Geno

[Hawktawk]

You say qbs don’t need a rythm then reference basketball players Iverson and Stockton to make the point . I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen OCs call an easy throw to get the qb going . Why do they throw the ball to warm up before coming in ? You really think on a cold wet night 2 straight series without a pass attempt won’t mess with a qb? Especially one whose spent 5 years on the bench ?This one I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Your qb confidence and rythm is more important than your running back and both are important

[c_hawkbob]

You're confusing rhythm with confidence.

[tarlhawk]

Bob Griese did it his entire career. Not a big fan of rhythm, or needing x amount of attempts to find a groove. They said you had to feed Allen Iverson the ball to keep him in the game whereas Jon Stockton only shot when the opportunity presented, AI's career shooting percentage was 42.5%, Stockton's was 51.5.

I can see it for RB's, as defensive teams wear down as a game goes on in the face of a consistent running attack and the payoff increases, but not for a QB.

Before I was a Seahawk fan I was deeply rooted as a Miami Dolphin Fanatic! The Dolphins were a well balanced team and ran very successfully behind Larry Csonka and Mercury Morris w/ Jim Kiick as the "receiving back"...but Griese still passed often enough to stay in rhythm (where confidence and focus soar) throwing to Howard Twilley as his possession receiver...and Paul Warfield as his big breakaway threat and mixed in his TE's Marv Fleming and Jim Mandich. I imagined Chris Carson as a punishing Csonka-type and Rashaad Penny in the Mercury Morris role.

True you hear rhythm mostly attributed to running backs but QB's need rhythm to get their confidence and focus flowing...otherwise you are left with just a "game manager".

[Hawktawk]

The 2005 Seahawks were the ultimate rythm on scedule team I ever saw. On time , in tune , cranking out long drives , few penalties , a well oiled machine . Then came Bill Leavy . Nuff said . Every time they got something going …..rythm can be stopped lots of ways .

Now imagine a backup with limited game experience over 5 years asked to hand off 2 straight drives to backs averaging under 3 ypc.

Rythm is critical to the function of most qbs . Maybe not Russ.

[NorthHawk]

tarlhawk mentioned confidence and I think that's the biggest component of a successful QB.
If he hesitates even with an open receiver, the chances of an incompletion increase. Much like in Golf when you decelerate with your swing and everything goes awry.
Rhythm helps build the confidence and in some Offenses like Holmy's and other WC Offenses, rhythm is an important and maybe the most important part of a successful play.
It's all intertwined with timing. How many times did we hear Walsh and his disciples repeat 3 back steps and fire or 5 steps in the QB dropback for a particular pass pattern.
The ball had to be released on time and in rhythm is the best way to do it.

[c_hawkbob]

For his career Griese attempted just 21 passes per game, in 72 and 73 (their championship years) just 16 1/2. I was a Fins fan before there were Seahawks as well, followed Shula there from my uncle's favorite Baltimore Colts.

[Hawktawk]

Don Shula with that offensive scheme would go nowhere today . Not to mention it’s hard to run and much easier to pass now . 22 total attempts split between 8 handoffs in a row in today’s nfl is ridiculous . If Geno has shown me anything it’s that given time he can be pretty accurate . He has a big arm . He’s not afraid to throw to “ nfl open “ guys although the all pro corners he’s faced have won those balls so far . He will stand in and take a hit , to a fault actually . My point is if I’m coach and I need a win I’m gonna leave no bullets in the chamber . That was a weak game plan Monday .

[tarlhawk]

For his career Griese attempted just 21 passes per game, in 72 and 73 (their championship years) just 16 1/2. I was a Fins fan before there were Seahawks as well, followed Shula there from my uncle's favorite Baltimore Colts.

I loved Don Shula as a coach...strong running game to impose your will on the opponent and a strong defense no doubt helped by an offense that stayed on the field a lot. I was a Dolphin fanatic (living in Pa. I subscribed to the Dolphin Digest to keep up on the team) ...until Jimmy Johnson took over in 1996...I have no respect for a successor who bad mouths the man he replaced saying the game had passed him by and he should have retired years before. I wasn't surprised by a coach who took pot shots at another legend he had replaced in Dallas (Tom Landry) prior to coming to Miami. One of the first things he did in Miami was put Dan Marino "in his place" by calling him a QB Primadona. Dan retired three years later. Miami had two safeties drafted a year apart that reminded me of Earl and Kam...1988 Jarvis Williams (2nd Rd out of Florida) and one year later 1989 Louis Oliver (1rst Rd out of Florida as well)

[Hawktawk]

Jimmy Johnson was the ultimate example of karma. Part of Jerry Jones ruthless dispatching of the legendary Landry . To their credit they fleeced the vikes with Herschel walker and produced a dynasty. But like finding a girl in a bar and losing her in the same bar Johnson learned about trusting Jones . That he went and trashed another legend isn’t surprising though . And he was a failure although I believe he was the coach when Dan Marino won his last game, a wild card game in the kingdome vs Seattle . The following week they lost 63-7 to Jacksonville and Marino retired .

