Which of PC/JS's Trades Was The Worst?

[RiverDog]

We haven't ran a poll in here for awhile, and I read an article that poses an interesting question. Of our three busts of a trade, which one was the worst: Percy Harvin, Jimmy Graham, or Jamal Adams?

I would encourage you to read the article before voting as there's a pretty good discussion on the pros and cons of all three.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1541246/ ... in-graham/

[NorthHawk]

The Graham trade was bad in that they didn’t have a viable Center waiting to take over from Unger,
and still don’t but we gave up so much draft capital for at best a small upgrade at Safety for Adams, that I think
it’s close to approaching the Herschel Walker level of bad trades.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm leaning towards Harvin.

Jamal at least plays hard and is pro-team. I don't blame him for what we spent on draft capital at all. Jamal is a great player who gives his all.

Graham was a soft blocker, but we knew that before we traded for him. He looks at himself as a receiver.

Percy was an all around team cancer and selfish player. So I'm going with Harvin by a country mile. We got nothing but a kick return TD in a Super Bowl we had won in the first quarter. If Percy weren't here, we would have still won the Super Bowl running away. Percy was the least return on investment and a terrible trade for a terrible person.

[tarlhawk]

Jimmy Grahm by far...he never really became a true red zone target...he caused RW to force in a few throws. He cost his two O-Linemen (one directly-Max Unger and the other indirectly-Germain Ifedi) Ifedi was harangued forever for holding/false starts a lot of pressure from the RT "strong side" of the O-Line because you normally have an in-line blocking TE at least part of the time...but Grahm was more of an Outside receiver who your RT was lucky if he even chipped an elbow before heading up field on his route.

So basically your LT is expected to go one on one in pass pro and is highest paid on the O-Line. Your RT isn't supposed (to be abandoned almost by the TE) ...stuck one on one so much our opponents started switching their best pass rusher on Ifedi's side. Jimmy Grahm also because of no real in-line blocking for running plays was a handicap to our "strong side" running...which hurt RB Christian Michael. Grahm's best effort during the run game was the hope he could draw the SS away in coverage.

[RiverDog]

I was on record early as being 4 square against the Harvin trade based solely on his red flags. I remembered when Harvin when in Minnesota and chased his head coach, Leslie Frazier, down the sidelines in the middle of a game to read him the riot act on his opinion as to who should be playing quarterback. There was no way that Pete Carroll was ever going to tame that A-hole. Had it not been for the personality, I was OK with such a risk as at the time, we were a player or two away from the Super Bowl.

But I voted for Jimmy Graham. He was a soft tight end, a horrible blocker, and a bad fit for a run first team, and as one of the guys in the linked article said, was completely out of character with our smash mouth team in that he was a finesse player. But my biggest problem is that we traded away a Pro Bowl center without a viable replacement, which just goes to show you how little value Pete Carroll places in the offensive line.

The reason I didn't consider the Adams trade is that at least to a small degree, the jury is still out. If he returns next season, wins the DPOY, and leads us to a Lombardi, we'd have to take him off the list.

[RiverDog]

Percy was an all around team cancer and selfish player. So I'm going with Harvin by a country mile. We got nothing but a kick return TD in a Super Bowl we had won in the first quarter. If Percy weren't here, we would have still won the Super Bowl running away. Percy was the least return on investment and a terrible trade for a terrible person.

A lot of people try to justify that trade by citing his kickoff return to start the 2nd half of the Super Bowl, but he did absolutely nothing to help us get there, had gotten into a fight with Golden Tate the night before, and nearly destroyed the team the following season by his insubordination against his coaches. At least Pete had the balls to cut bait with him in the middle of the season or else there was no way we would have gotten back to the Super Bowl with him on the squad.

And like you said, we won the game when Malcom Smith returned an interception for a TD to make it 19-0. Harvin's kickoff took our win probability from 90% to 95%. Unless Harvin would have fumbled that kickoff and the Broncos had a scoop and score, there was no way we were going to lose that game.

[Hawktawk]

Adams by a mile. Injuries can’t be accounted for but he’s basically an undersized LB or an oversized safety that can’t cover or catch . I see the other 2 guys quite a bit different than most here . My second worst is Graham. He was who he was . He doesn’t block and he wants to be fed lots of balls . He’s wasted on Wilson who spreads it around and also not an asset for the run game . Still he put up some numbers and was effective . In my estimation Harvin was a master stroke as a FA. If your goal is to win it all he was a great trade . Injured all year but then made a couple of huge plays in the Vikings game to keep pace for HFA. Injured again till the playoff game vs NO where he made a couple plays before getting concussed on a PF ball in the end zone . The 15 yard penalty led to a Seahawks score in a close win. Out for the NFC title game …………….
But then that super bowl. The naysayers talk about a kick return in a 22-0 game . But I remember the jet sweeps . In the first drive he gained a huge first down in a scoring drive . He had another one for over 10 yards. He was the leading rusher with 41 yards on 2 carries. He also had a sick one handed catch for about 8 yards as I recall.
But let’s talk about the house call. It’s 22-0 against the most prolific offense in history . 3 score game with 30 min to play. Denver hit a perfect pooch kick. As athletic and quick as Harvin is it landed in front of him and popped 15 feet in the air. 3 defenders were steaming down on him. Harvin leaped in the air and high pointed the ball as it was falling down. He split
3 defenders and housed it . Look at Payton’s face in the sidelines if you don’t believe Harvin wasn’t a factor
.

[NorthHawk]

The reason I didn't select Harvin was he was one guy on a team of strong leaders, so although disruptive and a cancer, he also added something quite different
to the team. Adams doesn't add much of anything and is probably the 2nd best S on the Seahawks.

Graham offered us a lot of potential, but like all things in Pete Ball he had to conform to Pete's Offensive philosophy which is to become a complete TE. Graham
wasn't, isn't and will never be that but for years Pete demanded it and never took advantage of what made Graham special. It's another case of trading for a
player and not knowing how to use him properly.

Adams doesn't add much of anything and is probably the 2nd best S on the Seahawks. Not good enough when giving up a starting player at the same position,
2 first round picks, a 3rd round pick, for him and a 4th in the 2022 draft. Sure, he had one year where he was the leading sacker on the team, but that's not
sustainable and shows how bad our DL was to be forced to use him that way. It wouldn't surprise me with the injuries he seems to get every year that he will
be retired in 3 or 4 years. Horrible, horrible trade.

[tarlhawk]

Jamal Adams...2 times Pro Bowl 2018, 2019 First-team All-Pro 2019...his skills are abundant...his efforts this year were headed in the right direction.

Kam Chancellor wasn't known for his coverage skills but his fear intimidation often made receivers "drop" the ball as he approached "for the hit". If the Jets had traded us the same value in draft picks for a 3rd year Chancellor...would we be so approving of the deal thinking we had fleeced the NYJ ??

