Russ vs rogorona super spreader bowl

[Hawktawk]

I’ve never seen a match between the 2 with more questions . Russ with a repaired middle finger on his moneymaker . Rodgers stamina ? Frame of mind ? As my son pointed out Rodgers has always been a snide a hole who doesn’t care so I doubt it will affect him mentally at all. Perhaps it will motivate him . As I’ve said Russ has left unanswered questions in my mind before the injury . It’s critical in this game to score and also change field position if you don’t . Then there is the Heath of each man . Having had Covid I know even after ten days there’s more aches and pains . Cold air hurts your lungs for a few days . Fatigue is still an issue . Then Russ. There’s a big difference between wearing a red jersey in practice and dealing with guys who are gonna tomahawk chop exactly what your problem is . I checked the weather . It’s currently 32 and light snow at lambeau . It will be under the lights by the second quarter . Injuries don’t like cold weather . Corona recovery does got either . Green Bay has a legit defense but I think ours is greatly improved . I can’t pick us to lose . I’ll say 24-21 Rodgers a pick and fumble .

[c_hawkbob]

Russ and Aaron head to head has always gone to the home team, every single time. I hope that changes but I doubt it.

[Hawktawk]

They could easily be 6-2 in the last 8 between the NFC championship and the Golden Hail Mary otherwise known as the fail Mary . Russ has generally not played well enough to be competetive in Green Bay . As I recall we stormed back in the divisional but elected to punt on 4th down near midfield and Rogers iced it with a clutch throw to Graham . Russ was erratic prior to getting hurt . I really would not bet a cent on either team . Seattle’s gotta have it worse . It’s now or next year and they know it .

[RiverDog]

This morning, it was snowing and they had the field covered with a tarp. Russell doesn't have a great cold weather record, and he's coming off an injury. It doesn't look good, but who knows. Defense has been playing well lately, if we can keep it close going into the 4th quarter, then maybe.

[Hawktawk]

This morning, it was snowing and they had the field covered with a tarp. Russell doesn't have a great cold weather record, and he's coming off an injury. It doesn't look good, but who knows. Defense has been playing well lately, if we can keep it close going into the 4th quarter, then maybe.

Theres been lots of upsets lately . I’ll keep the faith till I see otherwise

[RiverDog]

This morning, it was snowing and they had the field covered with a tarp. Russell doesn't have a great cold weather record, and he's coming off an injury. It doesn't look good, but who knows. Defense has been playing well lately, if we can keep it close going into the 4th quarter, then maybe.

Theres been lots of upsets lately . I’ll keep the faith till I see otherwise

Oh, I haven't lost faith. Just being realistic.

You're right about the upsets, the most recent of which is WTF beating Brady and the Bucs this morning.

[jshawaii22]

After the first 4 'drives' (I say that loosely) We have a better chance with Geno today. The early long throw to Lockett fluttered, only the throws to Everett seems close to normal, so to me Russ can't throw with his damaged grip finger and especially in cold weather.

[Hawktawk]

After the first 4 'drives' (I say that loosely) We have a better chance with Geno today. The early long throw to Lockett fluttered, only the throws to Everett seems close to normal, so to me Russ can't throw with his damaged grip finger and especially in cold weather.

I have to agree.

[RiverDog]

After the first 4 'drives' (I say that loosely) We have a better chance with Geno today. The early long throw to Lockett fluttered, only the throws to Everett seems close to normal, so to me Russ can't throw with his damaged grip finger and especially in cold weather.

It's not THAT cold, about 35 degrees and dry.

But you're right, whether it's his finger bothering him or something else, Russell doesn't look right. Rodgers doesn't look all that sharp, either. Defensive struggle, which plays in our favor.

[jshawaii22]

RD, 35 is very, very cold to me. Double blanket and a jacket weather. And it's all on the D today. They do seem to be playing inspired and keeping the team in the game.

[c_hawkbob]

3-0 is an acceptable halftime score, especially considering the officiating.

Russ looked like he's not completely healthy yet, but seems to be throwing better toward the end of the half. No way I'd sit him for Geno, no way.

