Kaep under investigation for bad things

[HumanCockroach]

Good lord Bob, I am not the only one that saw an issue with this. The women doesn't know how she got there, are we to believe they hung around, but were just misplaced or something? Hell, no one even knows if they took her to the hospital, they certainly haven't been discussing it have they? Over a week later, and simply no statement or response to the whole thing by any of them. Dropping someone off and then bailing is about as close to being anonymous as you can get IMHO. I would assume that any investigation would include an interview of the staff and looking into who brought them in, but sure, my statement was over the top, I apologise for the word I chose.

I don't care if you're the "only one", you're the one that directed you derisiveness to me so you're the one I'm responding to. And again you're making assumptions, and all of them 'wort case' ... of course someone knows who took her to the hospital, it's just not information contained in that police report. Until more actual information is made public we don't know.

Besides, I'm not saying you're wrong; only that we don't know yet. There may well an issue (or several issues) with this story, certainly if she's not lying there is at least a drug issue. I have not said otherwise.

Simply don't see anywhere in my post where I was mocking or expressing contempt. I was honestly expressing my opinion on what is or isn't responsible, if you took that as a slight I apologise, and even followed that up with an apology for going over the top with the words I chose. Not sure where you got the idea I was mocking you, if that is responsible enough for you Bob, fine, it isn't enough for me, and I feel ok with that opinion.

[c_hawkbob]

The derision I perceived was actually more from the "good lord Bob" in your second post than anything in your first post. I wasn't even sure what single word from your first post you could have been apologizing for ... tell you what, I'm sorry too. It's evident that we're both misreading the intent of each other's posts. Let's just begin again;

We only know for sure what was in that report, and we only know that as the girl's admittedly sketchy account of things. Everything else is speculation.

[HumanCockroach]

Fair enough. Sure it's speculation, completely, though IMO they didn't do a very responsible anything in dealing with this situation, or at least it isn't what I would be proud of should any of the three be a son of mine. Kap isn't the only one in this situation that wasn't "responsible", all four bear some burden in this, and none of them acted responsibly IMO. It's good she got to the hospital and all, but I just don't see the fact that she got there as being responsible.

Cool with your feelings on it Bob, mine are just different is all...

[Hawktawk]

The guy went on twitter to rebut the allegations!!! I'm not sure who is advising him but i would guess they are tearing their hair out. This is STFU time for copernipples and the other two principals in this investigation. Bottom line this guy is a dunbass which we already knew.

[Eaglehawk]

Here is what happened:

Translation: Here is what I imagine happened

The bong was more than what she could handle. She was drunk and now high. Since it was Kap's sqeeze he came into the room to hit it, but he couldn't since she was passed out.
He left then Lockette checked up on her.

Wrong.
The report says, "the woman went to the bedroom to lie down, took off her jacket and jewelry, and was followed by Kaepernick, who began kissing her. He undressed her and left the room. They never had sex, she said. But before he returned, the woman told police, Patton and Lockette opened the door and “peeked” inside."

According to the report, you're not even close. Ignoring the wild speculation about how the bong hit affected her; She was still awake when Kaepernick left, he followed her in immediately, then got her undressed completely and left...your "this is what happened doesn't even begin to line up with what happened.

This is the part where they did not act like responsible men, someone, probably their friend took her to the hospital, dropped her off and left her.

When she woke up she was in the hospital and realized that the playa had just been played.

Unlike other ladies in her position she did not lie, and say she was raped by Kap. But actually told the truth, but in a way to get back at Kap and what he did to her, of course.

The way she figures, sexual assault has got to be worth some money to Kap. She's trying to get the last laugh. Unfortunately in many jurisdictions just based on the facts that I have read, she doesn't stand a chance.


This is the "game" folks. I have seen it all too often. Up close and personal.

Whoever made up that line "Hell hath no wrath such as a woman scorned" was a genius!

And I too will change my story if more facts come out, but based on what I have read, it happened exactly as I wrote it.

WOW!!! That is one heckuva lot of speculation! The fact that you open with the line "here's what happened", and end with what I bolded, makes the wild speculation stand out ever so much more.
I think you need to either ditch your source material, or else try re-reading it...you weren't even CLOSE to what was in the report. Your actual details of events were in fact...wrong.

