Rodgers out with the Rona

[Stream Hawk]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/325 ... ource-says

And he's unvaxxed, of course. He is out this week against the Chiefs. Looks like he will be in doubt to miss our matchup on the 14th if he has any symptoms.

[I-5]

The fact he wasn't vaxxed is genuinely surprising.

[NorthHawk]

I thought he was one of the brighter players in the league, but he's just proven he's an idiot.
Now he's negatively affecting his team.

[RiverDog]

The fact he wasn't vaxxed is genuinely surprising.

Wow, that's huge! They're in a fight with 5 other teams for HFA and a first round bye, one of whom they've already lost to, and have a big game at KC this weekend. This could be a season changer for them.

The article said that Rodgers had an "alternate treatment" prior to training camp but that the league rejected his petition and considers him the same as an unvaccinated player. The issue has exploded over social media as apparently Rodgers gave people the impression that he was vaccinated and hasn't been following league protocols for unvaccinated players. From the attached article:

"But like I (Rodgers) said, there's been people that have tested positive, and I think it's only vaccinated people here (with the Packers)".

Criticism of Rodgers poured in Wednesday after it became apparent that he had deceived the public about his vaccination status. Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk noted that Rodgers didn’t wear a mask while on the sidelines during the preseason—even though wearing one is required for unvaccinated players. “It means that he was deliberately and flagrantly violating COVID policies to create the impression that he’s vaccinated,” Florio wrote.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasre ... e3506c5e26

[RiverDog]

I thought he was one of the brighter players in the league, but he's just proven he's an idiot. Now he's negatively affecting his team.

Yeah, and add that to his very public spat with the Packers this past post season that resulted in him asking to be traded. I'm wondering how the Cheese Heads are handling this.

[I-5]

Yeah, and add that to his very public spat with the Packers this past post season that resulted in him asking to be traded

So was he public about asking to be traded, or is that what insiders were just saying? I'm never sure what to actually believe anymore. For me, I need to hear his agent or the player himself say it. I know he had issues with the way the team was run, but...

Anyway, sorry to sidetrack.

[RiverDog]

Yeah, and add that to his very public spat with the Packers this past post season that resulted in him asking to be traded

So was he public about asking to be traded, or is that what insiders were just saying? I'm never sure what to actually believe anymore. For me, I need to hear his agent or the player himself say it. I know he had issues with the way the team was run, but...

Anyway, sorry to sidetrack.

I shouldn't have said "very public". But there was a lot of information coming out of a variety of sources and Rodgers skipped all the team activities in the offseason so it's pretty clear that something was going on.

[Stream Hawk]

What’s crazy is his team actually looks super stacked right now. Not sure what his gripe with upper management was in the first place. They looked like the better team against Arizona - minus their top two receivers. The guy is completely selfish and should probably just call it quits because his heart isn’t in it.

[I-5]

I shouldn't have said "very public". But there was a lot of information coming out of a variety of sources and Rodgers skipped all the team activities in the offseason so it's pretty clear that something was going on.

That's my problem...'a lot of information' without player or agent actually confirming anything just adds more cloudiness to the story. Players skip activities for many different reasons, so yeah none of that ever seemed clear to me. It's still not clear tbh. Doesn't matter now during the season anyway.

[RiverDog]

There's a lot of stuff flying around social media as to why Rodgers was allowed to do press conferences while not wearing a mask. NFL protocols call for unvaxxed players to wear masks anytime they are indoors:

Sources said Rodgers follows masking protocols while interacting with players and coaches inside the team's headquarters at Lambeau Field. However, Rodgers does not wear a mask while in the media auditorium during his weekly and postgame news conferences. The Packers have put other unvaccinated players on Zoom instead of at in-person media sessions.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/325 ... ource-says

Sounds like a pretty clear case of a double standard being applied to star quarterbacks.

[c_hawkbob]

Sounds like a pretty clear case of a double standard being applied to star quarterbacks.

Exactly so. I hope fines for both Rodgers and the Packers will be forthcoming.

[Aseahawkfan]

Would have been nice if this was for our game against them.

I doubt he gets serious symptoms. He'll probably do his 10 days and be back to crush us. Green Bay hates us.

