Russell Wilson Trade Rumors Starting Already

[Hawktawk]

When the QB is completing 33% of his passes on 3rd down and the team is converting about that number it doesn’t matter if they exhume Bill Walsh . I’ve seen 15 plays this year at least where Russ either didn’t see or ignored open guys underneath to take deep shots . Some of them worked but a lot of those plays helped mediocre teams win helping create 8 losses . It’s always better with a run game . But for all his greatness Russ has been going off script for 10 years , pulling it down , running around launching improbably sideline and end line rainbows in tight windows . It’s worked a lot more than it hasn’t but it’s led to a record number of sacks first 9 years and by quite a bit . After the hit too much comments Paul Moyer analyzed the film and concluded Russ was at least partially responsible for almost half his 2020 sacks .

He’s hard to call plays for and hard to block for . Like I say it’s worked out but I think we are wasting our time trying to figure out the OC. Russ is gonna run around and launch deep balls . It’s what he does .

He is benched by fantasy shows on TV because next to Lambeau this is his house of horrors . If Russ and the team are proud men then should compete in the game . Russels head has seemed clearer, seeing the field better . But this is a test of whether we are gonna spend the next few years getting bullied by the Rams ..

[tarlhawk]

Well Tuesdays game is a test of our "ship" entering safe harbor as the pirates (Rams) seek to plunder us once more. Our two best corners are removed from us (Tre Flowers *season ending injury* and DJ Reed *covid protocols* but Sidney Jones IV has been playing well at LCB...who will be RCB? Perhaps "next man up" is Ugo Amadi. I'm not sure who got called up from the practice squad? ...was it Adrian Peterson?

[Hawktawk]

Its a must have. Its not likely gonna get us anywhere but this is a team that has basically owned us the last couple years. Had not Jarred Goff make numerous unforced errors they would have beat us 3 times last year. Russell is truly bothered by this team and Stafford isn't Goff. Probably no Tyler Lockett who is Russel's go to guy, his security blanket. Its really going to be hard. I wouldnt bet a nickel in Vegas

[NorthHawk]

"well known"? that Pete's "pared back playbook" ...somehow produced monster seasons for BOTH our WR playmakers?? The evidence of a vanilla flavored offense aren't well supported by your "well known" claim.

Then you must be either willfully avoiding what went on last year or not getting all the info you need to understand what happened. We talked about it here for weeks if not months and it was reported on many news
feeds and articles about how Pete stepped in and said we are going to do things my way. Russell just wasn't the same after that last year. Some of us thought it might be injury, but he lost a lof of enthusiasm.

With Adams they had to use him as a pass rusher (1st half of the year, not 2nd half) because they couldn't get any pressure up front and were on an NFL record pace for giving up yards. One of the worst Defenses in the history of the NFL.
And it's all because of poor drafting and developing of talent. As well, after a year with Adams, Pete said earlier this year they were "still figuring out how to use him". What kind of a FO trades away 2
first round picks, a 3rd round pick, a starting S for a 4th round pick and doesn't know how to use him? As well, they knew he was demanding big money, but they didn't have a framework of a contract
laid out before the trade. That trade alone and the incompetence displayed should be a fireable offense. And outside of his pass rush which teams seem to have figured out this year, he has shown to be an average
at best Safety with not great ball skills who is prone to injury.

[Hawktawk]

A couple of interesting developments today . First was news that the giants have told Joe judge and Daniel Jones they will be back next year . Also now being reported by numerous outlets that there is little to no interest in extending Wilson and that a trade is a very real possibility . If all this is not writers selling copy maybe cross the Giants off the list .

[curmudgeon]

NO seems logical. Offensive minded coach who had success with a diminutive QB….

[Hawktawk]

NO seems logical. Offensive minded coach who had success with a diminutive QB….

It would make the most sense for Russell. An offensive genius who as you say can win with a short guy . Hopefully Russ can be good Russ the rest of the way so he retains top value if he’s leaving . And if he leaves everyone’s leaving except maybe JS

[RiverDog]

More trade rumors. This one has Russell going to the Saints, one of the 4 teams that were on his list after last season's face plant:

The latest from the rumor mill is a scenario floated by Bill Barnwell at ESPN, who came up with an interesting hypothetical trade that would send Wilson to the New Orleans Saints

“New Orleans will send first- and third-round picks in 2022 and 2023 and slot cornerback C.J. Gardner-Johnson to the Seahawks for Wilson. The Seahawks would also get a conditional second-round pick in 2024 if Wilson leads the Saints to a Super Bowl before then.”

