Russell: " I hope it’s not my last game (in Seattle)"

[Hawktawk]

Why are you getting spun up over a single win against a 2 and 14 team?

This game means about as much to me as its playoff implications. This was a meaningless game to two bad teams that need overhauls and you're getting spun up about it?

We'll see what happens in the offseason. That's what I care about at this point. We got a lot of issues on the roster. Even in a 51 point game against a garbage team, no sacks. If this were a fight for the playoffs, I still think we would have been trashed. But wait, we weren't even in contention.

I admired a good game . Really good on offense , first true blowout in a year . And I don’t play good team bad team , especially this year . Detroit’s 2 wins came vs AZ and Minn. the tie was with Pittsburgh . We are 0-3 vs those teams . It’s a nice win . Russ was very good . Penney is a game changing chunk field position changer. This does not change a bad season and a team that’s fallen apart . I don’t agree it’s Russ and 21 stiffs at all . There’s lots of good players .

[tarlhawk]

This game means about as much to me as its playoff implications. This was a meaningless game to two bad teams that need overhauls and you're getting spun up about it?

We'll see what happens in the offseason. That's what I care about at this point. We got a lot of issues on the roster. Even in a 51 point game against a garbage team, no sacks. If this were a fight for the playoffs, I still think we would have been trashed. But wait, we weren't even in contention.

With the exception of your valid point of not having any sacks...your posts continue very negative...an NFL win is an NFL win...that game had the formula of how this team wins going forward. The sacks either reflect a good effort by the Lion's O-Line...or our weakened secondary not covering T.Ryans targets quick enough to force him into check downs giving our pass rush more time to deliver.

The way the win occurred is more important as it allowed Waldron to use plays that kept the opponent on their heels and demonstrated an assortment of play calling that kept them guessing. Our O-Line executed very well ...and Phil Haynes at LG sealed some good blocks that sprung Penny for good gains. Cody Barton subbed in pretty well for B.Wagner and J. Brooks terrorized the opponent on numerous occasions...one time picking up a stalled runner and slamming him to the ground forcing a fumble "which wasn't" because his progress had stopped.

An NFL win at home is an NFL win...and benefits everyone...except the naysayers.

[NorthHawk]

This is more like the Offense many of us expected from Waldron and what we had seen little bits of from Schottenheimer.
We had some up tempo series, Russ threw underneath a bunch and there was pre snap motion with some handoffs to the man in motion.
If they had played the same boring Offense like the previous games, it would have been a nail biter as the Lions with another backup QB
hung 29 on our team.
On Offense it was almost like Pete said, go ahead and play the Offense you want to play, let's see what you got instead of we're playing
it my way. Russ actually looked like he was into the game yesterday.

[RiverDog]

Wtf where has this team been the last year and a half . Good for Russ if it is his last game here it’s memorable . So much for bad players , bad drafts Penney is a bust Carroll can’t coach . Some play the it was a bad team game but I don’t . They had a decent defense coming in . Scoring 51 and kneeling at their goal line to boot . Impressive . I’m scratching my head. I’m sure Jodi is too.

Why are you getting spun up over a single win against a 2 and 14 team?

This game means about as much to me as its playoff implications. This was a meaningless game to two bad teams that need overhauls and you're getting spun up about it?

We'll see what happens in the offseason. That's what I care about at this point. We got a lot of issues on the roster. Even in a 51 point game against a garbage team, no sacks. If this were a fight for the playoffs, I still think we would have been trashed. But wait, we weren't even in contention.

I admired a good game . Really good on offense , first true blowout in a year . And I don’t play good team bad team , especially this year . Detroit’s 2 wins came vs AZ and Minn. the tie was with Pittsburgh . We are 0-3 vs those teams . It’s a nice win . Russ was very good . Penney is a game changing chunk field position changer. This does not change a bad season and a team that’s fallen apart . I don’t agree it’s Russ and 21 stiffs at all . There’s lots of good players .

