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by **Distant** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:50 pm

Cut him and move on I say.

by **jshawaii22** » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:17 pm

Distant wrote:Cut him and move on I say.

he's an unrestricted free agent, so there's no 'cutting him' but if he was under a contract, I'd agree with you.

It has to be hard to negotiate right now, give the world's news.

by **c_hawkbob** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:07 am

There is no NBA, there is no Nascar, there is no MLB, there will be no Summer Olympic games ... personally I'm damn glad to have something sports related to discuss. Take your time Jadeveon.

by **RiverDog** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:57 am

c_hawkbob wrote:There is no NBA, there is no Nascar, there is no MLB, there will be no Summer Olympic games ... personally I'm damn glad to have something sports related to discuss. Take your time Jadeveon.

You forgot March Madness, which is one of my favorite sporting events.

by **c_hawkbob** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:22 am

c_hawkbob wrote:There is no NBA, there is no Nascar, there is no MLB, there will be no Summer Olympic games ... personally I'm damn glad to have something sports related to discuss. Take your time Jadeveon.

RiverDog wrote:You forgot March Madness, which is one of my favorite sporting events.

Roger that! Me too, can't imagine how I omitted that *face palm*

by **obiken** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:08 am

Roger that! Me too, can't imagine how I omitted that *face palm*

With everything closed down, a friend of mine and I were going to Rockaway beach to smoke Cigars Saturday, fortunately we didnt as the Oregon Coast got slammed by thousands last week! So he's coming over tomorrow to watch movies, eat take out from the Olive Garden and smoke Cigars.

by **govandals** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:27 am

ESPN now reporting Clowney has lowered his asking price to 17-18m/yr. PCJS should quit screwing around and sign him today.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:04 pm

govandals wrote:ESPN now reporting Clowney has lowered his asking price to 17-18m/yr. PCJS should quit screwing around and sign him today.

Yup. Looks like it's between us and the Titans. Hopefully we'll know something soon.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/01/nfl-r ... y-interest

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:38 pm

Interesting that he's reportedly lowered his asking price right after we've cleared a bit of cap space ... I'm sure Yannick Ngakoue and Everson Griffen both expressing interest in coming to play for the Seahawks have an influence as well.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:45 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:Interesting that he's reportedly lowered his asking price right after we've cleared a bit of cap space ... I'm sure Yannick Ngakoue and Everson Griffen both expressing interest in coming to play for the Seahawks have an influence as well.

You mean having an influence on our driving a hard bargain in the Clowney negotiations, that we want both Clowney and Ngakoue or Griffen? Interesting theory.

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:11 pm

Meanwhile we signed Benson Mayowa: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/288 ... ks-in-2019

by **mykc14** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:14 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:Meanwhile we signed Benson Mayowa: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/288 ... ks-in-2019

Welcome back! 7 sacks last year not bad. Hopefully this is the first of a few signings in the next few days (Clowney)...

by **mykc14** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:18 pm

RiverDog wrote:
You mean having an influence on our driving a hard bargain in the Clowney negotiations, that we want both Clowney and Ngakoue or Griffen? Interesting theory.

I read that to mean that the threat of us signing Griffen or trading for Ngakoue lit a bit of a fire under Clowney. If we sign one of them then we wouldn't be able to sign him so he better lower his offer, giving us a little more leverage, especially when considering the fact that only two teams have really showed any interest. We are close to a situation where we are going to have to move on. Obviously the best scenario is getting Clowney but better Griffen and no Clowney than no Griffen or Clowney.

by **govandals** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:23 pm

Mayowa huh? Well, gut feeling is they've moved on from Clowney and will sign Everson Griffen soon. I'd rather have Clowney.

by **mykc14** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:31 pm

govandals wrote:Mayowa huh? Well, gut feeling is they've moved on from Clowney and will sign Everson Griffen soon. I'd rather have Clowney.

That could be, although I don't think Mayowa would be so expensive that it precludes us from Clowney, but like I said before the Hawks don't want to be in a position to miss out on both Clowney and Griffen. It would be a shame to lose him, though. It just has to make you wonder how far apart they are. If he just lowered his asking price to 17-18 mil that means that maybe the 13-14 million that was being thrown out there is what we were offering. The reports I read had us either offering 18.5 or 13.5 depending on the source (and obviously those could be way off too), but we can't be too far off now... Lets sign him for 15 or 16 and be done with it (and that really would feel like a steal!!).

by **RiverDog** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:41 pm

RiverDog wrote:
You mean having an influence on our driving a hard bargain in the Clowney negotiations, that we want both Clowney and Ngakoue or Griffen? Interesting theory.

mykc14 wrote:I read that to mean that the threat of us signing Griffen or trading for Ngakoue lit a bit of a fire under Clowney. If we sign one of them then we wouldn't be able to sign him so he better lower his offer, giving us a little more leverage, especially when considering the fact that only two teams have really showed any interest. We are close to a situation where we are going to have to move on. Obviously the best scenario is getting Clowney but better Griffen and no Clowney than no Griffen or Clowney.

