arms folded and listen to the exchange.

That makes some sense. Then i’ll refine my comment to say I hope someone asks the above questions. Pete’s a good
salesman, so I would think he could talk circles around someone who doesn’t know much about the sport.

[trents]

Pete talks in circles even to those who know the sport.

[Hawktawk]

I'm not at all certain that Jodi is going to be the one that will be leading the discussion(s). From what I've heard, she has a tight knit circle of advisors at Vulcan that she relies on for advice. She is very open and frank about the fact that she's not a football person, so she might just sit in the corner with her arms folded and listen to the exchange.

I think there may be some misconceptions about Jodi based on her low profile personna. She has reportedly grown in the role from a place holder looking for a buyer to enjoying her role . She attends every Seahawks home game at the Allen’s private suite so she heard the boos , watched snowballs thrown on the field , 40 k in the stands .

I would not be surprised if she’s a bit peeved about being characterized as a potted plant . Based on the ruthless blood letting in Portland it’s clear someone in the leadership is willing to yank the ripcord and she had to be onboard . Jason LaCanfora doubled down yesterday on the story that Jodi and the Vulcan brass are still mulling a breakup which would mean both Russ and Pete would go . No mention of JS . I felt like PC has been coaching for his job since mid season .

[Hawktawk]

Pete talks in circles even to those who know the sport.

Yep as does Russ. Mealy mouth circle speak

[Aseahawkfan]

Regardless of who's to blame for not being able to execute screen passes, we don't run them very often and it's silly to burn a #1 pick on a draft choice and expect him to excel in them.

I would like some people to remember that the O-line has been a source of frustration for Seattle since Pete and John arrived. I could parse multiple Seahawk sites and forums as well as our draft history for bad O-line picks or high O-line picks we let walk because they weren't performing well over the course of the entire time Pete has been here. The last good O-line we had was under Holmgren when Hutch and Big Walt were anchoring the left side. Since then it's been serviceable at best. The only thing that saved us was a crazy legs elite QB who could turn a broken play into a TD or a first down running or passing on the run.

Seems some people easily forget this when you break your finger and have a down year.

[c_hawkbob]

First, there is a difference between "talking circles around someone" and "talking in circles to someone". The former indicates a much greater knowledge of the subject matter than the someone, the latter indicated not being able to complete a thought or make a coherent point. I'd say in regards to Pete talking football to virtually anyone the former is much more apt.

Second:

Jason LaCanfora doubled down yesterday on the story that Jodi and the Vulcan brass are still mulling a breakup which would mean both Russ and Pete would go

How do get reach these conclusions? And why do you state them as obvious facts? "Still mulling a breakup" does in no way mean that "both" Russ and Pete would go.

[tarlhawk]

How easy it is to say "the O-Line" is horrific...nothing gets done under Pete and John...blah blah blah...no specifics given on WHY it is so glaringly terribly which is why they usually use other websites or media talking heads to point out as..."see...its not just me who knows our offensive line sucks" What if we invested 3 #1 picks on a center and two guards...then spent 25 million apiece on two tackles...and amazingly we still have plenty of sacks and QB hits on Russell?

What would be your cry then? No doubt you'd say "Pete and John got the "wrong" tackles...John selected the wrong draft picks...look with my amazing hindsight they shoulda picked THIS GUY...everyone knows he had "hidden talents". If they suffer your typical random NFL injury...too bad ...you're a #1 pick...you need to be productive...UGH another bad pick from Pete and John.

Some of you must have very depressing lives because your posts are always doom and misery..."I don't care how many winning seasons we have...its so easy because we have RW covering "all our weaknesses"...but if RW gets hurt...they even turn on him...there's just no optimism to be found and yet this is a typical fan site where we can all wallow in our misery..."hopeless we are victims of bad management"

We are quick to find "hope" that so and so (talking head) says ownership is having a "meeting" (suspicions/doubt)...never mind a poster on this site pointed out that this "mystery meeting" occurs every year after the season closes...but "my "tea leaves" discern this could be a sign of MAJOR shakeups". You can tell who they are by how they apologize for every victory our team achieves..."well it was earned during "garbage time" so you stupid little mewlings shouldn't get your hopes up" or "Duh the other team is already in the playoffs so why would they try to win an NFC West Championship?" or they'll point out in spite of Russell's strong QB rating...he really sucked at 3rd down completion %...never mind how 3rd and long (penalty/att to extend play) compares to 3rd and short...he is "highly paid" and should be able to overcome that type of statistic...and ultimately my rant comes to a close with an observation...our team suffered a losing season for whatever the many possible speculations/reasons only known by its "fans"...somehow it happens in the NFL...don't look behind the curtain at the many losing seasons our divisional rivals have suffered thru...that is "them" but this is US.

[NorthHawk]

How do get reach these conclusions? And why do you state them as obvious facts? "Still mulling a breakup" does in no way mean that "both" Russ and Pete would go.

