Kaep under investigation for bad things

[monkey]

Oh for cripes sakes...what a couple of tools.

Well, there you have it, they are wannabe's and by that I mean they are wannabe "thugs", since they are tossing up gang signs.
What a proud moment for those two losers.

Why in the world is a professional QB so interested in a culture that supports selling drugs that ruin people's lives, and MURDER, that he knows the hand signs for an area specific gang?
Think about what that means.
First the douche does a press conference with his stupid Miami hat on, while playing for the Niners, and now he's photographed flashing local Miami gang signs...good grief!
If this were a Seahawks QB I'd be ashamed to admit he was ours.

And before I get the inevitable pushback of "You're making WAY too much out of this monkey, it's just a part of the culture, it doesn't mean anything!" or "Flashing gang signs is just an innocent tip of the hat to the popular culture." let me just say, it means everything you ever need to know about the type of person he is.

I never ever again want to hear that he's a "good guy", because NO HE'S NOT! Good guys don't flash gang signs, even if it's just to look cool. That's because good guys don't support MURDERERS, DRUG DEALERS AND PIMPS!!! Which is what gangs are full of. Gang behavior is EVIL, therefore gangs are evil.
Let me say that again, gangs are EVIL!
Good guys, do not support evil gangs. Not in any way.
Kaepernick is NOT a good guy!

[Futureite]

I haven't been here in a week or two and have only read a couple comments on this thread. I am sure sone people have jumped to conclusions. What we do know is that there was no sexual assault and Kap and/or the other two drove her to the hospital. Who knows what happened, but doesn't sound like anything illegal or even immoral occured.

But my issue is Kap's judgment. Why are you even in this position when you are nevotiating a $20+ mil contract? And why are you hanging around idiots who are smoking dope?

At this point I would seriously consider moving on without Kap. Yes, I believe we can win a SB with him, he is clutch x, y and z. But these type of things cannot occur from the leader of your team. I am beginning to believe we'd be better off going a different direction.

While the judgement (on everybody's part) is weird on this one, what options do the 49ers have at QB? It ain't Blaine Gabbert, or anybody else on the roster, and there's nobody in FA or in the draft that's going to be able to step up and lead SF to the Super Bowl as well.

So, for as strange as this story is, the 49ers are really stuck with Kaepernick, for all intents and purposes. I'm not sure how much this will even affect the money he's looking to get. There's been nothing new to report on the story, so far, and CK isn't looking at any charges to begin with.

At the end of the day, I think CK is still signed long term and for the price range that's been speculated - 18 mil or so a season, for multiple years.

And, really, it's what's best for your team, IMO. SF is built to win a SB NOW. They don't have another option at quarterback that can take them there. Nobody. You'd literally need a HOF QB on a plane tomorrow for a legit shot, and that isn't happening.

I don't see CK as the douche that others do on here. I'm not big on his style at times, and do think his judgement was lacking in this particular case, but there's nothing otherwise to suggest that he is some bad dude overall off the field.

I think the 49ers still ink the guy do a new deal, and that he's really their best choice for where the franchise is at now, to get back to playing for a Lombardi. The window is only open so long. Starting over at QB is positively the last thing they can afford to do for the next 2 years or so, IMO.

I agree. He is not a bad guy. Never been in any kind of trouble and had a great academic career. But I have to kinda agree with one of your prior comments; his judgment is not good in a lot of situations. If I were in charge, I'd let him play thid yr and draft McCarron or someone else in the offseason. Why are you in a hotel room in this situation? Add $18 mil to his account and we're probably only going to see more of this. Can't have that from the leader of your team. But yes, he will be signed.

[HumanCockroach]

Oh for cripes sakes...what a couple of tools.

Well, there you have it, they are wannabe's and by that I mean they are wannabe "thugs", since they are tossing up gang signs.
What a proud moment for those two losers.

Why in the world is a professional QB so interested in a culture that supports selling drugs that ruin people's lives, and MURDER, that he knows the hand signs for an area specific gang?
Think about what that means.
First the douche does a press conference with his stupid Miami hat on,while playing for the Niners, and now he's photographed flashing local Miami gang signs...good grief!
If this were a Seahawks QB I'd be ashamed to admit he was ours.

And before I get the inevitable pushback of "You're making WAY too much out of this monkey, it's just a part of the culture, it doesn't mean anything!" or "Flashing gang signs is just an innocent tip of the hat to the popular culture." let me just say, it means everything you ever need to know about the type of person he is.

I never ever again want to hear that he's a "good guy", because NO HE'S NOT! Good guys don't flash gang signs, even if it's just to look cool. That's because good guys don't support MURDERERS, DRUG DEALERS AND PIMPS!!! Which is what gangs are full of. Gang behavior is EVIL, therefore gangs are evil.
Let me say that again, gangs are EVIL!
Good guys, do not support evil gangs. Not in any way.
Kaepernick is NOT a good guy!

I can't "confirm" it was one Monkey, I wasn't there, just saying it is used by gangs in the area. Not going to say positively thats what it was, when in all honesty, I have no idea. Just seems a little to convenient for me.

[Zorn76]

Futureite - We'll see.

Another thing to keep in mind is that if SF does choose to go another direction sooner than later, then what they offer now could be reflected by such a mindset coming up.

