2022 Season of Hope

[tarlhawk]

My view of 2022 with certain contracts renewed/renegotiated...strong 2022 Draft Selections/ Free Agent signings...higher cap space to go with our rollover cap space.
In "my world" Pete Carrol and Russell become re-invigorated with firmer trust and John Schneider works some "draft magic/limited but effective free agent signings.

2022 Offense
Russell Wilson returns with a purpose and a new toughness/confidence to restore ...this TEAM.
His weapons : WR DK Metcalf/ WR Tyler Lockett/ (WR/KR )Dee Eskridge/ TE Gerald (new contract)/ TE Colby Parkinson
Run Support: Rashaad Penny (new contract)/ Chris Carson (Clean bill of health)/ Alex Collins
Pass PRO RB : Travis Homer
O-Line: LT Duane Brown (new contract)/ LG Phil Haynes/ C Damien Lewis/ RG Gabe Jackson/ RT Jake Carhan
New O-Line blood: LT Stone Forsythe/ FA Target (Tackle)/ 3rd/4th Rd Draft Interior picks (C/G)
Decisions/compete : QB Gino Smith/ QB Jacob Eason/ WR Freddie Swain/ WR Penny Hart WR Cade Johnson/ WR Cody Thompson/ WR Aaron Fuller/ WR John Ursua TE Will Dissly (UFA)/ / RB DJ Dallas/ RT Brandon Shell (UFA)/ (G/T)Jamarco Jones/ (G/C)Kyle Fuller/ C Ethan Pocic (UFA)/ C Dakoda Shepley

2022 Defense
LB Corps: MLB Bobby Wagner with an accepted renegotiated front loaded contract/his understudy MLB Cody Barton/ WLB Jordyn Brooks (Rising Star)/ SLB Benson Mayowa (in competition) FA OLB (to be determined/in competition)
D-Line: Edge Darrel Taylor (Rising Star)/ Edge Carlos Dunlap (in competition)/ Edge Alton Robinson (in competition)/ (Edge/DT) Kyle Hyder/ (Edge/DT) L J Collier (in competition)/ (Edge/DT) Rasheem Green (new contract)/ Edge (2nd Rd Draft Pick-Future star)/ FA Edge (in competition)...Interior: DT Poona Ford/ DT Bryan Mone/ DT Myle Adams (in competition)
Secondary: Corners: RCB DJ Reed (new contract)/ RCB (4th Rd Draft Pick) LCB Tre Brown/ LCB Sidney Jones (new contract) LCB/RCB FA (to be determined/in competition) (LCB/RCB) (5th Rd Draft Pick) Safeties: FS Quandre Diggs (new Frnchise tagged contract)/ Dime Ryan Neal (new contract)/ SS Jamal Adams (Rising Star)/ SS Marquise Blair (Nickel Back)
Def-Competition/Drifting away: Ugo Amadi/John Reid/Bliss Austen/Tanner Muse/Jon Rhattigan/Al Woods/Robert Nkemdiche/Gavin Heslop

2022 Special Teams: K Jason Myers (in competition)/ P Michael Dickson (ST Weapon)/ Long Snapper Tyler Ott/ (ST/LB/FB) Nick Bellore/ (ST/LB) Ben Burr-Kirven

[NorthHawk]

What makes you think their draft strategy will change?
Pete thinks all he needs is a couple of pieces, and he's in a win now frame of mind.
That suggests trading away the future for the present - as they have done the last few years.
As well, with all of the noise around Wilson, what makes you think he wants to be here with Pete as HC?
I admire your optimism, but for the life of me I can't see how you get to that point.

[TriCitySam]

I'm quite sure none of us know what Pete thinks he needs, and other than Jamal, we really haven't traded away the future. Generally, we accumulate draft picks. We know Pete doesn't feel he has to blow it up and start over. And when you have a bunch of 1 score losses, I would agree. I know they understand their situation far better than we do, and I don't believe their blindly walking forward.