No Monkey you are wrong.
My theory is my theory. It is to be read IN ADDITION to the facts. Because its my theory. And NO ONE ON THIS BOARD needs your permission to vet whether their point of view passes your little test. Its neither right nor wrong. Its what I think happened.
If you're too obtuse to get this well, I just can't help you .

And yes, I am not changing one WORD of what I said to make it fit with the facts, because I don't believe "facts" (as you do) written in police reports, because they are not facts Monkey they are NARRATIVES. Get your point of view straight, and then we can further discuss my theory. Learn a bit more to be a critical reader, and understand that the entire police report is HER version of what happened, more likely than not. Kap, Lockette et.al. likely lawyered up(if they had a brain)faster than you can say BOO. Even if it were not just her statement, I have read many police reports with a bunch of lies written throughout especially since the officers were not there when this happened, its all one sided. My point of view is that she was not a victim at all but she is playing the system with this story. Now you can disagree with me on that point all day long, no problem.

But the next time you try "translating" my statements, and calling my speculation WILD and WRONG, START WITH YOUR OWN beliefs as you see derived from this "report" Monkey. And then you will find out that due to your naïveté it is YOUR viewpoint that is wrong. After all, I'm the one that admits its a theory, you're still believing everything that you read as fact. Good for you bub. Just don't be condescending towards those who don't share your point of view because we might, just might have a bit more experience than you in this area.

[c_hawkbob]

I haven't said what my feelings are on the matter Roach, just cautioned against making too many assumptions on to little information.

If you want to know what I'm feeling, it's gleeful amusement at the fact that it's the Niners and that it's further complicating their QB situation and irritation with Lockett over hanging with Niners smoking pot (should that turn out to be the case).

[c_hawkbob]

The guy went on twitter to rebut the allegations!!! I'm not sure who is advising him but i would guess they are tearing their hair out. This is STFU time for copernipples and the other two principals in this investigation. Bottom line this guy is a dunbass which we already knew.

And this was my reply:

Go ahead Colin, set us straight ... instead of oblique denials, just tell us what really happened.

... no response yet.

[Hawktawk]

OK here's my take. We always hear how these women are gold diggers and out to take advantage of NFL stars for financial gain. IMO the reality is that these are people who are awed to be associated with NFL stars and are generally rudely awakened by boorish and illegal behavior before making a criminal complaint. They know their life is about to be dragged through the mud etc. But its amazing how many people including fans of a bitter rival seem to take an aw shucks lets wait and see attitude. I don't think this type of allegation is rarely ever made up entirely...

[Eaglehawk]

The guy went on twitter to rebut the allegations!!! I'm not sure who is advising him but i would guess they are tearing their hair out. This is STFU time for copernipples and the other two principals in this investigation. Bottom line this guy is a dunbass which we already knew.

What a freaking FOOL.

[HumanCockroach]

I haven't said what my feelings are on the matter Roach, just cautioned against making too many assumptions on to little information.

If you want to know what I'm feeling, it's gleeful amusement at the fact that it's the Niners and that it's further complicating their QB situation and irritation with Lockett over hanging with Niners smoking pot (should that turn out to be the case.

My bad, I thought the whole start of this was you saying they had been responsible by getting her to the hospital.

And yeah, I also am enjoying the disfunction currently revolving around a QB the Niners have to decide to pay 20 mil a year to or not in the very near future, the worry of the fan base, the power struggle within the FO etc makes for fantastic entertainment IMHO, at least we agree on that

[HumanCockroach]

The guy went on twitter to rebut the allegations!!! I'm not sure who is advising him but i would guess they are tearing their hair out. This is STFU time for copernipples and the other two principals in this investigation. Bottom line this guy is a dunbass which we already knew.

And this was my reply:

Go ahead Colin, set us straight ... instead of oblique denials, just tell us what really happened.

... no response yet.

How about now? LOL.

Just don't see the whole story coming out, well, ever, from all the participants. Was surprised to find out it was someone of some sort of fame that happened to be the "victim" ( just an obligatory term). Something tells me she doesn't fit your typical "gold digger" MO as she is already famous I guess ( though to be honest I have no idea who the hell she is)...