[Hawktawk]

Good for Geno. Sure a couple sacks you wonder if he could avoid but 20-24 for 2 tds and a rush TD, so many nice passes . Good win

[I-5]

Geno (and the line) looked solid today. Hard to really know how much of it is a development from the past few games vs playing the Jags. I guess we'll see in a couple weeks.

[tarlhawk]

The return of Damien Lewis and a big return of Ethan Pocic at center helped solidify the OL and kept communication smooth...Geno could concentrate on executing his passes instead of resetting his pass protection. Lockette and Metcalf can easily exploit a weak pass defense. Only one sack but definite backfield disruption which seldom allowed Lawrence to get comfortable back in his pocket. The team played well as a whole allowing each side of the ball to feed off each other's momentum/energy which allowed Geno to get into a comfortable rhythm.

[NorthHawk]

Good win or maybe beat down is a better description but we still can’t get any push from the OL
when we need it in short yardage.

[RiverDog]

Geno had a solid game yesterday, but it really didn't prove anything with regard to our ongoing debate about him. He did exactly what was expected out of a backup quarterback: Win one out of three of his starts.

So unless he gets more snaps the rest of the year, I'll end my appraisal of him by saying that he's an average backup quarterback that is not starter material. If we are to go into a rebuild next season, which I think is likely, we should not be bringing him back so we can open up a roster spot for a promising prospect.

[Hawktawk]

Geno had a solid game yesterday, but it really didn't prove anything with regard to our ongoing debate about him. He did exactly what was expected out of a backup quarterback: Win one out of three of his starts.

So unless he gets more snaps the rest of the year, I'll end my appraisal of him by saying that he's an average backup quarterback that is not starter material. If we are to go into a rebuild next season, which I think is likely, we should not be bringing him back so we can open up a roster spot for a promising prospect.

Talk about refusing to admit you're wrong. Its putting lipstick on a pig in reverse. Geno played a great game, deadly accurate, stood in a took some big shots, didn't turn it over. an eyelash from a 3 pass TD performance but he punched it in himself. 14 straight to start the game(longest to start a game all year) and they weren't a bunch of dink and dunks either. For the game he averaged 10 yards per completion. 3rd down conversions, perfect TD pass to DK. LMAO.

Why did I expect to read this? The announcers couldn't have disagreed more with your pooh pooh assessment of Geno. for 5 years on the pine he's performed very well unless he should be kicking the ball and catching interceptions too.If Wilson leaves he can start while we build and develop the next franchise guy on my seahawks. Hes not your Geno from the Jets anymore.

[obiken]

River, ASeahawksfan and I agree way more nowadays than we ever did. We just have a minor difference of opinion on Geno Smith, don’t think he’s played well, and I don’t think he’s a good back up, he hasn’t won a game since 2016. Having said that, how many NFL teams could win games if their starter goes down? I would say out of 32, maybe three, and I can’t name the three.
PS, Take the Jaguars and the 3 1/2 this week.

Riv I owe you and ASHF an apology, my crystal ball is obviously broken! As to Geno he didnt look good, he looked great. Come on no doubt Its Jacksonville, but its still the NFL, to complete umpteen passes in a row against anybody is huge.

[RiverDog]

Talk about refusing to admit you're wrong. Its putting lipstick on a pig in reverse. Geno played a great game, deadly accurate, stood in a took some big shots, didn't turn it over. an eyelash from a 3 pass TD performance but he punched it in himself. 14 straight to start the game(longest to start a game all year) and they weren't a bunch of dink and dunks either. For the game he averaged 10 yards per completion. 3rd down conversions, perfect TD pass to DK. LMAO.

Why did I expect to read this? The announcers couldn't have disagreed more with your pooh pooh assessment of Geno. for 5 years on the pine he's performed very well unless he should be kicking the ball and catching interceptions too.If Wilson leaves he can start while we build and develop the next franchise guy on my seahawks. Hes not your Geno from the Jets anymore.