If not, they are possibly looking at some significant dead money if they give CK a big deal, then cut him for whatever reason 2 yrs into it, just to give an example. That's why I think if they do agree to a big 5 yr (or more) contract, that the FO is more or less committed to the guy, unless a disaster off the field happens.

The story is already losing its legs, pretty much. About the only one I see being directly affected by it in the end is Lockette, who in my estimation was going to have a hard time making the Seahawks' roster this year anyway, and now will almost certainly be cut, given that it was his apartment the three were at to begin with.

[monkey]

I can't "confirm" it was one Monkey, I wasn't there, just saying it is used by gangs in the area. Not going to say positively thats what it was, when in all honesty, I have no idea. Just seems a little to convenient for me.

You don't need to confirm it, I'll confirm it, that's clearly a SBP, South Beach Posse gang sign. It's as clear as the Squidward looking nose on Kaepernick's face.

Kaepernick is a punk. I didn't like him before, now I actively LOATHE him!
I loathe ANYONE who supports gangs.
Gangs are evil and supporting them in ANY way, even the most innocuous and seemingly harmless and innocent of ways, is still supporting VIOLENT, CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR!
I always knew he was a tool, now it's confirmed.

[Hawktawk]

What is in Kaps left hand in the photo. Crown royal bag? half ounce of weed in a bag? I don't know but something is clearly in his left hand. That guy looks higher than a hippie in a helicopter, that's for sure.

[RiverDog]

Well, I guess how she got there is being reported, so at least that portion of it is "solved" ( players called police, and the fire department transported her), waiting on toxicology tests I guess. If something shows up that isn't a run of the mill drug ( like Marijuana) these guys could still be facing some serious sh!te.

Even more responsible than taking her to the ER themselves would have been. Also the most legally sound thing to do, even though it opens the door to those drug issues. If there'd been something seriously wrong with her and they hadn't ...

I still say the pot's gonna be what gets 'em in trouble with the commish if anything does.

There's not much there with regard to the pot. All that I've seen is the woman's claim that they told her to take a hit on the bong. Outside of the toxicology report on the woman, of which we do not know the contents of, there is no physical evidence of pot anywhere in this story. The apartment didn't even belong to Kaep, so even if they did prove there was pot present, I can't see how they can hang it on Kaep.. So unless there's more information yet to be disclosed, I can't see this case going anywhere with the Commish or anyone else.

[Hawktawk]

Per the collective bargaining agreement there is only one test annually unless a player is in the substance abuse program. So a test aint happening

[RiverDog]

Per the collective bargaining agreement there is only one test annually unless a player is in the substance abuse program. So a test aint happening

He doesn't have to fail a test to get in trouble with the CBA's substance abuse policy. If a player runs afoul of the law and banned substances are involved, they can be disciplined per the CBA.

[Eaglehawk]

Stay tuned...
Me and Monkey have settled our issues off line. FYI. Not that any of you knuckleheads cared.

[c_hawkbob]

It's looking like the Kap/Lockett story is fizzling fast: http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2014 ... aepernick/

Did she wake up in the hospital not knowing how she got there as she claims or did she get jilted and refuse to leave until she got what she wanted? Evidently Lockett called police because she refused to leave and they were concerned with her "frame of mind".

[HumanCockroach]

What is in Kaps left hand in the photo. Crown royal bag? half ounce of weed in a bag? I don't know but something is clearly in his left hand. That guy looks higher than a hippie in a helicopter, that's for sure.

Pretty sure it's his sun glasses, but I could see how that mistake could be made....

[Eaglehawk]

As I told all of you, my gut was 100 percent right, as usual when this fact pattern presents itself.
Of course the evidence could have played out differently and I would have had to eat my words, and would have done so happily, but that was a 5 percent chance given my experience in this area.

Nuff said. Its a non story as the article itself said, and yes Bob she was jilted, which remains my theory of what happened.

Kap and Lockette may be thug wanna be's at the club but apparently they are also smart, at least Lockette was. Extremely smart.

The Bong thing is now in dispute as well. Why would L call the police if he were smoking pot? The police would have smelled the pot and possibly arrested him. So that is now not starting to add up either.

[NorthHawk]

When people are high and panicking they might do stupid things like call the cops.

In any event, it's beginning to seem like it was a crazy woman after all.
I hope so, the NFL doesn't need this and Kap sure doesn't while negotiating his largest contract.

[RiverDog]

As I told all of you, my gut was 100 percent right, as usual when this fact pattern presents itself.
Of course the evidence could have played out differently and I would have had to eat my words, and would have done so happily, but that was a 5 percent chance given my experience in this area.

Nuff said. Its a non story as the article itself said, and yes Bob she was jilted, which remains my theory of what happened.

Kap and Lockette may be thug wanna be's at the club but apparently they are also smart, at least Lockette was. Extremely smart.

The Bong thing is now in dispute as well. Why would L call the police if he were smoking pot? The police would have smelled the pot and possibly arrested him. So that is now not starting to add up either.

Good point. Lockette's been in the league a few seasons, so he of all people should know the league's stance on weed.

I'd say that although it's still questionable about how they were able to get themselves in this predicament in the first place, Kaep did nothing wrong and Lockette did the exact right thing by calling the cops about a naked woman passed out in his bedroom that had previously told him to 'get out.'. After all, it was his apartment, wasn't it?

