Von Miller to the Rams

[obiken]

Denver just traded Von Miller to the Rams. Wow the hits just keep on coming!

[RiverDog]

The Denver Broncos are finalizing a trade to send eight-time Pro Bowl linebacker Von Miller to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for two second-day 2022 draft picks, league sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

The Rams will send the Broncos a second- and third-round pick in the 2022 draft in exchange for Miller, the sources said.

The Broncos are paying $9 million of Miller's remaining $9.7 million salary for this season, according to sources.

Miller is now saying his goodbyes to his friends in the Broncos' training facility.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/325 ... er-broncos

Good deal for both sides.

[c_hawkbob]

I think the Lambs won big on this trade. The Donkeys are also paying $9M of his $9.7 contract for the remainder of this season. Even if the Lambs are unable to secure him in FA next year (not bloody likely, there is usually a framework of a deal already in place) they are getting him for the rest of this season essentially for free!

Denver was desperate not to lose him to FA without showing some return.

[NorthHawk]

He's had some injury issues the last few years, but if he's healthy it should really help their pass rush.
The Rams are really going for it this year and I suspect they think they only need a few pieces to the puzzle
and Miller is one of them.

[RiverDog]

Denver was desperate not to lose him to FA without showing some return.

And that's the win for the Donkeys. Two 2nd day picks for a player that was only going to be on your roster for another 9 games.

[obiken]

I think the Lambs won big on this trade. The Donkeys are also paying $9M of his $9.7 contract for the remainder of this season. Even if the Lambs are unable to secure him in FA next year (not bloody likely, there is usually a framework of a deal already in place) they are getting him for the rest of this season essentially for free!

Denver was desperate not to lose him to FA without showing some return.

So do I! They get an 8X pro bowler for nothing! The Rams are so stacked that the two draft picks would have probably never made the team anyway. Sure, in 3 years the bills come do on all this, but now they are set.

[RiverDog]

I think the Lambs won big on this trade. The Donkeys are also paying $9M of his $9.7 contract for the remainder of this season. Even if the Lambs are unable to secure him in FA next year (not bloody likely, there is usually a framework of a deal already in place) they are getting him for the rest of this season essentially for free!

Denver was desperate not to lose him to FA without showing some return.

So do I! They get an 8X pro bowler for nothing! The Rams are so stacked that the two draft picks would have probably never made the team anyway. Sure, in 3 years the bills come do on all this, but now they are set.

The Rams definitely came out the biggest winner in this deal, but it's not like the Broncos got fleeced. A 2nd and 3rd round pick isn't what I'd call "nothing" for a player they weren't going to resign anyway.

[c_hawkbob]

You've evidently got a higher opinion of late second a third round picks than I do.

[Stream Hawk]

Late 2nd and 3rd round picks can work out. DK “hold my low carb beer”.

[RiverDog]

You've evidently got a higher opinion of late second a third round picks than I do.

What round did we get Russell Wilson in? Asking for a friend.

[obiken]

My question is CBob, River, everyone else, why didnt we make this trade?? Would VM agreed to come to Seattle? What would we have to give up to get Fletcher Cox??

[Hawktawk]

We have no picks

[obiken]

We have no picks

Oh yeah thats right!!

[Aseahawkfan]

We have no picks

If only this were a joke, but it's true. Sad, but true.

[RiverDog]

My question is CBob, River, everyone else, why didnt we make this trade?? Would VM agreed to come to Seattle? What would we have to give up to get Fletcher Cox??

I don't see this team as being a player or two away from being a SB contender. I was guilty of that mistaken belief back in 2008-09. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

So, if we're more than a player or two away from being a SB contender, trading for a 32 year old OLB doesn't make a lot of sense.

[tarlhawk]

What round did we get Russell Wilson in? Asking for a friend.

He was the 12th pick of the 3rd round in 2013

[tarlhawk]

Dallas held the #12 pick for each rd in this past draft...earned by having a 6-10 record last year.

[tarlhawk]

We have no picks

We could have offered the same picks...we don't need anymore "rentals". In 2022 we have a 2nd...a 3rd...two 4ths ours plus one from the Jets)...a 5th...no 6th (Sydney Jones trade)...and a 7th. Only 6 picks total.

[RiverDog]

What round did we get Russell Wilson in? Asking for a friend.

He was the 12th pick of the 3rd round in 2013

I was being a smart ass. Cbob will understand.

[NorthHawk]

We have no picks

We have 6 picks in the 2022 draft at the moment.

[obiken]

I don't see this team as being a player or two away from being a SB contender. I was guilty of that mistaken belief back in 2008-09. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
So, if we're more than a player or two away from being a SB contender, trading for a 32 year old OLB doesn't make a lot of sense.