Guess this is the lady.... maybe?? According to a couple reports...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teyana_Taylor

[c_hawkbob]

OK here's my take. We always hear how these women are gold diggers and out to take advantage of NFL stars for financial gain. IMO the reality is that these are people who are awed to be associated with NFL stars and are generally rudely awakened by boorish and illegal behavior before making a criminal complaint. They know their life is about to be dragged through the mud etc. But its amazing how many people including fans of a bitter rival seem to take an aw shucks lets wait and see attitude. I don't think this type of allegation is rarely ever made up entirely...

There's nothing "aw shucks" about "wait and see". As soon as sufficient information comes forth (and I don't mean proof beyond a reasonable doubt, I've argued in depth that we as fans are not held to that standard) I'll form an appropriate opinion, just as I've done with Ben Rapistberger, Ray Murder, Aaron Hernandez and Ritchie Incognito. You don't have to jump to conclusions to be intolerant of this sort of foolishness.

[RiverDog]

The guy went on twitter to rebut the allegations!!! I'm not sure who is advising him but i would guess they are tearing their hair out. This is STFU time for copernipples and the other two principals in this investigation. Bottom line this guy is a dunbass which we already knew.

He went on Twitter but he didn't say anything except that the allegations were wrong and thanked his supporters. I'd like to hear his side of the story, not just a general denial.

[c_hawkbob]

I haven't said what my feelings are on the matter Roach, just cautioned against making too many assumptions on to little information.

If you want to know what I'm feeling, it's gleeful amusement at the fact that it's the Niners and that it's further complicating their QB situation and irritation with Lockett over hanging with Niners smoking pot (should that turn out to be the case.

My bad, I thought the whole start of this was you saying they had been responsible by getting her to the hospital.

That was just a "for all we know" example intentionally opposite the prevalent assumptions I was reading.

And yeah, I also am enjoying the disfunction currently revolving around a QB the Niners have to decide to pay 20 mil a year to or not in the very near future, the worry of the fan base, the power struggle within the FO etc makes for fantastic entertainment IMHO, at least we agree on that

I almost always do agree more than disagree with people with whom I'm arguing ... funny how that works

[HumanCockroach]

The guy went on twitter to rebut the allegations!!! I'm not sure who is advising him but i would guess they are tearing their hair out. This is STFU time for copernipples and the other two principals in this investigation. Bottom line this guy is a dunbass which we already knew.

He went on Twitter but he didn't say anything except that the allegations were wrong and thanked his supporters. I'd like to hear his side of the story, not just a general denial.

I've often wondered about this, is there automatically a gag order placed on someone who is a "suspect"? I mean I know there is when it comes to an indictment,but this isn't one....

Guess it's hard to "put myself in their position" because A) never would have been in the situation to begin with and B) I would have been lining up to tell my side of the story. Just don't understand why when a player gets in this situation, why if they are innocent as they always claim, why in the world wouldn't you simply offer an interview to a reporter you feel comfortable with to tell the truth or at the least your side of the story? Most people can accept a " I f'ld up, and this is what happened" statement, but obligatory "I'm innocent and have faith" statements simply don't inspire those reactions from society and never have.

[RiverDog]

The guy went on twitter to rebut the allegations!!! I'm not sure who is advising him but i would guess they are tearing their hair out. This is STFU time for copernipples and the other two principals in this investigation. Bottom line this guy is a dunbass which we already knew.

He went on Twitter but he didn't say anything except that the allegations were wrong and thanked his supporters. I'd like to hear his side of the story, not just a general denial.

I've often wondered about this, is there automatically a gag order placed on someone who is a "suspect"? I mean I know there is when it comes to an indictment,but this isn't one....

Guess it's hard to "put myself in their position" because A) never would have been in the situation to begin with and B) I would have been lining up to tell my side of the story. Just don't understand why when a player gets in this situation, why if they are innocent as they always claim, why in the world wouldn't you simply offer an interview to a reporter you feel comfortable with to tell the truth or at the least your side of the story? Most people can accept a " I f'ld up, and this is what happened" statement, but obligatory "I'm innocent and have faith" statements simply don't inspire those reactions from society and never have.

No. Not something automatic. What could be happening is that Kaepernick has received advice, or is acting on his own best judgment, not to say anything about this incident other than issue a general denial. It's a very smart move, even if he's completely innocent. You don't want to run the risk of slipping up and making some misstatement of fact that could raise suspicions. If I were Kaepernick, I'd be laying low and staying off Twitter altogether.

