Eagles game

[mykc14]

Pathetic early offense... slow out of the huddle multiple times. Figure it out offense!!!

[mykc14]

Put it together offense!!

[mykc14]

About time!!

[HawkDawg]

Did someone poison Carroll's turkey? We could have 3 points and all of our time outs by now!

[mykc14]

Why are they continually taking so long to to get out of the huddle?

[RiverDog]

Yeah, something's not right. Fortunately Philly is playing so poorly that all we'll have to do is bring our B game.

[RiverDog]

Wow, what a run by Carson! Who was that guy we used to have as a running back? Marshawn or something?

[mykc14]

Wow, what a run by Carson! Who was that guy we used to have as a running back? Marshawn or something?

Yeah that was a nice run... we are a different team with that type of devastating running.. tough no call on that intentional grounding.

[RiverDog]

This game scares me. We should be up by 3 scores. Philly is just horrible on both sides of the LOS.

I scared all the animals in our house at that no call on the grounding. Should be reviewable.

[mykc14]

This game scares me. We should be up by 3 scores. Philly is just horrible on both sides of the LOS.

I scared all the animals in our house at that no call on the grounding. Should be reviewable.

Yeah that was a frustrating half... to dominate them for most of the half and only be up a score is not what you want. Kick a few FGs and you’re up 22-6 getting the ball. Now you’re in a 1 score game. Offense better get points on this opening drive!

[RiverDog]

This game scares me. We should be up by 3 scores. Philly is just horrible on both sides of the LOS.

I scared all the animals in our house at that no call on the grounding. Should be reviewable.

Yeah that was a frustrating half... to dominate them for most of the half and only be up a score is not what you want. Kick a few FGs and you’re up 22-6 getting the ball. Now you’re in a 1 score game. Offense better get points on this opening drive!

Has Pete been been seduced by the move to analytics? The refusal to take the 3 points was incredibly stupid.

[mykc14]

Has Pete been been seduced by the move to analytics? The refusal to take the 3 points was incredibly stupid.

Maybe... the Hawks have been pretty good on 4th down, but when you don’t get it you look pretty bad.

[mykc14]

I’m thinking play stands...

[Hawk Sista]

Is it just me or is this crew sooooooo effin Philly?

[obiken]

We should be up by 3 td's but no, God forbid we could have a cruiser game as a Hawks fan!

[Hawk Sista]

This playing to the level of our opponent BS is getting old. Thank god Prince Harry just chortled out an INT

[jshawaii22]

Hey, everyone calm down. We're about to be 8-3 and back in 2nd in the NFC and next week we get that future HOF QB....Colt McCoy to go up to 9-3 and then the tigers of the NFL, the JETS... the NFL does not grade on style points.

[c_hawkbob]

This playing to the level of our opponent BS is getting old. Thank god Prince Harry just chortled out an INT

Prince Harry ... LOL!

[Hawk Sista]

[obiken]

This playing to the level of our opponent BS is getting old. Thank god Prince Harry just chortled out an INT

Yeah, I am getting sick of this Seattle Slew mentality, I want Secretariat, a machine that wins by 33 lengths!!

[Rambo2014]

That was a sorry exhibition of NFL football. You fellas just can’t put anybody away. Lol.

[Oly]

I wasn't able to watch the whole thing--really just the 2nd and 4th quarters--but is it just me or what the tackling uncharacteristically poor? I get that Wentz is a strong guy and tough to arm tackle in the pocket, but even when runners got to the 2nd level they seemed to slip out of tackles pretty easily.

[mykc14]

This playing to the level of our opponent BS is getting old. Thank god Prince Harry just chortled out an INT

Nice!! Quite the resemblance!

[mykc14]

This playing to the level of our opponent BS is getting old. Thank god Prince Harry just chortled out an INT

Yeah... I know we are committed to the run, but our last two possessions were basically give away possessions. Why not throw??