Now Harbaugh can wipe his brow and let out a big "whew, that was a close one" and apply his 'beyond reproach' motto on Aldon Smith.

[NorthHawk]

As I told all of you, my gut was 100 percent right, as usual when this fact pattern presents itself.
Of course the evidence could have played out differently and I would have had to eat my words, and would have done so happily, but that was a 5 percent chance given my experience in this area.

Nuff said. Its a non story as the article itself said, and yes Bob she was jilted, which remains my theory of what happened.

Kap and Lockette may be thug wanna be's at the club but apparently they are also smart, at least Lockette was. Extremely smart.

The Bong thing is now in dispute as well. Why would L call the police if he were smoking pot? The police would have smelled the pot and possibly arrested him. So that is now not starting to add up either.

Good point. Lockette's been in the league a few seasons, so he of all people should know the league's stance on weed.

I'd say that although it's still questionable about how they were able to get themselves in this predicament in the first place, Kaep did nothing wrong and Lockette did the exact right thing by calling the cops about a naked woman passed out in his bedroom that had previously told him to 'get out.'. After all, it was his apartment, wasn't it?

Now Harbaugh can wipe his brow and let out a big "whew, that was a close one" and apply his 'beyond reproach' motto on Aldon Smith.

And to Culliver...

[kalibane]

How did we come to the conclusion that she was jilted again? I'm not making the connection.

[Hawktawk]

Its still interesting that the call to 911 said the woman was refusing to leave and yet it was EMT s who responded and transported her to the hospital. And its reported as a "suspicious incident". Gee we have a naked woman who is either blacked out drunk or drugged and remembers nothing except being given illegal drugs,Kaepernic undressing her and Lockette and Culliver peering in the room at her.And there was apparently a rape screen. I wonder what law enforcement might be suspicious of? HMM.

I share the general consensus its not going to amount to anything. The cops say its under investigation but they haven't even talked to any of the 3 players. LMAO nice investigation. Cops don't interview potential suspects if they don't want to be forced into charging them. Its like Rapist burgher raping that chick and being investigated by the cop who was posing with him for photos a couple of hours before. Good luck honey. Jameis Winston is being groomed by law enforcement to be the same kind of guy at a younger age.Oh well they can run and jump and catch and throw a football so its all cool....

[c_hawkbob]

How did we come to the conclusion that she was jilted again? I'm not making the connection.

Who said anything about a conclusion?

[kalibane]

Eagle says: "It's a non story as the article stated, and yes Bob she was jilted."

[Futureite]

As I told all of you, my gut was 100 percent right, as usual when this fact pattern presents itself.
Of course the evidence could have played out differently and I would have had to eat my words, and would have done so happily, but that was a 5 percent chance given my experience in this area.

Nuff said. Its a non story as the article itself said, and yes Bob she was jilted, which remains my theory of what happened.

Kap and Lockette may be thug wanna be's at the club but apparently they are also smart, at least Lockette was. Extremely smart.

The Bong thing is now in dispute as well. Why would L call the police if he were smoking pot? The police would have smelled the pot and possibly arrested him. So that is now not starting to add up either.

Good point. Lockette's been in the league a few seasons, so he of all people should know the league's stance on weed.

I'd say that although it's still questionable about how they were able to get themselves in this predicament in the first place, Kaep did nothing wrong and Lockette did the exact right thing by calling the cops about a naked woman passed out in his bedroom that had previously told him to 'get out.'. After all, it was his apartment, wasn't it?

Now Harbaugh can wipe his brow and let out a big "whew, that was a close one" and apply his 'beyond reproach' motto on Aldon Smith.

Totally off topic but why do some of you keep going back to the "beyond reproach" conment everytime one of our players is in trouble with the law?? That comment was made in regards to cheating and anyine that heard it knows it. To my knowledge a lawsuit has never helped coach win a football game. You keep trying to extend the meaning to some supposed moral highground that JH was referencing in terms of society in general, but the quote was made about cheating.Is this a continuation of the whole anti-Californian anti-49ers anti-49er you're all scumbags thing? I've yet to understand it.

I understood it with Raider fans. There's an obvious clash in culture between the bridges.

I understood it with the Rams. We norcalers hate most things Socal for many reasons, both social and political.

Understood it with the Cowboys. Those steer riding biblw thumpers hate the liberal fruits and nuts here and we feel the same about them.

Seattle? Uh, cannot yet find a reason to hate them with the same vigor. And I don't hate anything about the city of Seattle.

And yes, this obviously extends well beyond football. These teans haven't been good enough at the same time to stir a rivalry at this level.

[RiverDog]

Totally off topic but why do some of you keep going back to the "beyond reproach" conment everytime one of our players is in trouble with the law?? That comment was made in regards to cheating and anyine that heard it knows it. To my knowledge a lawsuit has never helped coach win a football game. You keep trying to extend the meaning to some supposed moral highground that JH was referencing in terms of society in general, but the quote was made about cheating.Is this a continuation of the whole anti-Californian anti-49ers anti-49er you're all scumbags thing? I've yet to understand it.

I understood it with Raider fans. There's an obvious clash in culture between the bridges.