I'm with ASF on this one. Both teams were out of a very liberal playoff seeding where nearly half of the 32 teams qualify and with absolutely nothing riding on the outcome. It was a glorified preseason game, the only difference being the time of the year. The primary object wasn't winning, it was player evaluation, trying to figure out offseason needs, determine which players to let loose and which to offer contracts. All it did was pad some statistics, determine draft slotting, and re-adjusting a few other team's SOS for the purpose of playoff seeding. I was no more excited about the outcome of this game than I was the Pro Bowl. We were two bottom feeders fighting over who has the ugliest stepsister.

As far as Penny goes, unless we can get a heck of a discount, I don't see the wisdom of offering him close to what he's likely to get on the FA market, at least not until we get some definitive information on Chris Carson's status, of whom we're going to take a $6.4M cap hit next season. As good as Penny looked, he's still the 2nd best running back on our roster when all are healthy.

[RiverDog]

An NFL win at home is an NFL win...and benefits everyone...except the naysayers.

The Jets are likely pissed as our win bumped the draft pick we gave them from the #6 to the #7 overall and with the Lions losing, the Jags might be worried that they could win next week and screw themselves out of the #1 overall.

Outside of that, there was no practical benefit to either team other than a tiny bit of pride or at least the avoidance of further humiliation. I'm sure glad I didn't waste money buying a game ticket to that contest.

[TriCitySam]

The Detroit game was classic Seahawk football: strong running game and work the play action and deep stuff off that. It’s the kind of game that makes Russ his best, not much cooking there.

I am still puzzled about how they’re using Eskridge - mostly sweeps. He’s obviously fast and elusive,I’d like to see him used in routes more.

[RiverDog]

The Detroit game was classic Seahawk football: strong running game and work the play action and deep stuff off that. It’s the kind of game that makes Russ his best, not much cooking there.

I am still puzzled about how they’re using Eskridge - mostly sweeps. He’s obviously fast and elusive,I’d like to see him used in routes more.

Classic Pete Ball. We'll see how well it works against a good top 10 defense like the Cards have. They just got through holding the Cowboys, a top 10 rushing team, to 45 yards on the ground.

Yea, nothing but jet sweeps and bubble screens for Eskridge, sort of like how we used Percy Harvin. Lots of horizontal plays, man in motion stuff, very little action downfield.

One of the raps on Eskridge coming out of college is that he had problems handling press coverages and wasn't real good at fighting for jump balls, so perhaps they're trying to move him around a lot behind the LOS so he doesn't have to worry about DB's lining up in front of him and jamming him at the LOS and where he can utilize his pure athletic ability rather than having to chicken fight with cornerbacks trying to get him off his route. I also wouldn't be surprised if he's a little behind the curve in reading NFL defenses being that he was on IR as long as he was. It's an art form that takes a few seasons to acquire.

At least he's getting some action in our end of season preseason games.

[c_hawkbob]

"The kind of conversations we have behind the scenes are not in line with the rumors. Not at all," Carroll said Monday, according to Michael-Shawn Dugar of The Athletic. "We've been talking, we've been together and connected throughout this whole season. That's why it's easy to dismiss those (reports) at this time."

Carroll's quotes came hours after Seattle's 51-29 victory over the Detroit Lions in what was potentially Carroll and Wilson's last game together.

[Hawktawk]

The kind of conversations we have behind the scenes are not in line with the rumors. Not at all," Carroll said Monday, according to Michael-Shawn Dugar of The Athletic. "We've been talking, we've been together and connected throughout this whole season. That's why it's easy to dismiss those (reports) at this time."
Carroll's quotes came hours after Seattle's 51-29 victory over the Detroit Lions in what was potentially Carroll and Wilson's last game together
MMMMHHHHM. Yeah he said Russ was ready too. He’s also said he doesn’t personally talk to Jodi unless a meeting is called . That’s JS. I’m not saying they aren’t going to walk it back with Pete’s regime . But Russ is gone IMO. Like the class guy he is he was the last guy out of lumen . Signing autographs . I think it was a great win . In a lost season to hang up 50 in your last game at Lumen . Hell yes I loved it . But he’s got a no trade clause . He doesn’t have to leave . He wants to . The lack of interest in an extension is mutual . He’s gone .

