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by **Klanky** » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:43 pm

Everson Griffen traded to Lions for a 6th round pick, Seahawks must not really of wanted him, cause they also dragged their feet in the offseason when he was out there, this is so frustrating not fixing the pass rush, or at least attempting to,
The d has some really good players, so they should be as bad as they have been, I think it’s the overall scheme and things they refuse to do or try to do, and mixing things up...
Pete commented he wished they would have changed things and made adjustments in the 2 nd half on D but didn’t do crap, yet the other team did, I saw a big difference in the cards D in 2nd half, other teams make adjustments in the game but the hawks never usually seem to, ..... very frustrating

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:08 pm

I'm getting a feeling that Pete and John aren't on the same page like they used to be.
It's almost like JS is trying to mess things up on purpose. I've had a strange feeling about the way he's answered questions since
he wasn't permitted to interview for the Packers GM position. Or maybe it's just hubris after winning the SB and he thinks he can
just pull a rabbit out of any hat. But something seems wrong to me...

by **Klanky** » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:22 pm

Do you all think the Seahawks could/ should look at trading a quality player or two where they are plenty deep at , to gain some draft picks back then turn around and use those picks to acquire some much needed edge rushers

by **mykc14** » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:34 pm

Klanky wrote:Everson Griffen traded to Lions for a 6th round pick, Seahawks must not really of wanted him, cause they also dragged their feet in the offseason when he was out there, this is so frustrating not fixing the pass rush, or at least attempting to,
The d has some really good players, so they should be as bad as they have been, I think it’s the overall scheme and things they refuse to do or try to do, and mixing things up...
Pete commented he wished they would have changed things and made adjustments in the 2 nd half on D but didn’t do crap, yet the other team did, I saw a big difference in the cards D in 2nd half, other teams make adjustments in the game but the hawks never usually seem to, ..... very frustrating

This is frustrating news. Griffen is not a game changer like Ngakoue would have been but he seems like an upgrade at a position of need. 3 mil and a conditional 6th round pick (they don't have a 6th rounder next year) doesn't seem like a high price to pay for such an obvious need. Maybe something else is in the works, but it seems like they are happy with their guys and feel like a tweak here or there will make the difference. It wouldn't shock me if, had Griffen come here, he would have ended up being our leader in sacks.

by **obiken** » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:00 pm

DAm it!

by **Klanky** » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:29 pm

Schneider is starting to piss me off, he’s whiffed on the majority of draft picks in recent years mostly on the D side of things, and they didn’t want to fix the pass rush in the off season very bad,
He needs to fix this somehow.. or like others have said wasting Wilson in his prime, and if I was Lockett I’d be pissed losing the last game after the amazing game he had.... Tired of the excuses Pete also has, “ were on it” “ were looking at things and where to tweek a few things” “ we have guys coming back” , blah blah blah,..
Well how long do they need to look at it, it’s been going on for at least a year and a half now... be creative and get in some few blood, what you have isn’t going to cut it....

by **obiken** » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:36 pm

Klanky wrote:Schneider is starting to piss me off, he’s whiffed on the majority of draft picks in recent years mostly on the D side of things, and they didn’t want to fix the pass rush in the off season very bad,
He needs to fix this somehow.. or like others have said wasting Wilson in his prime, and if I was Lockett I’d be pissed losing the last game after the amazing game he had.... Tired of the excuses Pete also has, “ were on it” “ were looking at things and where to tweek a few things” “ we have guys coming back” , blah blah blah,..
Well how long do they need to look at it, it’s been going on for at least a year and a half now... be creative and get in some few blood, what you have isn’t going to cut it....

When has PS or PC fixed either lines? My best friend lives in Cleveland, he said can you imagine if last year the Hawks and the Ravens had flopped QB's with all of their All-Pros? Ravens would not have lost a game!

by **Klanky** » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:47 pm

obiken wrote:
When has PS or PC fixed either lines? My best friend lives in Cleveland, he said can you imagine if last year the Hawks and the Ravens had flopped QB's with all of their All-Pros? Ravens would not have lost a game!