[RiverDog]

Would have been nice if this was for our game against them.

I doubt he gets serious symptoms. He'll probably do his 10 days and be back to crush us. Green Bay hates us.

He has to go into quarantine for 10 days, which means he can't practice with the team until the Saturday before the game with us.

It will be a good test for Jordan Love, a QB that the Packers selected in last year's draft that caused Rodgers to get his briefs in a wad. He'll be starting against KC.

[Aseahawkfan]

He has to go into quarantine for 10 days, which means he can't practice with the team until the Saturday before the game with us.

It will be a good test for Jordan Love, a QB that the Packers selected in last year's draft that caused Rodgers to get his briefs in a wad. He'll be starting against KC.

Rodgers needs practice with the team like you needed practice at your job before you retired. That man will be ready for us with a whole lot of energy.

[NorthHawk]

According to PFT, he never said he was vaccinated, but said he was “Immunized”. According to
them he had some type of alternative procedure that led him to give the impression he was vaccinated.
The Packers should have known and he broke all the NFL demanded protocols like not wearing a mask
on the sidelines or in after game press conferences.
I wonder how the league will respond to this. If it’s not a substantial response it sends a message to others
and to teams that they aren’t serious and others will try to take advantage of his precedent.

[Hawktawk]

He should be suspended . What a scandal . Right up there with the legend of Joe Cool testing positive for Bolivian marching powder before the big game . This is as bad for the league as Rodgers . Frankly I hope he gets real sick and pays the price for being a complete liar . Not about the hawks game but what goes around comes around

[jshawaii22]

Considering what the NFL did with Brady over "air". This should be 4 games and a few million to the team for allowing it. Of course it could of been Goodell all along as its golden boy Rodgers and not just any player.

[RiverDog]

According to PFT, he never said he was vaccinated, but said he was “Immunized”. According to
them he had some type of alternative procedure that led him to give the impression he was vaccinated.
The Packers should have known and he broke all the NFL demanded protocols like not wearing a mask
on the sidelines or in after game press conferences.
I wonder how the league will respond to this. If it’s not a substantial response it sends a message to others
and to teams that they aren’t serious and others will try to take advantage of his precedent.

The story was that Rodgers had petitioned the league to consider him the same as vaccinated due to his "alternative treatments", meaning something like herbs and/or vitamins. According to the story, that proposal was rejected by the league.

IMO the Packers need to lose a draft choice over this and Rodgers a 4 game suspension. They clearly had to have known that Rodgers was not vaccinated.

[obiken]

He has to go into quarantine for 10 days, which means he can't practice with the team until the Saturday before the game with us.
It will be a good test for Jordan Love, a QB that the Packers selected in last year's draft that caused Rodgers to get his briefs in a wad. He'll be starting against KC.

River, What if he has it? It could be 14-21 days before he is okay. Talk about a break for US, the Packers who have been saying all a long that he is all about himself, and for Jordan Love, if he is actually worth a 1st rounder. The Packers could lose home field to the Rams and/or the Bucs, which could be huge.

[RiverDog]

River, What if he has it? It could be 14-21 days before he is okay. Talk about a break for US, the Packers who have been saying all a long that he is all about himself, and for Jordan Love, if he is actually worth a 1st rounder. The Packers could lose home field to the Rams and/or the Bucs, which could be huge.

Yes, he has to be symptom free after 10 days. The larger problem is if he's given it to any of his teammates as if they have a breakout and have to miss a game because of it, they have to forfeit.

And there's more teams than the Packers, Bucs, and Rams that are in the hunt for HFA. The Saints have two losses and have already beaten the Packers and the Cowboys currently have just one loss. HFA is frequently determined by just one game in the loss column, sometimes via a tiebreaker, and especially considering that now there's only one bye, losing a winnable game is huge.

[RiverDog]

He should be suspended . What a scandal . Right up there with the legend of Joe Cool testing positive for Bolivian marching powder before the big game . This is as bad for the league as Rodgers . Frankly I hope he gets real sick and pays the price for being a complete liar . Not about the hawks game but what goes around comes around

Rodgers technically didn't lie. He said that he was immunized, and it is possible to be immune and not be vaccinated. But he's employing a slick lawyer's trick by playing a game of semantics, like oral sex isn't sex or I didn't inhale. Plus he reinforced his ruse by not wearing a mask at press conferences, a requirement of any player that's not vaccinated.