Some players have impacts not revealed in stats alone. Like B. Wagner...J. Adams is an inspiring leader on the field and in the locker room. His game preparation and high energy help set an example for our younger players on defense. If his team mates griped openly about his contract...these days its easy to express yourself via social media...that would be one thing...but many times his own team mates speak glowingly about how he inspires them via his emotions and energy he gives on the field. Four of our highest paid players are also our strongest leaders in the clubhouse and on the field...R.Wilson/B.Wagner/J.Adams/D. Brown.

As a pass rush "disruptor" you can't compare the two seasons because this year has not only been fewer snaps as a pass rusher...but his starting point is not his "bread and butter" from being on the line of scrimmage (where his explosive jump off the hike from the opposing center is akin to DE Michael Bennett at his best). Often this year he has started in LB range of the line of scrimmage..."faking underneath coverage"...before rushing into an offensive scheme by the opponent that has regained the advantage...the bursts from both starting distances are not comparable to having the same impact.

Seattle had talked in pre-season of utilizing a "Heavy Nickel" package/scheme using Diggs as FS but rotating roles of Adams/Blair as Pass Rusher/Coverage or using all three in coverage since all three hit like a LB for run defense...but Blair and now Adams are both re-injured.

[NorthHawk]

Jamal Adams has average at best ball skills. He may have been to the Pro Bowl 2 times, but as Pete said he still doesn't know how to use him.
So as it stands he's just an average at best Safety in our system who can't cover very well and has a massive ego. Enthusiastic? Big time.
A leader? I'm not so sure.
Poor trade. The worst one in Seahawks history.

[RiverDog]

The reason I didn't select Harvin was he was one guy on a team of strong leaders, so although disruptive and a cancer, he also added something quite different to the team.

That's why I didn't list Harvin, either, because at least their X's and O's logic was sound. That's not something that can be said of either the Graham or Adams trades.

Graham offered us a lot of potential, but like all things in Pete Ball he had to conform to Pete's Offensive philosophy which is to become a complete TE. Graham wasn't, isn't and will never be that but for years Pete demanded it and never took advantage of what made Graham special. It's another case of trading for a player and not knowing how to use him properly.

And that's exactly why I DID choose Graham, because we were trying to fit a round peg into a square hole.

Adams doesn't add much of anything and is probably the 2nd best S on the Seahawks. Not good enough when giving up a starting player at the same position, 2 first round picks, a 3rd round pick, for him and a 4th in the 2022 draft. Sure, he had one year where he was the leading sacker on the team, but that's not sustainable and shows how bad our DL was to be forced to use him that way. It wouldn't surprise me with the injuries he seems to get every year that he will be retired in 3 or 4 years. Horrible, horrible trade.

I agree, and had it not been for the fact that the book on Adams is still open, I would have selected him. But the jury is still out.

In any event, all three of those trades, by far the three biggest trades we've made since at least Pete's tenure, if not the entire 45 year history of the franchise, were all complete flops and on their own justification for getting rid of Pete and Schneider.

[Aseahawkfan]

Their x's and o's logic was sound on Adams. He was a top 5 draft pick safety who is an amazing strong safety on par with Kam Chancellor. He was a Pro Bowler, young in his first contract, not known to be a locker room cancer, and willing to lay it all on the line to win. He's a Seahawk type of player.

My big problem is Pete and John seem to still be of the mindset we're one or two players away from a Super Bowl. We're not. They have been letting the team degrade too much over the years, missing too many picks, and not developing young talent either because the talent is bad or their coaching staff isn't good at development.

If they had picked up Jamal Adams after they rebuilt the defensive line, I think he would be an amazing addition. But you got no defense if you have no defensive line. You're going to get pushed around and your LBs and secondary are going to have to try to bat clean up. And that wears them down and sets them up for injury. I think all the pass rushing last year hurt Jamal's shoulder. Safeties should not be rushing the passer that much period. They aren't big enough to survive the scrum at the lines.

Percy was an unnecessary luxury. We were already an amazing defensive unit with enough offense to win.

Graham the same. Pete kept talking about TD makers. We were scoring enough TDs.

Our defense was lights out when we picked up Percy and Graham. We could have easily gotten by developing a run blocking TE who was an occasional pass threat.

To simplify, Adams is a real and committed building block for a defense. Harvin and Graham were just luxury picks Pete picked up like buying a Ferrari as a billionaire when you already own a Bugati and a Lamborghini.

[RiverDog]

Their x's and o's logic was sound on Adams. He was a top 5 draft pick safety who is an amazing strong safety on par with Kam Chancellor. He was a Pro Bowler, young in his first contract, not known to be a locker room cancer, and willing to lay it all on the line to win. He's a Seahawk type of player.

Kam Chancellor was bigger, stronger, and hit harder than Adams, more like a Kenny Easley type of strong safety. Where Adams was better than Kam at was in rushing the passer, something that Pete never expected as a primary asset out of his safeties. As North Hawk stated, our pass rush in 2020 was so anemic that Pete used Adams in that role out of necessity. Adams might be a little better in staying with receivers and backs in coverage, but his size prevents him from matching up as well as Kam did with tight ends. And he certainly doesn't fill holes on running plays like Kam did.

My big problem is Pete and John seem to still be of the mindset we're one or two players away from a Super Bowl. We're not. They have been letting the team degrade too much over the years, missing too many picks, and not developing young talent either because the talent is bad or their coaching staff isn't good at development.

If they had picked up Jamal Adams after they rebuilt the defensive line, I think he would be an amazing addition. But you got no defense if you have no defensive line. You're going to get pushed around and your LBs and secondary are going to have to try to bat clean up. And that wears them down and sets them up for injury. I think all the pass rushing last year hurt Jamal's shoulder. Safeties should not be rushing the passer that much period. They aren't big enough to survive the scrum at the lines.

I agree.

Percy was an unnecessary luxury. We were already an amazing defensive unit with enough offense to win.

We weren't quite there yet when we traded for Harvin. The year before our trade for Harvin, we had Beast pounding it up the middle and Russell running read options off his fakes. Adding Harvin gave us another dimension, by running jet sweeps and bubble screens, and could stretch the field horizontally. And then, of course, was his kick return ability. Had Harvin been healthy, he would have been a tremendous addition to our offense and special teams. But the guy was a me-first locker room cancer and not committed to our team. It was blatantly obvious to anyone that cared enough to pay attention. But Pete had this vision about himself, that the power of his personality could tame the wildest of souls.

Graham the same. Pete kept talking about TD makers. We were scoring enough TDs.

Graham did not fit the character of what Pete was trying to do, a smash mouth team featuring a top 5 defense that played with a chip on their shoulders. Graham might have been OK had we used him like a wide receiver such as a Joe Jurevicius or Plaxico Burress, a tall, lanky wide receiver that created height mismatches, but he tried to make him into an inline tight end, and with our perpetual problems on the offensive line and a run first mentality, was asked to block a lot more than he was used to with the Saints.

