Urban Meyer

[RiverDog]

They're already talking about a potential interim HC:

Not long after the report emerged, CBS Sports insider Jason La Canfora added another interesting layer. He suggested an “in-house replacement” for Meyer has already emerged.

From the report:

Sources said general manager Trent Baalke has become a strong proponent of Jaguars assistant head coach/inside linebackers coach Charlie Strong as an in-house candidate should ownership end up parting with Meyer after just one season.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/po ... d=msedgntp

They might as well drop the axe now. There's no way Meyer is going to survive another year as HC, so it would be best for them to put these never ending distractions behind them and start their search for a permanent replacement. No sense letting Meyer do even more damage to the locker room. Besides, canning him now means that they can start talking to other team's coaches in Week 17.

[NorthHawk]

Apparently Khan is trying to find a way to fire him with "just cause" which has payout implications probably in the millions.
So if it means keeping him for a few more games to save millions, it's probably worth it.

[RiverDog]

Apparently Khan is trying to find a way to fire him with "just cause" which has payout implications probably in the millions.
So if it means keeping him for a few more games to save millions, it's probably worth it.

If the recent reports are true, coupled with his earlier problems when he didn't travel with the team and caused the team some very embarrassing publicity, Khan should already have sufficient reason to fire him for just cause. The longer he waits, the longer he 'accepts' his behavior, which Meyer could use in an unjust termination lawsuit.

[trents]

I can only imagine the huge distraction all this is to the players and the coaching staff trying to prepare for games.

But there is an upside. They are heading for high draft positioning again. Some future head coach is going to inherit a gold mine of talent.

[RiverDog]

I can only imagine the huge distraction all this is to the players and the coaching staff trying to prepare for games.

Urban Meyer has been an epic failure and could well affect the future hiring of college coaches. For every Kliff Kingsbury, there's two or three Urban Meyers.

I can't begin to imagine what it must be like in that locker room. Outside of Trevor Lawrence, I doubt that there's any that are confident that they'll be with the team next season. It's all about individual beauty contests, making themselves look good enough to stay in the league.

[trents]

After Meyer is canned, what kind of a personality do you think it would take to pull Jacksonville together? I'm thinking someone along the lines of Mike Tomlin who is a level-headed but no nonsense kind of guy. Anybody come to mind?

[NorthHawk]

After Meyer is canned, what kind of a personality do you think it would take to pull Jacksonville together? I'm thinking someone along the lines of Mike Tomlin who is a level-headed but no nonsense kind of guy. Anybody come to mind?

They have Trevor Lawrence at QB, so I think they go with an Offensive HC and maybe take a chance on Eric Bienemy or Byron Leftwich.
Then they would have a younger HC with a young QB and go from there and both have SB rings to impress a young team.

[NorthHawk]

Maybe Meyer isn't going anywhere at all.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ban-meyer/

[Hawktawk]

I can’t understand Khan at this point . Meyer is a disaster . He is destroying a great young prospect , verbally attacking his coaches asking what they won . I wonder if Bevell said “ Super Bowl 48” you can’t even make up what a tool this guy is . He’s risen to a level of incompetence like many college coaches but in a spectacular fashion . Not a likeable human being .

[NorthHawk]

Maybe he's just waiting until the end of the year when things might settle down.
Some owners like to make decisions after a full season to evaluate before making moves.

[RiverDog]

Maybe he's just waiting until the end of the year when things might settle down. Some owners like to make decisions after a full season to evaluate before making moves.

The problem is that due to the rule changes limiting when teams can talk to other team's coaches, if Khan waits too long, other teams that have fired coaches before Week 17, such as the Raiders, will be able to get a head start. If he's going to fire Meyer this season the best time would be by the 28th of this month, or the beginning of Week 17.

[obiken]

The problem is that due to the rule changes limiting when teams can talk to other team's coaches, if Khan waits too long, other teams that have fired coaches before Week 17, such as the Raiders, will be able to get a head start. If he's going to fire Meyer this season the best time would be by the 28th of this month, or the beginning of Week 17.

River I dont think Meyer is going anywhere this year. Khan put out too much money for Meyer and all this upgrades. The thing I worry about is Lawrence, He does not look like Justin Fields or Jones. Its too early to say he is a bust but IF I was betting my own money I would say he is.