[tarlhawk]

What makes you think their draft strategy will change?
Pete thinks all he needs is a couple of pieces, and he's in a win now frame of mind.
That suggests trading away the future for the present - as they have done the last few years.
As well, with all of the noise around Wilson, what makes you think he wants to be here with Pete as HC?
I admire your optimism, but for the life of me I can't see how you get to that point.

I'll admit my above post is "best case" scenario. I think the friendships Russell has formed here are something that corresponds to the joy he seeks. He can't easily replace Tyler Lockett as a go-to source of security and his familiarity with the NFC teams gives a big edge for identifying what the opponent has done before. He seems very close to the charities he champions here and didn't he partially invest in the Kraken?

[tarlhawk]

I'm quite sure none of us know what Pete thinks he needs, and other than Jamal, we really haven't traded away the future. Generally, we accumulate draft picks. We know Pete doesn't feel he has to blow it up and start over. And when you have a bunch of 1 score losses, I would agree. I know they understand their situation far better than we do, and I don't believe their blindly walking forward.

Pete is always tough to figure out...which is why he likes to give clues for the draft that reflect their targets but very cryptic. But he did say during a recent interview he hasn't been pleased with our pass rush results this season...so I anticipate our highest draft pick going that direction...or a Game changer FA Baller...or both. I speculate on him viewing the Def Line as the catalyst for elevating the defense as a whole. I think our run defense is what has allowed us to be ranked high in regard to points against despite our team ranking so very low in other standards. To me the high ranking in Points Against is even more impressive considering Time of Possession has been so lopsided too many times...it's like keeping our opponents out of the end zone while giving their offense twice as much time to score and twice as many plays...incredible effort often overlooked.

[NorthHawk]

Pete said that years ago and then proceeded to bypass TJ Watt, so does what he says really mean anything?
As well, he went 2 other drafts without selecting any pass rushers in the top rounds at all. In probably the
best draft of DL in years we didn't get anyone that could really help as JS traded down the board past all of
the good DL.
So history isn't on our side with this.

[Hawktawk]

Russ.Wants.Out.
Mission abort. IMO and that of a lot of people in the business Russ wants traded period. His actions after the Detroit game as the last man off the field signing autographs and walking around was Roethlisberger esque like he knows its the last time. Now the leak today by his agent Mark Rodgers that he had a 6 point checklist for Seattle to address from last offseason to have faith in the direction of the organization and they have checked none of the boxes. 6?????

6 point checklists are designed to get yourself traded and make it look like the teams fault to preserve your image. No head coach or organization is going to put up with it. Maybe Matt Lafleur but his guy came off his petulant offseason to hang up an MVP season and grab homefield. Russ? not after the year hes had.

So if I'm right and he wants out what then? Would he hold out? I used to think no now I think yes. If he played at an acceptable level do we franchise him the next year? I've been in management 4 decades and I dont retain disgruntled employees no matter how good they are if we cant resolve the issues.
Gonna get interesting soon. But tarihawk we need to know about this guy before anything else personnel wise.
I think Wags is gone as well.

[RiverDog]

My view of 2022 with certain contracts renewed/renegotiated...strong 2022 Draft Selections/ Free Agent signings...higher cap space to go with our rollover cap space.
In "my world" Pete Carrol and Russell become re-invigorated with firmer trust and John Schneider works some "draft magic/limited but effective free agent signings.

2022 Offense
Russell Wilson returns with a purpose and a new toughness/confidence to restore ...this TEAM.
His weapons : WR DK Metcalf/ WR Tyler Lockett/ (WR/KR )Dee Eskridge/ TE Gerald (new contract)/ TE Colby Parkinson
Run Support: Rashaad Penny (new contract)/ Chris Carson (Clean bill of health)/ Alex Collins
Pass PRO RB : Travis Homer
O-Line: LT Duane Brown (new contract)/ LG Phil Haynes/ C Damien Lewis/ RG Gabe Jackson/ RT Jake Carhan
New O-Line blood: LT Stone Forsythe/ FA Target (Tackle)/ 3rd/4th Rd Draft Interior picks (C/G)
Decisions/compete : QB Gino Smith/ QB Jacob Eason/ WR Freddie Swain/ WR Penny Hart WR Cade Johnson/ WR Cody Thompson/ WR Aaron Fuller/ WR John Ursua TE Will Dissly (UFA)/ / RB DJ Dallas/ RT Brandon Shell (UFA)/ (G/T)Jamarco Jones/ (G/C)Kyle Fuller/ C Ethan Pocic (UFA)/ C Dakoda Shepley