The woman was examined for possible rape. If those findings doesn't turn up any evidence of sexual assault, then this case goes nowhere. What it does do, or rather should do, is give the Niners pause for concern. At the very least, Kaepernick put himself in the position of having to deny a number of "bad things". Do you want to give this guy an $18-20M per year deal and the keys to your team for the next 6-8 years?

[Eaglehawk]

It is not advisable for potential suspects to say anything to the police or anyone else publicly or privately because any mistake might be used against him during a potential trial. Why make the prosecutor's case for them? Let the prosecutor make his own case. Even if the case is dropped, you STILL shouldn't talk about the case. Given the general nature of his statement, I feel that his lawyer might have approved the note. He probably needed to write something for the court of public opinion, the guy has endorsements to worry about not only the potential charges coming down the pike. Bottom line: many people believe that what they say to the police is not admissible unless written down, recorded on tape, or said to a prosecutor or judge. That is not true.(Please look this up for yourself to confirm and do not solely rely on my statement). To be on the safe side, Kap should assume that anything he says to anyone but his lawyer could be used against him at trial.

[RiverDog]

It is not advisable for potential suspects to say anything to the police or anyone else publicly or privately because any mistake might be used against him during a potential trial. Why make the prosecutor's case for them? Let the prosecutor make his own case. Even if the case is dropped, you STILL shouldn't talk about the case. Given the general nature of his statement, I feel that his lawyer might have approved the note. He probably needed to write something for the court of public opinion, the guy has endorsements to worry about not only the potential charges coming down the pike. Bottom line: many people believe that what they say to the police is not admissible unless written down, recorded on tape, or said to a prosecutor or judge. That is not true.(Please look this up for yourself to confirm and do not solely rely on my statement). To be on the safe side, Kap should assume that anything he says to anyone but his lawyer could be used against him at trial.

Although you are under no obligation to do so, IMO it's OK to give a statement to the police, but only answer the questions they ask. If it's a serious case with possible criminal implications such as there is in this one, I'd ask for a lawyer to be present during questioning.

Like we both said, it was wise for Kaepernick not to comment except to give a very general denial.

[Eaglehawk]

It is not advisable for potential suspects to say anything to the police or anyone else publicly or privately because any mistake might be used against him during a potential trial. Why make the prosecutor's case for them? Let the prosecutor make his own case. Even if the case is dropped, you STILL shouldn't talk about the case. Given the general nature of his statement, I feel that his lawyer might have approved the note. He probably needed to write something for the court of public opinion, the guy has endorsements to worry about not only the potential charges coming down the pike. Bottom line: many people believe that what they say to the police is not admissible unless written down, recorded on tape, or said to a prosecutor or judge. That is not true.(Please look this up for yourself to confirm and do not solely rely on my statement). To be on the safe side, Kap should assume that anything he says to anyone but his lawyer could be used against him at trial.

Although you are under no obligation to do so, IMO it's OK to give a statement to the police, but only answer the questions they ask. If it's a serious case with possible criminal implications such as there is in this one, I'd ask for a lawyer to be present during questioning.

Like we both said, it was wise for Kaepernick not to comment except to give a very general denial.

If he were to talk to the police he should do so in the presence of his attorney. Some states have criminal show cause hearings before they file charges, then the accuser and the person being charged can go to court and present information there.
Don't have a clue about Florida law in this regard. But as we agree Riv, any lawyer will tell him to stop talking after that Twitter denial.
Remember, they don't have a high standard to file charges, only probable cause. But when you have prosecutors that are fair, they will follow the law and not file if there is not enough evidence to file charges. (Applies to most of them IMOL). Let's see what happens.
There ARE ways to prevent charges from being filed in borderline cases, in my experience. Sometimes some maneuvering works, sometimes it doesn't. Most lawyers know what they are.

[HumanCockroach]

Eh, not something I will ever have to "use" in my life, but something is fundamentally wrong with the system if telling the truth when innocent places blame at someones feet ( if indeed he is innocent). If it was assault, I'm not sure anything Kaepernick does or doesn't say saves him, if the rape kit turns up negative, there isn't a whole lot a prosecuter can prove no matter what is said proving he assaulted her.

Whatever, it doesn't matter a whole lot to me one way or another.

[HumanCockroach]

Well, I guess how she got there is being reported, so at least that portion of it is "solved" ( players called police, and the fire department transported her), waiting on toxicology tests I guess. If something shows up that isn't a run of the mill drug ( like Marijuana) these guys could still be facing some serious sh!te.

