Cards game

[mykc14]

Oh, so you all mean that Pete was right all along about balance in the offense being a good thing and "Let Russ Cook" is not really the best plan once the opposing defenses get film on it. (at least for tonight, anyway) And Carson should be back for Philly.

Yeah I want us to be at a 60-40 run/pass ratio.

[TriCitySam]

Hats off to Damien Lewis! Kids never played center before, made a really good effort. If he stays healthy, he’s a 10-year plug and play guy.

[mykc14]

Hats off to Damien Lewis! Kids never played center before, made a really good effort. If he stays healthy, he’s a 10-year plug and play guy.

Yeah he toughed it out... high ankle sprain, but he started for us on Sunday

[trents]

Now we know why Russ struggled so much in the two previous games. Lack of balance leading to trying to do too much, and yes, other teams watching the films from early games and shutting off a lot of those chunk plays. Tonight, the Hawks' offense sustained drives and gave the D a blow now and then.

[mykc14]

Hats off to Damien Lewis! Kids never played center before, made a really good effort. If he stays healthy, he’s a 10-year plug and play guy.

My bad... you are 100% correct.thanks for pointing that out. The whole game I was thinking Lewis was Fuller. Way to step up Lewis!! Yes, Lewis is a stud!!

[obiken]

Oh, so you all mean that Pete was right all along about balance in the offense being a good thing and "Let Russ Cook" is not really the best plan once the opposing defenses get film on it. (at least for tonight, anyway) And Carson should be back for Philly.

I always wondered who decides if they come back or not. IF the Doctor clears them but the player feels that they should give the injury another week, if he gets the week?

[RiverDog]

Hats off to Damien Lewis! Kids never played center before, made a really good effort. If he stays healthy, he’s a 10-year plug and play guy.

My bad... you are 100% correct.thanks for pointing that out. The whole game I was thinking Lewis was Fuller. Way to step up Lewis!! Yes, Lewis is a stud!!

We did almost have a disaster on a fumbled center exchange, but that was likely due to an unfamiliarity between Lewis and Russell, but more concerning is that Lewis committed another costly holding penalty and is starting to show signs of becoming an Ifedi like penalty machine. That was Lewis's 8th penalty in as many games, tied for most in the league, and his 5th holding penalty, again tied for first. Solari still has some work to do.

Outside of the penalties, I agree that Lewis is a stud and one of the few offensive linemen we've drafted that has produced immediate results.

[NorthHawk]

I think that holding penalty was suspect as he was being bowled over and the defender fell on him.
Considering he hasn't played Center since before his major college days and he's a rookie in the NFL,
he's doing very well. I expect him to get a lot of penalties his first year just from the speed and
playing an unfamiliar position adds to that probability. Forgetting the snap count was
expected as well. It happens to seasoned veterans at times who move to Center so it's understandable
that it would happen to a rookie.

[RiverDog]

I think that holding penalty was suspect as he was being bowled over and the defender fell on him.
Considering he hasn't played Center since before his major college days and he's a rookie in the NFL,
he's doing very well. I expect him to get a lot of penalties his first year just from the speed and
playing an unfamiliar position adds to that probability. Forgetting the snap count was
expected as well. It happens to seasoned veterans at times who move to Center so it's understandable
that it would happen to a rookie.

He had his hands outside the body frame of the defender, and when that happens, you're putting yourself at risk of attracting a flag. While I might excuse one penalty for his being unfamiliar with the position, he's drawn enough of them to establish a pattern that needs to send up a warning flag to the Seahawks coaching staff.

I'm not on the guy's case or indicating that his performance is unacceptable. I'm merely pointing out a weakness in his game that has room for improvement.

[Hawktawk]

What was that penalty for "unsportsmanlike conduct" on the punt that led to the Card's first touchdown? Ref said, "defender went out of bounds and didn't immediately come back in." What was that all about? The defender was pushed out of bounds and came back in pretty quick. Did I misunderstand what the ref said or did he misspeak?

I didn't see the unsportsmanlike but its a ridiculous penalty 15 yards on an arbitrary ruling ("he stayed out of bounds far too long")when the guys only out of bounds because he was pushed out of bounds. Why isn't that a penalty?. It bookended the horrible holding call a couple plays earlier that took away DKs catch and forced the punt in the first place. Totally flipped the momentum of the game.

Tony Corrente had a horrible game, terrible.

