Russel's finger

[c_hawkbob]

The fact that this doesn't look to have been a simple dislocation could mean we lose Russ for weeks, perhaps months. In this video a sports Dr. looks at just what it most likely could be and neither choice is good (disregard the advertisement in the middle of the video, it's worth sitting through too get to the technical stuff).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDqDFDNXn5w

[Uppercut]

This sucks!

At least when I hurt my middle finger it only affects my driving

[RiverDog]

Thanks for the info. At least we have a mini bye this week, so if it's not too bad, he might not miss much.

[Hawktawk]

At least for a few series we look like we may have a guy who can at least hold down the fort while Russ heals . Geno is a forgotten man in his 9 th season . A guy who derailed his career by being drafted by the jets then being a lazy irresponsible kid who didn’t study the playbook . His low was a broken jaw at the hands of a teammate he had stiffed on a financial transaction then poked his finger in the guys chest when confronted . I was curious why Seattle stuck with him even though it’s usually irrelevant . Clearly he has worked his ass off studying and preparing . He’s matured quite a bit .

Frankly in hindsight it’s unfortunate they allowed Wilson back in the game for a handoff then another 3 and out when he clearly couldn’t throw the ball well enough . Had Geno been inserted earlier who knows . At least last night he was the better qb on the roster . I hope Russ is ready but if he isn’t I do t feel as hopeless about our chances as when I got a look at that finger .

[Agent 86]

This sucks!

At least when I hurt my middle finger it only affects my driving

[Hawktawk]

This sucks!

At least when I hurt my middle finger it only affects my driving

[/quote]
Lmao

[RiverDog]

Jeremy Fowler from ESPN is reporting that Russell is likely to miss 6-8 weeks:

Sources: Seahawks are bracing for Russell Wilson to miss at least a month and possibly 6-8 weeks with his ruptured middle-finger tendon that likely requires surgery. Seattle thinking about Wilson’s long-term health. Barring an unexpectedly swift recovery, it’s Geno Smith’s show.

https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/ ... 3592263682

And there's this:

Wilson met with a hand specialist in Los Angeles on Friday after injuring the middle finger on his throwing hand Thursday night in a loss to the Los Angeles Rams.

Coach Pete Carroll, who described the injury postgame as a bad sprain, told 710 ESPN Seattle that the doctor will determine whether Wilson has what's known as mallet finger and how that may affect his availability.

Carroll didn't know enough about the X-rays Wilson had postgame to comment on what they revealed, but did acknowledge there was an issue with the finger.

"But there's something going on," he said. "There's definitely something going on and we've got to figure out what the extent of it is and what is the next step to deal with."

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/sources-s ... d=80488201

[Rambo2014]

Kapernick is your man

[RiverDog]

Bump.

[Agent 86]

Well if he is out 6-8 weeks, then it is definitely going to be Geno's team and we all get to see what life without Russ looks like as we have been worrying about for years now. It's amazing the run he was on with starting every game of his career.

I'm always the optimist and try to see the bright side of all situations, and this is no different. Russ is out, you have to move on and support the next man up. Nothing to do but have faith in Geno and see how he can operate this offense over the course of probably at least 4 games and possibly longer. We may have to live a few more INT's than we are used to seeing, but we may also see some more offense and aggressiveness than what Russ typically shows. I have always said his low INT numbers are due to him not forcing anything. It worked when you had an all world defense, but hasn't been successful since the D started sliding down the rankings.

[Hawk Sista]

Well, crap. This is devastating news. I realize we have been spoiled to avoid any absence from Russ. Our D is horrible now and I think we will be lucky to finish .500. Go Geno and Go Hawks!

[RiverDog]

Well, crap. This is devastating news. I realize we have been spoiled to avoid any absence from Russ. Our D is horrible now and I think we will be lucky to finish .500. Go Geno and Go Hawks!

We were imploding anyway so if we had to lose Russell for half of the season, this would be the year.

Great opportunity for Geno. Without a first round pick, there isn't even the motivation to "suck for Luck" as Indy did a few years ago.