I understood it with the Rams. We norcalers hate most things Socal for many reasons, both social and political.

Understood it with the Cowboys. Those steer riding biblw thumpers hate the liberal fruits and nuts here and we feel the same about them.

Seattle? Uh, cannot yet find a reason to hate them with the same vigor. And I don't hate anything about the city of Seattle.

And yes, this obviously extends well beyond football. These teans haven't been good enough at the same time to stir a rivalry at this level.

The exact quote from the sentence containing the 'beyond reproach' reference was as follows:

"We want to be above reproach in everything we do and do everything by the rules."

If Harbaugh intended that to mean a very narrow interpretation as only applying specifically to PED violations, he shouldn't have said "everything" and he should have limited the "rules" to exclude those league rules that govern off field conduct. Otherwise, people like us stupid Seahawk fans will assume that "everything" means "everything".

I'm not going to argue that Harbaugh intended his statement to be taken verbatim, but that just goes to show you what a stupid jerk the guy is to go in front of a microphone and start jacking his jaws about some other team's problems, especially those of an arch rival. He stuck his foot in his mouth by not being word-for-word correct and he gets what he deserves.

And by the way, it's not just us Seahawk fans that are rubbing Harbaugh's nose in that statement. It's commonly referred to in numerous blogs and columns nation wide.

[HumanCockroach]

If you can't understand why a fan base of a team that Harbaugh went OUT of his way to throw those innuendos at might have an issue with it considering where the Niners legal and judgement issues currently sit, than your pretty thick man ( and FYI it isn't just Seahawks fans raking him over the coals NUMEROUS radio stations, television stations and fan bases are doing the same).

When a player or coach goes out of his way ( especially one that NO ONE can stand other than his teams fans) to degrade another team, and then has his statements blown up by either his or his teams actions, he is going to reap the reaction by the majority of people. I mean, if Sherman came out UNPROVOKED and started lambasting or questioning the ability, or character of the Niners players, or their ENTIRE organisation would you still have trouble understanding? Something tells me you wouldn't.

Harbaugh by making those accusations, in the way he made them, created a situation that he was going to be judged by. Hence the reaction from the NATION not just Seattle fans. Pretty damn dumb.

[Eaglehawk]

Eagle says: "It's a non story as the article stated, and yes Bob she was jilted."

I did not say it was a conclusion. You only cut a portion of what I said to suit your inference.

Its my theory.


This was what I posted:

Its a non story as the article itself said, and yes Bob she was jilted, which remains my theory of what happened.

You don't have to make a connection Kalibane. Its what I think happened. Re-read what I have posted to find out why I felt that her being jilted could have set this entire thing off.

[kalibane]

I ready your entire post. You may have worded it poorly but you said she "WAS" jilted. Not "I think she was jilted".

World of difference.

[Eaglehawk]

I ready your entire post. You may have worded it poorly but you said she "WAS" jilted. Not "I think she was jilted".

World of difference.

Most people understood that as my point of view. Sorry if you didn't get it. Can't help you on that one.

[Futureite]

Totally off topic but why do some of you keep going back to the "beyond reproach" conment everytime one of our players is in trouble with the law?? That comment was made in regards to cheating and anyine that heard it knows it. To my knowledge a lawsuit has never helped coach win a football game. You keep trying to extend the meaning to some supposed moral highground that JH was referencing in terms of society in general, but the quote was made about cheating.Is this a continuation of the whole anti-Californian anti-49ers anti-49er you're all scumbags thing? I've yet to understand it.

I understood it with Raider fans. There's an obvious clash in culture between the bridges.

I understood it with the Rams. We norcalers hate most things Socal for many reasons, both social and political.

Understood it with the Cowboys. Those steer riding biblw thumpers hate the liberal fruits and nuts here and we feel the same about them.

Seattle? Uh, cannot yet find a reason to hate them with the same vigor. And I don't hate anything about the city of Seattle.

And yes, this obviously extends well beyond football. These teans haven't been good enough at the same time to stir a rivalry at this level.

The exact quote from the sentence containing the 'beyond reproach' reference was as follows:

"We want to be above reproach in everything we do and do everything by the rules."

If Harbaugh intended that to mean a very narrow interpretation as only applying specifically to PED violations, he shouldn't have said "everything" and he should have limited the "rules" to exclude those league rules that govern off field conduct. Otherwise, people like us stupid Seahawk fans will assume that "everything" means "everything".

I'm not going to argue that Harbaugh intended his statement to be taken verbatim, but that just goes to show you what a stupid jerk the guy is to go in front of a microphone and start jacking his jaws about some other team's problems, especially those of an arch rival. He stuck his foot in his mouth by not being word-for-word correct and he gets what he deserves.

And by the way, it's not just us Seahawk fans that are rubbing Harbaugh's nose in that statement. It's commonly referred to in numerous blogs and columns nation wide.

So what you are saying in effect is that Jim Harbaugh promoted Aldon Smith's behavior. That he hangs out and drinks with him. That he circumvents the law and the league mandates when 49er players get in trouble, and that he promotes this type of behavior. If you are not implying any of the above, then Jim Harbaugh is still "above reproach" even by the commonly held PNW definition.

