Is Lockette a liar?

[Hawktawk]

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2021/11/23/2 ... ne-waldron

Of all the weirdness going on right now this seems to have fallen through the cracks. Lock says were getting schooled on game day due to teams showing us looks we didn't see on film. Says it happened LAST YEAR too. PC has shot it down as has Russ who i heard on ESPN straight up saying its not true "that isn't it "rattling off all the fronts weve seen, how its just execution, everyone runs the same stuff blah blah blah. Lock in my eyes is one of the more underrated receivers in the league and just a quiet guy who sacrifices his body every play. His route running is amazing which would lead me to believe he knows what's happening in stead of what was supposed to happen.

Why would he be saying this and why would PC and RW be so offended? Outcoached? Russ getting fooled pre snap A LOT? Its just another layer of the onion but Lock is no Diva. I take him at his word over people whistling in the graveyard. Lets see who he gets shipped off to.

[NorthHawk]

I don't think this article suggests that Lockett is a liar rather that he's not being listened to.
It also speaks to the lack of in game adjustments required in any game, but if incapable of doing them opposing Defenses will take advantage.
That seems to be a pattern where we have trouble adjusting to what the Defense is giving us and trying to force our game plan on them.
The result is the occasional big play, but often being shut down.

[RiverDog]

I think what Hawktalk is referring to is this from Pete Carroll:

Pete Carroll was just presented with Tyler's theory from last night. Pete's response: "You're assuming that he's right."

That might not qualify as calling someone a liar, but it's a very strong rebuke, especially coming from Pete, who would normally deflect such a question.

[Hawktawk]

Yeah that’s a rebuke , an insult really telling a vet like Lockett that . Interesting how Russ is so dismissive of his security blanket . Lock has made Wilson better with incredible toe tapping grabs and stellar hands . He had half the passing offense last Sunday . If the article you shared is true this is Pete just taking Russe’s side again . Russ said nothing confused him but we see what we see. 20 points and 1 TD last 3 starts you’re confused . I wonder if the defense was just demoralized last week after turning in the kind of effort they gave in Green Bay and having no chance . I hope to be proven wrong as always but this is a trend . I don’t pick losses normally but I like WFTs chances . We’re the second worst team in the conference . I’d rather win games than debates about Wilson and Carroll anyway

[NorthHawk]

It's an uncharacteristic response from the normally "Positive Pete", but he's under a different pressure than he has been in quite a while
so I would expect more like this in the future if we keep losing. He believes in his "system" or "program", but it's now shown to have
some major faults and he's apparently confused as to how to get back on track. So, yeah the "assuming he's right" response fits into
this narrative without being intentionally disrespectful. Pressure affects people in a lot of different ways and we're seeing a side of
Pete that we haven't seen much of before.

[Hawktawk]

Lock got a gruesome leg injury courtesy of a Wilson underthrow vs AZ a few years back and busted his tail in rehab. As I recall we didn't even score on the series from the 1 after he was carted off. I dont think hes ever been quite the same though. I've never heard him criticize anything about this team in his time in the league. It's actually kind of annoying to this fan to see the way he's been treated for his comments.

Assuming it's true who bears most of the blame? Waldron? Russ? PC? I stand with Lockett.

[NorthHawk]

Lock got a gruesome leg injury courtesy of a Wilson underthrow vs AZ a few years back and busted his tail in rehab. As I recall we didn't even score on the series from the 1 after he was carted off. I dont think hes ever been quite the same though. I've never heard him criticize anything about this team in his time in the league. It's actually kind of annoying to this fan to see the way he's been treated for his comments.

Assuming it's true who bears most of the blame? Waldron? Russ? PC? I stand with Lockett.

We've had a number of OC's and the same Offense is run so in my mind the answer is Pete is to blame for the lack of success.
Waldron came from the Rams organization and if he had free reign, i would think we would see an Offense more in tune with them than what we've seen
the last 10 years or so. As well last year we saw Pete step in and squeeze out Schottenheimer, so it's pretty clear to me.