[RiverDog]

The problem is that due to the rule changes limiting when teams can talk to other team's coaches, if Khan waits too long, other teams that have fired coaches before Week 17, such as the Raiders, will be able to get a head start. If he's going to fire Meyer this season the best time would be by the 28th of this month, or the beginning of Week 17.

River I dont think Meyer is going anywhere this year. Khan put out too much money for Meyer and all this upgrades. The thing I worry about is Lawrence, He does not look like Justin Fields or Jones. Its too early to say he is a bust but IF I was betting my own money I would say he is.

That's obviously a possibility, maybe even likely that he keeps him. All I am saying is that if Khan does plan on firing him following this season, that it would make more sense to fire him following their Week 16 game so they can start talking to other team's coaches.

[TriCitySam]

From Jake and Stacy headline rewrites segment:

"Headline #1 - The Jaguars locker room has reportedly turned on Urban Meyer, and Meyer himself has threatened to fire or release anyone leaking information to the media - what is the real headline?"

Stacy Rost: "Urban Meyer's locker room has turned on him, which is a SHOCK for the head coach who has typically only been turned on by college aged women"

[RiverDog]

From Jake and Stacy headline rewrites segment:

"Headline #1 - The Jaguars locker room has reportedly turn on Urban Meyer, and Meyer himself has threatened to fire or release anyone leaking information to the media - what is the real headline?"

Stacy Rost: "Urban Meyer's locker room has turned on him, which is a SHOCK for the head coach who has typically only been turned on by college aged women"

[Hawktawk]

Lol Meyer reports he had 1 on 1 with Khan Monday. I don’t care how much money Khan has but this is not ever going to work . He’s got to fire him doesn’t he ?

[RiverDog]

Lol Meyer reports he had 1 on 1 with Khan Monday. I don’t care how much money Khan has but this is not ever going to work . He’s got to fire him doesn’t he ?

You would think so. It's almost as if Meyer has some embarrassing Polaroids of Khan and a donkey that he's threatening him with.

[RiverDog]

And the hits just keep on coming.....

Urban Meyer is facing yet more media scrutiny for an alleged incident that took place on his Jacksonville Jaguars. And the constant scrutiny is starting to grate on people.

The latest incident is an allegation from former Jaguars kicker Josh Lambo, who claims that Meyer kicked him during a practice and called him names. Lambo said that he later warned Meyer not to do that to him again, and that Meyer got “aggressive” with him for clapping back.

While the incident – ill-intentioned or not – is unlikely to get Meyer into any real trouble, it’s yet another drop in a rapidly filling bucket of things going wrong in Jacksonville. And for Dan Wolken of USA Today, it could be whittling at any safety nets he might have if he leaves.

Wolken took to Twitter and said that each of these stories are reducing the number of college football programs that Meyer might go back to. At this point, he doesn’t believe Meyer will return.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb ... d=msedgntp

[obiken]

River his firing shocks me, I thought for sure Khan would go atleast 2 full drafts with him!! Wow.

[RiverDog]

River his firing shocks me, I thought for sure Khan would go atleast 2 full drafts with him!! Wow.

Like Jim Mora, Meyer had lost the locker room. Losing has a way of doing that. It seemed as if every week, a different story was coming out, making it virtually impossible for Khan to keep sticking his head in the sand. Considering the new rules regarding talking to other team's coaches, it was better to get rid of him before the end of the season so they can start their search for a replacement shortly after Christmas rather than having to wait until mid January.

Meyer had come out of early retirement to coach the Jags, so it will be interesting to see if he decides to go back to the colleges. From what I'm hearing, they won't be storming the gates trying to get to him, that very few, if any, Power 5 schools have any interest in him.

Meyer's short, stormy tenure might affect other team's willingness to reach down to the colleges for their HC openings, meaning that there will be even more motivation for teams to can their HC's before the end of the season.

[obiken]

I dont know River, in college he has won everywhere he has went.

[RiverDog]

I dont know River, in college he has won everywhere he has went.

So had Steve Spurrier, Lou Holtz, Bobby Petrio, Nick Saban, Chip Kelly, Dennis Erickson...the list goes on and on.

Pros are a different monster. They aren't coaching kids barely out of adolescence, they're coaching young adults. Professional players have played for more coaches during their careers than their college counterparts, giving them more styles to compare and contrast. Younger college players are more likely to look at their HC as some sort of fatherly figure while professional players may view them more like one would a boss. With very few exceptions, pro coaches are here today, gone tomorrow, and players know that.

