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by **Klanky** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:15 am

Can’t send article, but just happening Carlos Dunlap is being traded to Seahawks... for undisclosed pick and player... a great start now go get Kerrigan

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:18 am

Undisclosed draft pick and player according to nfl.com

Edit:
Did you update your post or did I just have a brain fart?

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:19 am

I was going to wait till it's official at 4 this afternoon to give it it's own thread ('specially after scolding OBI yesterday), but now I don't have to ... this is great news!

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:23 am

https://www.nfl.com/news/cincinnati-ben ... e-seahawks

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:24 am

Takk McKinley is on the block, too. Could we afford him as well?

by **Klanky** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:33 am

NorthHawk wrote:Takk McKinley is on the block, too. Could we afford him as well?

I wouldn’t go there, he seems to be injured a lot, go after Kerrigan ...

by **mykc14** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:53 am

Yes, after passing on Griffen I was hoping something else was in the works. Dunlap is a good pickup for us. He should be able to be an 7-10 sack guy. His cap hit is only 4 mil this year and they have an option to keep him next year for 11 mil. I like the move. Like Bob said he's not JJ Watt, but neither is Watt. He's also not Ngakoue, but he is a legitimate pass rusher with upside. He instantly becomes our best pass rusher and he isn't bad in the run game.

by **Klanky** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:56 am

mykc14 wrote:Yes, after passing on Griffen I was hoping something else was in the works. Dunlap is a good pickup for us. He should be able to be an 7-10 sack guy. His cap hit is only 4 mil this year and they have an option to keep him next year for 11 mil. I like the move. Like Bob said he's not JJ Watt, but neither is Watt. He's also not Ngakoue, but he is a legitimate pass rusher with upside. He instantly becomes our best pass rusher and he isn't bad in the run game.

Right on...and not to mention, He should be super pumped to be coming to Seattle, and motivated to show what he can do

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:58 am

BJ Finney and a 7th for Dunlap

by **Klanky** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:00 am

NorthHawk wrote:BJ Finney and a 7th for Dunlap

Nice.....

by **mykc14** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:03 am

NorthHawk wrote:BJ Finney and a 7th for Dunlap

Are you kidding me... this is a steal. Even if Dunlap gives you nothing he is giving us more than Finney did. Great move!!

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:05 am

According to Spotrac, next year Dunlaps Cap Hit is $11.25 million.
So this is either a 1 year signing or they may have to renegotiate his contract - maybe convert some to a signing bonus or other move.

by **Klanky** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:11 am

Are you kidding me... this is a steal. Even if Dunlap gives you nothing he is giving us more than Finney did. Great move!![/quote]

Ya exactly, got rid of Finney who wasn’t doing anything and his salary, and most 7th rounders don’t even make the team or pan out

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:13 am

It's an upgrade in talent for the team, but he's just an improvement and not the savior for this Defense.
But it's a step in the right direction. Too bad they didn't make other DL changes earlier in the year.

by **mykc14** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:24 am

NorthHawk wrote:According to Spotrac, next year Dunlaps Cap Hit is $11.25 million.
So this is either a 1 year signing or they may have to renegotiate his contract - maybe convert some to a signing bonus or other move.

There's no dead money involved so they can just cut him at the end of the year if it doesn't work out. If he plays well they could sign him to a contract to reduce that number, but at the end of the day it is a really good move for the Hawks. It doesn't fix the pass rush but it does help.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:49 am

There's no dead money involved so they can just cut him at the end of the year if it doesn't work out. If he plays well they could sign him to a contract to reduce that number, but at the end of the day it is a really good move for the Hawks. It doesn't fix the pass rush but it does help.

I was thinking more of the Cap hit next year on his current contract.
But to give up on him after trading away BJ Finney?
They can't be that dumb...

by **mykc14** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:01 pm

NorthHawk wrote:
I was thinking more of the Cap hit next year on his current contract.
But to give up on him after trading away BJ Finney?
They can't be that dumb...