[NorthHawk]

He had his hands outside the body frame of the defender, and when that happens, you're putting yourself at risk of attracting a flag. While I might excuse one penalty for his being unfamiliar with the position, he's drawn enough of them to establish a pattern that needs to send up a warning flag to the Seahawks coaching staff.

I'm not on the guy's case or indicating that his performance is unacceptable. I'm merely pointing out a weakness in his game that has room for improvement.

He's a rookie so he's going to make mistakes. And last night he was playing out of position, so he's going to make more mistakes. All I see are rookie type errors and
his versatility makes him an even better value in the 3rd round.

[Hawktawk]

Unbelievable the kid played center for the first time ever in the league as a rookie and did as well as he did. We ran the ball well and he protected well enough.That outside the frame BS is Troy Aikman wasting oxygen.Ive never seen it called when the defender is rushing straight at the lineman.
Dude got pancaked, plain and simple. Totally flipped the momentum on a bad call by a bad crew.

[NorthHawk]

That's simply a technique issue. Hand placement is a detail that needs to be learned and become automatic, but
still, it will happen from time to time. One thing that rookies face is every week are players who are better
than almost any player they've played against in College. There are some exceptions, but they are rare, so detailed
and refined techniques need to be learned and perfected.

[obiken]

Unbelievable the kid played center for the first time ever in the league as a rookie and did as well as he did. We ran the ball well and he protected well enough.That outside the frame BS is Troy Aikman wasting oxygen.Ive never seen it called when the defender is rushing straight at the lineman.
Dude got pancaked, plain and simple. Totally flipped the momentum on a bad call by a bad crew.

See I like Troy, but yeah he was out to lunch on this one!

[c_hawkbob]

Unbelievable the kid played center for the first time ever in the league as a rookie and did as well as he did. We ran the ball well and he protected well enough.That outside the frame BS is Troy Aikman wasting oxygen.Ive never seen it called when the defender is rushing straight at the lineman.
Dude got pancaked, plain and simple. Totally flipped the momentum on a bad call by a bad crew.

Yeah, since when did getting pancaked become a holding penalty? There should be a mechanism by which the official in NY (or a press box in the stadium or however the hell they're doing it now) can call down and say "uh uh man, we don't change the entire flow of the game on a bogus call like that".

[jshawaii22]

Trents -- the rule is that if the gunner runs out of bounds, even if he's pushed out of bounds or just runs out to avoid a hit, he MUST come back on the field as soon as possible. In this case, the replay showed him running out of bounds and then continuing about 30 yards out of bounds before coming back onto the field, and yes, that's a penalty and it's called now and then. He should of known better. That's a 'coaching point'.

[TriCitySam]

We did almost have a disaster on a fumbled center exchange, but that was likely due to an unfamiliarity between Lewis and Russell, but more concerning is that Lewis committed another costly holding penalty and is starting to show signs of becoming an Ifedi like penalty machine. That was Lewis's 8th penalty in as many games, tied for most in the league, and his 5th holding penalty, again tied for first. Solari still has some work to do.

Outside of the penalties, I agree that Lewis is a stud and one of the few offensive linemen we've drafted that has produced immediate results.

He’s a rookie and this was his first start at center at ANY level,
- thrown into it this week - a short week. Pete said he hadn’t played it in college or HS. Could have been a disaster, it wasn’t. Held his own pretty well. 5 holding penalties and 2 were this week. I don’t see him as an Ifedi at all. Most rookie OL Don’t get this much playing time. He started game 1.

[trents]

Trents -- the rule is that if the gunner runs out of bounds, even if he's pushed out of bounds or just runs out to avoid a hit, he MUST come back on the field as soon as possible. In this case, the replay showed him running out of bounds and then continuing about 30 yards out of bounds before coming back onto the field, and yes, that's a penalty and it's called now and then. He should of known better. That's a 'coaching point'.

I only caught that part of the play out of the corner of my eye but it didn't seem to be nearly 30 yd before reentering the field. I could be wrong. They never showed a replay.

[jshawaii22]

They did show a replay. I missed the KO, too. Not sure how far along in the game before they showed it, but there was a Seahawk running just out of bounds for a long way. It was discussed by Aikman and I think the FOX 'football penalty guru' and they agreed, too.

And since we're discussing dumb penalties, the award this week goes to Q. Diggs. His unsportsmanlike for the shot to Hopkins cost us a punt by 'Zona and then a touchdown a few plays later. Haven't seen a lot of that dumb play this year. DK swung and missed in that scuffle he was in. Could of been another one. Duane Brown carried him out of the scrum.