I don't wish anyone to get sick, but I agree that Rodgers should be suspended. Brady got 4 games for his refusal to cooperate in the Deflate Gate investigation and the Pats lost a first and forth round pick in the following draft. This is much more serious. They need to hold both Rodgers and the Packers accountable.

[Hawktawk]

It’s just another example of why one of the greatest qbs in history ability wise . Sweetest stroke in history but not a leader . There’s a reason this guy hasn’t led his team to more hardware . It’s just another example of a lack of leadership

[c_hawkbob]

it is possible to be immune and not be vaccinated

I do not believe this to be the case. At least have seen zero evidence of it and have seen and heard much to the contrary. At least as it applies to Covid19.

[RiverDog]

Although technically Rodgers may not have lied, he intentionally deceived others into thinking that he was vaccinated and not subject to the league's protocols for unvaccinated players. He reinforced this perception by stating that "there's guys on the team that haven't been vaccinated", an insinuation that he wasn't one of them.

The league treats their press conferences like a preacher treats their sermon. They fined Beast simply for not showing up at them. Being intentionally dishonest in them should be considered sacrilegious. Plus he was flaunting the league's protocols by not wearing a mask while indoors.

Tom Brady got suspended 4 games for smashing his own cell phone. If Rodgers gets anything less than 2 games for this behavior, it will be an outrage.

[RiverDog]

it is possible to be immune and not be vaccinated

I do not believe this to be the case. At least have seen zero evidence of it and have seen and heard much to the contrary. At least as it applies to Covid19.

I don't believe it, either. All I said was that it's possible.

Bottom line -- those in the medical profession say homeopathic treatment is not an alternative to the Covid vaccine. But holistic treatment centers can see why Rodgers did it, because of the way it can boost one's immunity.

When asked if he's been vaccinated two months ago, Rodgers said he was immunized.

"And that probably meant that he built his immune system up. I don't think he was lying. He was just saying listen, I got my body so that it can fight. I think he's a natural-minded person," said Curry Chaudoir with Acupuncture & Holistic Health Associates in Glendale.

We don't know specifics about Rodgers' treatment, but Chaudoir says, "It was probably some remedy that triggered the immune system response that would put the body in a better state, to number one, fight the problem from happening in the first place."

https://www.cbs58.com/news/doctors-say- ... covid-test

[Hawktawk]

The league had denied Rodgers exemption to protocols but it’s executives sat and watched him give maskless interviews and walk around the facility maskless . This scandal goes beyond Rogers and the packers. How could the league not be aware ? At a minimum the league should suspend Rodgers 4 games , take picks from the packers and fine the coach 500K. Otherwise it’s a joke . If there’s any justification by the anti vax crowd it’s watching people like governors and senators and rich people and sports stars / leagues ignore the rules we all have to follow .

[RiverDog]

The league had denied Rodgers exemption to protocols but it’s executives sat and watched him give maskless interviews and walk around the facility maskless . This scandal goes beyond Rogers and the packers. How could the league not be aware ? At a minimum the league should suspend Rodgers 4 games , take picks from the packers and fine the coach 500K. Otherwise it’s a joke . If there’s any justification by the anti vax crowd it’s watching people like governors and senators and rich people and sports stars / leagues ignore the rules we all have to follow .

The responsibility for enforcing the protocols lies with the individual teams and I know of no requirement that they report to the league which players are vaccinated and which are not. While one could argue that since Rodgers applied for an exemption and had it denied that it should have raised a flag when he was observed violating the protocols for unvaccinated players, Rodgers could have gone ahead and gotten the poke after his exemption was denied, not been in violation, and the league wouldn't have known about it.

But I do agree that it smells. If it were some backup guard, it might be different. But this was Aaron Rodgers, one of the faces of the league. Someone at the NFL's headquarters should have seen Rodgers at a press conference w/o a mask, picked up the phone and called the Packers and ask, in my best Vince Lombardi imitation, "What the hell is going on out there?!.