[RiverDog]

RD, 35 is very, very cold to me. Double blanket and a jacket weather. And it's all on the D today. They do seem to be playing inspired and keeping the team in the game.

I don't put my gloves on until it's in the 30's.

Strange season. Early on, it was the defense that was letting this team down, now it's the offense's turn to stink.

[Oly]

Like RD, I had given up on the season before today's game. And let me just say...I'm really glad I did. This is not just "not a good team." This is a bad team. Russ didn't look great, but Pete got out-coached. Sure, the refs in the first half especially were wearing green and yellow, but even if the Hawks had rightly been given the fumble and if Lewis hadn't been flagged by being trucked, I don't think they would have won.

[I-5]

What a mess of a game...it became obvious by the middle of the 2nd half that Wilson just didn't have it today, whether because of rust or his finger not being healed. Russ has never looked more off in his entire career. If I was Pete, I would have pulled Wilson after that INT in the end zone, which he threw into heavy coverage. At least give your team a chance. The defense played lights out, until they just couldn't hold it anymore. What a waste.

[Hawktawk]

Brutal loss. Russ ran hard but he can’t throw , can’t hit receivers in stride or even hit them at all. We are finished if we are going to go wire to wire with a qb that doesn’t score

[curmudgeon]

Rock. Bottom. Way past time for an intervention…….l

[HawkDawg]

We lost at least two opportunities to get 3 points on the board. Can't remember the last time we've had a goose egg (someone clue me in), but it was literally an insult to injury. Wasn't expecting a win, but wasn't expecting this. Impressed with the D in the first half, but that can only last so long.

[trents]

Russ' couldn't snap off his throws today so short and medium throws were sailing on him. He is noted for putting a lot of air under his deep throws to get them over defenders and into his receiver's hands. But there was too much air under his deep throws today giving time for that second defender to get to the spot and bat the ball away.

Does anyone know the extent of Duane Brown's injury yet? O line was terrible today.

[Hawktawk]

Russ made his line worse than it was holding the ball continuously . The pick in the end zone to DK he had the ball at least 4 seconds .

I’m gonna say it again .Russ isn’t Russ , hasn’t been in a while . Finger or no finger the 2 picks were both balls that should never have been thrown . Terrible . He was not ready to go slick Russ rehab film presentation notwithstanding. Dude acted like he was high or something , lost at times .

So the team whose QB threw 2 tds and rushed for another and scored 31 last game got shut out and wasted an incredible defensive outing . Is there a point where you could see Carroll going to the bullpen ? No I can’t either . It’s the inmate running the asylum . Knox would have sat his ass .

[Aseahawkfan]

The whole team is out of whack right now. Russ is still Russ, but the defense and run game aren't great. But today it was pretty much on the offense. Russ wasn't great in his return.

[I-5]

I was really impressed with our D today...up until that long drive in the 4th quarter. But by then, all those quick series by our offense spelled doom for our time of possession.

[trents]

I was really impressed with our D today...up until that long drive in the 4th quarter. But by then, all those quick series by our offense spelled doom for our time of possession.

I agree. Our D has definitely improved. The play calling is too predictable on offense and has been for a long time.

Didn't see Penny out there today. Is he hurt again? Collins looks like a very good back if he could get some consistent blocking.

[obiken]

The whole team is out of whack right now. Russ is still Russ, but the defense and run game aren't great. But today it was pretty much on the offense. Russ wasn't great in his return.

Right! IF our defensive performance was the norm instead of an aberration, we would all feel good. Like you said, its not. What do we do with Metcalf? I would trade him, either way PC is losing control of him, the Tony Robbins, positive crap is over, its time for him to go too. The problem is who replaces him.

[Hawktawk]

Just saw some of RWs comments . He basically said the game boiled down to 2 bad throws by him . Finger is fine . Did anyone watch the game he described playing ? I saw a guy who was missing open guys by 10 feet several times . Indecisive in the pocket then just literally wind up and throw it up. I thought he was courageous running standing up but the mans hand and mind were not ready .

