Clowney

[c_hawkbob]

Well, it's the first news regarding Clowney for awhile, and at least they've squelched the rumors that got started when Reed tweeted about getting his #90 back. It makes you wonder WTF Reed was doing.

If Clowney's strategy truly is as stated, it seems pretty risky. Everson Griffen is still unsigned, and if one of the teams signs him before Clowney, that could leave him with fewer suitors and a lower salary.

I think Reed is probably having a laugh at all the posters on FB Seahawks groups. I also agree that Griffen could be the flaw in Clowney's plan, but I still don't blame him.

And according to Bob Condatta the team officially announced jersey numbers today ... Reed is still 91.

[RiverDog]

First articles I've seen about Clowney for weeks. The authors claim that teams are getting frustrated with the negotiations and are no longer active in talks:

NFL teams 'done' negotiating with Jadeveon Clowney

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/re ... d=msedgdhp

It’s not clear what Clowney wants. He’s coming off a season in which he had injury concerns and collected just three sacks. Yes, he is in his prime, but he’s certainly not a free agent while his value is at its highest. Perhaps he doesn’t like the one-year deal. Regardless, he clearly views himself as an elite commodity. He may be right, but that’s not how teams are reacting so far.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles ... n_32177651

I've long since tired of the Clowney dance, too. This is worse than the Bret Favre saga we were treated to 10-15 years ago.

[NorthHawk]

There's an article on PFT that says the Browns are still actively pursuing him.
I'm not sure how we would fit him in with our current Cap unless it's for a multi year deal, but he seems to want
more than the market wants to spend so it looks like a 1 year deal to the highest bidder and I doubt it will be us.

In the long run, I think it colors teams perception of him and narrows down teams that might want to buy him to
those who want a short term deal except perhaps teams at the bottom that have large Cap numbers available.
And that's at odds with his desire to get a large multi year deal with a serious contender.

[Stream Hawk]

I got some random text about Clowney more likely to return to Seattle. Is this just same ol situation?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/289 ... h-seahawks

[c_hawkbob]

I've seen a few pieces just like that implying that one of the primary suitors for Clowney (but not which team) has backed out, making Seattle's odds better. But still, looks like nothing new to me.

[RiverDog]

NFL Network's Michael Silver is reporting that the Hawks have moved on from Clowney and are now focusing on Clay Mathews or Everson Griffith:

While the Seahawks appear to have moved on from Jadeveon Clowney, who wants more than they're willing to pay, the team has interest in two veteran free agent pass rushers: LB Clay Matthews and DE Everson Griffen. A deal could happen soon.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... -matthews/

[NorthHawk]

Sometime back in the Spring - maybe March time frame I believe it was Cliff Avril who said he didn't
think the Seahawks would re-sign Clowney to a big contract. His rationale was that Seattle likes to
get a pass rush by committee and not have anyone with a big contract that would open that door.
In looking at this off season, that seems to be what's happening and if they want Clowney back, they
still don't want to pay the huge salary. If that is in fact their philosophy, it might have made it easier
for them to trade Clark as well.
I'm not convinced as of yet that this move has helped the team improve the pass rush, but that's just
on paper, so we'll see what the results on the field provide.

[c_hawkbob]

NFL Network's Michael Silver is reporting that the Hawks have moved on from Clowney and are now focusing on Clay Mathews or Everson Griffith

How about; NFL Network's Michael Silver is speculating that the Hawks have moved on from Clowney and are now focusing on Clay Mathews or Everson Griffith.

It's more accurate that way ... to my mind at least.

[RiverDog]

NFL Network's Michael Silver is reporting that the Hawks have moved on from Clowney and are now focusing on Clay Mathews or Everson Griffith

How about; NFL Network's Michael Silver is speculating that the Hawks have moved on from Clowney and are now focusing on Clay Mathews or Everson Griffith.

It's more accurate that way ... to my mind at least.

How about this: Michael Silver is reporting on his speculation that the Hawks have move on from Clowney and are now focusing on Clay Mathews or Everson Griffith.

[jshawaii22]

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/seattle-seahawks/

I think this is literally up to date, showing 79 players under contract and even DJ Reid is in. That gives us 17 million right now. I hope the article about us moving on from Clowney is true as I think Griffin probably would be just as much help, even for only one year at about 10m less then Clowney.