[Hawktawk]

They did show a replay. I missed the KO, too. Not sure how far along in the game before they showed it, but there was a Seahawk running just out of bounds for a long way. It was discussed by Aikman and I think the FOX 'football penalty guru' and they agreed, too.

And since we're discussing dumb penalties, the award this week goes to Q. Diggs. His unsportsmanlike for the shot to Hopkins cost us a punt by 'Zona and then a touchdown a few plays later. Haven't seen a lot of that dumb play this year. DK swung and missed in that scuffle he was in. Could of been another one. Duane Brown carried him out of the scrum.

Diggs was stupid there but the guy flopped too and immediately pointed at his head while looking at the ref and I'm not sure Diggs even touched his head. It was a glancing blow that I saw coupled with a great sales job but there was no excuse for coming near the man in todays NFL.Dumb. Glad we got away with it.
DKs suspect hands he seemed to have done away with came back big time with the TD throw he tried to catch with his face mask also another clear drop. I hope that the exception.

[Hawktawk]

Better hand another bonehead to David Moore too. The guy is a sleeper IMO, big smooth guy with nice hands but that third down WTF He must have just forgot where he was on the field because he is usually a high effort guy.

[obiken]

He’s a rookie and this was his first start at center at ANY level,
- thrown into it this week - a short week. Pete said he hadn’t played it in college or HS. Could have been a disaster, it wasn’t. Held his own pretty well. 5 holding penalties and 2 were this week. I don’t see him as an Ifedi at all. Most rookie OL Don’t get this much playing time. He started game 1.

I agree TS, as far as I am concerned we can just leave him there! We havent had a good center since Max Unger left! Who was the best? Blair Bush?

[obiken]

Running game was the biggest factor, Without him we were like Dr Jekyll, and Carlos Hyde! Sorry I just couldn't resist!!

[RiverDog]

I agree TS, as far as I am concerned we can just leave him there! We havent had a good center since Max Unger left! Who was the best? Blair Bush?

Robbie Tobeck is my favorite. Justin Britt didn't perform too badly.

[mykc14]

I agree TS, as far as I am concerned we can just leave him there! We havent had a good center since Max Unger left! Who was the best? Blair Bush?

Really?? He played better at RG than center and Pocic has been solid at center. Seems like a waste. I think we’ve actually been pretty lucky at center... Tobeck, Unger, Britt was good, and Pocic has been fine.

[obiken]

Robbie Tobeck is my favorite. Justin Britt didn't perform too badly.

Tobeck, Walt, and Poison Pill, can you imagine RW behind that line??!!!

[TriCitySam]

I like Bush...Tobek as well. Although he didn't stay as long, Mawae was probably the best.

[RiverDog]

I like Bush...Tobek as well. Although he didn't stay as long, Mawae was probably the best.

I had forgotten about Kevin Mawae. Thanks for the memory jog.

[Hawktawk]

Didn't we have John Yarno in the beginning?

[RiverDog]

Didn't we have John Yarno in the beginning?

Yeah, we did. But he never got within sniffing distance of any post season awards. He doesn't make the list of great Seahawk centers IMO.

[Hawktawk]

I had a high school classmate Dale Clark who got a full ride to the same college as Yarno to play linebacker. I think it was Idaho. He said Yarno was the scariest guy he ever played against. He broke his thumb in the morning practice of 2 a days and came back for the afternoon casted up, P.Od and mangled everyone he came near .

Dale said he was scared of him and he was a big fast guy and 2 way star on our state title team. I guess it demonstrates the leap from college to the pros.

[obiken]

I had a high school classmate Dale Clark who got a full ride to the same college as Yarno to play linebacker. I think it was Idaho. He said Yarno was the scariest guy he ever played against. He broke his thumb in the morning practice of 2 a days and came back for the afternoon casted up, P.Od and mangled everyone he came near .

Dale said he was scared of him and he was a big fast guy and 2 way star on our state title team. I guess it demonstrates the leap from college to the pros.

Yeah, you talk to players the leap from HS to College is big, but College to the NFL is exponential. I was talking to a guy that played WR at Oregon for us, and played for the Chiefs, some of you might remember JJ Birden. He said he hit the weight room and protein in his Jr year, to the combine, he said it didnt save his job, it saved his life! He went from 5-10 157 lbs at Lakeridge, to 200 lbs in the NFL. Not a great player but played 9 seasons. Yeah Lineman are worse!!