Julio to Seattle?

[obiken]

According to ESPN the Hawks have been in talks for JJ, what do you guys think?

[Aseahawkfan]

Not unless it is some super cheap Marshawn type of trade.

[c_hawkbob]

Infinitely prefer Julio to Antonio Brown (so glad he got signed elsewhere so we don't have to hear that anymore). I think it's about as likely though.

[NorthHawk]

How could they afford Julio’s 15+M salary?
As well it would mean we wouldn’t have a 1st or 2nd next year if that’s the compensation and
the rumors are true that the Falcons are only getting 2nd round offers. It might be more of a
publicity stunt in the hopes Wilson thinks they are trying to attract more Offensive talent.

[RiverDog]

I'm with you guys. Even if we had the means to make a run at JJ, it would be a waste of resources to devote a major part of our budget on improving an area of the team that is already one of if not the strongest position group on the team.

[TriCitySam]

Agreed. I can’t see spending capital, cash or trades or picks for another WR. Other needs, and we just signed a bunch of WR's. Both draft picks and FA’s. I know JS “wants to be in every deal”- probably just sniffing to see what it looks like. Sign Jamal.

[RiverDog]

The Seahawks sniffing around also runs up the market value, making JJ more expensive for our competitors.

[NorthHawk]

Talent wise, he could be a good addition, but given his age I don't think the cost in a high draft pick and big salary combine to make a thoughtful trade unless they think
they can win it all this year and don't care about the long term aspect of this team. Maybe they think Russ is out the door in a couple of years so why not go for it all now
and win a Super Bowl and pick up the pieces later. If they do give up a high draft pick, it will show that they have completely turned their back on how they built this team
when they got here.

[Oly]

Yeah, what y'all said. Especially TriCitySam: "Sign Jamal."

The cynic in me wonders if this is just about the front office going through the motions to show RW that they will follow any lead he wants them to. It's easier to keep Russ happy if they said "we tried, but just didn't have the sources" than if they never tried.

[NorthHawk]

Realistically they can't keep Jamal Adams and sign Jones as Adams will demand around $18M, so that would be around $33M for 2 players. We can't extend Wilson because the Cap hit would be around $45M
for him next year. Add in Wagner and it's approaching $100M for 4 players. They can be creative with the contracts to mitigate the Cap hit, but the only player not getting on in years is Adams.
Extending contracts for Jones would mean spending Cap money after he's retired. So, if they sign him it would probably mean they are going all in now and then have to blow it all up in a few years
when the Cap hit is too large. One other thought is maybe they are betting that with the gambling revenue, the future Cap will expand by a huge number and it won't be such a big deal. They may be
right, but it's a high risk strategy.

[obiken]

Realistically they can't keep Jamal Adams and sign Jones as Adams will demand around $18M, so that would be around $33M for 2 players. We can't extend Wilson because the Cap hit would be around $45M
for him next year. Add in Wagner and it's approaching $100M for 4 players. They can be creative with the contracts to mitigate the Cap hit, but the only player not getting on in years is Adams.
Extending contracts for Jones would mean spending Cap money after he's retired. So, if they sign him it would probably mean they are going all in now and then have to blow it all up in a few years
when the Cap hit is too large. One other thought is maybe they are betting that with the gambling revenue, the future Cap will expand by a huge number and it won't be such a big deal. They may be
right, but it's a high risk strategy.

18 million!!! River, please tell me that NH is wrong!! NO way we pay a defensive player that kind of money, please tell me!!!

[NorthHawk]

Adams wants to reset the market for Safeties and considers himself a DB. That would mean his demands could approach Jalen Ramsey's money at about $20 Million average per year.
So considering he isn't a shutdown corner, my guess is in the $18M/year average. He definitely wants more than the highest paid Safety, which is Justin Simmons at $15.25M average
per year and he considers himself more than just a Safety.

[obiken]

Oh thats just great! Why does great talent often come packaged with an arrogant Prima dona? I would tell him to walk but we really cant!! He has us by the Kahunas!

[RiverDog]

No, no, no to Julio. We have greater needs elsewhere.

Sign Adams or trade him. The team cannot afford to allow him to play out his contract with nothing in return. I have never figured out the why of the trade, as safety is not an area of drastic need, and we need help in the trenches. Get us a DT and/or a center. Adams is a great talent and is in some ways unique, as is Julio Jones, but the team is too close to being complete to waste resources on big names.

Ahh, great to see you again, Old Man!

I agree with you about Julio Jones. I can't imagine our front office being a serious suitor.

As far as Adams goes, I do not think it outrageous to pay him in the neighborhood of $15-$18M. He's not a typical safety, more of a hybrid DB/LB or something. He's the best defensive player on our team, the type of player teams have to game plan for, reminds me a lot of Kenny Easley. I don't think we're trading him as I can't imagine giving up the draft capital we did if we didn't have some type of unwritten understanding with him about a long term contract.

[obiken]

I agree with you about Julio Jones. I can't imagine our front office being a serious suitor.