So here we are . The qb says he’s fine .the eye test says he is not. We have suffered the most embarrassing humiliating loss in 10 years, shut out a game after nearly pitching a shutout and winning 31-7. 2 things changed . Our opponent which is a huge difference obviously but our defense held the team to 3 points for 3 quarters in their own house . What else changed ? If anything the team on offense was as healthy as in a while although brown went down . What’s the other major difference …… someone tell me Russ gave us the best chance yesterday . I’m ready to say the sacreligious thing . Russ isn’t the same guy . Not even close . He really looked similar to how he was playing vs the Rams prior to getting hurt . The few plays before the injury were a 12 yard sack , a pick , a pass thrown off the helmet off a defender almost another pick. The play he was hurt he overthrow a wide open Lockett by 6 feet for a certain TD. Then this injury which sucks and ended an amazing streak but then it’s gone total weirdness . Just kind of a Hollywood rehab, all the slick video production. I’ve pointed out how odd it seemed that Carroll said on Sunday it would be “really close” if Russ could play and Monday Russ and his doctor announced he’s ready in record time ? He’s “ better than before “ in the eyes and words of his doctor . “ hardest worker ever , worst injury ever but it’s better than new “….We learn he rehabbed 19-20 hours a day because he told us.

And again I know I’m gonna get unloaded on so I’m gonna finish downloading and get it off my chest . When he was hurt I found his pre game routine frankly weird and designed to seek attention . Seemed to me instead of a useless pre game routine with a broken hand it would have made sense to just support Geno and let the focus be on the guy starting the game . From the time Russ strapped on the pads here he’s been Houdini , one of the greatest dual threat QBs ever , a pillar of the community . We went places we never dreamed . But all good things ( great in this case )come to an end . The team is 3-6 and Russ has started 4 of them . Russ is 2-4 as a starter . He was shut out in the second half vs the Vikes. He had put up 7 points vs the Rams in 3 quarters and now this . His lone win vs the 9ers in that dreadful span , 4th quarter collapse and dreadful 3 and out -12 yards ending the Titans game and that Frisco game where we were dead for a half before playing a good second half .

Russ is not Russ . I was fascinated by Genos starts , not because they were awesome but because Geno is a competent QB who ran Waldron offense just fine at times . In 2 of his starts he completed over 70% of his passes . His QBR in 3 starts was 102. And this is a journeyman qb at best and by his 3rd start there was film on him . Russ has been the biggest problem with this offense IMO. You can’t have an offense based on timing when the guy pulls off, pulls it down , ignores short routes . Again , I realize what Russ means to Seattle . I just sense an ugly end . Honestly I hope he’s not booed in Seattle but I think he’s done being who he was here , it’s over , never mind after the season . It’s over now .

[obiken]

I would have pulled RW and put in GS in the 2nd half, not that we would have won but we would have not laid a goose egg. I know pulling RW is a non doable.

[RiverDog]

I agree with most of the comments. There were some bright spots, mostly on defense. Tre Brown is really coming into his own. He's developed some very good football instincts. I think he's locked down that right CB position. Reed's been playing better on the left side. Adams finally had a good game. I'm not nearly as concerned about our secondary as I was the first part of the season.

The officiating was horrible, particularly in the first half. But that wasn't a deciding factor. Russell looked really bad, indecisive, missing receivers, threw a horrible pick in the red zone. His stats tell the story: 10-20, 161 yards, 0 TD's and 2 INT's. That could be his worst statistical regular season game of his career. Whether his finger was bothering him more than he's willing to admit or if it's just rust from not having played for a month, he stunk up the place. We would have been better off with Geno.

[Hawktawk]

I would have pulled RW and put in GS in the 2nd half, not that we would have won but we would have not laid a goose egg. I know pulling RW is a non doable.

Russ has been calling the shots a long time in Seattle. He earned the right, with rank comes privilege.But with rank comes responsibility. I agree though, he needed yanked. Belichick had no problem yanking Brady in the middle of a loss to KC and later they won the superbowl. Carrol for all his great qualities is a milquetoast dealing with Russ,always has been. I dont know if he would ever pull him.