[jshawaii22]

The only people that should be really upset are anyone betting on the points with the Seahawks. Suffice to say, I'm glad I wasn't in Vegas tonight.
(they ended as 6 1/2 point favs). Expect to be the lead on Bad Beats soon.

[mykc14]

Hey, everyone calm down. We're about to be 8-3 and back in 2nd in the NFC and next week we get that future HOF QB....Colt McCoy to go up to 9-3 and then the tigers of the NFL, the JETS... the NFL does not grade on style points.

No question we have a few weeks of playing crappy football and still winning ahead of us if we want, but the frustration surrounds the fact that we don’t need to play like crap and win. We run too much when we should pass. We throw too much when we should run. We blitz too much when we should play base and play base too much when we should blitz. At the end of the day we don’t put bad teams away when we have the chance.

[mykc14]

The only people that should be really upset are anyone betting on the points with the Seahawks. Suffice to say, I'm glad I wasn't in Vegas tonight.
(they ended as 6 1/2 point favs). Expect to be the lead on Bad Beats soon.

No kidding there was a lot of money put on the Hawks +6.5... some guy lost 500k on that two point conversion!

[RiverDog]

The only people that should be really upset are anyone betting on the points with the Seahawks. Suffice to say, I'm glad I wasn't in Vegas tonight.
(they ended as 6 1/2 point favs). Expect to be the lead on Bad Beats soon.

Did you see my post on the guy that bet $.5M on the Hawks at -6.5? I'll bet his heart sunk on that Hail Mary.

[jshawaii22]

$500k on the Seahawks @ 6 1/2... ouch. I usually put up a C note or 2 and that's a lot when I visit LV. I sometimes wish Hawaii wasn't so tight on gambling, but then again, i guarantee tonight would of been my mortgage for a month.

[trents]

I certainly would not give Pete good grades in play calling and maybe a B- in player talent assessment when drafting and trading. The one area he does consistently well in is creating good team esprit de corps.

[jshawaii22]

I certainly would not give Pete good grades in play calling and maybe a B- in player talent assessment when drafting and trading. The one area he does consistently well in is creating good team esprit de corps.

While I understand your assessment, and maybe your use of "Pete" is just a misnomer for the "Seahawks" as a team... but,
Pete doesn't call offensive plays. That would be Brian Schottenheimer. I think Brian does a good job and adapts pretty well. He can't control Russell on a play-by-play or even a game-by-game basis. Russell had 2 bad games. It happens. What are you going to do? Pete may be involved in the game planning, but that's not his forte. Football is a game of constant adjustments. Tonight, they looked like the played like the 'game manager' Russell as the offense couldn't establish the run. Seems a lot better then Bevel after the LOB left.

'Talent assessment' as it pertains to the incoming college draft is really on JS and the scouts. I doubt Pete has the time to watch college tape until the players that JS and the staff are looking at have been cut down and then Pete sees the edited versions. While the scouts have, lets say 30 offensive tackles to judge, Pete sees film on 3 or 4 and he hasn't seem any of them live, like the scouts do. I'm not even sure Pete controls the final say on the draft. Of course he has input, but I've never watched the 'war room' ahead of the pick. Isn't that usually on the GM?

As for trading, that's a toss-up. Pete would tell JS what they need or JS would get a call and ask Pete what he thinks about a player. Yes, Pete has final say as it pertains to the 53 man roster and especially this year the practice squad, but Pete's not the one who is going out and calling teams and looking and designing the actual trades. That would be JS and the management/salary cap people.

The team did have some rough years in the daft, with ET being the real last first round pick that worked, but no team has had the success that we've had in rounds 4-7 and we get some good UDFA's not to mention at least 2 HOFers playing right now via the draft. On the downside, I'm sure I'm missing someone, but trading Unger never sat well with me. We finally have a good center now and through the draft, even if it took 4 years to figure it out.