Always an interesting read to see how much overpaid and underpaid some of the team really is. 600k for each tryout contract. If I was only 20 again...
If 20 of those don't make the team, wouldn't that give us at least 12million more cap room?
Edit: I'll answer my own question. No, we don't get any more cap. Right now, the Cap is 198 million for 2020 and the "cap space" is based on the Top 51 players, no matter the salary. --

[RiverDog]

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/seattle-seahawks/

I think this is literally up to date, showing 79 players under contract and even DJ Reid is in. That gives us 17 million right now. I hope the article about us moving on from Clowney is true as I think Griffin probably would be just as much help, even for only one year at about 10m less then Clowney.

Always an interesting read to see how much overpaid and underpaid some of the team really is. 600k for each tryout contract. If I was only 20 again...
If 20 of those don't make the team, wouldn't that give us at least 12million more cap room?
Edit: I'll answer my own question. No, we don't get any more cap. Right now, the Cap is 198 million for 2020 and the "cap space" is based on the Top 51 players, no matter the salary. --

$17M? The link says $15.2M. Am I missing something?

[jshawaii22]

The site already had added Dunbar to the 51 this morning, which would of added his $$$ with his contract and took away whomever was #51 yesterday became #52. Basically, I don't think he counted as of yesterday. Now he's there on the list. That link is fluid by the moment.

[RiverDog]

The site already had added Dunbar to the 51 this morning, which would of added his $$$ with his contract and took away whomever was #51 yesterday became #52. Basically, I don't think he counted as of yesterday. Now he's there on the list. That link is fluid by the moment.

Ahh, IC. That's something I didn't realize. Thanks for clearing that up!

[mykc14]

Time and money are running out to add talent to our D-alone. Griffen to Dallas, for 6 mil, takes another guy off the list. It seems pretty obvious at this point that the Hawks are still holding out hope for Clowney... there were multiple pass rush options available for decent $$ and or trade compensation and they didn’t pull the trigger (Campbell, Griffen, Fowler) Hawks theoretically could have had all 3 (obviously we don’t know if they would have signed here for sure, but it’s not crazy to think they would have) for a 5th round pick and a total of 23 mil in cap hits this year. Those 3 would be a HUGE upgrade to our current roster and would no doubt all start (also they combined for 26 sacks last year while the Hawks had 28 TOTAL!!!)... anyways seems like we mig have wasted our offseason if we don’t get Clowney at this point, even though it didn’t have to come to this point.

[jshawaii22]

with a far better secondary and the addition of Jamal, theoretically they should be able to blitz far more without giving up as much. You're going to see far more 5 & 6 man D-Backs then last year with Bobby on the field + 1 extra D-End or a 2nd LB. Hopefully this turns into more sacks. The "base" 4-3-4 isn't working but they had no choice last year as the LB's had to be in coverage.

[mykc14]

with a far better secondary and the addition of Jamal, theoretically they should be able to blitz far more without giving up as much. You're going to see far more 5 & 6 man D-Backs then last year with Bobby on the field + 1 extra D-End or a 2nd LB. Hopefully this turns into more sacks. The "base" 4-3-4 isn't working but they had no choice last year as the LB's had to be in coverage.

I hope they blitz more, but they are going to have to and maybe that was the plan all along, maybe they aren’t going to be as vanilla on D next year. They need to do something to create pressure, that’s for sure!

[NorthHawk]

This Clowney thing is strange to me. Here we have a player who was one of the most disruptive DL in the NFL and had
some of the highest pressure ratings and he's not employed. The team said he was a priority and the pass rush had to
be improved. So what did we do? We let go of QJeff who had the 2nd most sacks, Woods who was strong up the middle
and didn't re-sign Clowney. Instead we got some lesser talent in Irvin and Mayowa and drafted an injured DE who may
or may not get on the field much this year.
It's just odd to identify a problem and then halfass a fix for it.
The only thing I can think of is they really like what they saw from Collier and expect Green to become a dominating DE.
We fans didn't really see what Collier has to offer so maybe they are right. I hope so because games are won and lost
in the trenches and if our DL is worse than last year then we might not make the playoffs this year.