[TriCitySam]

Carroll's quotes came hours after Seattle's 51-29 victory over the Detroit Lions in what was potentially Carroll and Wilson's last game together.

Those comment came at Pete’s Monday presser. I have to believe he knows what he’s talking about, so he doesn’t believe it’s the end of the line. RW’s own comments back that up, all the others are outside. So we’ll see if the outside noise has meat or if it’s just noise.

[Hawktawk]

Let’s see nobody knows . I think Russ is gone . Not sure about Pete

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't think Russ is gone at all. I think the entire reason we're at this point is obvious to any professional football manager. This team has a bad roster. Most of these guys would not even be starters on other teams.

If changes are made, it will be the head coach and GM. They are biggest architects of this junk roster. I think what we'll see is a lot of cuts of guys like Duane Brown and Carlos Dunlap. These old vets signed because the current head coach and GM think we're a few players away from a Super Bowl. Then there will be a careful analysis of the roster by people with the right distance to make cold, calculating decisions like cutting Bobby and getting rid of Jamal Adam's contract. Then re-signing DK Metcalf and keeping quality pieces like Brooks and Diggs.

The rest of the roster will be put in the fight for their jobs and back to what Pete and John did when they first got here, which is compete for your job or you won't be here. If old veterans don't like it, they can walk.

This entire roster needs an overhaul badly and a return to a situation where you have to earn your job. Not this trying to find those few pieces for a Super Bowl when you've allowed key units like your O-line and D-line to erode to the point where they are some of the worst units in the league.

[Hawktawk]

Mike Garafolo reporting Seahawks will not trade Wilson but that Carroll and JS will be meeting with Jodi Allen shortly after the season. Maybe one of Mark Rodgers 6 boxes is new coach . We will see

[Agent 86]

Mike Garafolo reporting Seahawks will not trade Wilson but that Carroll and JS will be meeting with Jodi Allen shortly after the season. Maybe one of Mark Rodgers 6 boxes is new coach . We will see

https://www.nfl.com/news/seahawks-have-no-plans-to-trade-qb-russell-wilson-following-2021-season

[c_hawkbob]

Pretty standard for teams to have a meeting with front office, HC and ownership at the end of a season. I can't imagine anyone seriously reading anything into it.

[RiverDog]

Yeah, there's not a lot of new information in that article. Saying that the Hawks have "no plans" to trade Russell, even if the quote is accurate, doesn't mean that they won't be listening to offers. I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it one way or another.

[Hawktawk]

The more loudly he proclaimed his honesty the more closely I guarded the silver . This isn’t sports at this time in Seattle . It’s politics . I believe these writers and key players about as much as I believe a politician .

[Hawktawk]

Reported this morning by CBS sports and bleacher report Russell would like to explore his options . He has not asked for a trade and may not . Just wants to see if there’s somewhere he can win more championships . And of course I get done reading the articles and Chris Mortenson reports all systems are go in Seattle with the big 3 although there will be “ rumors “ regarding Wilson . At this point I hope the reports are not true but if they are it’s time to pull the ripcord . Let him go . Good lord I wonder how his line feels . Last I checked he won a championship here. Love us or leave us .

[NorthHawk]

Reported this morning by CBS sports and bleacher report Russell would like to explore his options . He has not asked for a trade and may not . Just wants to see if there’s somewhere he can win more championships . And of course I get done reading the articles and Chris Mortenson reports all systems are go in Seattle with the big 3 although there will be “ rumors “ regarding Wilson . At this point I hope the reports are not true but if they are it’s time to pull the ripcord . Let him go . Good lord I wonder how his line feels . Last I checked he won a championship here. Love us or leave us .