Barnwell then has Wilson signing a four-year, $160 million extension with New Orleans and Seattle trading a 2023 second-round pick to the Las Vegas Raiders for quarterback Derek Carr.

https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2021/ ... -scenario/

I'm not sure that Derek Carr would be my first choice of starting QB's to bring in, but for a 2nd rounder, I could swallow it.

And before anyone starts saying "Oh, that's just some sportswriter looking for a story", you might as well get used to them as they're going to keep popping up until something happens.

[NorthHawk]

Not enough for Wilson.
What did we give up for a Safety?
No way 2 late round 1sts and a player would cut it.
I don’t see a trade with NO working unless we pillaged their OL, too
by taking young starters plus the DB mentioned.

[I-5]

That Saints package sounds like a joke for a QB of Wilson’s calibre and age, considering what the Jets got for a box safety.

[NorthHawk]

That Saints package sounds like a joke for a QB of Wilson’s calibre and age, considering what the Jets got for a box safety.

The best package for draft picks is probably from the Giants, but if they want players in return other teams might
have some options that could work (Draft picks and player combo).

[c_hawkbob]

To be clear that ain't a "Saints package" that's a "some Joe on the internet wet dream" package.

[RiverDog]

To be clear that ain't a "Saints package" that's a "some Joe on the internet wet dream" package.

A wet dream? I can't speak for anyone else in here, but I don't wake up wet after I've been dreaming about sports.

[c_hawkbob]

A wet dream? I can't speak for anyone else in here, but I don't wake up wet after I've been dreaming about sports.

Which is why you don't have your own internet sports blog.

[Hawktawk]

The Giants reportedly deciding to bring Jones back after being the hottest rumored landing spot looks like a decision they made after looking at what’s out there . Maybe they never had interest . I’ll be curious to see what actually develops . Russ needs to finish strong to command strong interest . If he keeps up this in inconsistent play it might be buyer beware .

[NorthHawk]

That the Giants decided to keep Jones doesn't preclude an upgrade at QB. The fans are all over Mara and there is pressure to improve,
so a trade there is one of the more realistic scenarios should there be a parting from the Seahawks. There is talk that Gettleman is on
the way out, too so a new GM might want to make a splash upon taking over the reins.

[RiverDog]

That the Giants decided to keep Jones doesn't preclude an upgrade at QB. The fans are all over Mara and there is pressure to improve,
so a trade there is one of the more realistic scenarios should there be a parting from the Seahawks. There is talk that Gettleman is on
the way out, too so a new GM might want to make a splash upon taking over the reins.

I agree with North Hawk. What the Giants say about their QB situation is next to meaningless. It could be just a smoke screen to cover their true intentions. By making potential sellers think that they're not in the market drives down the asking price and faking an interest could drive it up for a competitor.

[tarlhawk]

Its my opinion and mine alone at times it seems...but Russell Wilson is seeing life itself a little outside of the sports world and the success it has been for him. Some comments he made his post game conference almost seemed telling.

and that's going to be tomorrow morning when we wake up -- God willing, we wake up and tomorrow morning we get to do it and focus on that, and I think it's the only way to get better.

I think my dad up in heaven, man, no matter what, he is always smiling down. Whatever else is going around in anybody else's thinking or whatever, and so many people have so many things in their life they're going through, and the thing for me is always stay focused on joy

I made this post earlier but I think its still right with some mild editing...

Russ's biggest loss has been when his confidence wains ...losing can be so very draining and no one bears blame as much as a QB which is why he needs a P/U from PC but PC's own frustration has come out in subtle negative comments (subtle to most...but clear to Russ).

He tries to be upbeat in press conferences...and this comes across as not accepting blame...but he beats up himself internally more than displayed by his subdued yet upbeat messaging. All his main confidence boosters...winning culture...great fan base...and budding team mate friendships...have been strained by his injury/pride of having his iron man rep lost this season...the severely damaging loss of his life coach (Sep 17, 2021 · Trevor Moawad, who was Wilson's longtime mental-conditioning coach, business partner and "best friend," died from cancer this week at age 48. Heaven just got better. I love you ) *right before the Titan's game* We pass it off as Russell having suffered loss before and seemed resilient...but Russ is a bit older and perhaps leaned a lot more on this "coach" than revealed. The injury just compounded a life still healing with time...and the reality of life grounded him with its sudden complications.

I think his confidence level is betrayed by his forced smiles...but I really feel his confidence level is KEY to his on-field focus and sense of timing...the interceptions have strained his relationship with PC...and his lack of focus has strained his relationship with DK...losing Tyler to covid took away his safety valve when he needed him most (let alone any personal concern of Tyler having symptoms). A very challenging year which will test RW's mettle . We sometimes gloss over our very human nature...while keeping up our own persona even when its faltering.