You know as well as I do that JH was not claiming our boy scouts are better than Seattle's. A coach would be a fool to make such a claim in this day and age, because no matter how good you screen a player you never know what you are getting. Unless JH is promoting this stuff or accepting it - and he is doing neither - nobody can claim he's a hypocrite. For F's sake if the law ok's these guys, the league does not not suspend them, what code is he breaking by playing them? They are not nice enough fellows, and therefore JH has proved fallen on the same dagger he threw at Carroll?

Anyway, to me this just an extension of the weird regional rivalry that the PNW has with us. My theory is they hate Californians who moved up to buy real estate, drive up the value and the gang members who also migrated from LA. Even on our local radio there was a good ten min devoted to why you all have a different intensity level of hate for us than we do you. And no, I am not saying we are "above reproach" or any better. I am stating what I believe to be fact.

[kalibane]

Are you saying the Pete Carroll was handing out Adderall, handed the keys to Marshawn Lynch after a night of drinking, passed the Dutchie to the left hand side to Walter Thurmond?

Give it a rest Future. I'm not big on beating this drum personally, and really don't have a problem with Harbaugh trying to tweak his biggest rival but this is not a PNW or Seahawk fan thing. Columnists on NFL.com, ESPN.com, MMQB.com and CBS Sports have all made pointed references to Harbaugh's "above reproach" comments in the wake of these two latest incidents.

[c_hawkbob]

It's a Glass Houses (not just Billy Joel's best album) thing.

And not to throw kerosene on the fire but I loved finding an email in my mailbox this morning telling me the Niners have tabled Kap's contract negotiations till this Miami thing plays out

[HumanCockroach]

Yep, and that glass house was something people talked about when Harbaugh decided to throw the first stone. Now Future can't understand that comeuppance that people are throwing back???? Pretty thick.

[RiverDog]

[So what you are saying in effect is that Jim Harbaugh promoted Aldon Smith's behavior. That he hangs out and drinks with him. That he circumvents the law and the league mandates when 49er players get in trouble, and that he promotes this type of behavior. If you are not implying any of the above, then Jim Harbaugh is still "above reproach" even by the commonly held PNW definition.

You know as well as I do that JH was not claiming our boy scouts are better than Seattle's. A coach would be a fool to make such a claim in this day and age, because no matter how good you screen a player you never know what you are getting. Unless JH is promoting this stuff or accepting it - and he is doing neither - nobody can claim he's a hypocrite. For F's sake if the law ok's these guys, the league does not not suspend them, what code is he breaking by playing them? They are not nice enough fellows, and therefore JH has proved fallen on the same dagger he threw at Carroll?

Anyway, to me this just an extension of the weird regional rivalry that the PNW has with us. My theory is they hate Californians who moved up to buy real estate, drive up the value and the gang members who also migrated from LA. Even on our local radio there was a good ten min devoted to why you all have a different intensity level of hate for us than we do you. And no, I am not saying we are "above reproach" or any better. I am stating what I believe to be fact.

Jesus, Future, did you read my entire post or just cherry pick the lines that fit your argument? I specifically said that I did not believe Harbaugh intended his "beyond reproach in everything we do" remark to be taken word-for-word and applied in every situation. But he did say it, and said it with the intent of slinging some mud towards his arch rival and in the process, left the door wide open for critics around the nation to hold him to his words. They didn't have to twist them, put a spin on them, or add another context to them. All they had to do was read them back. And by the way, despite the fact that the "beyond reproach" line has been batted around by sports writers and guys like me for close to a year, I have never seen Harbaugh qualify his comments and being intended to be applied exclusively to the PED issue.

But I do agree with you that "only a fool" would make such a claim, as Harbaugh is indeed a fool and whether he intended to or not, did make such a claim. The longer Harbaugh keeps repeat violators like Smith on the roster, the more often he's going to hear the "beyond reproach" line read back to him, especially by the Seahawk fan base he insulted.

Oh, and by the way, I read an article just this morning, out of the San José Mercury, that was calling on Harbaugh to get rid of Smith, using the it's "WBWWD" motto, or What Bill Walsh Would Do. That's your local newspaper, not some rag from the PNW.

[Eaglehawk]

[So what you are saying in effect is that Jim Harbaugh promoted Aldon Smith's behavior. That he hangs out and drinks with him. That he circumvents the law and the league mandates when 49er players get in trouble, and that he promotes this type of behavior. If you are not implying any of the above, then Jim Harbaugh is still "above reproach" even by the commonly held PNW definition.

You know as well as I do that JH was not claiming our boy scouts are better than Seattle's. A coach would be a fool to make such a claim in this day and age, because no matter how good you screen a player you never know what you are getting. Unless JH is promoting this stuff or accepting it - and he is doing neither - nobody can claim he's a hypocrite. For F's sake if the law ok's these guys, the league does not not suspend them, what code is he breaking by playing them? They are not nice enough fellows, and therefore JH has proved fallen on the same dagger he threw at Carroll?

Anyway, to me this just an extension of the weird regional rivalry that the PNW has with us. My theory is they hate Californians who moved up to buy real estate, drive up the value and the gang members who also migrated from LA. Even on our local radio there was a good ten min devoted to why you all have a different intensity level of hate for us than we do you. And no, I am not saying we are "above reproach" or any better. I am stating what I believe to be fact.