[Aseahawkfan]

Stick a fork in the Seahawks.

[RiverDog]

Stick a fork in the Seahawks.

Yeah, probably the most likely outcome. But we're only in Week 5. I want to see this all play out. If worse comes to worse, at least we'll have a top 10 draft pick.

[obiken]

We were imploding anyway so if we had to lose Russell for half of the season, this would be the year.

Great opportunity for Geno. Without a first round pick, there isn't even the motivation to "suck for Luck" as Indy did a few years ago.

Thats the whole deal in a nutshell. It comes down to the Steeler game. IF GS cannot beat the Steelers we are doomed. He has to be able to beat average and sub-par teams.

PS sorry but I have been gone to Idaho, atleast I didnt have to wear a mask while seeing the Hawks get beat!!

[NorthHawk]

That’s going to be a tall order considering our Defense doesn’t seem to be able to shut down
opposing Offenses.

[obiken]

That’s going to be a tall order considering our Defense doesn’t seem to be able to shut down
opposing Offenses.

Agree totally see the other post.

[RiverDog]

Russell had surgery yesterday.



Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson underwent surgery on his injured finger Friday, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports. The procedure, which was performed by noted hand specialist Dr. Steven Shin, stabilized Wilson’s finger with screws.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ed-finger/

[Hawktawk]

Im curious how Russ handles this. Curious how the FO handles it. Will Russ who has made some critical comments about the protection and got his finger broken because the best DT ever collapsed the pocket for the zillionth time want to rush back? what if Geno rises up and is running the table? Does the FO try to rush him back?( No chance but we can dream)what if he's horrible and the team is like 4-7? Does Russ come in to mop up and get hit too much or does he hold out for a trade in the offseason? How about we are 500?

Frankly I'm steeling myself for disaster, a return at least temporarily to the bad old days and a likely changing of the guard. Jody's got enough dough to buyout Schneider too. But I really dont know what to expect. Was Geno fools gold thursday or is he capable of sustaining what he had those 2 drives? I came into the season saying Russ was the biggest question mark and quite frankly in my mind it wasn't answered even before he got hurt. His personal QBR was stellar but it was as hollow as the 12-4 last year IMO with the lowest TOP in the league and an inability to grind out sustained drives. Thursday he followed up bouncing it off a defensive players helmet with a 12 yard sack.Im sure it would have balanced out but we will never know. He's always turned it around before. He's done it his way and created more highlight reels than any QB in my lifetime. Mainly I pray for his health. Not just his finger but his body, his brain. Dude has taken a pounding.

Now the ? is Geno Smith plus whether the rest of the team can step up.

[NorthHawk]

This might be a good thing in the long run because it will force Waldron to not rely on Russ to improvise his way to success.
Geno will probably follow the script closer than Russ and the OL will generally know where the QB is behind them. Geno has
enough athleticism to take off with the ball, but isn't the scrambler Russ is so pass protection might be better. It will be
interesting to see how the OL circles the wagons and protects GS knowing the dropoff is huge if Geno goes down. So if Geno
just runs the plays that are called and makes the quick decisions and not try to extend the plays, this Offense might look
a lot different and maybe more successful than we expect. Just look at how good the Rams Offense was at times with Goff
at the helm. I don't think there's much difference between Geno and Goff except Geno is a better athlete.

[Hawktawk]

Geno is mentally much tougher than Goff IMO. As for Thursday he was not sacked in 3 possessions, partly due to sliding and moving in the pocket rather than taking off. He rushed for 27 yards, passed for over 100 and put up 10 points in a quarter of play while the defense was giving up drive after drive. He didn't look rattled, audibled several times and released the ball quickly including a couple throwaways he had no trouble deciding to waste and live another down. That will be different .

Im fascinated. Ill probably be disgusted but lets see.

[RiverDog]

I don't think there's much difference between Geno and Goff except Geno is a better athlete.