We all sometimes see sports as an escape to a place where any team (and we hope especially our own) can win with huge effort on display and while caught up in the moment of distraction we forget life going on in real time. We forget what loss of life feels like...we are able to be distracted from the impact Covid is having world-wide as well as here in the cities we live in. I had played an on-line game with world wide players and some of them have had their lives turned upside down by this pandemic. Is it impossible to think a highly paid sports entertainer is suddenly feeling insecure in his personal life by the sobering thoughts of tragic life complications?

[Hawktawk]

I agree on the confidence . It explains third down . Performance in big games . But I’m not sure it explains the bad misses on pitch and catch throws

[NorthHawk]

I just think his heart hasn’t been in it since part way through last year.
It’s just a feeling I have by his demeanor and it was followed by his list
of teams he would be willing to be traded to.

[RiverDog]

Russell has never gone through a season quite like this one. He's never experienced a losing season in 10 years with us, and when he was at Wisconsin, they were Big 10 champs and went to the Rose Bowl. In his junior year at NC State, the team went 9-4 and won their bowl game. You have to go all the way back to his sophomore year in college to find a losing team that he played on.

This must be a pretty humbling experience for a man who is constantly upbeat and full of catchy cliches that lives in a fish bowl where he's had to spend the majority of his adult life in.

[TriCitySam]

I don't quite get those who felt Pete's "pared back" playbook last year was a bad thing. We had been losing, and won out after the Giants game. In those final games, we ran the ball 47% of the time. That would have put us 7th in the R/P category. Ravens, Patriots, Saints, Vikings, Browns among those who ran more - an put us about even with GB. In retrospect, seems like a good decision by Pete......and if in fact that made Russ "lose his enthusiasm", what does that say about Wilson? He says he only cares about winning....and they won out after having lost 4 of 7. So does did he care about "let Russ cook" or winning?

[Hawktawk]

Russell has never gone through a season quite like this one. He's never experienced a losing season in 10 years with us, and when he was at Wisconsin, they were Big 10 champs and went to the Rose Bowl. In his junior year at NC State, the team went 9-4 and won their bowl game. You have to go all the way back to his sophomore year in college to find a losing team that he played on.

This must be a pretty humbling experience for a man who is constantly upbeat and full of catchy cliches that lives in a fish bowl where he's had to spend the majority of his adult life in.

Hes not acting very humbled when hes refusing to admit the huge sack was a bad play but quite the contrary and making the comments directly after PC had said you cant take a sack there "that ball has to sail out of the endzone". I gotta get the coaches to remind him there"!!!!!!!Is Russ really that unaware of situational football after 10 seasons!!!!!??? Duane Brown got nailed with a sack on the play and fist punched the air because like much of the time he had done his job and Russ ran right into the sack.
It would be interesting to hear what some of the players really think . Other than a little tweet by DK complimenting Genos pass for a TD and Genos quickly deleted post about needing to vent its been a pretty tight ship. At least its not Mayfield where defenders were tweeting about him during the game. WFT had punches thrown on the sidelines. But its bad when we lost to that team that gave up 50 in the first half. Listening to PCs interview today he was so circular, so full of mealy mouth mush talking about the finger. "Russ said hes fine, blah blah blah, repeated the Wilson hero narrative about how fast he came back, went through the whole Geno did a great job in his last start, but ultimately said he would not do anything different. Maddening
Of the negative things that have happened in the last 10 years this sideshow over the hand to enhance Russell's celebrity at the expense of the season is just super annoying.

[Hawktawk]

I don't quite get those who felt Pete's "pared back" playbook last year was a bad thing. We had been losing, and won out after the Giants game. In those final games, we ran the ball 47% of the time. That would have put us 7th in the R/P category. Ravens, Patriots, Saints, Vikings, Browns among those who ran more - an put us about even with GB. In retrospect, seems like a good decision by Pete......and if in fact that made Russ "lose his enthusiasm", what does that say about Wilson? He says he only cares about winning....and they won out after having lost 4 of 7. So does did he care about "let Russ cook" or winning?

Agreed. Then he went 11-29 in the playoff with a pick 6.

[trents]

He tries to be upbeat in press conferences...and this comes across as not accepting blame...but he beats up himself internally more than displayed by his subdued yet upbeat messaging. All his main confidence boosters...winning culture...great fan base...and budding team mate friendships...have been strained by his injury/pride of having his iron man rep lost this season...the severely damaging loss of his life coach (Sep 17, 2021 · Trevor Moawad, who was Wilson's longtime mental-conditioning coach, business partner and "best friend," died from cancer this week at age 48. Heaven just got better. I love you ) *right before the Titan's game* We pass it off as Russell having suffered loss before and seemed resilient...but Russ is a bit older and perhaps leaned a lot more on this "coach" than revealed. The injury just compounded a life still healing with time...and the reality of life grounded him with its sudden complications . . .