[Klanky]

Things in the Seahawks organization seem to be getting toxic, it’s time for the whole coaching staff to be done, at a minimum… then have the new coaching staff to decide whether to get Wilson out of there as well, they need to start fresh… I don’t have many answers as to which core players need to stay and rebuild with, but things need to change before some of your best players, ie lockett, metcalf… demand , Get me the hell out of here!
Something is massively wrong when the Seahawks lose multiple game as home, heck I remember even when the team was just average or below average, the Seahawks would just destroy teams at home… and play out of there minds, I’ve noticed for about 3 years now that trend has changed where the hfa with the 12 th man, hasn’t been near an advantage that it seem to always be.
Got to the point where they could barely beat teams, and ekkkk out wins at home, to now getting killed on their own turf…

Time for a major overhaul…

[Hawktawk]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/pe ... hp&pc=U531
PC says hes gonna simplify things. Lets see how that goes. I guess assuming hes right to quote pete and Lock says it was happening last year too that eliminates or minimizes Waldrons role. Did it coincide with when Russ hit the wall around midseason last year?

[RiverDog]

It's an uncharacteristic response from the normally "Positive Pete", but he's under a different pressure than he has been in quite a while so I would expect more like this in the future if we keep losing. He believes in his "system" or "program", but it's now shown to have some major faults and he's apparently confused as to how to get back on track. So, yeah the "assuming he's right" response fits into this narrative without being intentionally disrespectful. Pressure affects people in a lot of different ways and we're seeing a side ofPete that we haven't seen much of before.

I don't think that Pete's ever been under this kind of pressure, and it's really beginning to show.

I can recall a Thursday night game in December of 2011, Pete's 2nd year heading for our 2nd consecutive sub .500 season where we won against a very average Philadelphia Eagles club, and how excited Pete was, almost uncontrollable excitement, when in the post game interview he was like a little kid on a sugar high, saying "We're going to build around Tavaris (Jackson)!" He's an extremely excitable, very emotional person, and those types tend to have very deep valleys to go along with their sky high peaks.

This little disagreement between Pete and Lockett is just one more piece of evidence that things are beginning to come apart at the seams, and I'd be worried about Pete's emotional health. He doesn't look or sound good.

[Stream Hawk]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/pete-carroll-announces-change-to-seahawks-offense-amid-recent-slump/ar-AAR60TC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
PC says hes gonna simplify things. Lets see how that goes. I guess assuming hes right to quote pete and Lock says it was happening last year too that eliminates or minimizes Waldrons role. Did it coincide with when Russ hit the wall around midseason last year?

Man what a rough time to be a Seahawk fan. I love Tyler. He is likely totally correct. Like I said in the other thread - Pete & Russ are sleazy car salesman. Or plain liars;)

Happy Thanksgiving all

[RiverDog]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/pete-carroll-announces-change-to-seahawks-offense-amid-recent-slump/ar-AAR60TC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

PC says hes gonna simplify things. Lets see how that goes. I guess assuming hes right to quote pete and Lock says it was happening last year too that eliminates or minimizes Waldrons role. Did it coincide with when Russ hit the wall around midseason last year?

Man what a rough time to be a Seahawk fan. I love Tyler. He is likely totally correct. Like I said in the other thread - Pete & Russ are sleazy car salesman. Or plain liars;)

Happy Thanksgiving all

This ain't nothing compared to the 90's and the Behring years.

As others have said, if it was anyone else besides Lockett, we could pass it off as nothing more than a disgruntled player. Tyler is extremely credible and if he's saying that there's a problem, there's a problem.

And Happy Thanksgiving to you, too! I hope that your increased posting activity continues. You're a good football mind and I enjoy reading your takes.

[I-5]

It’s really not that hard to decide who has more credibility between Lockett, Wilson, and PC. I’ll take Tyler’s word. Wilson and PC seem to be in full denial..especially Wilson who blamed the GB loss on literally 2 throws. I’ve supported Russ ever since Day 1, but I couldn’t believe he said that and expected anyone to believe him.

[RiverDog]

It’s really not that hard to decide who has more credibility between Lockett, Wilson, and PC. I’ll take Tyler’s word. Wilson and PC seem to be in full denial..especially Wilson who blamed the GB loss on literally 2 throws. I’ve supported Russ ever since Day 1, but I couldn’t believe he said that and expected anyone to believe him.

I agree. It's not that PC and Russell are liars, it's that they will ALWAYS give you the glass half full perspective, talk in cliches. Especially with Russell, it's as if he's teaching a Sunday school class.

[Hawktawk]

The more I learn about the game plan for RW vs the packers the more furious I am at RW and more so Carroll . Not only was Russ in shotgun all evening but the run game was limited to plays he could hand off left handed . Can anyone explain why any coach would put that guy out there that short of being ready . It was truly the must win make it break or break game and the results of trying to play an injured qb due to his little dictator demands was obvious . If you have a guy like McGough on the bench I get it . When you have a guy coming off a super clean performance in a big win ? Like I say . Russ didn’t want to see another game of Geno either but it was clearly the best thing for the team and Russell’s health as well. PCs defensiveness and confusion at being unable to score running half an offense was just ignorant sounding . We’re running right all night we’re gonna be in shotgun every play .
Really infuriating . I’m done with both . Time to move on . These guys are so into one another it is hurting the team .