2022 Defense
LB Corps: MLB Bobby Wagner with an accepted renegotiated front loaded contract/his understudy MLB Cody Barton/ WLB Jordyn Brooks (Rising Star)/ SLB Benson Mayowa (in competition) FA OLB (to be determined/in competition)
D-Line: Edge Darrel Taylor (Rising Star)/ Edge Carlos Dunlap (in competition)/ Edge Alton Robinson (in competition)/ (Edge/DT) Kyle Hyder/ (Edge/DT) L J Collier (in competition)/ (Edge/DT) Rasheem Green (new contract)/ Edge (2nd Rd Draft Pick-Future star)/ FA Edge (in competition)...Interior: DT Poona Ford/ DT Bryan Mone/ DT Myle Adams (in competition)
Secondary: Corners: RCB DJ Reed (new contract)/ RCB (4th Rd Draft Pick) LCB Tre Brown/ LCB Sidney Jones (new contract) LCB/RCB FA (to be determined/in competition) (LCB/RCB) (5th Rd Draft Pick) Safeties: FS Quandre Diggs (new Frnchise tagged contract)/ Dime Ryan Neal (new contract)/ SS Jamal Adams (Rising Star)/ SS Marquise Blair (Nickel Back)
Def-Competition/Drifting away: Ugo Amadi/John Reid/Bliss Austen/Tanner Muse/Jon Rhattigan/Al Woods/Robert Nkemdiche/Gavin Heslop

2022 Special Teams: K Jason Myers (in competition)/ P Michael Dickson (ST Weapon)/ Long Snapper Tyler Ott/ (ST/LB/FB) Nick Bellore/ (ST/LB) Ben Burr-Kirven

I admire your optimism, but you can look at nearly every roster in the league and find silver clouds in it if you look hard enough. We have to keep our roster in perspective, how it matches up against our competition. All 3 teams in our division have a deeper roster than we do.

As far as my own perception of this team, if we do nothing and try to kid ourselves that this team is anything more than the .500ish team that it is, my outlook isn't very rosy. It's the definition of futility if you keep trying the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

[tarlhawk]

I admire your optimism, but you can look at nearly every roster in the league and find silver clouds in it if you look hard enough. We have to keep our roster in perspective, how it matches up against our competition. All 3 teams in our division have a deeper roster than we do.

As far as my own perception of this team, if we do nothing and try to kid ourselves that this team is anything more than the .500ish team that it is, my outlook isn't very rosy. It's the definition of futility if you keep trying the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

My optimism is not the half-glass full/empty philosophy but this upcoming draft is the first time since 2011 and 2012 drafts that we will be drafting from the TOP of the draft EACH ROUND even the extra 4th rd pick from the NYJ will be a higher selection than our own 4th rd pick. Both the 2011 and 2012 drafts followed back to back 7-9 seasons (2010/2011) and if you take away the two first rd picks from those drafts (B.Irvin/J.Alexander)

The remaining picks yielded some very good players. Its easier to pick the cherries when you're using a ladder (picking in the top 15 picks each round)...thats some of my optimism ...our cap space next year combined with our rollover cap from this year should give us a decent shot at a no brainer free agent pick-up and the added flexibility of keeping some of our best players instead of sending them packing. Am I putting a lot of trust in Pete and John? Yes I am. The key is Russell returning to being his old self...with even more weapons at his disposal. I use a post showing the possibility of Russell and Ciara having established real roots HERE :

This is an example from 2019 of Russell and his wife establishing roots here in Seattle.