[c_hawkbob]

Well, I guess how she got there is being reported, so at least that portion of it is "solved" ( players called police, and the fire department transported her), waiting on toxicology tests I guess. If something shows up that isn't a run of the mill drug ( like Marijuana) these guys could still be facing some serious sh!te.

Even more responsible than taking her to the ER themselves would have been. Also the most legally sound thing to do, even though it opens the door to those drug issues. If there'd been something seriously wrong with her and they hadn't ...

I still say the pot's gonna be what gets 'em in trouble with the commish if anything does.

[NorthHawk]

Would the cops look at the Condo as a possible crime scene?
If so, pot would probably be found - I hope that's all there is, and Lockette as the owner would end up wearing it should charges be laid re drugs.

[Futureite]

I haven't been here in a week or two and have only read a couple comments on this thread. I am sure sone people have jumped to conclusions. What we do know is that there was no sexual assault and Kap and/or the other two drove her to the hospital. Who knows what happened, but doesn't sound like anything illegal or even immoral occured.

But my issue is Kap's judgment. Why are you even in this position when you are nevotiating a $20+ mil contract? And why are you hanging around idiots who are smoking dope?

At this point I would seriously consider moving on without Kap. Yes, I believe we can win a SB with him, he is clutch x, y and z. But these type of things cannot occur from the leader of your team. I am beginning to believe we'd be better off going a different direction.

[HumanCockroach]

Well, I guess how she got there is being reported, so at least that portion of it is "solved" ( players called police, and the fire department transported her), waiting on toxicology tests I guess. If something shows up that isn't a run of the mill drug ( like Marijuana) these guys could still be facing some serious sh!te.

Even more responsible than taking her to the ER themselves would have been. Also the most legally sound thing to do, even though it opens the door to those drug issues. If there'd been something seriously wrong with her and they hadn't ...

I still say the pot's gonna be what gets 'em in trouble with the commish if anything does.

Hell, I don't know. Seems a little strange to me that there were illegal drugs being used in the apartment, yet no charges or anything else came of that. I only mean that I am not entirely sure they did the "more responsible" thing there in that situation, and to be fair I never think anyone will know. Something tells me there would have been more involved had the police showed up and illegal drugs were within site or being used than not. Wouldn't be surprised if they "cleaned" up a bit prior to contacting the police, which I personally don't think is more responsible.

Like I said, I really have no idea, for all any of us know, the lady was popping, smoking or shooting up other drugs before she ever showed up there, certainly a possibility. I agree it could have become worse had they not called, though I am not entirely sure what transpired before a call was made, so personally, I don't feel it really proves a more responsible decision.

Suppose no one will really ever know, unless some sort of charges are filed, which at this point I doubt.

[c_hawkbob]

The police are looking into it as a suspicious incident, gathering information and evidence. That can take a while (unlike an episode of CSI). When they think they've got all the facts they'll present the case to the prosecutors who will then decide what if any charges will be filed.

I'm not gonna guess either way yet whether they'll file or not..

[HumanCockroach]

The police are looking into it as a suspicious incident, gathering information and evidence. That can take a while (unlike an episode of CSI). When they think they've got all the facts they'll present the case to the prosecutors who will then decide what if any charges will be filed.

I'm not gonna guess either way yet whether they'll file or not..

I really was just referring to the drugs on the premises. What happened to the lady isn't relevant to that, and I am surprised that none of the three were arrested on the spot, had there been illegal drug use and possession obvious to the officers at the time of arriving, which leads me to the belief that they "cleaned up" prior to the call...

[monkey]

No Monkey you are wrong. [/color][/b]
My theory is my theory. It is to be read IN ADDITION to the facts. Because its my theory. And NO ONE ON THIS BOARD needs your permission to vet whether their point of view passes your little test. Its neither right nor wrong. Its what I think happened.
If you're too obtuse to get this well, I just can't help you .

And yes, I am not changing one WORD of what I said to make it fit with the facts, because I don't believe "facts" (as you do) written in police reports, because they are not facts Monkey they are NARRATIVES. Get your point of view straight, and then we can further discuss my theory. Learn a bit more to be a critical reader, and understand that the entire police report is HER version of what happened, more likely than not. Kap, Lockette et.al. likely lawyered up(if they had a brain)faster than you can say BOO. Even if it were not just her statement, I have read many police reports with a bunch of lies written throughout especially since the officers were not there when this happened, its all one sided. My point of view is that she was not a victim at all but she is playing the system with this story. Now you can disagree with me on that point all day long, no problem.