There's other differences. For example, college coaches have to worry about recruiting and booster club appearances, the pros have to worry about player agents and managing a salary cap. But IMO it's the psychological differences in motivational styles that has to be overcome in order for a college coach to make a successful transition to the pros.

[c_hawkbob]

Pro's are a completely different monster, but don't discount what Urban was able to do in the college ranks. He built winners everywhere he went, and for the most part was very well thought of. I'm surprised at his pro tenure, but don't disagree with his firing. You just can't treat pro's like kids. I think he'll go back to retirement.

[Hawktawk]

It’s about leadership and trust and also exs and Os. Winning heals wounds . But pro players often outlast coaches who lack one or more of those qualities . Either that or there just isn’t talent . Meyer checked none of the boxes. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a big time coach be exposed like this in my life . I’ve seen college guys succeed and fail and ours has done both and coaches and motivates like a college coach imo . But Meyer did nothing right beyond sweet talking Khan . It gives Bevfool a 4 game trial. I’d have given it to Schottie but that’s me . Khan needs to listen to smart people . He’s clearly not enough of a football man to pick his coach . Delegate it to a strong competent GM and step back or sell the team . Do the fans a favor .

[RiverDog]

Pro's are a completely different monster, but don't discount what Urban was able to do in the college ranks. He built winners everywhere he went, and for the most part was very well thought of. I'm surprised at his pro tenure, but don't disagree with his firing. You just can't treat pro's like kids. I think he'll go back to retirement.

It's not as if Meyer didn't have his problems in the college ranks. There were some criticisms about the way he managed his teams, that a number of his players, in particular during his time at Florida, had run ins with the law. Here's a list of them:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ ... story.html

According to The New York Times, 41 members of the 2008 Gators have been arrested.

That's about 1/3 of the roster.

Meyer had some health issues that he cited when he first retired after his Florida gig, including a brain cyst that at some point was removed. I'm wondering if some of these health issues might have entered into the equation in his work at Jacksonville, if they might have compromised his ability to deal with stress.

[Hawktawk]

Meyer was fleeing a declining program facing NCAA sanctions . Some said PC did too. But I don’t believe anything Meyer says anymore .

[trents]

Meyer was fleeing a declining program facing NCAA sanctions . Some said PC did too. But I don’t believe anything Meyer says anymore .

I think that is likely true in both cases but probably only one factor in their decisions to move on. I think a lot of these guys sense complacency begin to set in after they achieve success and just feel a need for a new challenge.

[Old but Slow]

We may see a new college major: Coaching Psychology/Analysis of Success. The possibilities bind mongeling.

[RiverDog]

Meyer was fleeing a declining program facing NCAA sanctions . Some said PC did too. But I don’t believe anything Meyer says anymore .

I think that is likely true in both cases but probably only one factor in their decisions to move on. I think a lot of these guys sense complacency begin to set in after they achieve success and just feel a need for a new challenge.

I agree with trents. We had a huge debate over Pete's motivation for taking the Hawks job in 2010, and I still believe that at least a part of it was that he read the writing on the wall and decided to get out of Dodge before the sheriff showed up.

With Meyer, I think it's very likely that he had some health issues that contributed to his decision to retire early, and after the past 3 months, it's hard to imagine anyone jumping back into the fray after what he's been through.

As far as the monetary issues are concerned, I honestly don't know what it would take to justify a 'for cause' termination of an NFL coach, but that I would think that an accusation of kicking a player wouldn't be enough unless they could show that it was a pattern of behavior like it was with Bobby Knight.

[Hawktawk]

I dunno . I’d think verbally harassing a player or coach beyond good tough coaching should be. Definitely putting your hands or feet in this case on a player while swearing and verbally abusing him I would think most definitely . Browbeating his coaches . These are not legal acts in any workplace in America . I’d sure try it if I was Khan .

[RiverDog]

I dunno . I’d think verbally harassing a player or coach beyond good tough coaching should be. Definitely putting your hands or feet in this case on a player while swearing and verbally abusing him I would think most definitely . Browbeating his coaches . These are not legal acts in any workplace in America . I’d sure try it if I was Khan .

Motivational techniques regarded as unacceptable for one occupation could be considered standard operating procedure for another. I'm sure that being a professional football coach falls on the same end of the spectrum as a Marine Corps drill instructor or prison guard at Riker's Island.