Very true, at least the Oline is actually pretty decent right now, I just don’t understand the abysmal D this year, sure they have their moments but they get lost in all the other crappy play, Not sure what it is but the Seahawks coaches don’t seem to want to change within a game, and scheme something different,... if you always play the same kind of defense the other team can be more effective...
It’s no different then in baseball, that’s why a pitcher has to give different looks/ pitches or he will get killed, if he throws nothing different and always the same thing the hitters will sooner or later exploit it....

by **trents** » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:33 pm

Effective DL pass rushers seems to be the biggest need around the league, not just with the Hawks. Apparently, they don't grow on trees and with the trend toward more passing downs that makes it a vital position. And when you do get one, they often flame out pretty soon. One of the TV announcers for the Titans/Rams game this past Sunday noted that Clowney had been effective for the Titans in creating pressure on opposing QBs but was not getting any sacks. Same pattern we saw when he played for us last year.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:10 am

obiken wrote:When has PS or PC fixed either lines? My best friend lives in Cleveland, he said can you imagine if last year the Hawks and the Ravens had flopped QB's with all of their All-Pros? Ravens would not have lost a game!

I understand that your pet peeve is the offensive line, but the fact of the matter is that our current OL isn't that bad. Various statistical measures, like rushing yards per attempt, 3rd/4th down conversions, have us ranked in the top half or top 1/3 of the league and various ranking criteria has us rated as middle of the road or better. Considering that we haven't devoted a ton of resources to that position group, we've done very well along the OL.

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:25 am

Saints just traded for JJ Watt. 2nd rounder.

by **obiken** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:12 am

Oh thats just great damn IT to Hell!!!

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:22 am

Cheer up, Dunlap was never all world but he has been a Pro Bowler.

by **obiken** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:36 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Cheer up, Dunlap was never all world but he has been a Pro Bowler.

Sorry guy, its not like the old days, it takes a lot for me to lose it.

by **Klanky** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:54 am

If anyone has Seahawks connections to the front office, put a bug in their ear, we need one more quality edge rusher, don’t stop with just Dunlap, my preference is they try to go and get Kerrigan, he’s still is effective even in a reduced role.... But I’m certain there are aware, and on it, just hope they don’t miss out on getting someone else who can have an immediate impact, and help the D

But of course I realize other teams are needing what we need and Will surely be competing for their services, Edge rushers are in short supply

by **mykc14** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:00 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Cheer up, Dunlap was never all world but he has been a Pro Bowler.

Yeah he's a good pickup, better than Griffen and compares favorably to Watt over the past few years. Don't miss hear me, Watt is a better player but Griffen has had better overall numbers over the past 4 years (Watt has been hurt more):
Stats from 16-19

Watt: 108 Tackles 25.5 Sacks
Dunlap: 205 Tackles 32.5 Sacks

Again, Watt was hurt a lot during that time, but Dunlap has been very good. Last year Dunlap had 61 Tackles and 9 Sacks.

by **mykc14** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:02 am

Klanky wrote:If anyone has Seahawks connections to the front office, put a bug in their ear, we need one more quality edge rusher, don’t stop with just Dunlap, my preference is they try to go and get Kerrigan, he’s still is effective even in a reduced role.... But I’m certain there are aware, and on it, just hope they don’t miss out on getting someone else who can have an immediate impact, and help the D

But of course I realize other teams are needing what we need and Will surely be competing for their services, Edge rushers are in short supply

I would love to get Kerrigan as a situation pass rusher. His pressure percentage is great this year I just have a hard time seeing us giving up more draft picks. Depending on what we gave up for Dunlap we don't have much left in terms of draft picks and Kerrigan would cost another 6 mil or so...

by **Klanky** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:07 am

Like I said in other posts, if the hawks really wanted to they could find away, trade a player or 2 where they are flush ( te) to someone in need and get a draft pick or two that way then turn around and use those picks for another edge rusher....

by **mykc14** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:11 am

Klanky wrote:Like I said in other posts, if the hawks really wanted to they could find away, trade a player or 2 where they are flush ( te) to someone in need and get a draft pick or two that way then turn around and use those picks for another edge rusher....