Bottom line is, the Team and the City of Seattle will always have a RING and Pete and JS did it. Maybe this year. The year we beat Denver, the world viewed Peyton the same way they do Mahomes. We were big underdogs. We could do a lot worse. Sorry I ranted. The rerun of the game is a little boring right now.

[RiverDog]

Has Pete been been seduced by the move to analytics? The refusal to take the 3 points was incredibly stupid.

Maybe... the Hawks have been pretty good on 4th down, but when you don’t get it you look pretty bad.

I come from a day when the standard high school offense was a full house 'T' with two tight ends, so I'm inherently a conservative guy, but I do think that a good rule of thumb is to take the points in scoreless games, take the lead as opposed to being tied or trailing, and take the points in the first quarter. Once you get a feel for the game in the second half, then I don't mind the gambles nearly as much as I do on the first drive. It wasn't apparent in that first drive, but throughout the game, our OL was not getting a great push that would justify going for it in short yardage situations.

The other thing about that play that I didn't like is depending on a wide receiver (yes, even one as big and brawny as Metcalf) to make a crack down block like that on a linebacker that's in the game on a goal line defense. I would have much preferred to see Dissley in that position rather than Metcalf.

[RiverDog]

I certainly would not give Pete good grades in play calling and maybe a B- in player talent assessment when drafting and trading. The one area he does consistently well in is creating good team esprit de corps.

While I understand your assessment, and maybe your use of "Pete" is just a misnomer for the "Seahawks" as a team... but,
Pete doesn't call offensive plays.

Pete doesn't call offensive plays but he is directly responsible for game management as it relates to a 4th down, take the points or go for the TD decision. Pete has historically made some questionable decisions that are a little too bold for my taste.

I think Brian does a good job and adapts pretty well. He can't control Russell on a play-by-play or even a game-by-game basis. Russell had 2 bad games. It happens.

I'm basically good with both Shotty and Russell, but both had bad games last night. The plays weren't getting into the game smoothly, the Hawks were late out of the huddle and had to take 2 timeouts and a 5 yard delay of game penalty in the first half. I'm wondering if there was a technical problem as we did see Russell changing out his helmet early.

I don't think Shotty ever did get a good feel for the OL/DL matchup, and neither him or Russell tried to get the play outside on the edge in short yardage situations. Russell keeps trying to break the pocket up the middle whereas early in his career all he seemed to do was try to spin out of it to the outside. He had an intentional grounding call against him an earlier one that probably should have been called, although not as bad as the one Wentz got away with, and he lost track of the play clock again, this time in the red zone.

What are you going to do? Pete may be involved in the game planning, but that's not his forte. Football is a game of constant adjustments. Tonight, they looked like the played like the 'game manager' Russell as the offense couldn't establish the run. Seems a lot better then Bevel after the LOB left.

Shotty is an upgrade over Bevell IMO. Sometimes we lose sight of that in games like last night's.

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Talent assessment' as it pertains to the incoming college draft is really on JS and the scouts. I doubt Pete has the time to watch college tape until the players that JS and the staff are looking at have been cut down and then Pete sees the edited versions.

Pete and JS had a lot of drafting and trade success early on (I'm thinking mainly of Beast), which I attribute to Pete's college experience and connections. The further Pete got away from college, the worse our drafting and trades became.

Bottom line is, the Team and the City of Seattle will always have a RING and Pete and JS did it. Maybe this year. The year we beat Denver, the world viewed Peyton the same way they do Mahomes. We were big underdogs. We could do a lot worse. Sorry I ranted. The rerun of the game is a little boring right now.

JS's performance last offseason was horrid. He had money and there were players out there to fit our needs, but he chose to spend it on overkilling the TE position. His best move seems to have been acquiring Dunlap in mid season. But in general, I'm still on the Pete/JS bandwagon. We're competitive every year.