I haven't seen Goff play since he moved to Detroit, but watching him while he was with the Rams, he was very inaccurate whenever he was moved off his spot and didn't handle pressure very well at all. IMO Geno handles pressure and throws on the move a lot better than Goff did.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yeah, probably the most likely outcome. But we're only in Week 5. I want to see this all play out. If worse comes to worse, at least we'll have a top 10 draft pick.

Yeah, our Top 10 pick will be Jamal Adams. The 17.5 million dollar strong safety who can sack the QB, but can't cover or get interceptions.

The Jets will spend the one we traded them on some other player.

I feel like the Jets Ruskelled us.

[RiverDog]

Here's a good article that speculates who might be available to at least be our backup for the next few weeks:

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/gm-repo ... ns-absence

[Hawktawk]

Yeah, our Top 10 pick will be Jamal Adams. The 17.5 million dollar strong safety who can sack the QB, but can't cover or get interceptions.

The Jets will spend the one we traded them on some other player.

I feel like the Jets Ruskelled us.

Actually Adams has no sacks in 13 blitz attempts although he does have a personal foul on a late hit to the QB. Truly he has been dreadful in all phases other than effort. He can fly and deliver a blow but he's a bigger part of the problem than the solution

[Hawktawk]

Here's a good article that speculates who might be available to at least be our backup for the next few weeks:

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/gm-repo ... ns-absence

The writer clearly doesn't think much of Smith when he is describing guys like Dalton and even Minshew as a "clear upgrade" higher upside" over Geno. Maybe they are right and what we saw was a mirage, lightning in a bottle, a fluke,a flatfooted defense. I think Geno is just a stealth candidate nobody has thought about for a long time that's still got all the athletic skills and lots of tread on the tires. Pundits remember 2013-14. thats a long time ago.

We will know soon enough

[RiverDog]

There's a chance that Russell could miss as few as 3 games.

When Russell Wilson was wheeled into surgery Friday, multiple doctors believed he would miss a minimum of six weeks.

But by the time surgery was finished on Wilson's fractured right middle finger, doctors believed the Seattle Seahawks star quarterback had a realistic chance to make it back in four weeks, sources told ESPN.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/323 ... rn-4-weeks

The schedule seems to be favorable as we'll be facing the Steelers, Saints, and Jags in his absence, three teams with a combined 3-9 record.

[Hawktawk]

2 of the 3 teams have HCs who have won SBs. The third has the #1 overall pick at QB and he's coming along and should be running smoothly by the time they see us idiot coach notwithstanding.

Pittsburgh is about an aging superstar who can't advance the ball downfield anymore. Talk about a recipe for him to get well

Saints are all over the map with their own version of young Geno in Crab Legs. If he's on he will put up 50 on Seattle. If he's off we got a shot. I remember us penciling in a win when Brees was hurt and Bridgewater started a couple years ago.....As Holmgren said years ago "to win in this league is hard". as Knox said "potential will get you beat". If the Hawks dont step up on defense in a big way and circle the wagons around Geno being a 2-6 dumpster fire isn't out of the question.

[RiverDog]

There's a real interesting and provocative piece in the Seattle Times by longtime journalist Larry Stone. Here's the provocative part:

If their struggles continue, it’s not hard to envision the question of trading Wilson coming to the forefront again. He’ll be 33 in November, and wants more than anything to carve out a legacy as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. That requires more championships. With the clock ticking and the Seahawks facing a possible downturn, he might not see it happening in Seattle.

The issues Wilson raised last year, and the friction that was revealed, were not a media fabrication. And when it gets to the point, as was reported in February, that his agent presented the Seahawks a list of teams to which he would agree to be traded (though no trade demand was ever issued), it’s reasonable to think it could happen again. Especially with the potential for the 2021 season to keep going south in a hurry.

It’s important to point out that by the time training camp started this year, Wilson was in a positive frame of mind and seemingly on board with the direction of the Seahawks. Nor has he publicly expressed any discontent this season. Wilson had a hand in the hiring of new offensive coordinator Shane Waldron, and by all indications they are in sync on offensive philosophy.