I'm not sure what it is that I was so wrong about that needs fessing up to. Here's what I said before the game:

That's not what he (ASF) said. He didn't say that Geno was a 'good backup', he said that he was performing as one would expect, and I have to agree. Backup quarterbacks lose roughly 2 out of every 3 games when they replace an injured starter, so if Geno wins this Sunday, he's fulfilled that expectation.

I'm not so sure we'll have a clear picture (of Geno). The Jags are one of the worst teams in the league with the 30th ranked defense, it will be a home game, and the weather is going to be ideal. If Geno does well, it's not going to prove much other than he can beat one of the worst teams in football under perfect conditions. If he does another face plant, no excuse you can conjure up will be able to paint a smiley face on him.

And that's exactly what Geno did. He no doubt played well and I'm not taking anything away from him, but one has to footnote it by including what I said in my earlier remarks about the competition and playing conditions. He's an average backup, no more, no less. Nothing I saw, either yesterday or in prior attempts, would make me want him as our QBOTF should Russell decide to leave us.

[Agent 86]

I was pretty hard on Geno after the Monday nighter, and I stand by that. The stench from that game still outweighs his performance from yesterday. He was facing a pretty stout Defense in the Saints and his O-line didn't help him, I will give him that.

But I will eat some crow, he played great coming off a tough week. He can no doubt feel alot better about himself and I certainly didn't expect him to play that well. Must feel good for him as I imagine he wore that Monday night loss all week, knowing his opportunity to showcase himself was failing. So good on ya Geno.

I will leave it at that and won't give the proverbial "but......", I'll enjoy this one and see what happens in 2 weeks.

[RiverDog]

I was pretty hard on Geno after the Monday nighter, and I stand by that. The stench from that game still outweighs his performance from yesterday. He was facing a pretty stout Defense in the Saints and his O-line didn't help him, I will give him that.

But I will eat some crow, he played great coming off a tough week. He can no doubt feel alot better about himself and I certainly didn't expect him to play that well. Must feel good for him as I imagine he wore that Monday night loss all week, knowing his opportunity to showcase himself was failing. So good on ya Geno.

I will leave it at that and won't give the proverbial "but......", I'll enjoy this one and see what happens in 2 weeks.

Russell should be back at the helm in 2 weeks, so this might have been Geno's last hurrah. I doubt that his cumulative performance over the past 3 games is going to be good enough for a team to give him a shot at a starting job, but who knows. And you're right about Geno's self esteem. He's received scathing reviews in the past 3 weeks so this has to have been good for his ego. Good for him!

[TriCitySam]

Kudo's to Geno - it was a great effort. Completing 14 in a row was more than you could expect from a backup, even though it's the Jags - no one else has. He lost by 3 points to the Saints - who just beat Brady - and Myers missed 2 field goals, and lost by 3 to the Steelers. So, even though I've been critical of him for holding the ball too long - he wasn't that far off from winning 3.

[Hawktawk]

I looked up Genos stat line for 2021. In a quarter vs the Rams and 3 starts he has thrown for 700+ yards 5 tds and rushed for another . He’s thrown at least one TD pass in every game and was a foot from a 3 TD pass day yesterday but finished it himself taking a huge shot in the face in the process. He threw the one pick when Lock got tied up and fell vs the Rams and that’s it for a guy who threw a pick almost every game in New York. My legitimate criticism is that he holds the ball a bit too long and takes sacks but again Russ takes more sacks than anyone so maybe it’s the blocking scheme . Vs Pittsburgh Seattle could not block watt at any point and he ultimately stripped Geno to end the game but Geno still completed over 70% of his passes . Yesterday his QBR was 128 with a completion percentage around 80% with absolute perfect dimes in stride in guys hands . His QBR for 2021 is at 102 for 4 appearances . The commentators yesterday called him a starter quality backup. To be fair when Russ went down and Geno came in on the 2 I about turned it off that’s what I thought of Smith. I remember the guy with the skater hat and possee getting laid out by a linebacker in the locker room to end his time in NY. The guy who
Looked terrible in his one start as a giant replacing a legend . But from that Rams game on I’ve been a believer . Last week was tough but he didn’t turn it over to a defense that turned over the GOAT on short rest .

Yeah if Russ leaves I’m at least keeping Geno as a bridge . He’s cheap . He’s 2 years younger than Russ. He’s also not taken the pounding for 5 years . He’s obviously matured greatly and had to be preparing like crazy to replace a guy who never goes down and leaves you on the 2 no less.

