'Zona is #1 --

[jshawaii22]

According to NFL Red Zone, due to the losses in the early window, our game against the Cardinals has the Cards as the #1 seed. Maybe a temporary position! Go Hawks.

... but they continue to look like a high school team against the pros.

[Hawktawk]

Good lord it’s hard to watch

[Hawk Sista]

Did anyone else think that should have been a safety? The offensive player lost control of the ball and regained it in Jamal’s grasp in the end zone.

[Hawktawk]

Should have been PI vs Metcalf in enddone if you’re giving it to green . Refs blow but they aren’t gonna do favors fir a terrible team and we are . We are an awful team

[obiken]

yup ME!

[obiken]

Our defense is getting picked apart 6 yards at a time!

[obiken]

We're lucky to be down by only 7!

[Hawk Sista]

I’m not saying the 2 points would have helped much, but it was a safety.

[Hawktawk]

I’m not saying the 2 points would have helped much, but it was a safety.

I agree

[Hawktawk]

Russ should be pulled .the hand isn’t right . Is this who we are gonna get now with an inaccurate pass in critical moments ?

[Aseahawkfan]

Damn. We are not good.

[Hawktawk]

This offense under Russell Wilson has put up 20 points in the last 12 quarters and it’s time for a conversation . Is this what we are gonna do for 7 more games ?

[Hawk Sista]

We have not been good on offense since halftime in week 2 against the titans. They’ve had a few solid moments, but RW wasn’t playing RW ball well before the finger. My gut tells me that he put the weight of the world on his shoulders with his off season BS. I’m less worried about this goner of a season and more concerned about what it all means going forward. Will DK want out? RW traded? Dunno. Distressing for sure.

[trents]

Russ missed several dink and dunk passes that would have kept drives going but instead resulted in three and outs. Not sure whether the finger is still bothering him or he's just still rusty or some of both. I wonder if it would have been better to put Smith in the past two weeks and give Russ' finger more time to heal.

Defense could not get Zona off the field. Time of possession way skewed.

On a positive note, old reliable Tyler Locket continued to produce. He reminds me a lot of Doug Baldwin in being able to find seams in the coverage, good hands and a knack for knowing how to use a small body to get good position.

The Hawks seem to be relying almost totally on big down field pass plays to move the ball. They cannot sustain drives and this puts tremendous pressure on the defense. It looks bad right now. Time for Pete to go. Time for a fresh vision. Pete is no longer providing effective leadership.

But let's give credit where credit is due. Zona is probably the best team in the NFL right now. They are quality on both sides of the ball and McCoy was superb in managing the offense tonight.

[Hawktawk]

We have not been good on offense since halftime in week 2 against the titans. They’ve had a few solid moments, but RW wasn’t playing RW ball well before the finger. My gut tells me that he put the weight of the world on his shoulders with his off season BS. I’m less worried about this goner of a season and more concerned about what it all means going forward. Will DK want out? RW traded? Dunno. Distressing for sure.

I agree. I haven’t forgotten the Rams playoff game when Russ was 11-29 with a pick 6. He never used to sit on the sidelines by himself either . He was always slapping helmets and getting people up. The whispers about Russ are getting louder .

[RiverDog]

None of us know with any degree of certainty whether or not Russell's finger is hindering his performance. As Sis noted, he hasn't played a complete game since the 1st half of the Titans game in Week 2.

As for where do we go from here? We keep playing to win and use the remaining games to evaluate our talent. It's going to be interesting, as since we appear to be on a runaway train approaching a washed out bridge, what's the train wreck going to look like? Will Pete survive? Will Russell demand to be traded? Will we blow up the roster?

I said it in another thread, but this is by far the worst Pete Carroll coached Seahawks team and as it stands now, one of the worst in franchise history. If we eliminate the expansion years, ie the Jack Patera era, this team's winning percentage of .300 is exceeded by just 2 teams as the worst in franchise history:

1992 2-14 (.125)
2008 4-12 (.25)

Even the dreadful Mora year, at 5-11 and .3125, had a better winning percentage than what our 2021 edition has put together after our first 10 games. That's how bad this team is.