As far as Adams goes, I do not think it outrageous to pay him in the neighborhood of $15-$18M. He's not a typical safety, more of a hybrid DB/LB or something. He's the best defensive player on our team, the type of player teams have to game plan for, reminds me a lot of Kenny Easley. I don't think we're trading him as I can't imagine giving up the draft capital we did if we didn't have some type of unwritten understanding with him about a long term contract.

Fine but he cannot stay healthy River, I think paying that kind of money for any Defensive player is a mistake. IF we had given up only one pick for JA, I believe we would have Jones right now. RW has been texting him. I agree kinda on Jones, Jones at 32 is not the Jones of 5 years ago.

[RiverDog]

I agree with you about Julio Jones. I can't imagine our front office being a serious suitor.

As far as Adams goes, I do not think it outrageous to pay him in the neighborhood of $15-$18M. He's not a typical safety, more of a hybrid DB/LB or something. He's the best defensive player on our team, the type of player teams have to game plan for, reminds me a lot of Kenny Easley. I don't think we're trading him as I can't imagine giving up the draft capital we did if we didn't have some type of unwritten understanding with him about a long term contract.

Fine but he cannot stay healthy River, I think paying that kind of money for any Defensive player is a mistake. IF we had given up only one pick for JA, I believe we would have Jones right now. RW has been texting him. I agree kinda on Jones, Jones at 32 is not the Jones of 5 years ago.

You need to look at Adam's overall injury history, Obi:

Jamal Adams Injury History

Date League Injury Details

Jan 3, 2021 NFL Shoulder Labrum Tear Adams hurt his shoulder in the regular-season finale against the 49ers and was in and out of the game after suffering the injury. He managed to play in the wild-card loss to the Rams.

Sep 27, 2020 NFL Inguinal Groin Strain Grade 2 Adams injured his groin during Week 3's win over the Dallas Cowboys. He missed the next 4 games

Sep 20, 2020 NFL Hand Finger Dislocation Adam suffered dislocated fingers during Week 2 win over the Patriots. He was available for the next game

Aug 3, 2017 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Adams missed just a few days of practice.

Chance of Injury in 2021: question mark 0%

Chance of Injury per Game: question mark 0%

Projected Games missed for 2021: question mark 0.0

https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/playe ... adams/9508

Plus Adams never missed a game due to injury in his 3 seasons at LSU. Especially when you consider his style of play, he's not injury prone.

[RiverDog]

RW has been texting him (Julio Jones).

Russell has been texting Jones about the possibility of playing together. My question for Russell is can Jones pass block?

WTF is Russell thinking? First he complains about "being hit too much", which would seem to indicate that he wants the team to improve the offensive line, and now he's apparently advocating that the Hawks trade for yet another wide receiver, one that he has to know would cost us dearly, after we spent our highest available draft selection on a WR and with two 1,000 yard, Pro Bowl quality receivers already in the fold. The man seems to be getting more and more unrealistic with his expectations.

[NorthHawk]

He also talked about getting more superstars, so it's not out of step with his statements.
It's just that the OL part was blown up more than the other statements.

[RiverDog]

He also talked about getting more superstars, so it's not out of step with his statements. It's just that the OL part was blown up more than the other statements.

So is Russell serious about us going after Jones or is he just fantasizing about playing with a HOF lineup of superstars? Either way, it doesn't seem like he's on the same wave length.

[NorthHawk]

He wants it all. Just like most of us.

[RiverDog]

He wants it all. Just like most of us.

So in other words, since it's unrealistic to have it all, Russell was fantasizing when he texted Julio Jones about playing with him. Is that your take?

[obiken]

So in other words, since it's unrealistic to have it all, Russell was fantasizing when he texted Julio Jones about playing with him. Is that your take?

Knowing Wilson as we do, with his Pollyannaish view of the world, he was probably just hoping.

[NorthHawk]

According to PFT, we are now the favorites to land Jones,
I think it would be a mistake, unless they coul re-sign Wilson to a long term deal with extra voidable
years and lower his Cap hit. Barring that it would put us in a long term hole by signing him.

[obiken]

According to PFT, we are now the favorites to land Jones,
I think it would be a mistake, unless they coul re-sign Wilson to a long term deal with extra voidable
years and lower his Cap hit. Barring that it would put us in a long term hole by signing him.

But NH, can you imagine DK on onside and JJ on the other, and TL cruising down the middle? Moreover, with our TE from LA having to be covered?, We will have MORE bonafide weapons than we have ever had!! Moreover we will be darn near bullet proof from injuries at that position. I still dont think it happens!!

[RiverDog]

According to PFT, we are now the favorites to land Jones, I think it would be a mistake, unless they could re-sign Wilson to a long term deal with extra voidable years and lower his Cap hit. Barring that it would put us in a long term hole by signing him.

We'll see. This could be just stroking Russell's ego, making him think that we're doing his bidding: "Gee, Russell, we really tried to sign JJ for you, but it just wasn't in the cards."

It would be a huge mistake if we traded yet another draft choice for a 32 year old receiver when we have so many pressing needs in other areas of the team.

[c_hawkbob]

Why would Florio be interested in stroking Russ' ego? He never misses an opportunity to talk sh!t about him.