Ill go back to when the injury happened. Someone needs to explain to me why Russ was sent out to hand off on 3rd and 10 with a broken bent grip finger. Even worse he was sent back out for 2 handoffs and an incomplete pass 3 and out on the following series with a bent broken finger in a game that went to the wire thanks to Geno. Then last night...Dude completed 50% of his throws and 2 of the worst picks I've seen him throw decision wise. I'd have had Geno in by the 4th quarter for sure. Hes proven he can move the ball.

I see this ending ugly. I didn't see anything last night to give me hope for the offense .

[Hawktawk]

I agree with most of the comments. There were some bright spots, mostly on defense. Tre Brown is really coming into his own. He's developed some very good football instincts. I think he's locked down that right CB position. Reed's been playing better on the left side. Adams finally had a good game. I'm not nearly as concerned about our secondary as I was the first part of the season.

The officiating was horrible, particularly in the first half. But that wasn't a deciding factor. Russell looked really bad, indecisive, missing receivers, threw a horrible pick in the red zone. His stats tell the story: 10-20, 161 yards, 0 TD's and 2 INT's. That could be his worst statistical regular season game of his career. Whether his finger was bothering him more than he's willing to admit or if it's just rust from not having played for a month, he stunk up the place. We would have been better off with Geno.

I had been saying a couple weeks I truly think our D has turned a corner. You couldn't ask any more of them last night. We had another Wilson time of possession night. I think we had 9 minutes the entire first half.

[RiverDog]

I had been saying a couple weeks I truly think our D has turned a corner. You couldn't ask any more of them last night. We had another Wilson time of possession night. I think we had 9 minutes the entire first half.

Your sense was right about our D. They played like a playoff caliber team yesterday and did it against a HOF QB.

We'll see how they do next week. The Cards looked absolutely horrible yesterday against a very pedestrian team in the Panthers, but they've been without Kyler Murray, and he may be back against us. The entire NFL is as whacky as I've ever seen it. Every time you think you see a team that looks dominant, they not only loose, they end up getting b**** slapped by an average or below average team with a no name QB. It happened to Buffalo and Dallas last week, Arizona, Baltimore and Tampa Bay this week.

[obiken]

We'll see how they do next week. The Cards looked absolutely horrible yesterday against a very pedestrian team in the Panthers, but they've been without Kyler Murray, and he may be back against us. The entire NFL is as whacky as I've ever seen it. Every time you think you see a team that looks dominant, they not only loose, they end up getting b**** slapped by an average or below average team with a no name QB. It happened to Buffalo and Dallas last week, Arizona, Baltimore and Tampa Bay this week.

River, I will make a prediction, IF we win next week we might have a chance if not we are done. I know my Chrystal ball sucks this year! OBTW I am on board with getting rid of Metcalf, he's an idiot.

[RiverDog]

River, I will make a prediction, IF we win next week we might have a chance if not we are done. I know my Chrystal ball sucks this year! OBTW I am on board with getting rid of Metcalf, he's an idiot.

Technically we're still in the hunt for a playoff spot, but we're going to have to run off 3 or 4 straight wins in order for me to get back on the bandwagon, and I just can't see how that happens. But who knows. The entire league is a cluster right now.

My motivation for 'getting rid' of Metcalf isn't so much because he's an idiot, it's because I don't believe that a top 5 WR is a necessary component to a Super Bowl contender. We did just fine with guys like Doug Baldwin and Jerome Kearse.

[NorthHawk]

Russ's timing was way off. Not only did he throw behind receivers, but he threw deep balls when the player was open, not before which gave the defenders time to
knock the ball down or intercept. It's probably the only time he's had 3 weeks of not throwing hard, and it showed in his play. I expect him to get better as the rest
of the year continues.
On another note, I didn't see in him the body language of driving to win. The look in his eyes was gone and he looked to me like a player who is resigned to the
idea that it's just not happening here this year. I'm not saying he's giving up, rather I think he's lost the enthusiasm of previous years.
If we look at our Offense, it's just like it was under Bevell and Schottenheimer. To me it means Pete put his stamp on the Offense so Waldron is handcuffed to call
the same type of O we've always seen with Carroll. As a result, I expect even more that this is Russ's last year in Seattle - unless Pete decides to retire first. This
style of Offense simply cannot work without a decent run game. Waldron might have been able to change that, but it looks to me like he's not allowed to.