I appreciate that perspective. It's like Russ is going through the motions of how he has always operated without experiencing the boost it used to give. He's in uncharted personal territory as an athlete and a person and is needing to discover a new footing - a new Russ that can be effective again.

We all sometimes see sports as an escape to a place where any team (and we hope especially our own) can win with huge effort on display and while caught up in the moment of distraction we forget life going on in real time.

We become professional athletes vicariously as we identify with our sports heroes and our teams. And when they let us down we suffer along with them.

[RiverDog]

I don't quite get those who felt Pete's "pared back" playbook last year was a bad thing. We had been losing, and won out after the Giants game. In those final games, we ran the ball 47% of the time. That would have put us 7th in the R/P category. Ravens, Patriots, Saints, Vikings, Browns among those who ran more - an put us about even with GB. In retrospect, seems like a good decision by Pete......and if in fact that made Russ "lose his enthusiasm", what does that say about Wilson? He says he only cares about winning....and they won out after having lost 4 of 7. So does did he care about "let Russ cook" or winning?

We had not been losing.

The 'paring back' supposedly came after a 37-34 loss to the Cards in OT. We came into the game undefeated at 5-0. Russell threw 3 interceptions, which is what Pete is said to have reacted to. In the following game, a convincing 10 point win over the Niners, Russell still threw 37 times while we ran on just 28 plays, or about 57% of the time, so if there was a paring back, it wasn't very obvious.

[TriCitySam]

We had not been losing.

The 'paring back' supposedly came after a 37-34 loss to the Cards in OT. We came into the game undefeated at 5-0. Russell threw 3 interceptions, which is what Pete is said to have reacted to. In the following game, a convincing 10 point win over the Niners, Russell still threw 37 times while we ran on just 28 plays, or about 57% of the time, so if there was a paring back, it wasn't very obvious.

That could be....but it doesn't make sense to me. First, why would Pete make a change after a 5-0 start and just one loss? Second, when you look at the R/P ratio, it was ranging in the 37% range - when it made the jump was AFTER the Giants game (a 34% R/P ratio). That's when I heard Pete was paring back the passing game, and the numbers back it up.

[RiverDog]

We had not been losing.

The 'paring back' supposedly came after a 37-34 loss to the Cards in OT. We came into the game undefeated at 5-0. Russell threw 3 interceptions, which is what Pete is said to have reacted to. In the following game, a convincing 10 point win over the Niners, Russell still threw 37 times while we ran on just 28 plays, or about 57% of the time, so if there was a paring back, it wasn't very obvious.

That could be....but it doesn't make sense to me. First, why would Pete make a change after a 5-0 start and just one loss? Second, when you look at the R/P ratio, it was ranging in the 37% range - when it made the jump was AFTER the Giants game (a 34% R/P ratio). That's when I heard Pete was paring back the passing game, and the numbers back it up.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either, which is why I said 'supposedly'. Maybe that's when Pete's thought process started to change.

We really need North Hawk to weigh in as he has a little more insight into this discussion than I have.

[Hawktawk]

It doesn't matter who the OC is if the QB isn't making the right reads or unable to hit wide open receivers. Weve had 3 OCs now and Russell's game has really never changed other than its gotten more and more prolific till midway through his 9th season. Half rat ball, half in the pocket, timely runs. Organized chaos.

PC was very upset about the brutal 3 pick loss to AZ where we never trailed till we lost in overtime but DKs amazing hawk down of Baker saved 7. There were reportedly some fireworks and demands by PC to change the offense after that .

Somewhere in there was the Bills game where we were physically mauled and Russ was hit hard. There is speculation he was concussed in the game or was hiding some other injury leading to his extreme drop-off in production .From AZ 1 till season end in the brutal playoff loss he averaged an interception per game, a total of 11. He threw 12 TDs in that span after playing at the highest level of his career weeks earlier. Truly baffling.

He and his team apparently demanded more input into game plans in the days prior to the second AZ game which we won but they were rebuffed. All of it led to the petulant offseason whining , leaking trade partners etc.

In hindsight they should have done it. Its a brutal lost season. Russ has had a significant injury to the hand that's causing questions about whether it will every be quite the same. His play has been bad. Whatever draft capital he commands, players its surely declined since the offseason.