By Chuck SchilkenStaff Writer
Aug. 13, 2019 12:12 PM PT

Russell Wilson and his wife, Ciara, have joined the ownership team of Major League Soccer’s Seattle Sounders FC.

“Football. Fútbol. We Love them both!” the Seattle Seahawks quarterback tweeted Tuesday morning, along with a photo of himself, Ciara and their children in Sounders gear. “We can’t wait for our kids to grow up loving Soccer!”

Wilson and Ciara are part of a new group of investors in the team that is led by former Microsoft executive Terry Myerson and his wife, Katie Myerson, and also includes Seattle-bred rapper Macklemore and his wife, Tricia Davis.

“We are fired up about the Seattle Sounders because it’s our home. It’s the place we get to raise our kids and the place we are forever connected to,” Wilson and Ciara said in a statement released by the Sounders. “We want to have the world’s best soccer players play here in Seattle and win championships!”

[NorthHawk]

Er, uh, our first pick is at the top of the 2nd round - we don't have a 1st round selection this year and traded away a 5th I think, but have 2 4ths.
There will still be some good players, but the history is we won't select them. I hope I'm wrong.
Regarding the soccer club stuff well you don't have to be in the same city to invest in a business.
I invested in Apple, but I've never been to the city they are located in and I can't remember what city it's in because it doesn't matter.

[RiverDog]

I admire your optimism, but you can look at nearly every roster in the league and find silver clouds in it if you look hard enough. We have to keep our roster in perspective, how it matches up against our competition. All 3 teams in our division have a deeper roster than we do.

As far as my own perception of this team, if we do nothing and try to kid ourselves that this team is anything more than the .500ish team that it is, my outlook isn't very rosy. It's the definition of futility if you keep trying the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

My optimism is not the half-glass full/empty philosophy but this upcoming draft is the first time since 2011 and 2012 drafts that we will be drafting from the TOP of the draft EACH ROUND even the extra 4th rd pick from the NYJ will be a higher selection than our own 4th rd pick. Both the 2011 and 2012 drafts followed back to back 7-9 seasons (2010/2011) and if you take away the two first rd picks from those drafts (B.Irvin/J.Alexander)

The remaining picks yielded some very good players. Its easier to pick the cherries when you're using a ladder (picking in the top 15 picks each round)...thats some of my optimism ...our cap space next year combined with our rollover cap from this year should give us a decent shot at a no brainer free agent pick-up and the added flexibility of keeping some of our best players instead of sending them packing. Am I putting a lot of trust in Pete and John? Yes I am. The key is Russell returning to being his old self...with even more weapons at his disposal. I use a post showing the possibility of Russell and Ciara having established real roots HERE :

This is an example from 2019 of Russell and his wife establishing roots here in Seattle.

You left out the fact that we don't have a #1 pick.

I honestly don't need any more Russell Wilson promotionals about how deep his roots are here. He and his agent have dropped enough hints over the past 9 months that it more than balances out those United Way-type commercials of him that you've been posting. I haven't a clue where his heart truly sits and feel that the chances are basically 50/50 that he'll be our QB next season.

As far as my own optimism goes, I'm one of those "show me the money" guys. I'm reluctant to get too excited about our prospects even when we're coming off a very good year as I hate getting my hopes up only to have them dashed. I'm much rather have low expectations and have them be exceeded. But even if I was an eternal optimist as you are, I wouldn't be getting too excited until I had some sort of information on who our head coach and QB are going to be.

[tarlhawk]

You left out the fact that we don't have a #1 pick.

I honestly don't need any more Russell Wilson promotionals about how deep his roots are here. He and his agent have dropped enough hints over the past 9 months that it more than balances out those United Way-type commercials of him that you've been posting. I haven't a clue where his heart truly sits and feel that the chances are basically 50/50 that he'll be our QB next season.