[Hawk Sista]

We have been treated for about 20 years of pretty good football (save a few seasons). Who knows what will happen, though implosion feels possible. This is a rough season indeed.

[RiverDog]

We have been treated for about 20 years of pretty good football (save a few seasons). Who knows what will happen, though implosion feels possible. This is a rough season indeed.

Yup.

And it's likely to get worse before it gets better. Our next opponent, WFT, has won their last two in a row, including a 29-19 rout of the defending champion Bucs. After that, we get the Niners, who destroyed the Rams two weeks ago and the Jags today and are playing their best football in two years. Then we play the Texans, who embarrassed the Titans today, after which we get the Rams. There's only two teams in our last 7 games to play that if they were to be played next week we'd be favored to win (Bears and Lions).

[TriCitySam]

We have been treated for about 20 years of pretty good football (save a few seasons). Who knows what will happen, though implosion feels possible. This is a rough season indeed.

We've had a good run, but RW hasn't really played well the past season and a half. Its not all on him, but we've just struggled. I believe our parts are better than our combined effort.

Pete's obviously more frustrated than at any point in his career - walking out on his presser is very un-Pete. He did come back and finish, but it's not good. There are no easy answers. I still feel our OL and DL are core issues.

[RiverDog]

Pete's obviously more frustrated than at any point in his career - walking out on his presser is very un-Pete. He did come back and finish, but it's not good. There are no easy answers. I still feel our OL and DL are core issues.

Wow, did Pete really walk out on the presser? That's very out of character for him.

And I agree, our problems begin and end with the status of our lines. They've been ignored for a long time, and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

[c_hawkbob]

I still feel our OL and DL are core issues.

Yup. If you can't block and you can't tackle nothing else matters.

[RiverDog]

I still feel our OL and DL are core issues.

Yup. If you can't block and you can't tackle nothing else matters.

Half of football is blocking. The other half is tackling. Everything else is incidental.

I can't remember who that is attributed to, but it's as true in today's game as it has been in the past.

[obiken]

We've had a good run, but RW hasn't really played well the past season and a half. Its not all on him, but we've just struggled. I believe our parts are better than our combined effort.

Pete's obviously more frustrated than at any point in his career - walking out on his presser is very un-Pete. He did come back and finish, but it's not good. There are no easy answers. I still feel our OL and DL are core issues.

So do I TS, he has carried a team that the Oline has been warmed over garbage for 5 years, even during our Championship years our OLine was the only major weakness. 3rd and 10 he gets 2 seconds max to throw the ball before CJones is in on him, because thats what he does.
RW was not happy after last year and we were 12-4!! Imagine what this off season is going to be like! Then there's the defense.
People like HT are starting to make RW the problem, okay then ship him out for 3 first rounders and see what happens. Either way we need to deep six our DC, HC, and have a complete tear down with new more inexpensive guys, and I dont see Russ sticking around for that. We can all agree this season is over.

[obiken]

Pete's obviously more frustrated than at any point in his career - walking out on his presser is very un-Pete. He did come back and finish, but it's not good. There are no easy answers. I still feel our OL and DL are core issues.

So do I TS, he has carried a team that the Oline has been warmed over garbage for 5 years, even during our Championship years our OLine was the only major weakness. 3rd and 10 he gets 2 seconds max to throw the ball before CJones is in on him, because thats what he does.
I could almost take back my apology to River, I think its safe to say we rushed Russ back too soon. However, RW was not happy after last year and we were 12-4!! Imagine what this off season is going to be like! Then there's the defense.
People like HT are starting to make RW the problem, okay then ship him out for 3 first rounders and see what happens. Either way we need to deep six our DC, HC, and have a complete tear down with new more inexpensive guys, and I dont see Russ sticking around for that. We can all agree this season is over.

[obiken]

Yup. If you can't block and you can't tackle nothing else matters.

Yup, thats what Lombardi used to say. I had friend that was a friend of Madden's. He, John Robinson, and Madden, all hung around the same pool hall as kids. I asked him coach, IF you were to build a team would it on the Offensive line or the Defensive line? Cbob, he said Oline. I was young and I incredulously said, but coach, if you can stop anybody your not doing anything. He calmly said, yeah but if you cant block your not going anywhere!! Man 40+ years later CB, all I can say is: Man was he ever right!