I can understand the sarcasm and I laughed... I know you don't trade away your biggest off-season acquisition just for a half-season rental.

by **jshawaii22** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:10 pm

Dunlop was the 3rd string DE on the Bengals team and that's why he wanted out. I can understand the excitement and anticipation if we had actually traded for JJ Watt, but lets be realistic about this signing. Cincy's blog seem to agree that he's old, over the hill and they're glad to see him go. At best, he's a stopgap for us right now where it looks like there are many other old, over the hill DE's seem to be 'trade' bait from other teams that are coming on-line before the trade deadline next week.

Everson Griffin is a prime example of why 30+ year old DE's have limited use. Signed by Dallas and then cut by Dallas.

by **mykc14** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:28 pm

jshawaii22 wrote:Dunlop was the 3rd string DE on the Bengals team and that's why he wanted out. I can understand the excitement and anticipation if we had actually traded for JJ Watt, but lets be realistic about this signing. Cincy's blog seem to agree that he's old, over the hill and they're glad to see him go. At best, he's a stopgap for us right now where it looks like there are many other old, over the hill DE's seem to be 'trade' bait from other teams that are coming on-line before the trade deadline next week.

Everson Griffin is a prime example of why 30+ year old DE's have limited use. Signed by Dallas and then cut by Dallas.

I will believe that Dunlap is done when he has a bad year. Last year, at 30 years old, he had 63 tackles and 9 sacks. I agree there is a reason that the Bengals let him go but there is more to the story. They had a scheme change last year and were looking for more of an OLB/DE type, which doesn't seem to be Dunlap's strength. I don't think anybody here is thinking that he is an elite pass rusher at this point, but he doesn't need to be. If he can get 5 or 6 sacks and 40 tackles in 9 games he will have been more than worth it. He could be done but we didn't give up much to get him and sadly, even an over the hill Dunlap is better than anything else we have on the roster right now.

by **jshawaii22** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:44 pm

...sadly, even an over the hill Dunlap is better than anything else we have on the roster right now.

If that's a true statement, we have bigger issues to deal with going forward.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:55 pm

If that's a true statement, we have bigger issues to deal with going forward.

Unfortunately, that is probably the case on Defense.
Considering Dunlap was 2nd choice to Everson Griffin who like you said was signed then cut by
Dallas who isn't that hot on Defense themselves. Maybe it will work out for the better in that
Dunlap is a better fit for us or perhaps actually a better player.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:50 pm

I would have rather signed Griffen, but as someone said, even an over the hill Dunlap is probably better than any other DE we have on our roster.

by **mykc14** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:59 pm

jshawaii22 wrote:
If that's a true statement, we have bigger issues to deal with going forward.

Like in the future or this year? I agree, and have been pretty vocal on here about how disappointed I am that PC and JS didn't address this issue in the off-season. Yes our pass rush is a big issue going forward. It was the biggest weakness four us last year, we knew it, we had the resources, and there were players available but PC and JS did nothing to improve that area of our team. Making a move for Dunlap is something that you do when you didn't take care of business in the off-season. He's not a savior but he is a low risk player with more immediate upside as a pass rusher than anybody else on your roster.

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:38 pm

Dunlap had more sacks and tackles last year (9/63) than Griffen (8/41) did and is 2 years younger so I'm not sure I get that he's the one that's over the hill. Whatever personal issues he had with the coaching staff this year aside, I'm perfectly happy getting Dunlap instead of Griffen (though I'd have said the same of either).

by **Klanky** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:45 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:Dunlap had more sacks and tackles last year (9/63) than Griffen (8/41) did and is 2 years younger so I'm not sure I get that he's the one that's over the hill. Whatever personal issues he had with the coaching staff this year aside, I'm perfectly happy getting Dunlap instead of Griffen (though I'd have said the same of either).