But if Wilson doesn’t see this as a place where he can prolong his legacy as the winningest quarterback through 10 seasons in NFL history — and if the Seahawks don’t want to go through another extended period of speculation and innuendo — this offseason would seem to be a much better juncture for a trade to happen.

If they had done so last year, the Seahawks would have had to take on a $39 million cap hit, with zero savings. If they trade him next year before June 1, they would take a $26 million hit in dead money, but would get $11 million in cap savings.

After 2021, Wilson will have two more years remaining on the four-year, $140-million contract extension he signed in April 2019. So if the Seahawks were going to wait another season to explore a possible Wilson trade, it would be complicated by the pending end of his contract and the need to start renegotiating.

In other words, if you’re going to trade Wilson — which admittedly would be a monumental decision, yet one that doesn’t seem as unthinkable as it once did — it would be much more favorable, cap-wise, after this year.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... fSTIdSjJMM

Is this the beginning of the end for Russell as a Seahawk? I sure hope not. But you'd be guilty of sticking your head in the sand if you don't recognize it as a real possibility.

[NorthHawk]

Possibly the end of his career here, but maybe the end of Carroll’s tenure instead.
Wilson might stay if Carroll retired and they replaced him with an Offensive HC like
Bieniemy or Leftwich, or maybe Daboll. That type of change could reinvigorate his
enthusiasm as we already have some weapons that he’s comfortable with in place.

[RiverDog]

Possibly the end of his career here, but maybe the end of Carroll’s tenure instead. Wilson might stay if Carroll retired and they replaced him with an Offensive HC like Bieniemy or Leftwich, or maybe Daboll. That type of change could reinvigorate his enthusiasm as we already have some weapons that he’s comfortable with in place.

True, but I wouldn't hold my breath that Pete retires. If "win forever" is more than just a buzz word phrase that he uses to sell books, he's not going to hang it up after a season bad enough that causes the starting quarterback to want out.

[EmeraldBullet]

I heard USC might be looking to hire a coach

[obiken]

There's a chance that Russell could miss as few as 3 games.

When Russell Wilson was wheeled into surgery Friday, multiple doctors believed he would miss a minimum of six weeks.

But by the time surgery was finished on Wilson's fractured right middle finger, doctors believed the Seattle Seahawks star quarterback had a realistic chance to make it back in four weeks, sources told ESPN.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/323 ... rn-4-weeks

The schedule seems to be favorable as we'll be facing the Steelers, Saints, and Jags in his absence, three teams with a combined 3-9 record.

I am seeing a story tonight that there were complications with the surgery, I think 6 weeks is way too optimistic myself.

[RiverDog]

There's a chance that Russell could miss as few as 3 games.

When Russell Wilson was wheeled into surgery Friday, multiple doctors believed he would miss a minimum of six weeks.

But by the time surgery was finished on Wilson's fractured right middle finger, doctors believed the Seattle Seahawks star quarterback had a realistic chance to make it back in four weeks, sources told ESPN.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/323 ... rn-4-weeks

The schedule seems to be favorable as we'll be facing the Steelers, Saints, and Jags in his absence, three teams with a combined 3-9 record.

I am seeing a story tonight that there were complications with the surgery, I think 6 weeks is way too optimistic myself.

Here's the story that you were seeing:

The surgery was more complicated than expected, with the need for screws complicating matters. The timetable is roughly 6 weeks, though Wilson will no doubt be determined to beat it.

The good news, as Rapoport mentions, is that the complications did not change Wilson’s timetable for return. Wilson is still expected to miss between 6-8 weeks, which puts his potential return somewhere around the Week 11 to Week 13 mark.

https://larrybrownsports.com/football/s ... to%20focus.

I'm not sure why you think that 6 weeks is "way too optimistic" when it's the doctors that set the 6-8 week timetable that they said hasn't changed. Complications doesn't necessarily mean a longer recovery period.

[obiken]

Here's the story that you were seeing:

The surgery was more complicated than expected, with the need for screws complicating matters. The timetable is roughly 6 weeks, though Wilson will no doubt be determined to beat it.