But the next time you try "translating" my statements, and calling my speculation WILD and WRONG, START WITH YOUR OWN beliefs as you see derived from this "report" Monkey. And then you will find out that due to your naïveté it is YOUR viewpoint that is wrong. After all, I'm the one that admits its a theory, you're still believing everything that you read as fact. Good for you bub. Just don't be condescending towards those who don't share your point of view because we might, just might have a bit more experience than you in this area.

Dude...I am trying so hard not to be mean and cruel here, because you've quite literally used and SHATTERED every single logic fallacy known to man in your last two posts, but when you type the words, "This is what happened", that is NOT the same as typing the words, "my theory is".
See the difference there?
It's a reallllly huge fracking difference dude.

By the way, you gave me a fit of laughter when you wrote the following; "I don't believe "facts" (as you do) written in police reports".
So thanks for the laugh...I mean I was already aware you don't believe in facts, but thanks for providing me with the laugh.

[monkey]

What we do know is that there was no sexual assault and Kap and/or the other two drove her to the hospital.

What's funny is, those are two things that we absolutely DON'T know. We DO NOT know whether or not Kaep or any of those guys actually drove her to the hospital...we know she got there somehow, but we have no idea how.
And until the results of the rape kit are made known, we also have no way of knowing whether or not sexual assault occurred. (Unless some new reports have come out that I am unaware since I went to work this morning....)


(quote="Futureite"But my issue is Kap's judgment. Why are you even in this position when you are nevotiating a $20+ mil contract? And why are you hanging around idiots who are smoking dope?

At this point I would seriously consider moving on without Kap. Yes, I believe we can win a SB with him, he is clutch x, y and z. But these type of things cannot occur from the leader of your team. I am beginning to believe we'd be better off going a different direction.[/quote]

You had me until the part I bolded...I see no evidence of him ever being "clutch".
I do, however, see evidence of just the opposite.

[HumanCockroach]

Well honestly we do "know" Kap and neither of the other two drove her to the hospital. That was the fire department. The players called the police, and the FD took her to the hospital. As for the sexual assault, I agree no one "knows" except the people directly involved and whomever administered and evaluated the rape kit. I personally doubt it, but that is why the investigation remains "open" not closed.

Personally I hope nothing comes of this, as much as many believe the greatness of Kap, he has been as Softy said, Seattles B!TCH ( 53 quarterback rating in last 4 games and a 1-3 record with a skin of your teeth victory at home)... His performances haven't been clutch or anything close to it, at least in those games....

[Futureite]

HC.

I am not surprised. Week 17 led us down the field on a last minute drive to beat Cards. Next week led us down the field on a last minute drive to beat Pack in playoffs. Week after that led us down the field at end of the Half to take the lead on Panthers on the road. Then of course there is the 2012 NFC Champ game. Other games I could list like the 4 TD road win at NE, etc but what's the point. You have entrenched yourself in your opinion and would probably explain away every single examole I provided one way or the other.

[Hawktawk]

I saw some photos that were apparently taken the morning after the incident showing Kap and his 9er teammate sitting outside. Kap is shirtless and looks baked and hung over. They are doing some sort of hand signals in the photo, whether its hook em horns, some gang stuff or something else entirely I don't know. But it doesn't look like they were too concerned about anything other than looking like a couple of thug gangstas, Kap more than his teammate.

The guy is a physical freak and scary to play against sometimes but hes just a not too bright tool and a horrible face of the franchise. I mean the guy does press conferences with a skater hat on backwards wearing a wife beater or T shirt and his beats hanging around his neck. But hes Hairballs handpicked boy and he wants 20 mil. Somewhere Alex Smith is snickering.

[monkey]

Well honestly we do "know" Kap and neither of the other two drove her to the hospital. That was the fire department. The players called the police, and the FD took her to the hospital.

That's new news to me, I hadn't seen that.

[curmudgeon]

Face of the franchise......
http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/10/colin-kae ... i-viceroy/

[HumanCockroach]

HC.