[NorthHawk]

Pete and JS had a lot of drafting and trade success early on (I'm thinking mainly of Beast), which I attribute to Pete's college experience and connections. The further Pete got away from college, the worse our drafting and trades became

Although the evidence suggests his college experience had a big effect on his evals, I'm not so sure that's the case unless he drafted a lot of players that he played a number of times. Did he see enough of ET or Kam to make a
decision? How about Wagner or Wilson? I can see his experience playing against Sherman and Baldwin being an asset, though. As well, his college contacts are still there. They haven't gone away or put him on ignore so that
in my mind doesn't fall into the loss of evaluation tool set.

[RiverDog]

Pete and JS had a lot of drafting and trade success early on (I'm thinking mainly of Beast), which I attribute to Pete's college experience and connections. The further Pete got away from college, the worse our drafting and trades became

Although the evidence suggests his college experience had a big effect on his evals, I'm not so sure that's the case unless he drafted a lot of players that he played a number of times. Did he see enough of ET or Kam to make a
decision? How about Wagner or Wilson? I can see his experience playing against Sherman and Baldwin being an asset, though. As well, his college contacts are still there. They haven't gone away or put him on ignore so that
in my mind doesn't fall into the loss of evaluation tool set.

Bobby Wagner played his high school football in LA at the same time Pete was HC at USC. Wags also stayed on the west coast, going to college at Utah State, so essentially he was a Pac 10 guy. Plus USC, like many other colleges, recruit nation wide.

It's not just about those players that he had personal experience with. I would assume that Pete had a network of former players, coaches, and scouts that fed him input about certain players. And it's not just about who to draft, it's about who not to draft as well.

As far as Russell goes, it's my understanding that JS had some very good information built on his time in Wisconsin as GM of the Packers that led him to believe that Russell was something special.

In any event, our recent drafts don't compare with those first several drafts of Pete's tenure.

[TriCitySam]

"Pete and JS had a lot of drafting and trade success early on (I'm thinking mainly of Beast), which I attribute to Pete's college experience and connections. The further Pete got away from college, the worse our drafting and trades became."

I don't believe there is a connection. It's a crap shoot and, all in all, they've drafted above average - and I think JS has had a good off season. Sometimes we blame JS, and maybe it's not him or Pete.

JS has been hammered for drafting Carpenter. It didn't work out so well for the Hawks, but he's been in the league for 10 years and started 80% of the time. Looking back, the failure there in my opinion wasn't JS or Pete or Carpenter. It was Tom Cable.

[NorthHawk]

I'm not sure it was all Cable's fault. He surely had signoff on the OL selections, but the criteria for OL to have certain measureables seems to have
come from our FO. In hindsight maybe it might have been better to select players that can play instead of trying to convert DL to OL because their
SPARQ numbers were withing a certain range. Although important, they never took into account a players innate ability for using leverage
or angles and just understanding how to play their position.

In writing all that, maybe I agree with you after all...

[RiverDog]

JS has been hammered for drafting Carpenter. It didn't work out so well for the Hawks, but he's been in the league for 10 years and started 80% of the time. Looking back, the failure there in my opinion wasn't JS or Pete or Carpenter. It was Tom Cable.

Agreed about Cable and Carpenter. We have to keep in mind that Pete appointed Cable the assistant head coach, the guy designated to step in if Pete were incapacitated or otherwise unable to carry out his HC duties. With that kind of earned respect accorded to him by the head coach, my assumption would be that Cable would have more say so in the drafting of a player like Carpenter than would the OC.

[TriCitySam]

Cable had a lot of trouble finding players that could. Now, he's doing OK with Raiders, but we improved a lot once Solari took over.

[RiverDog]

Cable had a lot of trouble finding players that could. Now, he's doing OK with Raiders, but we improved a lot once Solari took over.

I have a good friend that got a tryout with the Seahawks as an offensive tackle and attended rookie camp when Cable was the OL coach. He said that Cable wouldn't play them at their natural positions to give them a fair chance to showcase their abilities. He put him on the left side when he had played RT during his entire college career. He said that he wasn't the only player that happened to.