I’m with you on Dunlap, he’s got a good track record even thru last year, I think it was mostly younger guys kind of the bengals wanting to give more playing time,After all we are talking about the bengals here, I think it’s a great pickup...

by **Klanky** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:21 pm

Seattle times, like to block you from reading their articles, can some one post in here the article, 5 things to know about Carlos Dunlap?

by **Vegaseahawk** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:55 pm

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/five-things-to-know-about-new-seahawks-defensive-end-carlos-dunlap/

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:31 pm

Awesome

by **Klanky** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:20 pm

Vegaseahawk wrote:https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/five-things-to-know-about-new-seahawks-defensive-end-carlos-dunlap/

Thanks for sending, but click on link and it’s blocked ... lol

by **RiverDog** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:34 pm

We'll see. One thing's for sure: We can't get any worse than the 32nd ranked defense.

by **obiken** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:46 pm

RiverDog wrote:We'll see. One thing's for sure: We can't get any worse than the 32nd ranked defense.

I know huh, even if he gets injured we didnt give up much to get him.

by **obiken** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:48 pm

River, Cbob, I wonder what they would have taken for Geno Atkins??

by **Aseahawkfan** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:11 pm

Nice pick up. Low cost. Hopefully can make immediate impact.

Snacks Harrison , Dunlap. and hopefully Jamal Adams back soon and the defense can put up some kind of fight rather than get walked over.

by **jshawaii22** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:44 pm

Klanky,

Here's that article. I wasn't blocked, so maybe it's your security software settings in your computer.

The Seahawks made a deal they had to make Wednesday morning, acquiring veteran defensive end Carlos Dunlap from the Cincinnati Bengals six days before the NFL’s trade deadline.

Here are five things to know about the newest Seahawk:

1. He fills the Seahawks’ biggest need
That the Seahawks were desperate for help rushing the quarterback was obvious to everyone watching their defense. The Seahawks didn’t register any QB hits on Kyler Murray’s 48 pass attempts in Sunday’s overtime loss to Arizona, and the Seahawks have just nine sacks through six games.

They had to do something, and Dunlap was probably the best defensive end available on the trade market. Better yet, the Seahawks gave up only a seventh-round draft pick for Dunlap while also including free-agent bust B.J. Finney in the deal, thus clearing the Seahawks of several million dollars in cap space. That’s a win-win for Seattle.

2. He has an impressive resume
Dunlap is 31 years old. He is listed at 6 feet 6 and 285 pounds. This is his 11th NFL season, and he’s played his entire career with the Bengals.

Dunlap has 82.5 career sacks, among the most in the NFL since 2010. By comparison, Seattle’s four starting defensive lineman (Jarran Reed, L.J. Collier, Poona Ford and Benson Mayowa) have 40 career sacks total.

Dunlap had his best season in 2015, posting 13.5 sacks and earned his first Pro Bowl selection.

He was selected to the Pro Bowl again in 2016, when he had 8.0 sacks and 15 passes defended.

3. A decade of success
Dunlap had 9.0 sacks and two forced fumbles in 14 games in 2019, when Pro Football Focus gave him a grade of 89.7, the highest grade of his career. That ranked third out of 104 defensive ends and 42nd among all NFL players.

PFF earlier this year named Dunlap to its all-decade team, calling him “one of the most underrated players of his generation.”

He’s more than just an edge rusher, too.

PFF has also graded Dunlap highly as run stopper, giving him a 86.3 run-defense grade in his career.

That ranks 10th among all defensive ends since 2010.

4. A bitter ending with the Bengals
The Bengals’ new coaching staff seemed to have viewed Dunlap as a distraction for much of the past year, and Dunlap had made it clear he wanted out of Cincinnati.

Dunlap had lost his starting spot and played just 17 snaps in the Bengals’ loss to the Browns on Sunday, during which Dunlap was seen arguing with an assistant coach. After the game, Dunlap took to Twitter to try and sell his home. He tweeted: “6,000 sqft city view with huge balcony. 4 bedroom. 4.5 bathroom. In one of the best school districts for sale. Do your market analysis and make me offer. Serious inquiries only with proof of funds!” The tweet has since been deleted.

The view from Cincinnati is Dunlap’s departure will likely be a net positive for the Bengals.