[tarlhawk]

[quote="Aseahawkfan"]
My big problem is Pete and John seem to still be of the mindset we're one or two players away from a Super Bowl. We're not. They have been letting the team degrade too much over the years, missing too many picks, and not developing young talent either because the talent is bad or their coaching staff isn't good at development. Graham the same. Pete kept talking about TD makers. We were scoring enough TDs.
our defense was lights out when we picked up Percy and Graham. We could have easily gotten by developing a run blocking TE who was an occasional pass threat. /quote]

Not one or two...but 4-5 would re-new us as contenders...they haven't been "letting" the team degrade...welcome to the reality of too many wins and the NFL has tools in place to take down your talent core. The best way to stay on top is via the draft but each year selecting from the bottom of the draft rounds vice in the top 15 or so of each round hurts your odds at scoring a draft "hit". R. Sherman/Kam Chancellor/Russel Wilson and similar "finds/gems" were by having higher round selections not the bottom dozen choices (of each round) winning teams select from...for every successful Patriots franchise you have ten bottom feeders in a system designed to stop Franchise dynasties and try to prevent perennial losers.

Our lights out defense would be handicapped today by the NFL's efforts to re-shape a teams focus from defense to bombs away offense. Richard Sherman recognized this when a reporter asked him if the coach asked him to switch to WR when we suffered a rash of injuries to our receiving corps. Of course he replied no...he hadn't been asked but he said he would welcome taking advantage of the NFL altering rules that favor WR while broadening what constitutes pass interference and burdens the secondary.

In college more and more of your best athletes choose to learn the WR route to the NFL and not the Defensive back route. The defense functions best as a team with synchronizing "parts". Our pass rush has suffered from the weakness in our secondary...both function well together. Our defense suffered while our secondary was being shaped ...Tre Brown/Sidney Jones at LCB and DJ Reed at RCB give us hope for the future...our glaring weakness is an inability to play successful "Man to Man" coverage for more than a brief "shakeup".

Playing too soft makes even your opponents QB back-ups Quick release "assassins" which effectively negates even the best pass rush. We have seen our Defense flash when our secondary is denying primary targets while forcing QB's to check down for open receivers...as this allows more time for our Pass Rush to either break through or draw a holding call on our opponents O-Line.

Grahm became a bad trade when we weren't looking for a trade to get him...the Saints GM offered him up while conversing with our own GM on a different matter. We didn't have a true taller Outside receiver for red zone attacks by R. Wilson...Baldwin was our best and being smaller was an over achiever like Lockett has been. John Schneider wanted to get new receiving red zone weapons to explore RW's budding talents...but perhaps telling the Saints GM "we'll get back to you"...we punched the ticket of a bad trade temptation.

[tarlhawk]

Kam Chancellor Scouting Report
Position: FS
Conference: ACC
School: Virginia Tech Hokies
Year/Status: Drafted
Jersey Number: #17
Height & Weight: 6'4 - 230 lbs.
Drafted 5th Rd 2nd pick in 5th round in 2010 by SEA
2010 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
Kam Chancellor, FS, Virginia Tech
There is not much Kam Chancellor has not done. Arriving at Virginia Tech in 2006, he worked at quarterback. Then he was moved to corner, where he spent his freshman season playing spot duty. In 2007 he earned the starting job at the Hokies rover position. Even with a ton of talent around him on the defensive side of the ball that season, Chancellor ended the year with 79 total tackles. However, Chancellor's final destination was not at the rover position. Prior to the 2008 season, he moved to free safety. At 6-4 and 230 pounds, Chancellor is big and strong and rarely fails to deliver the big hit. He has a decent amount of speed and has all the measurables that NFL teams will be looking for. Chancellor could have gone pro after his junior season, but he made the right decision returning to the Hokies. While Chancellor did a fine job in 2008 at the free safety position, he is getting noticeably more comfortable there during the 2009 campaign. Chancellor has found his home at free safety and now the NFL knows where he fits. Chancellor should be considered one of the top two or three free safeties in this class and if he keeps putting up big numbers in 2009, he has a slight chance of being a first-round selection. 2/1 Update: Chancellor had good East-West Shrine workouts and he is bigger and stronger than most other top free safeties in this class. However, his lack of speed is a concern and he will need to put up some great times at the NFL Combine to sneak into the second round. Even if he runs a 4.6, as expected, he should still be a third or fourth rounder.


So many Jamal Adams naysayers
6 ft tall 214 lbs ...Jamal Adams ran a 4.56 at the NFL Combine:
“We broke down the film,” said George Adams, a former Kentucky running back and first-round pick in 1985. “We saw where he stood up. (He lost) 0.8 (seconds) before he even took off. We knew he could run a 4.4.”

He did one better.

Adams — free of those nerves — ran a 4.33 40-yard dash Wednesday at LSU’s pro day, capturing the buzz of this yearly event in the school’s indoor practice facility.

No one finished with a faster 40 time. Former LSU track national champion Cyril Grayson, competing at pro day, could only equal the mark. Adams’ score filtered through the crowd seconds after he completed the dash and before it posted on the large projection screen in the indoor facility.

Tre’Davious White rushed to Adams to tell him the news: 4.33! 4.33! 4.33!

“Coming into the combine, that’s what he told me he was going to run there,” receiver Malachi Dupre said. “He didn’t, but I know he’s run that before. I knew he was (that fast). It’s just a matter of doing it when the lights are on. He did.”

Jamal Adams
40 Yard Dash/4.56
Bench Press/18
Vertical Jump/31.5
Broad Jump/120
3 Cone Drill/6.96
20 Yd Shuttle/4.13
60 Yd Shuttle/11.92
The son of a former NFL running back (George, who played at Kentucky and on the Super Bowl champion New York Giants team of 1986) looks like he's grown up with the game. Even in LSU's always-loaded secondary, the nation's top safety recruit got on the field a significant amount as a true freshman (two starts, 66 tackles, five break-ups, 10 special teams tackles). When given the chance to start as a sophomore, Adams garnered second-team All-SEC honors by making 67 stops, four interceptions and six pass break-ups. Coaches voted him second-team all-conference after his junior year (76 tackles, 7.5 for loss, one interception, four pass break-ups) even though the Associated Press put him on their first-team All-American squad due to his all-around impact for the Tigers' defense.

