Lockdown Corner?

[jshawaii22]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ning-camp/

The good news is, the kid has a prosecutor and a judge who both signed off on him coming to the Northwest, but no indication of what really happened. I guess we'll have to wait until TMZ runs with the story.

[RiverDog]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/21/quinton-dunbar-cleared-to-travel-to-training-camp/

The good news is, the kid has a prosecutor and a judge who both signed off on him coming to the Northwest, but no indication of what really happened. I guess we'll have to wait until TMZ runs with the story.

It's a reasonable decision. As the article states, evidence is still coming in and the case is still being investigated. It could take many months before this comes to trial, so unless they are considered a flight risk, it would be unreasonable not to allow them to travel so they may continue their employment.

[TriCitySam]

Clayton's article indicates it could be up to two years before Dunbar goes to trial - they have had no court cases in Dade County since March, and may not have any the rest of 2020. So.....the Hawks may have him for this season anyway (ah...assuming there IS a season).

[jshawaii22]

It worked with Kendricks, and the kid has 2 years (I think) remaining on his rookie deal, so that would work for him, too.

[Agent 86]

Both Dunbar and Baker have been placed on the Commish's Exempt List today.

https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player-news/headlines/9675881

[NorthHawk]

Baker charged, but Dunbar wasn't due to lack of evidence.
So Dunbar should be removed from the Commissioners exempt list hopefully early.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... t-charged/

[jshawaii22]

Although that's certainly good news, don't get your hopes up just yet. The fact that there were no charges filed doesn't clear him from the NFL, as we know the Commish will do whatever he wants under the terms of the CBA. It will be important to find out if Dunbar 'rolled' on his friend to get the charges dropped which really doesn't make him 'innocent'. I hope not, but you never know in these cases. Something happened that night in Florida.

[RiverDog]

Although that's certainly good news, don't get your hopes up just yet. The fact that there were no charges filed doesn't clear him from the NFL, as we know the Commish will do whatever he wants under the terms of the CBA. It will be important to find out if Dunbar 'rolled' on his friend to get the charges dropped which really doesn't make him 'innocent'. I hope not, but you never know in these cases. Something happened that night in Florida.

Yup. Just ask Jarran Reed. He wasn't even arrested and was nailed with a 6 game suspension.

[jshawaii22]

a good friend of mine, who laughingly reminds everyone he had "Law 101" in college, points out that if Dunbar had agreed to testify against Baker, the charges would still be filed against him, possibly reduced, but you don't give away the ranch without getting something back, meaning he would of had to testify first in accordance to the terms of the agreement and then the charges would be dropped.
That's a real big difference and might be a good omen for him and the team that no charges have been filed.

[RiverDog]

a good friend of mine, who laughingly reminds everyone he had "Law 101" in college, points out that if Dunbar had agreed to testify against Baker, the charges would still be filed against him, possibly reduced, but you don't give away the ranch without getting something back, meaning he would of had to testify first in accordance to the terms of the agreement and then the charges would be dropped.
That's a real big difference and might be a good omen for him and the team that no charges have been filed.

I'm not nearly as qualified as your friend, but that's probably correct. DA's don't generally bargain without first filing charges.

How much information can the DA share with an employer (ie NFL) if there are no charges filed? Wouldn't they be violating Dunbar's right to privacy if the DA discussed information not in the public record w/o Dunbar's consent?

[jshawaii22]

I think that if Dunbar wants to play, he'll sign over whatever documents that he can to show he wasn't involved, including court/police docs. I don't know if he can request them to be sent to the NFL offices, but I would try if it speeds up getting off Commish's list.

[TriCitySam]

Well, this has been a very strange case. One of the real damning things is the alleged payoff by Dunbar's attorney. That seems a little hard to explain - in which case the Commish will hand out a suspension. The attorney, Michael Grieco, is somewhat of a sleaze and had to drop out of a political race a few years ago after violating the law as it relates to campaign funds (and then repeatedly lied about it). He was later elected to the State Legislature, but is now under investigation by the State Bar Association for his fund raising PAC.

[jshawaii22]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

and just like that... he's a free and clear Seahawk. Damn, that was quick. He really must be innocent... hard to believe if you only go by the initial 'reports' both about the crime and what happened in his lawyer's office. FAKE news is everywhere. Lucky for him. I'm going to take a wild stab that the entire incident was on videotape in the house's security system. Surprised TMZ didn't procure it for us.

[Agent 86]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

and just like that... he's a free and clear Seahawk. Damn, that was quick. He really must be innocent... hard to believe if you only go by the initial 'reports' both about the crime and what happened in his lawyer's office. FAKE news is everywhere. Lucky for him. I'm going to take a wild stab that the entire incident was on videotape in the house's security system. Surprised TMZ didn't procure it for us.

Excellent news!

[RiverDog]

I'm not going to completely exonerate him of the incident as the whole thing stinks. Just because he wasn't charged doesn't mean he was innocent.
However, I will welcome him to our Seahawk family and hope he's learned a lesson from his skirt with the law.

[NorthHawk]

I have no idea what really happened, but he doesn't have a history of wrongdoing.
I hope for his future and ours, he was framed or at least wrongly accused.

[Aseahawkfan]

Glad to see Dunbar get back. Whole case sounded weird. Sounds like Baker was trying to use Dunbar as a scapegoat. Glad Dunbar escaped if that was the case.

[RiverDog]

I have no idea what really happened, but he doesn't have a history of wrongdoing.
I hope for his future and ours, he was framed or at least wrongly accused.

Yep. Dunbar does not have a criminal history, which is likely one of the reasons why the league gave him a pass.

It's one of those forgive but don't forget type of things. He's likely guilty of putting himself into a position through his associations with others that placed him under suspicion, which in my book is forgivable. But it is a 'strike' against him should something else ever come up.

[jshawaii22]

https://www.seattlepi.com/sports/seahawks/article/seahawks-cb-dunbar-ready-to-move-past-incident-15506388.php

Here's what you pretty much (hoped) expected from him in his first interview since actually being in a practice with the Seahawks -- and yes, he' can still be whacked with a suspension from The Commish.

[NorthHawk]

There was a comment I heard that he said he just met those accusers that day.
If that's truly the case, it fits into the scenario of him being set up.

[RiverDog]

There was a comment I heard that he said he just met those accusers that day. If that's truly the case, it fits into the scenario of him being set up.

I'm not sure if I'm buying that or not.

The charges against Dunbar were dropped because there was not enough evidence against him to justify prosecuting him. That does not mean that they thought he was innocent, nor does it necessarily clear his name as he claims it does. As was stated, the Commish can still issue a suspension if he feels that Dunbar violated the personal conduct policy, so we'll see how that turns out.

I have a hard time believing that the case against him got as far as it did if he was as pure as the wind driven snow and was the victim of a false arrest or mistaken identity. I'm not saying that I think he's dirty, but nor am I saying that he's as clean as a hound's tooth. The whole situation smells to high heaven.

That aside, I'm fully on board with welcoming him to our Seahawk family.

[jshawaii22]

I still say the speed at which the charges were dropped lends me to believe that the there was video surveillance from the owner of the house that came into the hands of Dubar's legal team and/or the prosecutor at some point. Could very well of been what that "meeting" in the lawyer's office was all about.
The video may of been up for sale or a court order, which is why it took awhile to obtain it.
People Lie.... The video doesn't lie.