Yah, implied in his statement is he doesn't think he can win more championships here.
New Orleans would be the best destination. Look at what Payton did with Winston and their 2nd string QB hurt. They even beat TB this year with limited QB talent.
Unfortunately, they don't have the draft capital to spend. The Steelers, Colts, Eagles, and maybe the Dolphins might be destinations he could be interested in.
Those are teams that are on the edge of becoming very good or a championship team, but I don't know their draft pick status. Russ's last list included the Giants
but, like the Dolphins, it might depend on who they end up with for HC.

[tarlhawk]

Even if "reports" are out there...until Russell makes a statement himself or holds a press conference...then there are no "statements" and no rumor validation. Fans can speculate but he signed a contract with no one forcing him to and two years remain on that contract. If he is exploring options for two years from now that seems a bit early...but "thanks for the warning".

[RiverDog]

Even if "reports" are out there...until Russell makes a statement himself or holds a press conference...then there are no "statements" and no rumor validation. Fans can speculate but he signed a contract with no one forcing him to and two years remain on that contract. If he is exploring options for two years from now that seems a bit early...but "thanks for the warning".

Which he's not going to do.

There's a possibility that Russell actually likes all this drama, similar to Bret Favre's retiring/unretiring.

[jshawaii22]

The timing of Russell's most recent statement coincides with Pete and JS's meeting with Jody and team management and the word comes out that Pete & JS's jobs are 'safe' is what we need to look at. I fully think Russell wants a new coaching staff and that the return of the same-o same-o is forcing Russell's hand.

To me the 2 years left is meaningless. If Russell tells the team he wants out and makes a trade demand (well, HE wouldn't make the demand, but his 'team' would) then the Seahawks really have little choice in t he matter. We can wait to hear if Russell drops more teams he's willing to be traded to. If the team keeps Russell at that point, then you have an unhappy QB and you can't expect to contend.

[TriCitySam]

The media reports are getting a little tiring. The history of star QB's moving has not produced solid results. Did for Payton and Brady, but there is a whole list of others from Farve, Montana, etc. that didn't work out that well. I will go back to one of my earlier comments, that that is: winning teams are generally about the players being focused on "us", not their "legacy".

This I agree with NFL Network's Mike Garafolo reported Jan. 9 that "Seattle has no plans to trade Wilson this offseason and is proceeding as if he'll be their QB in 2022. Those questions are why, with two years left on Wilson's deal, Seattle holds the cards.

Only time will tell how far Wilson decides to push those cards."

[Hawktawk]

The timing of Russell's most recent statement coincides with Pete and JS's meeting with Jodi and team management and the word comes out that Pete & JS's jobs are 'safe' is what we need to look at. I fully think Russell wants a new coaching staff and that the return of the same-o same-o is forcing Russell's hand.

To me the 2 years left is meaningless. If Russell tells the team he wants out and makes a trade demand (well, HE wouldn't make the demand, but his 'team' would) then the Seahawks really have little choice in t he matter. Watch to hear if Russell drops more teams he's willing to be traded to. If the team keeps Russell at that point, then you have an unhappy QB and you can't expect to contend.

Exactly . I don’t care the business you need to part ways with a disgruntled employee as soon as convenient . This is the second year of leaks and 4th or 5th year taking shots at the roster after losing in postseason .


PC made comments directed at Wilson in his post season comments about balance and running the ball , controlling the line of scrimmage , not giving the ball to the other team . “ you don’t need to throw for 400 yards if you do those things “

Since I posted what I had read about Wilson’s intentions I’ve seen the same story posted from other outlets . Sure looks like a leak from Russels camp . Trade him if it’s what he wants .

[Hawktawk]

Even if "reports" are out there...until Russell makes a statement himself or holds a press conference...then there are no "statements" and no rumor validation. Fans can speculate but he signed a contract with no one forcing him to and two years remain on that contract. If he is exploring options for two years from now that seems a bit early...but "thanks for the warning".