By Lance Zierlein NFL Analyst
NFL Comparison Darren Woodson

Overview
Interchangeable safety with a sheriff's mentality. Adams is a physical tone-setter who should thrive near the line of scrimmage or in a robber role. Should be a commanding presence in the locker room early on and his do-as-I-do play demeanor could be the catalyst for turning a struggling defense around quickly.
Strengths
Natural-born leader of men
Well-built
Will not hesitate for one second as a hitter
Steps downhill looking to punish running backs to set a tone for defense
Toggles between patient and urgent in treks to the ball
Plays off blockers
Approaches target with open arms and wide, balanced base to limit escape routes
Intelligent field general
Gets secondary aligned properly
Plays with plus balance in coverage
Pattern reader who can digest combinations
Alert for misdirection keys from offense
Party crasher on screen plays
Can handle coverage responsibilities against tight ends
Five interceptions and two recovered fumbles over last two seasons at LSU
Special-teams terror as freshman and sophomore, notching 21 tackles
No penalties in 2016
Father, George, was a first-round pick of the Giants in 1984

Weaknesses
Handsy and too willing to clamp onto receivers down the field
Hard-charging downhill, but a little stiff when asked to retreat
Long speed appears to be average on tape
Eyes drop when targets approach his area
Anticipation is average, limiting his range as a center-fielder
Will give away some interceptions due to drops
Slower coming to balance as tackler on bursting runners between the tackles
Desire to limit cutbacks leads to challenging play-side tackles
Doesn't pursue with expected vigor from across the field
Aggressiveness opens him up against play-action

Sources Tell Us
"The people who have been at that program the longest think he might be the best leader LSU has had in years. He's a no-doubt first-rounder. He can play all over the field and he could have an immediate impact on defense just like Landon Collins did coming out. I love him. I think he's a winner." - AFC area scout
GRADE
8.0 The perfect prospect
7.3-7.5 Perennial All-Pro
7.0-7.1 Pro Bowl talent
6.7-6.8 Year 1 quality starter

[tarlhawk]

In any event, all three of those trades, by far the three biggest trades we've made since at least Pete's tenure, if not the entire 45 year history of the franchise, were all complete flops and on their own justification for getting rid of Pete and Schneider.

So in your rush to get rid of PC/JS you call all three trades you "cherry picked" as complete flops and label these as the three biggest trades since PC/JS arrived??

hmmm 2019 ...two years ago so looooong?
John Schneider’s trades and signings, not his draft picks, have put the Seahawks in the NFC hunt
By Tyler Alsin Nov 17, 2019, 8:00am PST

Seattle Seahawks v San Francisco 49ers (At this point in time the 49ers were 8-0)
Seattle Seahawks general manager John Schneider has never won the Executive of the Year award. This is frankly ridiculous, but it’s also fine because that thing is cursed. You can keep that voodoo far away from Seattle as far as I’m concerned.
Schneider has generally been considered good-not-great, as pundits think of him how many thought of Russell Wilson until apparently this season.

We know Schneider has had some of the best drafts ever seen by an NFL GM. But more recently, his home runs have come through acquired talent, as the Seahawks have made several stellar trades in recent years.
Truly, it was the team that John built that beat the 8-0 San Francisco 49ers on Monday Night.
But specifically, it was the athletes he poached from other teams that won the day this time. For what it’s worth, all five fumbles against the Niners came from Seattle homegrown talent.

Schneider’s Superstars
Human Wrecking Ball - Jadeveon Clowney
Clowney’s been covered in full throughout the week, and rightly so. He was the best athlete in Santa Clara Monday night. It’s possible he might be the best athlete in Santa Clara any time he visits. I’ve never once thought he’s been trying less hard than he should, but against the Niners he tried real hard. It was amazing to see the 12s ignite after the game in response to what an actual elite edge rusher can do for a team. Frank Clark was very good, Michael Bennett was very good, but Clowney was playing next to Jimmy Garoppolo like he was a member of the 49ers. With how bad the Ziggy Ansah signing has proven, Schneider likely would have been willing to part with far more to get this guy who clearly should have been playing somewhere like Seattle all along.
Traded from: The Houston Texans
Plug-and-play Tight End Star - Jacob Hollister
This is starting to look like the transition from Will Dissly to Jacob Hollister just needed a couple weeks to get up to speed. Russ really likes his TEs right now, and Hollister’s split-second separation on the only receiving TD of the game for Seattle was frankly ridiculous.
Traded from: The New England Patriots

The Future of Marquise Blair - Quandre Diggs
In his first time suiting up since coming to Seattle, Diggs was out there laying some pretty big hits against the suddenly scared looking 49ers. The Seahawks only have seven interceptions this season, and Q already has one of them, which he returned for a brisk 45 yards. His presence was clearly something Seattle had been lacking, as he was a picture of a complete safety running in tandem with Bradley McDougald.
It hasn’t been stated yet how long the Seahawks would like to keep Diggs, but he played like I think many hope Marquise Blair will be able to play. The Legion of Not Hitting So Hard is sorely in need of guys who can deliver blows like Diggs and hopefully Blair.
Traded from: The Detroit Lions

Speaking of which - Bradley McDougald
This is going to be a really good tandem. Our favorite Scotsman safety had the second most tackles on Monday night, and every one of them was a solo effort. He also tacked on a pass defense and probably messed up Dante Pettis for a while.
Drafted by: Undrafted. Signed by the Kansas City Chiefs. Acquired in free agency from Tampa Bay.
Poona Ford’s so good! Oh wait, that’s....Al Woods?
They both played well, but Woods outshined his interior counterpart this week. Statistically his game was at least as good as Jarran Reed’s. Woods finished with six tackles, two for a loss, one sack, and one QB hit. He’s the only guy on the team (besides an in-motion Bobby Wagner) who has repeatable ability to stop all opposing momentum instantaneously. One-on-one Woods is the most immovable defender on this team. Remember that time he bent Jared Goff backwards to prevent the two-point conversion?
Acquired from: Indianapolis, free agency

From the team that’s good at football, but bad at trading to the Seahawks - Josh Gordon
Bill Belichick will probably be remembered as the best head coach in NFL history, but folks in the PNW will remember him as a very generous donor to the cause of Pete Carroll. Justin Coleman, Jacob Hollister, and Josh Gordon have all proven themselves to be far more valuable than what the Seahawks gave up. Especially considering Gordon comes to Seattle basically for free, and according to the broadcast Monday night was “as confused as anybody” that he was released by the Pats.
Gordon didn’t do a ton against San Francisco, but how nice it must be for Russ to have a guy so established you know he’s trustworthy late in the game on two crucial third downs. Gordon’s only two receptions were both pivotal for the Hawks. To get some pretty good gains under pressure on a few days of practice, it’s already a win for Seattle.
Acquired from: New England Patriots, through that weird IR-then-cut-to-give-worse-teams-first-dibs rule that only the Patriots knew about before last week.

What’s consistent is that the Seahawks have GM who’s adept at compiling above average rosters. In seemingly whichever way he goes about putting the squad together.

This doesn't even include acquiring LT Duane Brown ...RG Gabe Jackson...Nickel CB Justin Coleman. Did Josh Gordan pan out? McDougald shined in our defensive schemes but like Maxwell and others...they thrived here...not elsewhere. Did Jadeveon Clowney pan out? Frank Clark's blooming made Clowneys loss bearable but the Edge market for DE's boomed before JS and Clark could come together...even as a "Franchise Player" Frank became too expensive to keep.

[Aseahawkfan]

Not one or two...but 4-5 would re-new us as contenders...they haven't been "letting" the team degrade...welcome to the reality of too many wins and the NFL has tools in place to take down your talent core. The best way to stay on top is via the draft but each year selecting from the bottom of the draft rounds vice in the top 15 or so of each round hurts your odds at scoring a draft "hit". R. Sherman/Kam Chancellor/Russel Wilson and similar "finds/gems" were by having higher round selections not the bottom dozen choices (of each round) winning teams select from...for every successful Patriots franchise you have ten bottom feeders in a system designed to stop Franchise dynasties and try to prevent perennial losers.