[obiken]

But I do agree that it smells. If it were some backup guard, it might be different. But this was Aaron Rodgers, one of the faces of the league. Someone at the NFL's headquarters should have seen Rodgers at a press conference w/o a mask, picked up the phone and called the Packers and ask, in my best Vince Lombardi imitation, "What the hell is going on out there?!.

Pretty simple River, AR is a difficult personality and they went right along with him because he was winning. Its the Sports version of Donald Trump. How many people went right a long with Trump even though they knew he was Bi-polar with personality disorders. Sorry, there was probably a better analogy than Politics.
IF Jordan Love beats KC, and Seattle, I think Fans, locker room, and management move off AR. However, as a 66 year old fat man I ask you, when is life ever that simple?

[Hawktawk]

Speaking of Jordan love he reportedly attended a Halloween costume party with Rodgers and perhaps a dozen other players mingling with non team persons , another whopping violation of the league and team protocols .

I’ll make a prediction though . Love will lose to Mahoney . Rodgers will “ have no symptoms “ and will play vs Seattle to salvage a ratings turd with a possible Love Smith matchup should Russ hit a snag . Book it .

[Aseahawkfan]

There isn't a much evidence the vaccine makes you immune either. It lessens symptoms and boosts the immune system towards it, but we've seen a lot of people with the vaccine get COVID19.

Only similar level of protection is getting the virus at an earlier time. Pretty sure Rodgers' treatment wasn't getting the virus to activate natural immunity.

I wonder what treatment he received that he was told would qualify as "immunized."

[RiverDog]

There isn't a much evidence the vaccine makes you immune either. It lessens symptoms and boosts the immune system towards it, but we've seen a lot of people with the vaccine get COVID19.

Only similar level of protection is getting the virus at an earlier time. Pretty sure Rodgers' treatment wasn't getting the virus to activate natural immunity.

I wonder what treatment he received that he was told would qualify as "immunized."

Rodgers received a treatment described as homeopathy, and it's a lot riskier than a vaccine:

Homeopathy is a pseudoscience that claims excessive dilution of harmful substances can prevent or treat diseases. The debunked notion stems from the unfounded belief that "like cures like," meaning that substances that cause similar symptoms to a particular disease can cure that disease after dilution. Homeopaths believe dilution, done in a ritualized manner, increases the potency of said cures. The dilutions are extreme, generally well beyond the point at which a single molecule of the original substance remains. Thus, most homeopathic "treatments" are nothing more than well-shaken water and/or fillers.

Homeopathic treatments generally provide little more than a placebo effect. But when dilutions are done improperly, homeopathy can be deadly. In 2016, the Food and Drug Administration reported that improperly diluted homeopathic teething gels and tablets for babies were linked to the deaths of 10 infants and may have caused seizures, fever, and vomiting in more than 400 others. The products contained elevated levels of the toxic substance belladonna, which is also known as deadly nightshade.

Amid the pandemic, homeopaths have aimed their bogus treatments at COVID-19. Over the summer, federal prosecutors arrested a homeopathic practitioner in California, alleging she ran a scheme to sell patients falsified federal vaccination cards, along with vials of unidentified pellets for $243. The homeopath, Juli Mazi, claimed the pellets provided "lifelong immunity" to COVID-19. It's still unclear what the pellets contain, and one person who spoke with federal investigators said the pellets made them ill.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11 ... omeopathy/

So in other words, what Rodgers was doing is essentially snake oil. I'm literally astounded that a person with Rodgers intellect would wrap their arms around something like this. I've never really liked the man but this exposes him as a true lunatic.

[Hawktawk]

There isn't a much evidence the vaccine makes you immune either. It lessens symptoms and boosts the immune system towards it, but we've seen a lot of people with the vaccine get COVID19.

Only similar level of protection is getting the virus at an earlier time. Pretty sure Rodgers' treatment wasn't getting the virus to activate natural immunity.

I wonder what treatment he received that he was told would qualify as "immunized."