Russ has had numerous opportunities in front of a microphone over the past 2 years to say “ look I have a no trade clause, I’m contract for 2 seasons and I have every intention of fulfilling my contract and hopefully finish my career here “

instead discussing the NTC he said” it’s so you can’t be traded to anywhere “. Wake up and find out you’re traded “
“ love it here , love the city , but I also like winning too “ he’s been completely a mealy mouthed politician . It rankles me and I’m sure some of his teammates . He’d have 2 championships now if he hadn’t followed up the worst play call in super bowl history with maybe the worst pass in super bowl history . So charming he’s alarming . I don’t trust him. I don’t think every one of these well regarded reporters are gonna just make stuff up .

[RiverDog]

The timing of Russell's most recent statement coincides with Pete and JS's meeting with Jodi and team management and the word comes out that Pete & JS's jobs are 'safe' is what we need to look at. I fully think Russell wants a new coaching staff and that the return of the same-o same-o is forcing Russell's hand.

To me the 2 years left is meaningless. If Russell tells the team he wants out and makes a trade demand (well, HE wouldn't make the demand, but his 'team' would) then the Seahawks really have little choice in t he matter. Watch to hear if Russell drops more teams he's willing to be traded to. If the team keeps Russell at that point, then you have an unhappy QB and you can't expect to contend.

Exactly . I don’t care the business you need to part ways with a disgruntled employee as soon as convenient . This is the second year of leaks and 4th or 5th year taking shots at the roster after losing in postseason.

PC made comments directed at Wilson in his post season comments about balance and running the ball , controlling the line of scrimmage , not giving the ball to the other team . “ you don’t need to throw for 400 yards if you do those things “

Since I posted what I had read about Wilson’s intentions I’ve seen the same story posted from other outlets . Sure looks like a leak from Russels camp . Trade him if it’s what he wants .

It's getting harder and harder for the naysayers and doubters to dismiss these rumors as nothing but a bunch of click bait for reporters that have nothing better to do. This is Ian Rapoport putting his name behind the story, as credible of a source as they come, and we're in the middle of the playoffs, with plenty of stories and drama to keep reporters busy.

So we'll see where it leads. Like I said in another thread, the focus has shifted from whether or not Pete and/or JS keep their jobs to whether or not Russell demands a trade. Getcha popcorn!

[TriCitySam]

Bob Condotta’s article today points to this being not much of a story, saying “there appears to be little, if any, news to the story “. Noting it mentions an unnamed source, but it is not his agent; and basically neither side has indicated they want a trade. He chalks it up to a “what if” conversation by RW camp and the Hawks are planning on ‘22 being Pete, Russ and John. Maybe it’s exploratory by RW for ‘23 as he enters last year of this contract. GB paid little attention to Rogers statements about not coming back (RW has stated the opposite), Seattle paid little attention to Earls demands two years out.

RW last week “You guys keep asking me the same question, I think you must know something that I don’t know. I love being here and everything else. I love winning. We also have to do whatever it takes to make sure we’re doing that.”

I seriously doubt they are going to do anything other than what they’ve said.

[RiverDog]

Bob Condotta’s article today points to this being not much of a story, saying “there appears to be little, if any, news to the story “. Noting it mentions an unnamed source, but it is not his agent; and basically neither side has indicated they want a trade. He chalks it up to a “what if” conversation by RW camp and the Hawks are planning on ‘22 being Pete, Russ and John. Maybe it’s exploratory by RW for ‘23 as he enters last year of this contract. GB paid little attention to Rogers statements about not coming back (RW has stated the opposite), Seattle paid little attention to Earls demands two years out. I seriously doubt they are going to do anything other than what they’ve said.

Apples and oranges comparing Russell with Earl. Two different players/personalities at two different positions at two different points in their careers. As good as he was, Earl was never the center of attention and face of the franchise like Russell is now. Russell is our 500 pound gorilla.

[Old but Slow]

Russell's apparent intent, in my opinion, is purely to influence the system. He seems to recognize that there is little to be gained in a system the will not adjust. Carroll has complete control and is slow to adopt changes. Too often I have heard that defenses seem to know what play is being run. Perhaps that is the kind of areas that Russell is trying to influence.