Our lights out defense would be handicapped today by the NFL's efforts to re-shape a teams focus from defense to bombs away offense. Richard Sherman recognized this when a reporter asked him if the coach asked him to switch to WR when we suffered a rash of injuries to our receiving corps. Of course he replied no...he hadn't been asked but he said he would welcome taking advantage of the NFL altering rules that favor WR while broadening what constitutes pass interference and burdens the secondary.

In college more and more of your best athletes choose to learn the WR route to the NFL and not the Defensive back route. The defense functions best as a team with synchronizing "parts". Our pass rush has suffered from the weakness in our secondary...both function well together. Our defense suffered while our secondary was being shaped ...Tre Brown/Sidney Jones at LCB and DJ Reed at RCB give us hope for the future...our glaring weakness is an inability to play successful "Man to Man" coverage for more than a brief "shakeup".

Playing too soft makes even your opponents QB back-ups Quick release "assassins" which effectively negates even the best pass rush. We have seen our Defense flash when our secondary is denying primary targets while forcing QB's to check down for open receivers...as this allows more time for our Pass Rush to either break through or draw a holding call on our opponents O-Line.

Grahm became a bad trade when we weren't looking for a trade to get him...the Saints GM offered him up while conversing with our own GM on a different matter. We didn't have a true taller Outside receiver for red zone attacks by R. Wilson...Baldwin was our best and being smaller was an over achiever like Lockett has been. John Schneider wanted to get new receiving red zone weapons to explore RW's budding talents...but perhaps telling the Saints GM "we'll get back to you"...we punched the ticket of a bad trade temptation.

John and Pete have been missing on too many picks and trades at key positions, especially along the lines.

I'd be ok keeping Schneider myself and seeing what he can do as a GM with full power. But Pete's unlikely to return to the days when he first arrived hungry to prove he could do his thing in the NFL.

[NorthHawk]

The problem with the Adams trade was his talents don’t fit what our Defense does.
So Pete traded for him but STILL doesn’t know how to use him. As well he didn’t have a framework
of a contract in place but he knew Adams wanted a huge salary. Those missteps are stunning in
magnitude.

Btw, Diggs was voted to the Pro Bowl this year.

[tarlhawk]

The problem with the Adams trade was his talents don’t fit what our Defense does.
So Pete traded for him but STILL doesn’t know how to use him. As well he didn’t have a framework
of a contract in place but he knew Adams wanted a huge salary. Those missteps are stunning in
magnitude.

Btw, Diggs was voted to the Pro Bowl this year.

Any point made by the Diggs comment? JS "stole" Diggs from the Lions...but hopefully he'll stay healthy and be extended so he won't have to experience the incessant criticism Jamal Adams is exposed to. ..."his talents don't fit what our Defence does" being vague doesn't merit response. "he didn't have a framework of a contract" ...you discovered or know this?? ...the "he" is PC not our GM (JS) If you still think Pete wasn't marveling at how good he assesses Adam's skill set (Still doesn't know how to use him)...but is expressing being clueless then you are a bit demeaning/judgemental. The reporters used to hearing "Pete-Speaks" fortunately are not so condescending toward him. He often is vague on purpose when assessing a players return from injury as well...saying "He twinged his ankle...we'll have to see what that means"

[Aseahawkfan]

The problem with the Adams trade was his talents don’t fit what our Defense does.
So Pete traded for him but STILL doesn’t know how to use him. As well he didn’t have a framework
of a contract in place but he knew Adams wanted a huge salary. Those missteps are stunning in
magnitude.

Btw, Diggs was voted to the Pro Bowl this year.

Adams fits this defense just fine. He's a hard banging strong safety. But that's a luxury when you don't have a D-line or a secondary. People would be loving Adams is all the pieces around him were as good as they were around Kam.

[I-5]

This doesn't answer the poll, but far worse than any of these 3 trades are the complete inability to draft NFL calibre players since the departure of Scott McCloughan in April 2014. With a very few exceptions (Lockett, Metcalf, Carson, Taylor).

[RiverDog]

This doesn't answer the poll, but far worse than any of these 3 trades are the complete inability to draft NFL calibre players since the departure of Scott McCloughan in April 2014. With a very few exceptions (Lockett, Metcalf, Carson, Taylor).

McCloughan's departure has been mentioned frequently in other threads this forum. I personally think that Pete's initial success had more to do with his close relationship with the CFB world and knowing the talent out there that would fit his system (Sherman, Lynch, Wagner, Thomas, et al). It seems that the further away he got from his college days, once the players he once coached, recruited, played against, et al, the worse his personnel decisions got.

[NorthHawk]

You keep saying that RD, but relationships don't die because a coach goes to the NFL.
The only players he would have a handle on that would give him any advantage is those on his college team or those he coached against.
Other than that he wouldn't have any special knowledge of how well players he may have recruited and not signed have developed.
The Scouts would have better insight because they see those players multiple times in person and also talking to their coaches about them.
So, like all other Front Offices they rely on game film and scouting reports and with our draft selections it seems something isn't being told
or is ignored by our Front Office. I think maybe because of the early success in drafting, a feeling of overconfidence has descended upon
them and that's why they have passed by real good players for gambles on others that haven't panned out.

[NorthHawk]

Adams fits this defense just fine. He's a hard banging strong safety. But that's a luxury when you don't have a D-line or a secondary. People would be loving Adams is all the pieces around him were as good as they were around Kam

Then why after a year with Adams Pete said this year that they are still figuring out how to use him?
If he fit fine, he would have an established role early and Pete wouldn't have said that.
He's not a Kam Chancellor and he's not an ET. He floats somewhere in the middle where he's not good enough to be a ball hawk and not big enough to intimidate WR's.
He is a good tackler for the most part but until he has a defined role he's not going to do as well as he might in another Defense like how Greg Williams used him.
Pete's Defense is not designed for a blitzing Safety to succeed, rather it's designed to get pressure from the front 4.

[RiverDog]

Adams fits this defense just fine. He's a hard banging strong safety. But that's a luxury when you don't have a D-line or a secondary. People would be loving Adams is all the pieces around him were as good as they were around Kam

Then why after a year with Adams Pete said this year that they are still figuring out how to use him?
If he fit fine, he would have an established role early and Pete wouldn't have said that.
He's not a Kam Chancellor and he's not an ET. He floats somewhere in the middle where he's not good enough to be a ball hawk and not big enough to intimidate WR's.
He is a good tackler for the most part but until he has a defined role he's not going to do as well as he might in another Defense like how Greg Williams used him.
Pete's Defense is not designed for a blitzing Safety to succeed, rather it's designed to get pressure from the front 4.

During his entire career, Kam Chancellor had just two QB sacks, and none in the 2012, 2013, and 2014 seasons, the years we were the most dominate. Jamal Adams had 9.5 sacks for us in 2020, so it's pretty clear that they aren't similar players and even more clear that Pete hasn't been using Adams the way he did Kam.