I agree Rivy! However, IF we could get a Fletcher Cox, who is only 30 to clog the middle to stop the run, I would be all for that. I believe that would make us way better, dont you? Where it gets complex is getting a Clowney to leave the Texans for Seattle is one thing, but FC will probably get a call from Andy Reid and a boatload of others, IMHO.

[RiverDog]

I don't see this team as being a player or two away from being a SB contender. I was guilty of that mistaken belief back in 2008-09. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
So, if we're more than a player or two away from being a SB contender, trading for a 32 year old OLB doesn't make a lot of sense.

I agree Rivy! However, IF we could get a Fletcher Cox, who is only 30 to clog the middle to stop the run, I would be all for that. I believe that would make us way better, dont you? Where it gets complex is getting a Clowney to leave the Texans for Seattle is one thing, but FC will probably get a call from Andy Reid and a boatload of others, IMHO.

It depends on how you view our team. If you think that we are a player or two away from being a legitimate SB contenders as the Rams definitely think that they are, then it makes sense to bring in players in their early 30's such as Cox and Miller. IMO we're a good 3 or 4 players away from SB contention as we need a shutdown corner, an edge rusher, and at least one more OL. Add to that the players that we expect to retire soon, such as Brown and Wagner, and the wish list gets longer.

[Hawktawk]

All this bemoaning aside about the Rams getting Von Miller.An aging injury prone guy . I dunno. We had a chance to beat this team with Geno coming off the bench a few weeks ago and we're better now.

I've said all year our team isn't the sum of its parts, especially the defense. And all of a sudden it kind of is. Were getting more pressure and the one kid Taylor? coming off the stinger injury is a legit threat off the edge. Dunlap had a nice game. Its a more active effective rotation. Our interior defensive line is above average with Ford and Woods. Our corner play is dramatically better with Reed and now the rookie whose name escapes me is balling out. Maybe half asleep posting isn't good but quietly this defense is getting younger and better in a hurry.

Diggs might be the best safety in the league...............double down. He's the only safety in the NFL to have 3 or more picks in 5 straight seasons and he's not halfway through this one . He hits like a freight train, always around the ball.I think Adams flubbed another potential pick. He should have been a boxer. hes violent enough and has hands of stone But he is disruptive AF and hits almost as hard as Diggs except more penalties. Nobody's trading for his 17 million a year and JS and PC aren't going to admit their mistake anyway.

its why Penney is still holding up a roster spot from someone deserving.That's currently the weakest unit obviously without the punch of Carson. How much did the team know about his chronic neck injury before signing him to an extension? That's a head scratcher. But they have proven to be marginally adequate by platoon when accounting for receptions out of the backfield as well as rushes. Homer is sneaky good and smart as his house call on the kick proved.

We have 2 of the more explosive wideouts in the league in Metcalf and Lockett and Geno showed Sunday why any QB is better with them. Not to stoke the fire but DK said after the Geno Laser at the flag on the right sideline to him with the defender in a good position" I've never had a ball like that" referring to being thrown a technically 50-50 ball with such accurate placement to the superior athlete the defender had no chance. I dont agree with his assessment but found it interesting he would say that. Both TDs to Metcalf hit him in the gloves. Both humiliated Shaq Griffin


Our O line is healing up. Geno was as good as anyone playing when he was left alone in the pocket Sunday. If Russ is back thats maybe a good sign. If he needs another game I get its green bay but I feel better if Geno has to go than I would have before last Sunday. Russ vs GB is usually some of his worst games as well so we shall see.

Im OK in what may be a rebuilding year with not acquiring more aging talent at the expense of draft picks or young prospects.

[NorthHawk]

Don't let one game make you fall into the mistake that this is a good team or is better than we thought 2 weeks ago. The Jags are terrible and we
should have trounced them. Maybe this last game was an exceptionally bad game by them, and that's all it was. We need upgrades at C, T, RB, CB,
DT, and DE at least to become contenders. We should be able to get both a good RB and C in the draft and maybe a good DT or DE. With all of the
Cap room we seem to have maybe FA can fill the other holes if they carry it over into next year.

[RiverDog]

Don't let one game make you fall into the mistake that this is a good team or is better than we thought 2 weeks ago. The Jags are terrible and we should have trounced them. Maybe this last game was an exceptionally bad game by them, and that's all it was.

We should be able to get both a good RB and C in the draft and maybe a good DT or DE. With all of the Cap room we seem to have maybe FA can fill the other holes if they carry it over into next year.

So you think that hitting on 4 out of 7 picks without a first round selection is a reasonable expectation yet you think that folks that are attracted to the illusion of winning a game against a 1-6 team are being overly optimistic? A little of the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me.

[NorthHawk]

My point was the players to help fill the holes are there, not that I expect us to select them. Those are 2 different things.

[RiverDog]

My point was the players to help fill the holes are there, not that I expect us to select them. Those are 2 different things.