The good news, as Rapoport mentions, is that the complications did not change Wilson’s timetable for return. Wilson is still expected to miss between 6-8 weeks, which puts his potential return somewhere around the Week 11 to Week 13 mark.

https://larrybrownsports.com/football/s ... to%20focus.

I'm not sure why you think that 6 weeks is "way too optimistic" when it's the doctors that set the 6-8 week timetable that they said hasn't changed. Complications doesn't necessarily mean a longer recovery period.

Simple Riv, the Hawks are not going to allow him to come back as fast as he wants, he is not a Franchise QB, he is the Franchise.

[Aseahawkfan]

Simple Riv, the Hawks are not going to allow him to come back as fast as he wants, he is not a Franchise QB, he is the Franchise.

Looks like this is the year you are finally right, Obiken. We're heading for the gutter this year and the Jets have our best pick. The bad team management by John and Pete is finally coming home to roost.

Russell was sacked and injured. The O-line is terrible. The defense hasn't been rebuilt and replenished. John and Pete keep trading picks away that don't work out. Not a great way to manage a team roster.

[RiverDog]

Simple Riv, the Hawks are not going to allow him to come back as fast as he wants, he is not a Franchise QB, he is the Franchise.

Obi, Russell is the team's 500 pound gorilla. If he wants to play, he's going to play. With Russell holding all the cards with his no trade clause, they're not going to risk doing something that's going to piss him off as if he demands a trade, they're gonna have to trade him. Pete's going to have to pucker up and kiss his backside.

[NorthHawk]

I'm beginning to think Pete Carroll is starting to lean towards retiring.
Looking at the trades and giving up the future picks for a big name might mean he is all in on winning this or next year and after that
he's pulling the plug. He's 70 years old now and I wonder if he wants to put in the work required to re-build the team. It doesn't look
like it to me.

[Hawktawk]

I still wonder how big a rush Wilson is really gonna be in if this goes totally sideways and he’s returning to a 2-6 to 2-8 team . Having watched the Steelers and Saints win handily and with RDs observation Jacksonville is still playing hard it’s entirely possible to lose 2 of the next 3 or even all of them . If Russ is out 5 weeks we play the Pack out of the bye . If we’re over 500 when he’s ready I’m sure Russ will want to come back ASAP but what’s in it for he and the team to take a pounding with a surgical repair to his throwing hand in a lost season . Can’t wait for Sunday night to start figuring it out .

[RiverDog]

I still wonder how big a rush Wilson is really gonna be in if this goes totally sideways and he’s returning to a 2-6 to 2-8 team . Having watched the Steelers and Saints win handily and with RDs observation Jacksonville is still playing hard it’s entirely possible to lose 2 of the next 3 or even all of them . If Russ is out 5 weeks we play the Pack out of the bye . If we’re over 500 when he’s ready I’m sure Russ will want to come back ASAP but what’s in it for he and the team to take a pounding with a surgical repair to his throwing hand in a lost season . Can’t wait for Sunday night to start figuring it out .

All I can say is that it would be very out of character for Russell to sit out one extra minute if he's given the clearance by the doctors. His approach reminds me of what Pete Rose once said about his desire to play baseball, that he'd crawl through hell in a gasoline suit. I'll never forget what some of our defensive players said, at a time when they had their differences with him, about their QB when Cam Newton refused to jump on a loose ball because he was afraid he'd get hurt.

IMO we'll be damn lucky to go 1-2 over the next 3 games. The Steelers looked great yesterday and surprised just about everybody. And you're right, Jacksonville is still a formidable foe, better than their record would indicate. They could do to us what the Giants did last season.

We have our bye week following the Jax game on the 31st, and the trading deadline is two days later on the 2nd. It's possible that if we're sitting at 2-6 or even 3-5, our management could pull the plug and start the rebuilding process early by trading some of our more valuable assets, like Michael Dickson, Tyler Lockett, or DK Metcalf for draft picks.