[Hawktawk]

Kam Chancellor Scouting Report
Position: FS
Conference: ACC
School: Virginia Tech Hokies
Year/Status: Drafted
Jersey Number: #17
Height & Weight: 6'4 - 230 lbs.
Drafted 5th Rd 2nd pick in 5th round in 2010 by SEA
2010 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
Kam Chancellor, FS, Virginia Tech
There is not much Kam Chancellor has not done. Arriving at Virginia Tech in 2006, he worked at quarterback. Then he was moved to corner, where he spent his freshman season playing spot duty. In 2007 he earned the starting job at the Hokies rover position. Even with a ton of talent around him on the defensive side of the ball that season, Chancellor ended the year with 79 total tackles. However, Chancellor's final destination was not at the rover position. Prior to the 2008 season, he moved to free safety. At 6-4 and 230 pounds, Chancellor is big and strong and rarely fails to deliver the big hit. He has a decent amount of speed and has all the measurables that NFL teams will be looking for. Chancellor could have gone pro after his junior season, but he made the right decision returning to the Hokies. While Chancellor did a fine job in 2008 at the free safety position, he is getting noticeably more comfortable there during the 2009 campaign. Chancellor has found his home at free safety and now the NFL knows where he fits. Chancellor should be considered one of the top two or three free safeties in this class and if he keeps putting up big numbers in 2009, he has a slight chance of being a first-round selection. 2/1 Update: Chancellor had good East-West Shrine workouts and he is bigger and stronger than most other top free safeties in this class. However, his lack of speed is a concern and he will need to put up some great times at the NFL Combine to sneak into the second round. Even if he runs a 4.6, as expected, he should still be a third or fourth rounder.


So many Jamal Adams naysayers
6 ft tall 214 lbs ...Jamal Adams ran a 4.56 at the NFL Combine:
“We broke down the film,” said George Adams, a former Kentucky running back and first-round pick in 1985. “We saw where he stood up. (He lost) 0.8 (seconds) before he even took off. We knew he could run a 4.4.”

He did one better.

Adams — free of those nerves — ran a 4.33 40-yard dash Wednesday at LSU’s pro day, capturing the buzz of this yearly event in the school’s indoor practice facility.

No one finished with a faster 40 time. Former LSU track national champion Cyril Grayson, competing at pro day, could only equal the mark. Adams’ score filtered through the crowd seconds after he completed the dash and before it posted on the large projection screen in the indoor facility.

Tre’Davious White rushed to Adams to tell him the news: 4.33! 4.33! 4.33!

“Coming into the combine, that’s what he told me he was going to run there,” receiver Malachi Dupre said. “He didn’t, but I know he’s run that before. I knew he was (that fast). It’s just a matter of doing it when the lights are on. He did.”

Jamal Adams
40 Yard Dash/4.56
Bench Press/18
Vertical Jump/31.5
Broad Jump/120
3 Cone Drill/6.96
20 Yd Shuttle/4.13
60 Yd Shuttle/11.92
The son of a former NFL running back (George, who played at Kentucky and on the Super Bowl champion New York Giants team of 1986) looks like he's grown up with the game. Even in LSU's always-loaded secondary, the nation's top safety recruit got on the field a significant amount as a true freshman (two starts, 66 tackles, five break-ups, 10 special teams tackles). When given the chance to start as a sophomore, Adams garnered second-team All-SEC honors by making 67 stops, four interceptions and six pass break-ups. Coaches voted him second-team all-conference after his junior year (76 tackles, 7.5 for loss, one interception, four pass break-ups) even though the Associated Press put him on their first-team All-American squad due to his all-around impact for the Tigers' defense.

By Lance Zierlein NFL Analyst
NFL Comparison Darren Woodson

Overview
Interchangeable safety with a sheriff's mentality. Adams is a physical tone-setter who should thrive near the line of scrimmage or in a robber role. Should be a commanding presence in the locker room early on and his do-as-I-do play demeanor could be the catalyst for turning a struggling defense around quickly.
Strengths
Natural-born leader of men
Well-built
Will not hesitate for one second as a hitter
Steps downhill looking to punish running backs to set a tone for defense
Toggles between patient and urgent in treks to the ball
Plays off blockers
Approaches target with open arms and wide, balanced base to limit escape routes
Intelligent field general
Gets secondary aligned properly
Plays with plus balance in coverage
Pattern reader who can digest combinations
Alert for misdirection keys from offense
Party crasher on screen plays
Can handle coverage responsibilities against tight ends
Five interceptions and two recovered fumbles over last two seasons at LSU
Special-teams terror as freshman and sophomore, notching 21 tackles
No penalties in 2016
Father, George, was a first-round pick of the Giants in 1984

Weaknesses
Handsy and too willing to clamp onto receivers down the field
Hard-charging downhill, but a little stiff when asked to retreat
Long speed appears to be average on tape
Eyes drop when targets approach his area
Anticipation is average, limiting his range as a center-fielder
Will give away some interceptions due to drops
Slower coming to balance as tackler on bursting runners between the tackles
Desire to limit cutbacks leads to challenging play-side tackles
Doesn't pursue with expected vigor from across the field
Aggressiveness opens him up against play-action

Sources Tell Us
"The people who have been at that program the longest think he might be the best leader LSU has had in years. He's a no-doubt first-rounder. He can play all over the field and he could have an immediate impact on defense just like Landon Collins did coming out. I love him. I think he's a winner." - AFC area scout
GRADE
8.0 The perfect prospect
7.3-7.5 Perennial All-Pro
7.0-7.1 Pro Bowl talent
6.7-6.8 Year 1 quality starter

Not sure why you are sharing his scouting report . He has 2 interceptions and has dropped 3 or 4, blown coverages , lost contain and gave up Derrick Henry’s house call in the monumental Titans game meltdown . He’s high energy and impactful but has his second serious shoulder injury . He was brought in to win now , the team is 5-9 and he’s out . The draft capital , the cap hit. A massive contract extension . If he were out there being the guy in your draft report it is still too expensive . Now that he’s not it’s just a disaster . Worst trade of the era .

[Aseahawkfan]

During his entire career, Kam Chancellor had just two QB sacks, and none in the 2012, 2013, and 2014 seasons, the years we were the most dominate. Jamal Adams had 9.5 sacks for us in 2020, so it's pretty clear that they aren't similar players and even more clear that Pete hasn't been using Adams the way he did Kam.

He's using him more like Kam this year with more pass rush attempts.

The only reason he didn't use him like Kam from the start is because we don't have the surrounding pieces like Kam had at all. Jamal Adams is a high performing strong safety. He is getting blamed for playing on what was already a bad defense.

Adams is a good x's and o's pick for this defense. He just doesn't have the pieces around him like a Kam had. Until you have those pieces, who cares if you have a great strong safety.

[RiverDog]

He's using him more like Kam this year with more pass rush attempts.