As far as my own optimism goes, I'm one of those "show me the money" guys. I'm reluctant to get too excited about our prospects even when we're coming off a very good year as I hate getting my hopes up only to have them dashed. I'm much rather have low expectations and have them be exceeded. But even if I was an eternal optimist as you are, I wouldn't be getting too excited until I had some sort of information on who our head coach and QB are going to be.

I mentioned lacking the first rd pick loss...but with an incomplete thought...I mentioned if you take away the 1rst Rd picks from the 2011/2012 Drafts : B.Irvin and J. Carpenter...the success of those drafts were found outside of those picks...2011 4th (KJ)/5th (Sherman)/6th (Maxwell) and 7th (M.Smith-SB MVP)...and from 2012 2nd (Wagner)/3rd (RW)/4th Turbin/6th (J.Lane) and 7th (JR Sweezy)

He has not stated any such desires because he has two years remaining on his contract...are the teams calling in offers willing to pay Seattle for the dead money that would affect our cap space? ...as well as any speculated 1rst Rd draft picks...and accepting RW have the cap space to "absorb" him...certainly not the Saints or Giants.

I understand the risk of dashed hopes...I used to be far more passionate of accepting the emotional swings that close games cause. My wife has played an excellent role in being more passive yet supporting of this team.

[tarlhawk]

Er, uh, our first pick is at the top of the 2nd round - we don't have a 1st round selection this year and traded away a 5th I think, but have 2 4ths.
There will still be some good players, but the history is we won't select them. I hope I'm wrong.
Regarding the soccer club stuff well you don't have to be in the same city to invest in a business.
I invested in Apple, but I've never been to the city they are located in and I can't remember what city it's in because it doesn't matter.

Never said we did have a 1rst Rd selection...in my mock-up roster do you see mention of using a 1rst? We still have our 5th Rd Pick...We traded a 6th Rd pick for the services of CB Sidney Jones (and the opportunity to retain him with an extended contract)

[NorthHawk]

My optimism is not the half-glass full/empty philosophy but this upcoming draft is the first time since 2011 and 2012 drafts that we will be drafting from the TOP of the draft EACH ROUND even the extra 4th rd pick from the NYJ will be a higher selection than our own 4th rd pick.

How could we not infer from this post that according to you we have a first round pick?

[RiverDog]

My optimism is not the half-glass full/empty philosophy but this upcoming draft is the first time since 2011 and 2012 drafts that we will be drafting from the TOP of the draft EACH ROUND even the extra 4th rd pick from the NYJ will be a higher selection than our own 4th rd pick.

How could we not infer from this post that according to you we have a first round pick?

I was under that impression, too, which is why I said that you left out the fact that we didn't have a first round selection.

[tarlhawk]

[quote="NorthHawk"
How could we not infer from this post that according to you we have a first round pick?[/quote]

I mentioned where we should use EACH pick (except our 7th because its a wildcard placeholder for someone we like who looks to go undrafted so we claim him to keep other teams away)...where did I mention the use of a 1rst rd pick? I assumed everyone knows we don't have a 1rst Rd pick...many posts always bemoan this!

"and if you take away the two first rd picks from those drafts (B.Irvin/J.Alexander)..." I had called Carpenter "Alexander"

I was in the middle of typing how Bruce Irvin and J.Carpenter were both 1rst rd picks whose loss would not bring a shadow over the success of the latter rounds...but it was time for breakfast and I have lost entire posts before...so I hurriedly posted...sorry you felt misled.

[NorthHawk]

Ah, understand. Stuff happens online as opposed to talking.

One thing that's in the back of my mind and is bothering me is if this team sinks into irrelevance and ends up at a level of the Jets is
when a new owner buys it, will he want to move the franchise?
Consider: maybe 4 or 5 billion for the team and the stadium is now 20 years old.
That's not ancient for a football stadium, but it is on the downside of it's life span. A new owner would have to consider the extra in either refurbishing Lumen Field or
building a whole new building - which will be another Billion or more.
Would a new owner want to just cut the cord and rebuild in another city that offered more in concessions?
If the team falls into the Jets category, might the fan base decline thus justifying a move by that new owner?
Maybe it's just my paranoia from the Behring experience, but it's in the back of my mind.