The fact that they only gave up a 7th and Finney for Dunlap means that they could still get a guy like Kerrigan if Washington is willing to make a deal.

by **Klanky** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:12 pm

Reading an article about possible trades, One thing that could give the Seahawks an inside track with Washington is with Schneider and their Gm are really close friends , Scott M.... and that there is 2 potential trades there in Anderson and Kerrigan , Anderson sounds interesting and is young, or do you try and get Kerrigan with his track record

by **Klanky** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:47 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:Saints just traded for JJ Watt. 2nd rounder.

I see no where that saints got watt.. not even anything about him on the saints website

by **c_hawkbob** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:34 pm

It was evidently a proposed trade a guy on the 12th man (FB forum) posted as an actual trade. He had a link so I bit (without having actually clicked on the link), my bad. It all happened minutes before the Dunlap news broke so I hadn't given it another thought till now.

by **Klanky** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:07 pm

[quote="c_hawkbob"]It was evidently a proposed trade a guy on the 12th man (FB forum) posted as an actual trade. He had a link so I bit (without having actually clicked on the link), my bad. It all happened minutes before the Dunlap news broke so I hadn't given it another thought till now.[/quote

Ya I was confused, cause wasn’t seeing it anywhere, and not that will happen but watching current videos , have the Seahawks possible trade of J.J. Watt

by **Klanky** » Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:22 am

Alex Collins to the Practice squad, depth just in case for later... my question why not just put marshawn on there as well... so he’s ready to go

by **c_hawkbob** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:20 am

GMFB this morning is still connecting us with Takk Mckinley before the trade deadline, saying we're not done looking for edge help yet. The question was about McKinley and we were the only team mentioned.

by **mykc14** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:30 am

c_hawkbob wrote:GMFB this morning is still connecting us with Takk Mckinley before the trade deadline, saying we're not done looking for edge help yet. The question was about McKinley and we were the only team mentioned.

Glad we’re not done looking. Tak could definitely help and give us depth.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:12 pm

He’s also quite young so he shouldn’t have reached his peak yet.

by **Hawk Sista** » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:09 pm

North - you are one of my all time favorite posters, but good luck over good management? Really?

by **Aseahawkfan** » Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:26 am

And Dunlap and Snacks haven't played yet? So we have edge rush help coming. Adding more would be nice. Though no more of this soft defense with the lead. Just keep on attacking.

by **obiken** » Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:26 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:And Dunlap and Snacks haven't played yet? So we have edge rush help coming. Adding more would be nice. Though no more of this soft defense with the lead. Just keep on attacking.

No kidding, the prevent defense that doesnt prevent a damn thing but victory.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:41 am

Old but Slow wrote:The Seahawks currently have 5 tight ends. One or two of them can be trade bait, and late round draft picks are expendable, so I am expecting some action before Tuesday's trade deadline. Today's Niner game showed some defensive improvement, and it seems to me the defense could be on the rise. Another rusher with some skills and they could reach a new level..