“On the one hand, it’s distasteful to know that all a player has to do to get what he wants is throw a tantrum,” Paul Daugherty of The Cincinnati Enquirer wrote Wednesday. “On the other, divorce is sometimes the best answer.”

Daugherty added: “This was a failure on both sides. Part of coaching is solving problems and that can include issues off the field. Dunlap never had this kind of issue with the previous regime, unless you count his occasional unwillingness to practice and the very occasional plays he took off. He’s not alone in that behavior. Dunlap was a questionable draft pick who will leave here as the team’s 2nd-best sacker, ever. His efforts to curb bullying and his frequent visits to urban schools will be noted. Dunlap was a good dude.”

5. He’s a sack master with a master’s degree
Dunlap left the University of Florida after his junior season in 2009. At the time he promised his mom that he would go back to school and earn a degree. He did that and more.

Dunlap did eventually complete a bachelor’s degree from Florida in family, youth and community services. He then took advantage of an NFL partnership with the University of Miami and in 2016 earned a master’s degree in business administration.

“Going through (the graduation ceremony) inspired me,” Dunlap told the Dayton Daily News at the time. “The speeches that they gave, the process, the excitement from everybody. The excitement for my mom. It was almost more exciting for her than when I got drafted. I was like, ‘Man. Now I finally did something right.’ ”

Adam Jude: ajude@seattletimes.com; on Twitter: @A_Jude. Adam Jude covers the Seattle Seahawks for The Seattle Times.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:01 am

Dunlap had lost his starting spot and played just 17 snaps in the Bengals’ loss to the Browns on Sunday, during which Dunlap was seen arguing with an assistant coach.

Arguing with the coaches during a game always bothers me. Images of Percy Harvin chasing Leslie Frazier down the sidelines to read him the riot act flash across my mind when I read about such behavior...and we all know now how we ignored that huge red flag.

Hopefully the change in atmosphere helps Dunlap's attitude like it did with Jamal Adams.

by **c_hawkbob** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:44 am

That was all wanting out of a losing organization. Remember, Lynch was seen as a trouble maker in Buffalo too. Getting on a decent organization can have a great effect a player.

... how can a person like Lynch positively influence a locker room?

Lynch was arrested in 2009 for a gun charge and suspended for four games in the 2009 season. In 2010, Lynch, despite being a millionaire, was in trouble for stealing $20 from a woman in an Applebees. And of course, 2012 brought about his DUI arrest.

So who really cares in Lynch made the 2011 Pro Bowl or stunned the Saints with a run for the ages. Lynch is trouble, and for all of his talent, he had no place on the Buffalo squad.

The Bills got rid of a troublemaker and in turn got a lot. They let their own talent develop to a level that they might have never known existed. They even got two decent players in the draft. And more importantly, they didn't get the bad publicity that would have come with Lynch's newest error.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/126 ... -major-way

by **RiverDog** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:48 am

c_hawkbob wrote:That was all wanting out of a losing organization. Remember, Lynch was seen as a trouble maker in Buffalo too. Getting on a decent organization can have a great effect a player.

I think so, too. But neither of us can say with 100% assurance that it was the result of wanting out of a losing organization. It takes two to tango.

by **c_hawkbob** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:09 am

You're right we can't, but I'm sure glad we're swinging for the fences on this one. Especially because at such a low cost this one doesn't carry a great amount of risk.

by **Klanky** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:10 am

The more I read and look into this trade of Dunlap, I’m liking it.... He’s actually been very good in his career, even up to last year, Reason for minimal stats this year is playing time, Hard to make any plays sitting on the sidelines.... Don’t know the circumstances but Bengals, chose to give the other players more time, so Im glad he’s on our team to help out the D

by **RiverDog** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:51 am

c_hawkbob wrote:You're right we can't, but I'm sure glad we're swinging for the fences on this one. Especially because at such a low cost this one doesn't carry a great amount of risk.

That I agree with, although I would have preferred to have been 'swinging for the fences' a few months earlier.

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