[RiverDog]

Why would Florio be interested in stroking Russ' ego? He never misses an opportunity to talk sh!t about him.

I wasn't referring to Florio. I was referring to Pete and John.

[c_hawkbob]

Why would Florio be interested in stroking Russ' ego? He never misses an opportunity to talk sh!t about him.

I wasn't referring to Florio. I was referring to Pete and John.

None of this is coming from Pete and John. This is just Florio's blog talking about the Vegas odd of who signs Jones. FWIW He does also say:

Seattle should be regarded as a longshot.

And then to your point:

If it’s true that they’ve talked to the Falcons about a trade for Jones, the Seahawks quite possibly did so simply to placate quarterback Russell Wilson, who presumably would like to add Jones to the offense.

But I think that's a pretense of knowing John's motivation when it's very well known among all of here and in NFL circles that John talks to anybody and everybody. Placation doesn't need to be a factor at all. He always answers all calls.

If we reliably find out we placed a call I might change my mind.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... lio-jones/

[NorthHawk]

The story isn't Florio, it's the betting line that establishes the odds.
That's just the way outsiders look at it and are putting their money.
I don't know if they have inside information or it's just wild ass gambling.

[RiverDog]

It's being reported by more reporters than Florio. Here's what ESPN's Jeremy Fowler said: "I'm told Seattle has had a discussion about Julio Jones, certainly they would love to have him." Peter King reported that the Falcons would accept a "hard second round pick" for Jones. Dianna Russinni, also of ESPN, reported that the Hawks had discussions about a possible trade for Jones.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/100 ... -rams-buzz

I still think that if there is any substance to these reports, that it's just the Hawks either running up the price as two of the most likely landing spots are the Rams and Niners and/or they are doing it to pacify Russell. I can't believe that we'd actually pull the trigger on a trade.

[NorthHawk]

Jones has only played a full season 4 times in 10 years and last year only played 9 games due to injury.
I think at 32 he's on the downside of his career and at the point where injuries will play a larger role in his career than game time or production.
Maybe he does have 2 good years left, but the odds are against him.

[RiverDog]

Jones has only played a full season 4 times in 10 years and last year only played 9 games due to injury.
I think at 32 he's on the downside of his career and at the point where injuries will play a larger role in his career than game time or production.
Maybe he does have 2 good years left, but the odds are against him.

Good point.

[govandals]

I was on the fence about this for a few days, but PCJS could spend the 15 mil in other ways and make this team better than by adding Julio Jones. Brock Huard on the radio the other day insinuated Jones' best days are behind him, said there was a lot of work involved to get him ready on gameday. Bad hamstrings.

Honestly, I'm not only excited for Eskridge, but also Cade Johnson and Tamorrion Terry. Both of those guys had draftable grades. (I mean, really, who needs a future HOFer taking away snaps from UDFAs anyway, lol)

Biggest needs IMO:
3 tech with some wiggle. Sheldon Richardson or Geno Atkins would be nice.
A LEGIT outside corner.
Competition at center.

[obiken]

Never been a big fan of Sheldon Richardson. Atkins would be awesome!

[TriCitySam]

I was on the fence about this for a few days, but PCJS could spend the 15 mil in other ways and make this team better than by adding Julio Jones. Brock Huard on the radio the other day insinuated Jones' best days are behind him, said there was a lot of work involved to get him ready on gameday. Bad hamstrings.

Honestly, I'm not only excited for Eskridge, but also Cade Johnson and Tamorrion Terry. Both of those guys had draftable grades. (I mean, really, who needs a future HOFer taking away snaps from UDFAs anyway, lol)

Biggest needs IMO:
3 tech with some wiggle. Sheldon Richardson or Geno Atkins would be nice.
A LEGIT outside corner.
Competition at center.

I can't see 15 mil....you run the risk of pissing of Lockett and Metcalf, and they are much more important to the future of the Hawks. And I too am looking forward to seeing some of these younger guys.

[obiken]

I can't see 15 mil....you run the risk of pissing of Lockett and Metcalf, and they are much more important to the future of the Hawks. And I too am looking forward to seeing some of these younger guys.

Really, too bad!! When DK can stop dropping balls and becomes 1/2 the WR JJ was in his prime he can whine.

[c_hawkbob]

Well I do think DK is roughly half Julio at his best but you're right, he really does need to work on his focus.

[RiverDog]

Well I do think DK is roughly half Julio at his best but you're right, he really does need to work on his focus.

Which I think will come with experience. Metcalf only played in 27 games for Ole Miss and is just entering his 3rd season with us. The rap on Jerry Rice in his early years was his hands/focus. But I agree that Metcalf has a ways to go before he can be considered on the same level as JJ. Metcalf has shown that he has the capability to make some incredible catches ala Odell Beckham.

[c_hawkbob]

Yeah he's got it in him to wear a yellow jacket someday if he maximises his potention, but he definitely has a ways to go.

[Aseahawkfan]

DK is right on track to be Julio Jones or better. Their starting year stats are very comparable. DK has to take the next step in terms of big plays and he's Julio Jones or better.