So what was it that you were thinking when you said We should be able to get both a good RB and C in the draft and maybe a good DT or DE.? We should be able to get 3 players in the draft that fill our needs but you don't expect us to select them? Seems pretty contradictory.

[Hawktawk]

Don't let one game make you fall into the mistake that this is a good team or is better than we thought 2 weeks ago. The Jags are terrible and we
should have trounced them. Maybe this last game was an exceptionally bad game by them, and that's all it was. We need upgrades at C, T, RB, CB,
DT, and DE at least to become contenders. We should be able to get both a good RB and C in the draft and maybe a good DT or DE. With all of the
Cap room we seem to have maybe FA can fill the other holes if they carry it over into next year.

We trounced them and Seattle trounces virtually nobody although they rarely get blown out . 4 of 5 losses were in our hands to win . All 3 of Genos losses were a play here and there from beating pretty good teams and Russ lost to the Titans with the ball in his hands which used to be money . The Vikings are the only game we had no chance down the stretch . We were a 4th down TD late from shutting out an offense that had not been shut out in THE FIRST HALF all year . They had battled Cincy to the last whistle the night urban decided to dirty dance . They had come off their first win in 20 tries and a bye facing a team on a 3 game losing streak with a backup qb. And Seattle put it on them . It’s the first time in a long time , probably since the jets last year this team did exactly what it was supposed to do which is thump an inferior team . That’s progress . We will know a lot more after the Pack. We have a week to heal . The teams know each other and hate each other . A loss is no shame the way the pack and Rodgers are balling but if Seattle somehow wins they are back in the saddle .

[obiken]

We trounced them and Seattle trounces virtually nobody although they rarely get blown out . 4 of 5 losses were in our hands to win . All 3 of Genos losses were a play here and there from beating pretty good teams and Russ lost to the Titans with the ball in his hands which used to be money . The Vikings are the only game we had no chance down the stretch . We were a 4th down TD late from shutting out an offense that had not been shut out in THE FIRST HALF all year . They had battled Cincy to the last whistle the night urban decided to dirty dance . They had come off their first win in 20 tries and a bye facing a team on a 3 game losing streak with a backup qb. And Seattle put it on them . It’s the first time in a long time , probably since the jets last year this team did exactly what it was supposed to do which is thump an inferior team . That’s progress . We will know a lot more after the Pack. We have a week to heal . The teams know each other and hate each other . A loss is no shame the way the pack and Rodgers are balling but if Seattle somehow wins they are back in the saddle .

My sentiments exactly. The problem going forward is getting the other teams in our division to lose. NO, we will not beat the Pack, Aaron Rodgers is going to carve our defense up like a Thanksgiving Turkey. But ah, my crystal ball is a joke this year. IF their is one comforting thought though, that most of our losses have been against good teams , the exception being the Vikes.
I would be shocked to see RW back in the saddle for the Packer game, I would wait another week, the pin just got pulled out! But who knows, its Russ and in shape guys tend to heal faster. Never the less, without the Rams or the Cards, losing games, and that need to start happening real quick, this year is a throw away and we enter the most interesting off season in the history of the Seattle Seahawks.

[NorthHawk]

How many games have the Jags won in the last year? Was it more than 1?
They may be close to being one of the all time worst teams over the last 2 years, so to think we are now
turning the corner because of that game is a dangerous position to take.
We’ll know better in 3 Sundays if we’ve improved or not.

[RiverDog]

How many games have the Jags won in the last year? Was it more than 1? They may be close to being one of the all time worst teams over the last 2 years, so to think we are now turning the corner because of that game is a dangerous position to take. We’ll know better in 3 Sundays if we’ve improved or not.

The Jags were on track to break the expansion Tampa Bay Buc's record 26 game losing streak. In 2020, they won their season opener then lost their last 16 games. They lost their first 6 games this season before beating Miami the weekend before last, leaving them 4 short of the record.

I thought coming in that they were a lot better than their 1-6 record would indicate, but they sure didn't show it Sunday. I was sitting opposite their sidelines and it looked very businesslike, not a lot of excitement. They looked like a team that was comfortable with losing.

[trents]

The Jags made a huge mistake in hiring Urban Meyer. That has proved/will prove to be a huge program setback just when they were taking a step forward with drafting T. Lawrence. Meyer came in with some baggage and has added to it lately. And even apart from that I'm not convinced he is NFL head coaching material. It's big distraction and there is no doubt in my mind that he will be canned at the end of the year. At least the Jags will get to pick high again this next time around in the draft.

[obiken]

The Jags made a huge mistake in hiring Urban Meyer. That has proved/will prove to be a huge program setback just when they were taking a step forward with drafting T. Lawrence. Meyer came in with some baggage and has added to it lately. And even apart from that I'm not convinced he is NFL head coaching material. It's big distraction and there is no doubt in my mind that he will be canned at the end of the year. At least the Jags will get to pick high again this next time around in the draft.