Jesus, Future, did you read my entire post or just cherry pick the lines that fit your argument? I specifically said that I did not believe Harbaugh intended his "beyond reproach in everything we do" remark to be taken word-for-word and applied in every situation. But he did say it, and said it with the intent of slinging some mud towards his arch rival and in the process, left the door wide open for critics around the nation to hold him to his words. They didn't have to twist them, put a spin on them, or add another context to them. All they had to do was read them back. And by the way, despite the fact that the "beyond reproach" line has been batted around by sports writers and guys like me for close to a year, I have never seen Harbaugh qualify his comments and being intended to be applied exclusively to the PED issue.

But I do agree with you that "only a fool" would make such a claim, as Harbaugh is indeed a fool and whether he intended to or not, did make such a claim. The longer Harbaugh keeps repeat violators like Smith on the roster, the more often he's going to hear the "beyond reproach" line read back to him, especially by the Seahawk fan base he insulted.

Oh, and by the way, I read an article just this morning, out of the San José Mercury, that was calling on Harbaugh to get rid of Smith, using the it's "WBWWD" motto, or What Bill Walsh Would Do. That's your local newspaper, not some rag from the PNW.

The PI?

[HumanCockroach]

Color me surprised. Future calls Harbaugh a fool...

[Futureite]

[So what you are saying in effect is that Jim Harbaugh promoted Aldon Smith's behavior. That he hangs out and drinks with him. That he circumvents the law and the league mandates when 49er players get in trouble, and that he promotes this type of behavior. If you are not implying any of the above, then Jim Harbaugh is still "above reproach" even by the commonly held PNW definition.

You know as well as I do that JH was not claiming our boy scouts are better than Seattle's. A coach would be a fool to make such a claim in this day and age, because no matter how good you screen a player you never know what you are getting. Unless JH is promoting this stuff or accepting it - and he is doing neither - nobody can claim he's a hypocrite. For F's sake if the law ok's these guys, the league does not not suspend them, what code is he breaking by playing them? They are not nice enough fellows, and therefore JH has proved fallen on the same dagger he threw at Carroll?

Anyway, to me this just an extension of the weird regional rivalry that the PNW has with us. My theory is they hate Californians who moved up to buy real estate, drive up the value and the gang members who also migrated from LA. Even on our local radio there was a good ten min devoted to why you all have a different intensity level of hate for us than we do you. And no, I am not saying we are "above reproach" or any better. I am stating what I believe to be fact.

Jesus, Future, did you read my entire post or just cherry pick the lines that fit your argument? I specifically said that I did not believe Harbaugh intended his "beyond reproach in everything we do" remark to be taken word-for-word and applied in every situation. But he did say it, and said it with the intent of slinging some mud towards his arch rival and in the process, left the door wide open for critics around the nation to hold him to his words. They didn't have to twist them, put a spin on them, or add another context to them. All they had to do was read them back. And by the way, despite the fact that the "beyond reproach" line has been batted around by sports writers and guys like me for close to a year, I have never seen Harbaugh qualify his comments and being intended to be applied exclusively to the PED issue.

But I do agree with you that "only a fool" would make such a claim, as Harbaugh is indeed a fool and whether he intended to or not, did make such a claim. The longer Harbaugh keeps repeat violators like Smith on the roster, the more often he's going to hear the "beyond reproach" line read back to him, especially by the Seahawk fan base he insulted.

Oh, and by the way, I read an article just this morning, out of the San José Mercury, that was calling on Harbaugh to get rid of Smith, using the it's "WBWWD" motto, or What Bill Walsh Would Do. That's your local newspaper, not some rag from the PNW.

Fair enough. You make some good points. And I thought about it last night and began to see the other side. Maybe this how society is now though. I'm reading all the "rapist" comments on NFL.Com which of course are the newest of the "Crapperdick" "Hardouche" "Crapperlick" comments I've read on a steady basis. I feel like an idiot for even typing that. Lol like seriously, are these grown men or 9 yr olds? I guess I have either been oblivous to the intensley personal hate we're getting, or this is a new age blog way of trash talking. And no, it is not just from Hawk fans.

Anyhow, WWBWD? He's dead. I do know what Carroll would do if we dropped Aldon - and that would be to put him on the next plane to Seattle. Lol I already texted my friend about that scenerio. You keep Aldin at all costs until he proves that not only is he incapable of playing here, but incapable of playing anywhere else as well. If we cut him teams would be lining up to give him a 2nd chance.

[NorthHawk]

I'm not so sure Smith would end up in Seattle. If he did, it would probably be with a short leash as Seattle is more about team than individuals and if a starter isn't available because of personal problems, then he isn't much use to us. As well, taking that chance on him would mean giving up on some proven young player who IS committing to the team and is available. I also think other teams looking for a LB would offer more money than us and are more inclined to take a bigger risk. We don't have to do that.

[RiverDog]

Fair enough. You make some good points. And I thought about it last night and began to see the other side. Maybe this how society is now though. I'm reading all the "rapist" comments on NFL.Com which of course are the newest of the "Crapperdick" "Hardouche" "Crapperlick" comments I've read on a steady basis. I feel like an idiot for even typing that. Lol like seriously, are these grown men or 9 yr olds? I guess I have either been oblivous to the intensley personal hate we're getting, or this is a new age blog way of trash talking. And no, it is not just from Hawk fans.