The only reason he didn't use him like Kam from the start is because we don't have the surrounding pieces like Kam had at all. Jamal Adams is a high performing strong safety. He is getting blamed for playing on what was already a bad defense.

Adams is a good x's and o's pick for this defense. He just doesn't have the pieces around him like a Kam had. Until you have those pieces, who cares if you have a great strong safety.

Which is part of what makes this a bad trade. You do not build a great defense around a strong safety. You said it yourself, Adams needs "surrounding pieces" in order to excel. There's a reason why safeties are the lowest paid position on the defense. \

When the trade occurred, I thought that Pete had something special planned for Adams, that the defense would somehow revolve around him, that he'd make our defense better. Why else would you give up so much draft capital and sign him to such a big contract? I trusted Pete to know what he was doing. But Pete came out and said at the start of this season that they were still trying to figure out how to use him, and this season, I haven't seen Adams doing anything to justify such a huge amount of draft capital and such a large contract. He's not getting sacks, tackles for loss, stuffing running plays at the LOS, or defending passes. He cleans up after a reception and makes a few tackles after a running back breaks into the 2nd level. He's not bad in that role, but it's not worth what we paid.

[tarlhawk]

He was brought in to win now , the team is 5-9 and he’s out . The draft capital , the cap hit. A massive contract extension . If he were out there being the guy in your draft report it is still too expensive . Now that he’s not it’s just a disaster . Worst trade of the era .

You simplify too much in making your otherwise interesting responses. Too expensive? If you win constantly (as we did until this year) you are boxed out of the higher draft choices (Top 15). As a GM you hope for a superior player who is disgruntled with his current team...usually over an impending contract (Duane Brown/Jamal Adams) or a GM wanting to unload a recent contract extension that the GM is regretting (Jimmy Grahm).

Special players are always expensive but if you get impatient trying to "win the lottery" from the "depths" of each draft round...you pay a price. J.Adams wasn't paid to "win now"...by signing a special player in their youth ...then get him in a contract extension...you have a strong foundational piece to work with going forward. Sure you sometimes can get very lucky in the Draft (like the Patriots did...getting Tom Brady in the 6th Rd with Pick 199 *a comp pick no less*) ...but the reality is the lower half of draft selections are a poor contrast to what can be accomplished with choosing each round in the top 15. I'm hoping our 2022 Draft awards us with some Top 15 picks each round beginning in the 2nd Round...we should do quite well. If you think many teams...especially those trying to land the QB of their choice...don't pay a ridiculous price to move up...then look at the Rams "price" for moving up to the top of the draft to "nab" Jared Goff.

On April 28, 2016, Goff was selected with the first overall pick by the Los Angeles Rams in the 2016 NFL Draft. The Rams had traded up in the first round and acquired the first pick from the Tennessee Titans.
These clubs will forever be tied to one another for the blockbuster deal that went down at the top of the 2016 draft that ultimately led to Jared Goff quarterbacking the Rams and a boatload of picks being sent to the Titans over two drafts.

Titans traded to Rams:
2016 Round 1 pick (No. 1 overall)
2016 Round 4 pick (No. 113)
2016 Round 6 pick (No. 177)
Rams selected Jared Goff with the first overall Draft Pick of 2016 draft.
Rams traded to Titans:
2016 Round 1 pick (No. 15)
2016 Round 2 pick (No. 43)
2016 Round 2 pick (No. 45)
2016 Round 3 pick (No. 76
2017 Round 1 pick (No. 5)
2017 Round 3 pick (No. 100)
Titans used their picks in some other trades and produced mainly
Jack Conklin 1 8 OL Michigan State
Derrick Henry 3 45 RB Alabama
Corey Davis 1 5 WR Western Michigan
Jonnu Smith 3 100 TE Florida International

"Our quarterback has to take better care of the football," McVay said about Goff, the player general manager Les Snead traded six picks to move up and draft No. 1 overall in 2016.

That was Week 12 of the 2020 season, and Goff had turned the ball over three times in a 23-20 loss to the NFC West rival San Francisco 49ers. But McVay's frustration with the franchise quarterback had been brewing for some time.
Two weeks after the 2020 campaign, which ended with a divisional playoff loss at the Green Bay Packers, the Rams traded Goff, two first-round picks and a third-round pick to the Lions in exchange for Stafford.

[Aseahawkfan]

Which is part of what makes this a bad trade. You do not build a great defense around a strong safety. You said it yourself, Adams needs "surrounding pieces" in order to excel. There's a reason why safeties are the lowest paid position on the defense. \

When the trade occurred, I thought that Pete had something special planned for Adams, that the defense would somehow revolve around him, that he'd make our defense better. Why else would you give up so much draft capital and sign him to such a big contract? I trusted Pete to know what he was doing. But Pete came out and said at the start of this season that they were still trying to figure out how to use him, and this season, I haven't seen Adams doing anything to justify such a huge amount of draft capital and such a large contract. He's not getting sacks, tackles for loss, stuffing running plays at the LOS, or defending passes. He cleans up after a reception and makes a few tackles after a running back breaks into the 2nd level. He's not bad in that role, but it's not worth what we paid.

I can agree with this. Elite strong safeties are nice to have, but Kam even back then was a luxury. Earl was the necessity around which the Legion of Boom was built.

I don't think it has to do with x's and o's meaning on the field strategy. Maybe you mean roster management with that term, I wasn't sure. As far as the x's and o's of roster management, you don't build around a strong safety.

I think Percy was a worst trade because he was a known locker room cancer. We didn't need him. He didn't provide much production for us. He started a rift in the locker room. I think he was one of the trades that made some of the other players unhappy in that we brought him from the outside rather than pay one of the guys we have. It was one of the first trades that was a thumb your nose at the guys who got you there as you pick up some shiny toy that you would have to pay more than the men in the locker room you drafted who got you there. It set a bad precedent all around and continued on with the Graham and Adams trade.

Pay your own guys. Build through the draft. Stop bringing in players from other teams you plan to pay more than the guys who give you everything you already had here. It's disrespectful. It causes a breakdown in the locker room.

I see the Percy Havin trade as the start of Pete and John's bad roster management policy that has led us to where we are now.

[NorthHawk]

Pay your own guys. Build through the draft. Stop bringing in players from other teams you plan to pay more than the guys who give you everything you already had here. It's disrespectful. It causes a breakdown in the locker room.

I see the Percy Havin trade as the start of Pete and John's bad roster management policy that has led us to where we are now.

That's an interesting perspective, and you might be on to something. I think Pete suffers from "Shiny Bauble Syndrome" and like a hungry Muskee he can't
help himself when the lure flashes in his sight. And we see that with what we gave up for Adams.

That Harvin trade might have been the first swing for the fences move this regime made and like you said started the beginning of the roster mismanagement.
Graham was another miss in that they wanted to change who he is, not use his best asset, and others followed with limited success.