Depending on the vaccine they give a higher initial degree of protection than the normal flu shot. Studies prove the efficacy wanes sharply by 6 months as far as preventing infection but is effective at preventing severe disease much longer. around 90% of serious illnesses and deaths in this current wave are unvaxxed. This is hundreds of thousands of preventable american deaths and millions workldwide.An infected person can expect around 6 months of improved immunized response as well. But clearly there is no 100% magic bullet to stop infection. There is clearly a great medical benefit to the shot and everyone should be taking it along with whatever boosters are necessary and I'm all for whatever mandates, social shunning etc is necessary to bring people into compliance. Because you can talk all you want about this being over but until it stops disrupting economies and washing though the populations its not over and won't ever be normal.

I will also say IMO had I not been seated for 2 hours directly next to an unvaccinated coronavirus positive man who I later learned had left his wife home from the employee party hacking up a storm because she had "bronchitis" because they dont believe in coronavirus as a serious disease I wouldnt have had a breakthrough. I did get a call form the health district enquiring where I might have gotten this infection and I said Chicos. The lady told me she had ordered out for chico's for halloween and the kids had been disappointed not to be able to go to the restaurant and play the video games etc and she told me NO WAY SHE IS GOING INSIDE ANYWHERE SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO AND CERTAINLY NOT A RESTAURANT. That's the real time opinion of someone who's dealing with this disease and monitoring it in grant co on a daily basis.

Going forward if all the anti vax crowd that survives infection refuses to get vaxxed on a regulars basis guess what? Every six months we do it again. For now vaccines and the new oral medication unveiled in the UK are the lifeboat. When a little under half the world population wont get in the boat it will sink us all.

[RiverDog]

Behind every successful man is a woman, or so the saying goes.

It would appear that Aaron Rodger's embracing of a controversial alternative medicine treatment known as homeopathy, which if you're read anything about it can accurately be described as snake oil, may have been influenced by his fiancée:

Rodgers may have gotten his inspiration for the "alternative" medicine from fiancé Shailene Woodley.

"I think everything about my lifestyle is fairly alternative," she told Flaunt Magazine back in 2013. "I gather my own spring water from mountains every month. I go to a farm to get my food. I make everything, from my own toothpaste to my own body lotions and face oils. I could go on for hours. I make my own medicines; I don't get those from doctors. I make my own cheese and forage wild foods and identify wild plants. It's an entire lifestyle. It's appealing to my soul."

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/packers- ... ment-covid

This gal is a dirt foot hippie from straight out of the 60's.

FYI here's a description of homeopathy from the National Institutes of Health. It's worth a read:

https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/homeopathy

[NorthHawk]

Here's an article from The Atlantic about what the goals for vaccination are today - if any.
I think the author may have hit on why some don't or won't get the vaccine.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ket-newtab

[RiverDog]

Here's an article from The Atlantic about what the goals for vaccination are today - if any.
I think the author may have hit on why some don't or won't get the vaccine.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ket-newtab

That's an excellent article as it does a good job of describing the evolution of the disease, but I don't think does a good job of addressing vaccine hesitancy.

[NorthHawk]

I think the lack of direction causes some of the hesitancy.

[RiverDog]

I think the lack of direction causes some of the hesitancy.

IMO it's more of a lack of education than any single factor. It's the only common thread that spans politics, race, and age.

[NorthHawk]

You're probably right. However people like a clear direction with an end point or goal even if they don't fully understand the reasons.

[c_hawkbob]

You're probably right. However people like a clear direction with an end point or goal even if they don't fully understand the reasons.

The end point or goal was never a problem. They were pretty clearly spelled out as "herd immunity" and 85% vaccination rate.

The problem is the direction given to reach those ends. They don't want to have to think anymore about it one directions are given. The problem with science is that the directions change as data is gathered and conditions (like virus variants) change. Especially if you've got half of the government deriding the other half and shouting "which is it? Masks or no masks? Social distancing or not? How come we have to do both if either work?" And "If the vaccination works why do we have to do any of it?" and 'Oh yeah, what about MY rights?!"

That's why we have not been able to defeat this virus.

[NorthHawk]

The article discusses what's after the Pandemic as we transition to the endemic and how to live with it.
Getting vaccinated is still the goal, but now that it looks like herd immunity won't be achieved with the
way it's going, maybe clearly stating the new goals could help. Clearly what we're doing isn't working so
maybe a new message might help bring some of them some clarity of purpose.