Anyhow, WWBWD? He's dead. I do know what Carroll would do if we dropped Aldon - and that would be to put him on the next plane to Seattle. Lol I already texted my friend about that scenerio. You keep Aldin at all costs until he proves that not only is he incapable of playing here, but incapable of playing anywhere else as well. If we cut him teams would be lining up to give him a 2nd chance.

I didn't coin the "WWBWD" line. It was a quote taken from one of your local home town newspapers. If it's a phrase you don't like, then I suggest you compose an email to the reporter that wrote it (sorry, can't link articles right now).

For the right price, and if it came with plenty of strings attached, I'd welcome Aldon Smith onto our team. As long as we're not putting a lot at risk, trade off draft choices, pay him gobs of guaranteed money, etc, I don't mind giving someone like him a second chance. Sometimes all it takes is a change in the environment, a chance to hang out with a different group of guys, move to a different community, to turn a guy around. But as it is now, the current equation isn't working for Aldon Smith, and IMO the best thing for him would be to get traded to a different team and start over. If I were you guys, I'd be looking for a trading partner somewhere outside the division, and hopefully somewhere in the AFC, while I still had control of where he goes and while he's still worth something.

And for the record, I never said anything about Kaepernick's behavior in this latest scandal as being related to rape or even some other form of sexual misconduct, even stuck up for him by saying that I didn't think he did anything wrong, at least not in the legal sense and not from what I've read about it so far. I've limited my comments to the image thing, of being the "Face of the Franchise". IMO this is just one more example of the guy's immaturity.

[HumanCockroach]

Count me as one who isn't so sure "Carroll and the Cheaterhawks" would snap up Smith in a heart beat. At this point the assertion that Smith would last 1/2 a second on the market seems to be pure Niner speculation. For one Aldon has a TON of issues hanging over his head, and personally I simply don't see ANY team "gambling" that he isn't going to be in prison for this coming season, nor do I think any GM see's as someone that won't be punished and punished severely by the league in the coming couple seasons, add in the fact that he can't seem to straighten himself out, and there is a recipe for wasted time, money and effort in Aldon's case.

Don't misunderstand me, the guy has a ton of talent, but at some point that becomes worthless, and Aldon is quickly approaching that point.

Also, I'm not convinced Smith FITS with the Seahawks scheme, where does he play? LB? Leo? Seattle plays a hybrid 4/3 and I'm not sure that Smith is the hybrid player the Hawks covet. Add in that without J. Smith to grab a couple lineman Smiths ability vanishes.

SF is keeping Smith at this point because they really have no other viable option. He is due 3 million, they can't trade the man, because NO team is going to give up picks/players or the money for a player that more than likely won't play this season, and will be a FA after the year, if they cut him, they are STILL on the line for that 3 million, and have to PAY someone else ( though they will have to do the same anyway). Really a no win situation....

[RiverDog]

Count me as one who isn't so sure "Carroll and the Cheaterhawks" would snap up Smith in a heart beat. At this point the assertion that Smith would last 1/2 a second on the market seems to be pure Niner speculation. For one Aldon has a TON of issues hanging over his head, and personally I simply don't see ANY team "gambling" that he isn't going to be in prison for this coming season, nor do I think any GM see's as someone that won't be punished and punished severely by the league in the coming couple seasons, add in the fact that he can't seem to straighten himself out, and there is a recipe for wasted time, money and effort in Aldon's case.

Don't misunderstand me, the guy has a ton of talent, but at some point that becomes worthless, and Aldon is quickly approaching that point.

Also, I'm not convinced Smith FITS with the Seahawks scheme, where does he play? LB? Leo? Seattle plays a hybrid 4/3 and I'm not sure that Smith is the hybrid player the Hawks covet. Add in that without J. Smith to grab a couple lineman Smiths ability vanishes.

SF is keeping Smith at this point because they really have no other viable option. He is due 3 million, they can't trade the man, because NO team is going to give up picks/players or the money for a player that more than likely won't play this season, and will be a FA after the year, if they cut him, they are STILL on the line for that 3 million, and have to PAY someone else ( though they will have to do the same anyway). Really a no win situation....

Do you really think he's not going to play this season? How many season long suspensions have been issued recently and for what reasons? I remember Pac Man Jones getting suspended for a year, but his transgressions were far worse than Smith's.

[HumanCockroach]

Count me as one who isn't so sure "Carroll and the Cheaterhawks" would snap up Smith in a heart beat. At this point the assertion that Smith would last 1/2 a second on the market seems to be pure Niner speculation. For one Aldon has a TON of issues hanging over his head, and personally I simply don't see ANY team "gambling" that he isn't going to be in prison for this coming season, nor do I think any GM see's as someone that won't be punished and punished severely by the league in the coming couple seasons, add in the fact that he can't seem to straighten himself out, and there is a recipe for wasted time, money and effort in Aldon's case.

Don't misunderstand me, the guy has a ton of talent, but at some point that becomes worthless, and Aldon is quickly approaching that point.