[tarlhawk]

Ah, understand. Stuff happens online as opposed to talking.

One thing that's in the back of my mind and is bothering me is if this team sinks into irrelevance and ends up at a level of the Jets is
when a new owner buys it, will he want to move the franchise?
Consider: maybe 4 or 5 billion for the team and the stadium is now 20 years old.
That's not ancient for a football stadium, but it is on the downside of it's life span. A new owner would have to consider the extra in either refurbishing Lumen Field or
building a whole new building - which will be another Billion or more.
Would a new owner want to just cut the cord and rebuild in another city that offered more in concessions?
If the team falls into the Jets category, might the fan base decline thus justifying a move by that new owner?
Maybe it's just my paranoia from the Behring experience, but it's in the back of my mind.

You brought up some good points to support your concern but why would Jody or her investment management team unload a very profitable source of revenue? Our team has established worldwide marketing appeal...this in turn has encouraged the "12's" as a recognized fan base. Many things came together to undermine our team this year ...many things God willing that won't repeat in our near future. Our current management is nothing like the NY Jets and that is why the Jets suffer so much...the modern NFL is "set-up" to allow teams to elevate themselves from being "bottom feeders"...their fans have a legitimate beef to point at Jet management as "failing". Look at the Bronco's...they have had a hard time since losing the SB to us in 2013...worse was when Peyton Manning retired...John Elway has had a difficult time replacing Manning and the fan base's ire has turned in his direction. This upcoming draft is the NFL version of awarding the teams who have suffered a losing season for whatever reasons...we benefit from this bias...and I am confident our GM will "deliver the goods".

[RiverDog]

Ah, understand. Stuff happens online as opposed to talking.

One thing that's in the back of my mind and is bothering me is if this team sinks into irrelevance and ends up at a level of the Jets is
when a new owner buys it, will he want to move the franchise?
Consider: maybe 4 or 5 billion for the team and the stadium is now 20 years old.
That's not ancient for a football stadium, but it is on the downside of it's life span. A new owner would have to consider the extra in either refurbishing Lumen Field or
building a whole new building - which will be another Billion or more.
Would a new owner want to just cut the cord and rebuild in another city that offered more in concessions?
If the team falls into the Jets category, might the fan base decline thus justifying a move by that new owner?
Maybe it's just my paranoia from the Behring experience, but it's in the back of my mind.

You brought up some good points to support your concern but why would Jody or her investment management team unload a very profitable source of revenue? Our team has established worldwide marketing appeal...this in turn has encouraged the "12's" as a recognized fan base. Many things came together to undermine our team this year ...many things God willing that won't repeat in our near future. Our current management is nothing like the NY Jets and that is why the Jets suffer so much...the modern NFL is "set-up" to allow teams to elevate themselves from being "bottom feeders"...their fans have a legitimate beef to point at Jet management as "failing". Look at the Bronco's...they have had a hard time since losing the SB to us in 2013...worse was when Peyton Manning retired...John Elway has had a difficult time replacing Manning and the fan base's ire has turned in his direction. This upcoming draft is the NFL version of awarding the teams who have suffered a losing season for whatever reasons...we benefit from this bias...and I am confident our GM will "deliver the goods".

I agree with tarlhawk up until his last sentence.

I agree that it's not completely baseless concern that the team could implode, and the owner get frustrated and sell the team similar to what happened to the Sonics when Howard Schultz sold out, but it's very improbable. But for all of us that survived the Behring years, it is still something that's a very real concern.

It's a little different subject, but I think that the days that teams could count on large percentages of public financing for stadiums is over. There isn't the support there once was. Besides, if a team wants to move, city financing is unlikely to mean a lot. The Rams had a stadium funding plan provided to them by the City of St. Louis and they moved anyway. MLB's Oakland A's ownership recently described the City of Oakland's offer of a $1 billion baseball stadium as "disappointing" as they have their eyes on moving to Las Vegas.