[Hawktawk]

We ran the ball a total of 15 times and averaged over 4 yards per carry even including the ridiculous decision to insert eskridge and immediately call a jet sweep losing 4 yards on 2nd and 4.

But here’s some fallout . Geno Smith tweeted about 8 pm last night “ I want to vent but it’s not safe” . It was soon deleted . But here we go . I found DKs comments interesting after Jacksonville when Geno zipped him a 50-50 ball for a TD. “ I’ve never had a ball like that “. Granted he’s an immature Jack wagon but also one of the more imposing wideouts in the league.

My question is this . If Russ looks similar to this and really a lot of his play this year is there a point he gets sat down or do we just eat the season ?

[RiverDog]

My question is this . If Russ looks similar to this and really a lot of his play this year is there a point he gets sat down or do we just eat the season ?

If Russell is healthy, he plays. Period.

[Hawktawk]

I agree even if it’s 3-14.

[RiverDog]

I agree even if it’s 3-14.

I detect a bit of sarcasm in that response.

Even if he's slightly impaired, Russell gives us the best chance to win. He is our quarterback.

[NorthHawk]

He's got to get back on track so we can get maximum trade value.

[Hawktawk]

I detect a bit of sarcasm in that response.

Even if he's slightly impaired, Russell gives us the best chance to win. He is our quarterback.

I listened to the ESPN Seattle 710 on the way to work and they are brutal. Fans in Seattle are 2/3rd s in agreement Russ should have been pulled. The commentators called out Russ post game comments about 2 bad throws , about feeling "confident" in a "back and forth game" As for "slightly impaired"? He was shut out!!!!!! You get shut out you have zero chance.

And Ill say it again and then let it go. A busted coverage to Swain being the only play he made the entire second half of the game vs titans, finished off by a DREADFUL 3 AND OUT IN OVERTIME WHERE HE USED TO BE MONEY. Shut out in the second half vs the Vikes after which he went to the podium, and said" were going to score a lot of points, sometimes it seems like we need to score every drive" a clear shot at the defense after not scoring the second half.Then a good half vs the 9ers then 7 points at home in 3 quarters vs the Rams then a shutout.

Again I know its sacrilege. But Russ in the off season made a comment about being tired of being hit so much. And hes playing like it in the passing game. The line isn't great but its not as bad as he makes it look right now. Hes seeing the rush instead of the field. Hes hearing footsteps. Theres a saying in the game called "olding out" to describe qbs who have been hit too many times.. And now the moneymaker right hand is hurt and if this is "healed" can we expect 50% completions and wild misses now?

I think its over.

[NorthHawk]

Pete Ball is the problem.
Trying to keep it close then win at the end doesn't work in today's NFL without a shutdown Defense.
In yesterday's game, that game plan was again predictable and ineffective especially without a dominating run game.
We are actually making ourselves one dimensional and I think the players are frustrated by that.

Our Defense played pretty well, but were just ground down by the constant pressure of a good Offense and solid run game from GB.
We couldn't do the same because we don't have the horses to do so.

[RiverDog]

Pete Ball is the problem.
Trying to keep it close then win at the end doesn't work in today's NFL without a shutdown Defense.
In yesterday's game, that game plan was again predictable and ineffective especially without a dominating run game.
We are actually making ourselves one dimensional and I think the players are frustrated by that.

Our Defense played pretty well, but were just ground down by the constant pressure of a good Offense and solid run game from GB.
We couldn't do the same because we don't have the horses to do so.

I agree that in the long run, Pete Ball is the problem. But yesterday, the most glaring problem was our quarterbacking. If we didn't have a couple of egregiously bad calls go against us, mainly the Rodgers fumble at midfield and the holding penalty against Lewis at the Packers 35 that took away at least one scoring opportunity from us, we're right in that game. But Russell's play, for whatever reason, was way below par. No offense in the world is going to cure the performance problems he had yesterday.