[Hawktawk]

RW was not happy after last year and we were 12-4!! Imagine what this off season is going to be like! Then there's the defense.
People like HT are starting to make RW the problem, okay then ship him out for 3 first rounders and see what happens. Either way we need to deep six our DC, HC, and have a complete tear down with new more inexpensive guys, and I dont see Russ sticking around for that. We can all agree this season is over.

Obi RD and myself and a few others called the 12-4 record "hollow" because it didn't feel like a 12-4 team, especially the way they got rolled up at home in the playoff with Russ going 11-29 with a pick 6. They are 3-7 since that game.

Russ is 2-6 his last 8 starts. Or I should say hawks are 2-6 his last 8 starts and he has played dreadfully in key moments in those losses. Since returning from injury he has thrown the ball far worse than ever before in terms of velocity and accuracy. Is this gonna improve or do we have a guy with Cam Newton accuracy now? He's not reading the field either. The one critical series he sails an open Everett by 3 feet then completely missed seeing a wide open Swain in the end zone and just threw it away to the rain of the boo birds. Is it Russ? Is it the line? Lines not great. He's 2-6 last 8 games though and non competitive in several of them.

He was the second best QB on the field yesterday. Colt McCoy's numbers yesterday were better than Russ last 2 games put together. Kirk Cousins hung up 34 points on the immovable object that shut out Seattle a week ago BTW. And do you really think the Russ Wilson we have seen play the last 12 games at least is going to command 3 first rounders? All I know of our line is the last time someone other than Russ lined up behind them they looked just fine. Russ aint Russ, not even close and its exposing all the other weaknesses.

[RiverDog]

And do you really think the Russ Wilson we have seen play the last 12 games at least is going to command 3 first rounders? All I know of our line is the last time someone other than Russ lined up behind them they looked just fine. Russ aint Russ, not even close and its exposing all the other weaknesses.

Not now. Russell's trade value is dropping like a rock. That's one reason why we have to continue to trot him out there even if we're mathematically eliminated, in the hope that he can improve his play and raise his stock in the event he decides that he wants out.

I just saw the presser where Pete walked out. All I can say is wow. Even in the aftermath of Super Bowl 49, he wasn't that dejected. Pete's always been very gentlemanly in the public and taken criticism very well, as well as any head coach in any sport that I've followed close up.

We're not mathematically eliminated and won't be for a number of weeks. We're still just two games out of the wild card race as the current #6 and #7 seeds have .500 records. But the number of teams that are ahead of us this far into the season is incredible. The Vikings, Saints, and 49'ers are all 5-5 while the Eagles and Panthers are 5-6, WFT and the Falcons are 4-6, the 3-6 Giants play tonight, and the 3-7 Bears have the same record as we do. The only team in the entire conference with a worse record than us is the winless Lions.

We're on MNF next week. If that one goes badly and we get embarrassed, it wouldn't surprise me to see something major happen.

[Hawktawk]

Wow MNF!!! The league is ruing all the prime time games they gave the seaturds. We will see another well coached team with a young 1-B QB, getting hot at the right time. I have zero faith in this regime to get another win period with the current cast of players and scheme. Like you say when the affable likeable cheerful Caroll walks out of the presser its rock bottom.

[RiverDog]

Wow MNF!!! The league is ruing all the prime time games they gave the seaturds. We will see another well coached team with a young 1-B QB, getting hot at the right time. I have zero faith in this regime to get another win period with the current cast of players and scheme. Like you say when the affable likeable cheerful Caroll walks out of the presser its rock bottom.

We have another Prime Time game in the following week when we host the 49'ers on SNF, although that one could get flexed in favor of Denver at KC, Chargers at Cincy, or Baltimore at Shitsburg, all of those teams still very much in the playoff hunt.

Yesterday was the first evidence that I've seen that Pete is beginning to wear down and may decide to hang it up. For his own health, I hope he does. The type of stress he's putting himself through is not good on a 70 year old heart.