I am not surprised. Week 17 led us down the field on a last minute drive to beat Cards. Next week led us down the field on a last minute drive to beat Pack in playoffs. Week after that led us down the field at end of the Half to take the lead on Panthers on the road. Then of course there is the 2012 NFC Champ game. Other games I could list like the 4 TD road win at NE, etc but what's the point. You have entrenched yourself in your opinion and would probably explain away every single examole I provided one way or the other.

Read the words posted Future, I said in "those four games". I haven't "entrenched myself in anything. Great, he won a couple games in the regular season, and dug himself out of the hole he created against GB. Suppose my definition of "clutch" and yours are simply different, seems to me, with playoff games on the line, in a win or go home situation he hasn't excelled to date. You make the plays at the end of the game, or you don't, that to me is "clutch". ( think SB and NFC games for examples of being "not clutch") if you need examples. He MAY get there one day, but right now he hasn't gotten there in my HONEST opinion, and I wouldn't change that opinion if he was QB'ing for the Seahawks, Niners or Moonboys of the inter galactic league.

Currently, IMHO he is the new Micheal Vick ( Atlanta version), able to carry a team from time to time, but not the QB I want lining up behind center with SB's on the line. Believe otherwise, that's your right, and have little issue with it, but when looking at bias's it isn't I that is looking like they have one in this instance.

It always surprises me that a fan that was there to watch Montana, and Young play and win SB'S with actual clutch play continues to profess that Kaepernick currently displays those same traits. He doesn't ( at least not yet). If you can't tell the difference, not sure what games you have been watching.

[monkey]

Are those two clowns trying to throw up some gang sign?
Just gotta ask, because I can't tell for sure what kind of sign that is supposed to be, but they're both making the same sign, so they obviously know and are trying to convey some type of message to someone.

[monkey]

Colin Kaepernick is clutch.

[Zorn76]

I haven't been here in a week or two and have only read a couple comments on this thread. I am sure sone people have jumped to conclusions. What we do know is that there was no sexual assault and Kap and/or the other two drove her to the hospital. Who knows what happened, but doesn't sound like anything illegal or even immoral occured.

But my issue is Kap's judgment. Why are you even in this position when you are nevotiating a $20+ mil contract? And why are you hanging around idiots who are smoking dope?

At this point I would seriously consider moving on without Kap. Yes, I believe we can win a SB with him, he is clutch x, y and z. But these type of things cannot occur from the leader of your team. I am beginning to believe we'd be better off going a different direction.

While the judgement (on everybody's part) is weird on this one, what options do the 49ers have at QB? It ain't Blaine Gabbert, or anybody else on the roster, and there's nobody in FA or in the draft that's going to be able to step up and lead SF to the Super Bowl as well.

So, for as strange as this story is, the 49ers are really stuck with Kaepernick, for all intents and purposes. I'm not sure how much this will even affect the money he's looking to get. There's been nothing new to report on the story, so far, and CK isn't looking at any charges to begin with.

At the end of the day, I think CK is still signed long term and for the price range that's been speculated - 18 mil or so a season, for multiple years.

And, really, it's what's best for your team, IMO. SF is built to win a SB NOW. They don't have another option at quarterback that can take them there. Nobody. You'd literally need a HOF QB on a plane tomorrow for a legit shot, and that isn't happening.

I don't see CK as the douche that others do on here. I'm not big on his style at times, and do think his judgement was lacking in this particular case, but there's nothing otherwise to suggest that he is some bad dude overall off the field.

I think the 49ers still ink the guy do a new deal, and that he's really their best choice for where the franchise is at now, to get back to playing for a Lombardi. The window is only open so long. Starting over at QB is positively the last thing they can afford to do for the next 2 years or so, IMO.

[HumanCockroach]

Are those two clowns trying to throw up some gang sign?
Just gotta ask, because I can't tell for sure what kind of sign that is supposed to be, but they're both making the same sign, so they obviously know and are trying to convey some type of message to someone.

Looked it up, it appears to be a "SBP" ( South Beach Posse) gang sign ( though I can't be sure about that, or what his intent with it was, after all it's a hand sign and can mean a lot of different things, though it's convenient it is being flashed in Miami, and happens to be an area specific sign)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... 2518,d.b2I

Scroll to the bottom of the PDF.

[Zorn76]

Maybe he and Patton are just going over snap counts:)