Also, I'm not convinced Smith FITS with the Seahawks scheme, where does he play? LB? Leo? Seattle plays a hybrid 4/3 and I'm not sure that Smith is the hybrid player the Hawks covet. Add in that without J. Smith to grab a couple lineman Smiths ability vanishes.

SF is keeping Smith at this point because they really have no other viable option. He is due 3 million, they can't trade the man, because NO team is going to give up picks/players or the money for a player that more than likely won't play this season, and will be a FA after the year, if they cut him, they are STILL on the line for that 3 million, and have to PAY someone else ( though they will have to do the same anyway). Really a no win situation....

Do you really think he's not going to play this season? How many season long suspensions have been issued recently and for what reasons? I remember Pac Man Jones getting suspended for a year, but his transgressions were far worse than Smith's.

I really do not believe he is playing in 2014. It will either be jail time + suspension, or straight suspension. Plenty of players have received 1yr suspension ( most end up in prison, or appeal and have the time reduced, but there has actually been plenty of them handed out for a variety of reasons).

I am not alone in that belief, I suppose it can change should all three felony charges he is facing somehow get thrown out ( highly doubtful) or the league feels lenient about his TWO DUI's and illegal drug possession but by my count that is 3 felonies ( a fourth possible), two DUI's with illegal drug possession, in 3 seasons in the league. Jones had FAR less in a longer period of time at the time of his suspension ( by the way Jones didn't serve the full length of his).

Even IF he can play 6 or 8 games, is that worth picks, money? Hell no one even KNOWS if he'll be a free man come July, and the following year he's a free agent, I don't know a GM or coach that would make that move...

Edit: Here's a link, the info is kind of pointless ( though it is interesting they mention that a specific teams transgressions actually increasing a suspension, in Henry's case he was arrested twice in 14 months, and received 8 game suspension), and the end there is "notable" one year suspension ( there have been a heck of a lot more).

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId= ... rc=desktop

[RiverDog]

Count me as one who isn't so sure "Carroll and the Cheaterhawks" would snap up Smith in a heart beat. At this point the assertion that Smith would last 1/2 a second on the market seems to be pure Niner speculation. For one Aldon has a TON of issues hanging over his head, and personally I simply don't see ANY team "gambling" that he isn't going to be in prison for this coming season, nor do I think any GM see's as someone that won't be punished and punished severely by the league in the coming couple seasons, add in the fact that he can't seem to straighten himself out, and there is a recipe for wasted time, money and effort in Aldon's case.

Don't misunderstand me, the guy has a ton of talent, but at some point that becomes worthless, and Aldon is quickly approaching that point.

Also, I'm not convinced Smith FITS with the Seahawks scheme, where does he play? LB? Leo? Seattle plays a hybrid 4/3 and I'm not sure that Smith is the hybrid player the Hawks covet. Add in that without J. Smith to grab a couple lineman Smiths ability vanishes.

SF is keeping Smith at this point because they really have no other viable option. He is due 3 million, they can't trade the man, because NO team is going to give up picks/players or the money for a player that more than likely won't play this season, and will be a FA after the year, if they cut him, they are STILL on the line for that 3 million, and have to PAY someone else ( though they will have to do the same anyway). Really a no win situation....

Do you really think he's not going to play this season? How many season long suspensions have been issued recently and for what reasons? I remember Pac Man Jones getting suspended for a year, but his transgressions were far worse than Smith's.

I really do not believe he is playing in 2014. It will either be jail time + suspension, or straight suspension. Plenty of players have received 1yr suspension ( most end up in prison, or appeal and have the time reduced, but there has actually been plenty of them handed out for a variety of reasons).

I am not alone in that belief, I suppose it can change should all three felony charges he is facing somehow get thrown out ( highly doubtful) or the league feels lenient about his TWO DUI's and illegal drug possession but by my count that is 3 felonies ( a fourth possible), two DUI's with illegal drug possession, in 3 seasons in the league. Jones had FAR less in a longer period of time at the time of his suspension ( by the way Jones didn't serve the full length of his).

Even IF he can play 6 or 8 games, is that worth picks, money? Hell no one even KNOWS if he'll be a free man come July, and the following year he's a free agent, I don't know a GM or coach that would make that move...

Edit: Here's a link, the info is kind of pointless ( though it is interesting they mention that a specific teams transgressions actually increasing a suspension, in Henry's case he was arrested twice in 14 months, and received 8 game suspension), and the end there is "notable" one year suspension ( there have been a heck of a lot more).

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId= ... rc=desktop

Pac Man Jones was a bad dude, involved in an incident where one man ended up paralyzed, arrested 8 times in 14 months, interviewed by police 10 times in a year, etc. If I recall, there was an incident where he physically assaulted a stripper after he 'made it rain' by throwing up a bucket full of $20 bills. He was a complete low life. I'll admit that if left to his own devices, Smith is heading in that direction and that Goodell must come out with a strong statement and a long suspension, but I just don't see his transgressions, as bad as they are, as approaching those of Pac Man's. You're comparing a guy who's involvement had victims with a guy who's crimes had no victims.

IMO Smith probably falls somewhere in the range of what Chris Henry received in that article you posted, ie an 8 game suspension. I don't think Goodell is anxious to take on the union again by issuing a suspension that is later determined to be excessive. But we'll see. We do agree that some sort of discipline has to happen if Goodell is to remain credible.