Tight ends don't seem to be a high value commodity unless you're talking about a Kittle or Kelce. We tried dangling Jacob Hollister in the offseason and didn't get any takers. But who knows? Someone out there might be desperate enough and with the trade deadline being Tuesday, they may feel compelled to pull the trigger as it is their last chance.

by **Klanky** » Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:09 am

Tight ends don't seem to be a high value commodity unless you're talking about a Kittle or Kelce. We tried dangling Jacob Hollister in the offseason and didn't get any takers. But who knows? Someone out there might be desperate enough and with the trade deadline being Tuesday, they may feel compelled to pull the trigger as it is their last chance.[/quote]

I’ve been reading that Hollister, was being dangled for possible trade, and garnered plenty of interest, while looking into the Dunlap trade, that they were looking to clear some cap money, but pulled back after being able to trade finney... also sounds like it could still happen with holliter, or someone also mentioned Greg Olsen, to a needy te team.... so who knows

by **jshawaii22** » Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:02 pm

Not good news today with one of our backup DE's. Damontre Moore is suspended for the next 6 games due to being caught using a PED of some kind per NFL wire. No other info given. He should have the right to appeal, but I'm not sure he hasn't already done that, and lost. Possible that we knew and that's why we went for Dunlop.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:22 pm

obiken wrote:No kidding, the prevent defense that doesnt prevent a damn thing but victory.

I'll make you a deal, Obi. If you're civil with me, I'll be civil with you.

Yeah. I hate the prevent defense. We were doing better playing aggressive. In this era of quick passing games and scoring when given open ground, the prevent should go away.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:49 am

obiken wrote:No kidding, the prevent defense that doesnt prevent a damn thing but victory.

Aseahawkfan wrote:I'll make you a deal, Obi. If you're civil with me, I'll be civil with you.

Yeah. I hate the prevent defense. We were doing better playing aggressive. In this era of quick passing games and scoring when given open ground, the prevent should go away.

The only way we were getting significant pressure on the opposing QB was by blitzing. When you have a 3 score lead with 14 minutes left in the game, you don't start blitzing and forcing an undermanned secondary into one-on-one coverage when the only way your opponent is going to get back into the game was with at least one quick TD.

The main reason why the Niners were gaining yards in the 4th quarter where they weren't earlier in the game was because of the lack of pressure. As we all know, we do not have a great front 4 that can maintain consistent pressure without supplementing it with blitzes. I'm not going to complain about a 10 point win.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Nov 03, 2020 5:12 am

Our defense played the 4th quarter absolutely appropriately under the circumstances. I know the prevent D isn't popular among fans but there is a solid reason every team still uses it.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:58 am

Isn't today the final day to make a trade? I hope there is one more in the works to help along the DL.

I always thought the prevent defense was terrible, but it's supposed to stop a quick TD. It's fine if you have
a 17 point lead, but it seems to me to be terrible when it's a close game.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:51 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Our defense played the 4th quarter absolutely appropriately under the circumstances. I know the prevent D isn't popular among fans but there is a solid reason every team still uses it.

This.

You don't get extra credit for winning by 23 points vs. winning by 10. So what if we gave up a couple of meaningless scores?

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:16 am

Hawk Sista wrote:North - you are one of my all time favorite posters, but good luck over good management? Really?

Well, consider the drafting and FA history.
Our first few drafts got us Russ, ET, Sherm, and Wagner while also adding Avril, Clemons, Bennett, via FA. Since then, what have
we got in talent? We've had a series of drafts where players barely panned out and finding gems later has been a struggle. As well
other than perhaps Duane Brown, we haven't picked up many FA's or had good trades. Perhaps Dunlap will change that, but our FO
seemed to be blind about the DL this year and last and hoped a couple of players that were never asked to carry the load as pass
rushers would do the job. We've given up draft picks for DL only to let them go after 1 year (Clowney and was it Richardson?) all the
while letting the DL slide into bottom of the league territory.
So were the good years good mgmt in discovering good players and the remaining years bad mgmt in not finding those types? I think
there is a lot to argue that it was very good luck we got Wagner and Wilson - and good luck Lockett and Metcalf lately, but what about
the surrounding cast? Other than a smattering of good players over 7 years, nothing has compared to the first 3.

by **jshawaii22** » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:17 pm

Actually the trade for Dunlop is rated as the best of all the trades that were made in the last week. Most of the trades were pretty bland and other then the signing of AB, weren't names anyone knew. For all the talk over the past week, very few trades were actually done.

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