I’m a fan , a believer. Happy to see the young man get some redemption

[NorthHawk]

He’s too inconsistent to be a full time QB, but is serviceable for a few games here and there.
His biggest problem is he crumbled under pressure.

[Hawktawk]

FYI the terrible Jags are tied 6-6 with the sexy super bowl pick bills late third quarter .

[Hawktawk]

Update the jags beat the bills 9-6. Does anyone think our performance last week and in a few of these close losses is a bit more respectable ?

[RiverDog]

Update the jags beat the bills 9-6. Does anyone think our performance last week and in a few of these close losses is a bit more respectable ?

Not really. Just another upset. Denver beat the hell out of the Cowboys on the road today. No one saw that one coming, either.

[Hawktawk]

Jags won 2 of last 3 including beating the AFC East leaders and stuffing Josh Allen . Held them out of the end zone after Geno lit them up like a Christmas tree. Pittsburg is on its way to a 4 th win in a row. The Saints won against Brady before losing their Qb. The Titans are a threat to win the conference strictly because of the coach and did the rest of the division a big favor making Stafford look like Detroit Stafford , one of 7 upsets over the weekend . I’m re rating what was called an easy stretch of our schedule . Maybe we’re closer than we think . It’s clear Geno deserved a little credit for his play .

[RiverDog]

Jags won 2 of last 3 including beating the AFC East leaders and stuffing Josh Allen . Held them out of the end zone after Geno lit them up like a Christmas tree. Pittsburg is on its way to a 4 th win in a row. The Saints won against Brady before losing their Qb. The Titans are a threat to win the conference strictly because of the coach and did the rest of the division a big favor making Stafford look like Detroit Stafford , one of 7 upsets over the weekend . I’m re rating what was called an easy stretch of our schedule . Maybe we’re closer than we think . It’s clear Geno deserved a little credit for his play .

I don't think there's a lot of conclusions that you can draw from anybody's SOS one way or another. The entire AFC is a mess, with the lowly Dolphins beating the almighty Bills, the two time defending conference champs Chiefs struggling to stay above .500, and the darlings of the AFC North Bengals getting upset by the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets.

In our conference, The Saints b**** slapped the Packers on the road in their opener then promptly lose to the Panthers, beat the Patriots, then lose to the lowly Giants, the Cowboys not only lost last weekend, but got completely dominated at home against the Broncos, 30-0 in the 4th quarter before garbage time, and Mathew Stafford throwing two game changing picks in back to back series facing a Henry-less Titans team.

Try participating in our Pick-um league and see just how hard it is to pick winners and losers. It's been a season of upsets. I was 6-8 last week.

[Hawktawk]

I haven’t done leagues in decades . As for the weekend games I watched Denver just go back to the leather helmet no face mask era and stuff the # 1 offense and trample an opportunistic big play defense . Watched the Rams look ordinary to bad but against the best coach in the league. Azs win surprised me without Murray or Hopkins . We will see soon enough . I don’t think it’s as bleak as I thought when Russ went down .

[RiverDog]

I haven’t done leagues in decades . As for the weekend games I watched Denver just go back to the leather helmet no face mask era and stuff the # 1 offense and trample an opportunistic big play defense . Watched the Rams look ordinary to bad but against the best coach in the league. Azs win surprised me without Murray or Hopkins . We will see soon enough . I don’t think it’s as bleak as I thought when Russ went down .

The problem isn't our predicament as much as it is that there's a whole log jam of teams still in the hunt for the playoffs, and one or two are bound to catch fire and run off 5 or 6 straight wins. There's only two of the 16 teams in the NFC that have fewer wins than we do. I'm not predicting doom and gloom, but that's a lot of teams that we have to climb over. Indeed, we have a 22% chance of making the playoffs. Realistically, we'll need to go 6-3 the rest of the way, and that means winning 2 out of 4 games with the Packers, Rams, and Cards, of which only one of those games are at home.

It's for this reason that I don't get too involved in looking at playoff scenarios until after Thanksgiving weekend. We'll see how it goes this Sunday on the frozen tundra. If we win there, then I'll jump back on the bandwagon with you. But I hate getting my hopes up only to realize that someone has played a cruel joke on me. It's like getting drunk on Saturday night and going home with a 2am princess, only to look at her the next morning then try to get out of the house without waking her up.

And BTW, I wish you would have joined our Pick-um league. Even though I'm doing poorly this season, it's still very entertaining and not nearly as high maintenance as fantasy football.