We can only read between the lines and I tend to think that Russ wants out even if Pete goes, too.
He may be eyeballing the brighter lights of a larger market. That seems to fit considering he had
Chicago on his list last year and they haven't been on an upward trend for years - and now this year
the Giants were on the updated list. It sort of leads me to believe that he's ready to move on to
bigger pastures where he can make a lot more money and his wife can boost her career. Where
better than in NY where they will have a new regime in place this year and an owner who is taking
a lot of heat for not improving the team?

[NorthHawk]

How easy it is to say "the O-Line" is horrific...nothing gets done under Pete and John...blah blah blah...no specifics given on WHY it is so glaringly terribly which is why they usually use other websites or media talking heads to point out as..."see...its not just me who knows our offensive line sucks" What if we invested 3 #1 picks on a center and two guards...then spent 25 million apiece on two tackles...and amazingly we still have plenty of sacks and QB hits on Russell?

What would be your cry then? No doubt you'd say "Pete and John got the "wrong" tackles...John selected the wrong draft picks...look with my amazing hindsight they shoulda picked THIS GUY...everyone knows he had "hidden talents". If they suffer your typical random NFL injury...too bad ...you're a #1 pick...you need to be productive...UGH another bad pick from Pete and John.

Some of you must have very depressing lives because your posts are always doom and misery..."I don't care how many winning seasons we have...its so easy because we have RW covering "all our weaknesses"...but if RW gets hurt...they even turn on him...there's just no optimism to be found and yet this is a typical fan site where we can all wallow in our misery..."hopeless we are victims of bad management"

We are quick to find "hope" that so and so (talking head) says ownership is having a "meeting" (suspicions/doubt)...never mind a poster on this site pointed out that this "mystery meeting" occurs every year after the season closes...but "my "tea leaves" discern this could be a sign of MAJOR shakeups". You can tell who they are by how they apologize for every victory our team achieves..."well it was earned during "garbage time" so you stupid little mewlings shouldn't get your hopes up" or "Duh the other team is already in the playoffs so why would they try to win an NFC West Championship?" or they'll point out in spite of Russell's strong QB rating...he really sucked at 3rd down completion %...never mind how 3rd and long (penalty/att to extend play) compares to 3rd and short...he is "highly paid" and should be able to overcome that type of statistic...and ultimately my rant comes to a close with an observation...our team suffered a losing season for whatever the many possible speculations/reasons only known by its "fans"...somehow it happens in the NFL...don't look behind the curtain at the many losing seasons our divisional rivals have suffered thru...that is "them" but this is US.

The OL has been a source of concern since the beginning of this regime.
Even when Marshawn was playing here, it wasn't a good group but Lynch made them out to be better than they were. He was breaking in excess of 100 tackles/year and one year was around 120 when the next'
highest figure was in the low 80's. We saw how bad the OL really was when he left and the run game never recovered. And to make it worse, it was never fixed even though it was acknowledged to be something
that needed to improve. Is it any wonder Wilson got pissed off? They had 6 years to fix it and they haven't. Meanwhile KC replaced 4 out of 5 of their OL this year and are rolling along quite well. Next year they
should be even better. So it can be done but the organization has to know what they are doing, and this one hasn't shown they do.

[tarlhawk]

It sort of leads me to believe that he's ready to move on to
bigger pastures where he can make a lot more money and his wife can boost her career. Where
better than in NY where they will have a new regime in place this year and an owner who is taking
a lot of heat for not improving the team?

So Chicago and New York are only a QB away from SB appearances? The Giants with only 2 million in cap space are going to be able to shed 50
million in "only their worse players"? So Russell wants to share the heat being taken by NY Giants ownership? These teams got this way for whatever reasons and quick fixes by "new" management? is supposed to be a draw at reaching a goal of 3 SB's? The fact that they don't have strong coaching/GM already is supposed to lure RW there? ...and the Saints aren't even talked about anymore with 65 Million cap space in the red already. I give Russell more credit for being smarter than the fans who adore his capabilities...these "choices" sound like something a baseball agent might target...

[tarlhawk]

The OL has been a source of concern since the beginning of this regime.
Even when Marshawn was playing here, it wasn't a good group but Lynch made them out to be better than they were. He was breaking in excess of 100 tackles/year and one year was around 120 when the next'
highest figure was in the low 80's. Meanwhile KC replaced 4 out of 5 of their OL this year and are rolling along quite well. Next year they
should be even better. So it can be done but the organization has to know what they are doing, and this one hasn't shown they do.

So Marshawn was "breaking tackles" behind the LOS? His O-Line sucked so he had to break tackles? He didn't break tackles once in the crease? His reputation as a "beast" to bring down had nothing to do with him reaching the 2nd level where LB's hang out? Guess I missed out on "seeing" poor Marshawn having to escape all those defenders penetrating our "porous" line into the backfield...and all those successful "read options" that he and RW tortured the edge containment with? It's never a TEAM winning effort with you...always an individual being forced to rise above the failings of his TEAM.

KC replaced 4/5 of their O-Line because they had no other draft/FA concerns? This is the team with 2 100 million dollar contracts and a star QB playing on his rookie salary...being admired for gambling with their future...or do these two million dollar contracts expire before their QB hits his 2nd contract?