[I-5]

I gotta agree with HT on this one..In hindsight, Geno gave us a much better chance to win in GB. Kudos to him for being a team guy and keeping his mouth shut, but I can only imagine the frustration he felt watching the offense run plays to favor Russ’ not quite healed finger. That’s unconscionable for the coach to let that happen. Of course Pete would have been eaten alive by the RW fan club, so J guess in a way Russ put him on the spot. Either way, it’s not good for the team.

[RiverDog]

Not only was Russ in shotgun all evening but the run game was limited to plays he could hand off left handed .

Is that true? If it is, then I am absolutely on board with what Hawktalk is saying. How do you know that? Did you read it somewhere or are you basing it on your own observation?

[Hawktawk]

Rd I read it in an article . I wish I had the link . I had noticed him doing weird things practicing handoffs before the game . Might explain only 11 handoffs all night . I’ll search around for the actual article .

[Hawktawk]

I gotta agree with HT on this one..In hindsight, Geno gave us a much better chance to win in GB. Kudos to him for being a team guy and keeping his mouth shut, but I can only imagine the frustration he felt watching the offense run plays to favor Russ’ not quite healed finger. That’s unconscionable for the coach to let that happen. Of course Pete would have been eaten alive by the RW fan club, so J guess in a way Russ put him on the spot. Either way, it’s not good for the team.

Yeah that’s my point on Geno in this game . He’s no superstar but he’s the Seahawks backup who has done his job for 3 years without complain and dirt cheap by NFL qb standards. His performance in relief was at worst mediocre and mostly he did a good job keeping us in games . We saw what we saw vs Jax. Looked like a talented qb with 3 weeks of first team reps starting to get hot . Not to beat a dead horse but he proved he could operate the offense just fine and had earned the GB start with Russ as injured as we are now learning . It gets back to the SI article about PC losing credibility with his always compete mantra . It’s phony . He plays favorites . Russ has earned it up to this point but to bet on that horse going forward is fools gold. He’s not who he was anymore . It’s all about Russ .

[RiverDog]

Let me know what you come up with regarding the plays limited to those where Russell only had to use his left hand. Not that I don't believe you, just that I'd like to read it.

Regarding Geno's not complaining, yes, it's admirable, but not unusual. Players know that there's a pecking order when it comes to 10 year starters, and even if they did have some strong feelings, they are usually kept behind closed doors. Geno knows that this is Russell's team.

[Hawktawk]

Let me know what you come up with regarding the plays limited to those where Russell only had to use his left hand. Not that I don't believe you, just that I'd like to read it.

Regarding Geno's not complaining, yes, it's admirable, but not unusual. Players know that there's a pecking order when it comes to 10 year starters, and even if they did have some strong feelings, they are usually kept behind closed doors. Geno knows that this is Russell's team.

I've been digging around , googling round and haven't figured out where I read it. Im a speed reader and this time of year I read a ton of stuff, jump from link to link. It wasn't an article about this particular game but rather a broader overview of the offensive struggles in general. The game is referenced in a sentence saying Russ was in the shotgun all night(PC called it the pistol) and the run game was "limited to plays he could hand off with his left hand". I guess I could sit and run through the tape if I can bear to but it wouldn't surprise me if it's absolutely true. As far as I'm concerned he shouldn't have played if he couldn't take snaps under center and if he truly was given the ball knowing he wasn't going to hand off with the right hand either its completely ridiculous and explains being shut out.

I recall postgame both he and PC being super defensive about it, PC saying it was just a precaution to have him in pistol all night so he "didn't have to take that pounding all night" blah blah blah. Russ said he "could have been under center if necessary".
News flash guys. It was necessary. If your going to beat the green bay packers you need to be able to do everything or Geno was the better option.

And once more. The post game tweet "Id like to vent but it isn't safe' Geno took it down quickly but he didn't post it by accident either. He knows whose team it is in normal circumstances but it should have been his start and my bet is a lot of players aren't happy about how its been handled, not just Geno. I think his little tweet was for more people than just him, just like Locks comments. To his credit hes been tight lipped since. This thing is about one more bad loss from being the rats abandoning the sinking ship, truly ugly.