But I still see the Adams trade as the worst because we didn't really gain anything at Safety and gave up a boatload of prospects to do so. This year it looks like
the 8th overall pick or thereabouts. Even if they didn't like who was there they could have moved down and got a number of late first/2nd round picks where we
could have filled the C and RB positions or maybe get a good LT for when Brown decides it's time to retire. As well, Adams wasn't in the Jets future plans so they
had made it known that he was available, so how we got suckered this bad is a real mystery. Somebody must have some pictures...

[RiverDog]

I can agree with this. Elite strong safeties are nice to have, but Kam even back then was a luxury. Earl was the necessity around which the Legion of Boom was built.

I don't think it has to do with x's and o's meaning on the field strategy. Maybe you mean roster management with that term, I wasn't sure. As far as the x's and o's of roster management, you don't build around a strong safety.

I think Percy was a worst trade because he was a known locker room cancer. We didn't need him. He didn't provide much production for us. He started a rift in the locker room. I think he was one of the trades that made some of the other players unhappy in that we brought him from the outside rather than pay one of the guys we have. It was one of the first trades that was a thumb your nose at the guys who got you there as you pick up some shiny toy that you would have to pay more than the men in the locker room you drafted who got you there. It set a bad precedent all around and continued on with the Graham and Adams trade.

Pay your own guys. Build through the draft. Stop bringing in players from other teams you plan to pay more than the guys who give you everything you already had here. It's disrespectful. It causes a breakdown in the locker room.

I see the Percy Havin trade as the start of Pete and John's bad roster management policy that has led us to where we are now.

That's exactly what I meant.

I did give Pete a pass on the Harvin trade simply because in 2011, after that complete undressing of the 49'ers in December of that season and losing the playoff game to the Falcons in the waning seconds, that we were so very close to not only going to the SB, but winning it. It may not have been a good long term risk for the reasons you mention, but I was good with taking a gamble if it meant getting to the promised land for just one season and worry about subsequent seasons later.

[tarlhawk]

Pay your own guys. Build through the draft. Stop bringing in players from other teams you plan to pay more than the guys who give you everything you already had here. It's disrespectful. It causes a breakdown in the locker room.

Agreed...I feel we have paid for our fan favorites with plus skills (Russell Wilson/Bobby Wagner/Tyler Lockett) ...build thru the draft...I feel like we were thankful to have McDougald after getting him from Tampa Bay...but were ready to move on to a drafted hard hitter with high upside (Marquise Blair-2nd Rd pick).

Blair flashed skills in camp/pre-season that made McDougald a "place holder"...but a serious injury dashed the envisioned dreams of our coaching staff (Pete especially) so when the temptation of J.Adams and his contract renewall issues with the team (NY Jets) that drafted him ...our GM responded.

[Hawktawk]

I still see Adams as the worst trade . He is injured for the second year in a row . I’ll give him a few more credits than some . I read where someone said he’s not big enough to intimidate receivers he is a very big fast strong safety that hits like a bigger man . He’s one of the most violent aggressive players we have . I love his attitude . But he never had been a ballhawk , is terrible in coverage , ranked 70 something in coverage . Bad shoulders affect a persons ability to reach above their head to Intercept or tip a ball and there is only so much the best surgeons can do for a shoulder after repeated injuries . Again it couldn’t be anticipated but injuries make it the worst possible trade ever .

[NorthHawk]

I still see Adams as the worst trade . He is injured for the second year in a row . I’ll give him a few more credits than some . I read where someone said he’s not big enough to intimidate receivers he is a very big fast strong safety that hits like a bigger man . He’s one of the most violent aggressive players we have . I love his attitude . But he never had been a ballhawk , is terrible in coverage , ranked 70 something in coverage . Bad shoulders affect a persons ability to reach above their head to Intercept or tip a ball and there is only so much the best surgeons can do for a shoulder after repeated injuries . Again it couldn’t be anticipated but injuries make it the worst possible trade ever .

If you are going to give up 2 firsts, a third, a starter at the same position for Adams and a fourth rounder, Adams had better be a complete player. As it is he's pretty much one dimensional in that he's a good run
stopper near the LoS, but not much more. He's no where near the player Kam, Ken Hamlin, or Ken Easley were from the perspective of intimidating WRs. Not even close. So what is he? After seeing him for about
1 season over 2 years, he's maybe an average Safety and not much better than McDougald. Way too much to give up for that limited improvement if any and not worth being the highest paid Safety in the league.

It's interesting that Diggs was voted to the Pro Bowl at Strong Safety.

[Aseahawkfan]

I still see Adams as the worst trade . He is injured for the second year in a row . I’ll give him a few more credits than some . I read where someone said he’s not big enough to intimidate receivers he is a very big fast strong safety that hits like a bigger man . He’s one of the most violent aggressive players we have . I love his attitude . But he never had been a ballhawk , is terrible in coverage , ranked 70 something in coverage . Bad shoulders affect a persons ability to reach above their head to Intercept or tip a ball and there is only so much the best surgeons can do for a shoulder after repeated injuries . Again it couldn’t be anticipated but injuries make it the worst possible trade ever .

I still think Adams is injured because they used him too much in the scrum. Adams has the old school Legion of Boom and Kenney Easley attitude. When you have that attitude as a safety, you break your body apart quickly, especially if you're sent into the scrum against the 300 lb. guys who will rip a 200 lb. guy apart.

[Hawktawk]

Diggs is maybe the best FS in the game . And yes Mcdougal was an acceptable player . I think Adams is a bit better tackling than you but that’s was, not is . He’s going to have a short career . Terrible idea . I read a journalist today counting off the astounding disasters in not only draft and trades but also Free Agency which isn’t being discussed in here but has been awful for years . Adams is described as a risky “ win now” trade and signing and that not winning is grounds enough for firing PC. Add in the damaged goods now it’s dreadful .

[Hawktawk]

I still think Adams is injured because they used him too much in the scrum. Adams has the old school Legion of Boom and Kenney Easley attitude. When you have that attitude as a safety, you break your body apart quickly, especially if you're sent into the scrum against the 300 lb. guys who will rip a 200 lb. guy apart.

Yeah I completely agree. I keep hearing he doesn’t hit hard . I think he’s amazingly strong . I saw him hip roll a guard with 1 arm , flipped him like a rag doll. His hands are so strong he can get 1 hand on guys and get them down . Pretty sure he had quite a few tackles . He hits as hard as anyone . His ball skills are nowhere near the greats here like Kam or Easley or ET but he’s a very good player that would be an asset in a good defense . He was playing his best ball before getting hurt. Adams is a fearless guy that hits so hard he hurts himself . I really like him . Still a horrible trade.

[Old but Slow]

Adams, all day. Even if he were more effective than he has been. All three players, Adams, Harvin and Graham, are good players. Adams simply cost too much in draft picks (as well as throwing McDougal into the trade).

Comparisons between Adams and Chancellor are specious. Adams cost us about 4 players, two first rounders included, while Chancellor was a draft pick, and not even a high one.

[I-5]

I would argue that the Graham trade was the worst, partially because of Graham not really helping the offense, but mostly because it took away Unger, the pro-bowl anchor of a once decent offensive line that we actually had...and we have never recovered from it to this day.