[c_hawkbob]

I find it hilarious that you think Rapoport is above milking the Seahawks fan's collective anxiety for every click it's worth.

[Hawktawk]

I find it hilarious that you think Rapoport is above milking the Seahawks fan's collective anxiety for every click it's worth.

There’s a number of reporters with the same story . In none of his linguistically ambiguous statements has he declared he’s staying , no ifs ands or buts .

It’s no accident this latest leak coincides with wild card weekend . He’s been battling for control of the team with coach for years and he just lost the power struggle . He just learned it the other day . Jodi sided with PC and JS. I think he will be traded for max potential return if a potential suitor can be found . Why have a disgruntled QB play next year and maybe show decline entering a contract year ? I would bet the possibility was already discussed with Jodi .

[TriCitySam]

Apples and oranges comparing Russell with Earl. Two different players/personalities at two different positions at two different points in their careers. As good as he was, Earl was never the center of attention and face of the franchise like Russell is now. Russell is our 500 pound gorilla.

Statement stands on its own. Earl was a star player. Regardless of who RW is there is no need to be convinced the Hawks are going to cow down, he’s their QB and he is under contract. They’ll always listen, but they’ll decide what’s best for the team.

[Aseahawkfan]

There would be no point to keeping Pete and John if they trade Russ. No team is ready to compete without a top QB in place. All the sources I'm hearing from is that Pete, John, and Russ are all in place for another run next year.

[I-5]

All the sources I'm hearing from is that Pete, John, and Russ are all in place for another run next year.

I fully agree with this scenario, but what sources are you hearing from? I think all 3 will stay, but I base it only on what Pete has said, what Russ has said, and what makes the most sense to myself.

[Aseahawkfan]

I fully agree with this scenario, but what sources are you hearing from? I think all 3 will stay, but I base it only on what Pete has said, what Russ has said, and what makes the most sense to myself.

Rumor is that there wasn't any talk of changing leadership or moving Russ with Jodi Allen in the end of game talk. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33080293/source-pete-carroll-job-security-not-topic-routine-meeting-seahawks-gm-owner

[c_hawkbob]

I fully agree with this scenario, but what sources are you hearing from? I think all 3 will stay, but I base it only on what Pete has said, what Russ has said, and what makes the most sense to myself.

Rumor is that there wasn't any talk of changing leadership or moving Russ with Jodi Allen in the end of game talk. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33080293/source-pete-carroll-job-security-not-topic-routine-meeting-seahawks-gm-owner

Sounds like Mortenson's source was at the meeting with Allen while Rapoport's source was probably someone like Florio.

[Aseahawkfan]

As much as a portion of the fan base is unhappy, maybe one losing season isn't the ejection point for our management.

[I-5]

As much as a portion of the fan base is unhappy, maybe one losing season isn't the ejection point for our management.

I fully agree. One thing, however; since it Russ isn't mentioned to be part of this meeting, he would obviously be interested to know what the plan is for him to decide whether wants to be here, since in addition to saying he wanted to win Superbowls in Seattle, that he wants the team to do what it takes to win.

[Hawktawk]

I heard a saying once . Better check how big your parachute is before you jump out of the plane . Whose really out there that’s sure fire better ? But it clearly goes for a qb like Russel too. Who is going to be an upgrade ?

The decision may have come down to the final weeks and the teams improved play . Had they lost out after the bears game It may have been a different conversation.

So doesn’t this mean they clearly side with PC ? I think Russell’s future is very much in play . It was 18 months ago they erupted in a coaches meeting to ask for more input on game planning . Unless it’s all patched over I can’t see how Russel wants 2 more years of it .

[c_hawkbob]

So doesn’t this mean they clearly side with PC ?

I'd say that it does. Here, instead of an unnamed source, is what Pete just had to say: https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronLevine_ ... Vbbb7aRCNw

Sounds to that while Pete and John are still on board, trading Russ is still a possibility.