[NorthHawk]

You brought up some good points to support your concern but why would Jody or her investment management team unload a very profitable source of revenue?

Jody Allen is not the owner of the Seahawks. She is a trustee of Paul Allens assets that include the Seahawks.
His will stipulates that all of his investments be sold and the money go to his causes. That's why his boat is up for sail and the Trustees have sold
real estate in Hawaii and California so far. The Seahawks will at some point be on the block like all other assets he held.

Our current management is nothing like the NY Jets and that is why the Jets suffer so much.
They are driving us toward that level of incompetence and if Wilson leaves we will be there with them. Pete isn't interested in a rebuild that would take
years to get the talent level back to what it needs to be to really compete. Trading away draft picks shows us that he wants a quick fix.

Look at the Bronco's...they have had a hard time since losing the SB to us in 2013...worse was when Peyton Manning retired...John Elway has had a difficult time replacing Manning and the fan base's ire has turned in his direction. This upcoming draft is the NFL version of awarding the teams who have suffered a losing season for whatever reasons...we benefit from this bias...and I am confident our GM will "deliver the goods
This regime has not shown to be willing or able to make the good solid picks in the draft that are required to get back to the necessary talent level that we need to get back on track. And it's a mult-year
process that Pete has shown he's not willing to undertake.

[Aseahawkfan]

Northhawk is correct about the Seahawks being held in a trust. I'm betting Paul Allen as good as he was to Seattle and Portland has clear language that the Seahawks do not get sold to anyone that will move them out of Seattle. And the trust may just hold the team indefinitely to keep the team here. Allen has enough in the trust to keep the Seahawks going indefinitely. Paul Allen was one of the best sports owners ever. He really appreciated the fan bases of his teams. We may end up sort of like Green Bay without the fan ownership where a Trust holds the Seahawks indefinitely and Allen's Trust rules hire a good football manager as needed to maintain the team.

[Hawktawk]

Northhawk is correct about the Seahawks being held in a trust. I'm betting Paul Allen as good as he was to Seattle and Portland has clear language that the Seahawks do not get sold to anyone that will move them out of Seattle. And the trust may just hold the team indefinitely to keep the team here. Allen has enough in the trust to keep the Seahawks going indefinitely. Paul Allen was one of the best sports owners ever. He really appreciated the fan bases of his teams. We may end up sort of like Green Bay without the fan ownership where a Trust holds the Seahawks indefinitely and Allen's Trust rules hire a good football manager as needed to maintain the team.

I agree with this. I doubt Allen would have ever allowed language that would facilitate the Teams ever being moved. besides why would you . Seahawks is a lot bigger brand than it was 15 years ago.

[RiverDog]

Northhawk is correct about the Seahawks being held in a trust. I'm betting Paul Allen as good as he was to Seattle and Portland has clear language that the Seahawks do not get sold to anyone that will move them out of Seattle. And the trust may just hold the team indefinitely to keep the team here. Allen has enough in the trust to keep the Seahawks going indefinitely. Paul Allen was one of the best sports owners ever. He really appreciated the fan bases of his teams. We may end up sort of like Green Bay without the fan ownership where a Trust holds the Seahawks indefinitely and Allen's Trust rules hire a good football manager as needed to maintain the team.

I'm no expert, but I would be surprised if an owner could add a no move stipulation that a prospective owner would have to honor. I do know that corporate ownership is not allowed and that the majority owner has to own at least 30% of the team and that there be no more than 24 partners. Green Bay, as we all know, was grandfathered in and is owned by 'stockholders', ie their fans. The Houston Texans do have a clause that limits them to Harris County as that government actually invested in the team, an action which is now against the league's ownership bylaws.

IMO it's a moot point anyway and not worth arguing. The Hawks are not leaving anytime in the near future.