I agree Trents but its a little too early to say that for sure. My issue was the love feast with TLawrence, being John Elway or Peyton Manning, I never saw that. Its definitely not going well so far, and his assistants will get pink slips at the end of the year.

[obiken]

Riv, Cbob, everybody, What if the whole mess with DeShawn Watson blows over, the Texans are going to be left with 1/2 of what they could have had. What if it doesnt, they will be left with nothing.

[TriCitySam]

You've evidently got a higher opinion of late second a third round picks than I do.

Agree on the low value of these picks. Even in the case of 1st rounders. The general belief is that there are 15-20 premium players in most drafts and then on thru the 2nd round the grades are extremely close. A stat I heard was that from 20-64 only 1 in 4 are offered a second contract. So that's why it makes sense to trade those for a proven player (like Adams).

[RiverDog]

The Jags made a huge mistake in hiring Urban Meyer. That has proved/will prove to be a huge program setback just when they were taking a step forward with drafting T. Lawrence. Meyer came in with some baggage and has added to it lately. And even apart from that I'm not convinced he is NFL head coaching material. It's big distraction and there is no doubt in my mind that he will be canned at the end of the year. At least the Jags will get to pick high again this next time around in the draft.

I agree Trents but its a little too early to say that for sure. My issue was the love feast with TLawrence, being John Elway or Peyton Manning, I never saw that. Its definitely not going well so far, and his assistants will get pink slips at the end of the year.

Yes, Lawrence is having a tough year. He's thrown more INT's than TD passes and is ranked 31st out of 35 starting QB's. But he's playing for one of the worst teams in football and doesn't appear to be getting a lot of support from his coaching staff.

However, he's not the only rookie quarterback to have had a rough start. Josh Allen also had a rough rookie season. In 11 starts, Allen finished his rookie year with a 53% completion percentage and a 10/12 TD/INT ratio. His second season was better, but he still finished with a sub 60% completion percentage, but last year, he had a breakthrough season and this year, along with Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson is one of the top dual threat quarterbacks in the league, has his team leading their division, and is a legitimate MVP candidate.

Bottom line is that although Lawrence is having a tough first half of his rookie season, we shouldn't use it as an indicator of things to come. He's a big kid with a cannon of an arm and can run with the best of them. I'm not predicting greatness, but he does have the raw talent to play the position at a high level in this league.

[Hawktawk]

Lawrence had been playing much better. Id watched most of their win in london and also the Cincinnati game on the road that they might have won with a play here and there. With Schottie coaching him he was steadily improving and made a perfect throw to the perfect spot to pick up a first down on 4th down and 5 stop the clock for a GWF with 5 seconds left at the snap to end his previous game. I'm going with our improved defense, much improved caused him a lot of problems. Geno caused their defense a lot of problems. As Holmy once said "to win in this league is hard"
I respect that the hawks took care of business for the first timer in a long time. Any win is a great one.

[RiverDog]

Lawrence had been playing much better. Id watched most of their win in london and also the Cincinnati game on the road that they might have won with a play here and there. With Schottie coaching him he was steadily improving and made a perfect throw to the perfect spot to pick up a first down on 4th down and 5 stop the clock for a GWF with 5 seconds left at the snap to end his previous game. I'm going with our improved defense, much improved caused him a lot of problems. Geno caused their defense a lot of problems. As Holmy once said "to win in this league is hard"
I respect that the hawks took care of business for the first timer in a long time. Any win is a great one.

The pick Lawrence threw was a horrible throw. I couldn't tell in real time who he was trying to go to. There wasn't an offensive player within 10 yards, and not due to anything that the receiver did and he wasn't pressured or hurried by our defense. I had to look at the replay where I could see that he was way short of his intended target.

Jacksonville looked very lame. You had to have been there to see the lack of emotion on the sideline. They seem to sense that their HC, and perhaps the rest of the staff, is coaching on borrowed time. I'd be very surprised if Meyer makes it through the entire season. Once the colleges start their musical chairs song, I would expect Meyer to bolt.

[Hawktawk]

At this point the biggest problem is the HC imo. Lawrence panicked on the long throw , threw it up . Happens all the time . Seattle didn’t get home much but they hit and harrassed him all day . Covered his receivers up. Stuffed the run . I’d say the team quit except their only score was late on 4 th down to avoid a shutout . But then Meyer kicks an extra point when 2 makes it a 2 score game . Impossible , yeah 999 out of a thousand times but then WTF attempt an onside . Get stopped by a Seattle timeout then kick it exactly the same place . Myles Jack who is a legit NFL defender said he was “ humiliated, embarrassed , nobody wants to be a part of this “ of all the disinterested people on the sidelines Meyer looked the worst on TV. They need to get rid of him to save that kids career .