Besides, proving it could be extremely difficult. And if it's anything like unjust termination in the workplace where I was employed, the system is heavily weighted towards the employee, and rightfully so IMO.

[trents]

Motivational techniques regarded as unacceptable for one occupation could be considered standard operating procedure for another. I'm sure that being a professional football coach falls on the same end of the spectrum as a Marine Corps drill instructor or prison guard at Riker's Island.

I think that used to be true years ago but I'm not sure anymore. We live in such a snowflake society.

Besides, proving it could be extremely difficult.

Maybe it was witnessed by other players nearby.

[trents]

Do you think Meyer has any remaining value in the media as an analyst? Before he took the job at Jacksonville he was doing the college football "Game Day" on Saturday mornings.

[RiverDog]

Do you think Meyer has any remaining value in the media as an analyst? Before he took the job at Jacksonville he was doing the college football "Game Day" on Saturday mornings.

As a rule, the networks and ESPN try to steer clear of personalities that might even hint of a controversy for their front men (or women), so my guess is probably not. But I wouldn't rule out someplace like the SEC or Big 10 networks.

[trents]

What about Meyer taking on a HC position at a more or less obscure program. He's damaged goods now but others who have fallen from grace like Hugh Freeze, Bobby Petrino and Mike Price took on smaller gigs. Can you see Meyer doing that at some point?

[obiken]

What about Meyer taking on a HC position at a more or less obscure program. He's damaged goods now but others who have fallen from grace like Hugh Freeze, Bobby Petrino and Mike Price took on smaller gigs. Can you see Meyer doing that at some point?

Too many things, its not just MP going to a strip club in Alabama.

[RiverDog]

What about Meyer taking on a HC position at a more or less obscure program. He's damaged goods now but others who have fallen from grace like Hugh Freeze, Bobby Petrino and Mike Price took on smaller gigs. Can you see Meyer doing that at some point?

I'm sure that someone would take him, but I'm not sure how badly he wants to get back into coaching. All I can say is that if it were me, I wouldn't be too anxious to jump back into coaching, at least not as the HC. I'd rather do something a little less high profile, like scouting or some type of analyst.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="trents"
I think that used to be true years ago but I'm not sure anymore. We live in such a snowflake society.

Careful abut pointing fingers. Lots of people of all political persuasions get all worked up about stuff.

What is snowflake about thinking a professional FB coach should not be able to kick a player who is stretching out and not even engaged with him and start swearing at him about his performance. When Lambo objects Meyer replies "I'm the head ball coach I can kick you any Effing time I want Lambo said the guy treated all the ST specialists the same way every time, with some derogatory vulgar slur, never their real name.

I haven't read specifics but listening to Salk and Wyman on the way home the players are unloading by the hour. Its worse than we even know yet. Khan would be a fool not to at least try to recover some of this contract. There's got to be a minimum standard of conduct Meyer clearly hasn't met.

I've felt Meyer was a weasel for a long time, since his jailhouse national championship teams and his flimsy excuses about family time More like barfly time. The defense of bad people on his teams, on his coaching staff. My guess his marketability is pretty well shot for a while. But Leaf has a college TV gig so he'll be back sooner or later.

[trents]

Hawktalk, who was I pointing fingers at? I mentioned no individuals and had none in mind when I typed that. I do not condone what Meyers did to his kicker. It was arrogant and demeaning. All I'm saying is that I believe we live in a culture where too many people see themselves as a victim of some kind and are too easily offended. It was a general statement. When I was in high school in the 1960's there were two husky boys on the football team who picked up one end of the coach's VW Beetle by the bumper during PE class one day. The two boasted they could do it and egged on by the other guys present. They didn't realize the coach had been watching this from the field house window nearby. He came around the corner with a board and whacked them both on the fanny once while they were still holding it up. Everybody roared with laughter. No one was hurt and no one tried that stunt again. No big deal was made of it. If the coach had done that in today's world, the parents of the two boys would have sued the coach and the school and the coach for assaulting a minor and and the coach would have been fired by the school.

[TriCitySam]

Bevell confirms Meyer never returned to practice yesterday afternoon and left the staff to prepare without him. They had no clue where he was ...at least Petrino left a note on the lockers. I assume his folks and the Jags were trying to work out a separation agreement.