That makes more sense than how I interpreted it.

That's a problem all free agents in any sport have if they procrastinate, hoping for a better offer. Teams have to make decisions, so if they move on, the number of suitors drop and you're left with the low ballers and/or non contenders like the Jets.

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:30 pm

RiverDog wrote:
You mean having an influence on our driving a hard bargain in the Clowney negotiations, that we want both Clowney and Ngakoue or Griffen? Interesting theory.

mykc14 wrote:I read that to mean that the threat of us signing Griffen or trading for Ngakoue lit a bit of a fire under Clowney. If we sign one of them then we wouldn't be able to sign him so he better lower his offer, giving us a little more leverage, especially when considering the fact that only two teams have really showed any interest. We are close to a situation where we are going to have to move on. Obviously the best scenario is getting Clowney but better Griffen and no Clowney than no Griffen or Clowney.

Yes, this.

Signing Mayowa serves to turn that screw a little tighter as well. It's obious that we're not putting our offseason plans on hold waiting for him, he's got to realize that if he waits too long he may just wait himself out of (ostensibly) his primary target.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:36 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:Signing Mayowa serves to turn that screw a little tighter as well. It's obious that we're not putting our offseason plans on hold waiting for him, he's got to realize that if he waits too long he may just wait himself out of (ostensibly) his primary target.

Gotcha.

Of course, it could have the opposite effect, too, driving him towards the Titans. Quite a poker game.

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:44 pm

Yes it is!

At least it's keeping my attention on something besides real world worries ...

by **jshawaii22** » Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:41 am

Mayowa's 5 sacks would of led the team last year.... for 2million? just saying.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:16 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Yes it is!

At least it's keeping my attention on something besides real world worries ...

Yea, I suppose. But after a period of time, it turns into a game of tic-tac-toe. I'm anxious to see a deal get done.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:45 am

Sorry I can't link the article as it was from the Seattle Times and I'm not a subscriber, but according to Bob Condotta, the Hawks are holding firm at $13M for Clowney, apparently because he wants a one year deal and the Hawks would lose the ability to spread it out over multiple years. It's been widely reported that we have a $18M multi year deal on the table.

I'm also hearing that we are no longer negotiating, that the offers are take-it-or-leave-it.

One as to think that at some point we'll decide to move on, perhaps sign Everson Griffen before someone else snaps him up.

by **c_hawkbob** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:15 am

RiverDog wrote:Sorry I can't link the article as it was from the Seattle Times and I'm not a subscriber, but according to Bob Condotta, the Hawks are holding firm at $13M for Clowney, apparently because he wants a one year deal and the Hawks would lose the ability to spread it out over multiple years. It's been widely reported that we have a $18M multi year deal on the table.

I'm also hearing that we are no longer negotiating, that the offers are take-it-or-leave-it.

One as to think that at some point we'll decide to move on, perhaps sign Everson Griffen before someone else snaps him up.

Exactly how I've been saying we need to handle it (and to my understanding how we are): we've got an offer on the table, leave it there, if he takes it great, if not at least we're not putting the rest of our offseason on hold waiting on him.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:48 am

I'm worried that by waiting, if Clowney takes another offer and Griffen signs with another team as well, we could be left with no DE
or trading for Ngakoue in a much weakened position.
It's a dangerous game if the goal is to improve the pass rush and DL in particular.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:49 am

Here's an recent article about where we sit with Clowney.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/ ... -clowney-2

by **RiverDog** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:16 am

That's pretty much what I saw being reported, although the length of the deal wasn't mentioned, just $13-15M/season. I'm guessing that's for a one year deal and that the higher number, up to $18M, was for multiple years.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:23 am

RiverDog wrote:That's pretty much what I saw being reported, although the length of the deal wasn't mentioned, just $13-15M/season. I'm guessing that's for a one year deal and that the higher number, up to $18M, was for multiple years.

I came across a comment that the Browns were inquiring about Clowney. What a pair of bookends that Defense would have.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:45 pm

NorthHawk wrote:I came across a comment that the Browns were inquiring about Clowney. What a pair of bookends that Defense would have.

I heard the same thing, but if you take Clowney for his word that he wants to play for a contender, I don't think the Browns would qualify.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:48 pm

if it’s only for 1 year, he may take the highest salary.
And on that DL, he might be able to really pad his stats before
going back to FA.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:47 pm

NorthHawk wrote:if it’s only for 1 year, he may take the highest salary. And on that DL, he might be able to really pad his stats before going back to FA.

Good point. Besides, at this stage of the game, it's one of those beggars can't be choosers things. Cleveland might be the only team left with a viable offer by the time he quits screwing around.

by **TriCitySam** » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:31 pm

Well, if it's $, Cleveland has the most flexibility. I think they have the most cap room. $13MM seems low, would put him about 22nd in terms of his position (but wouldn't make Myles Garrett happy, he's at $7.6MM).

by **RiverDog** » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:48 pm

It's sounding like Clowney is a goner:

Joining Seattle's 950 KJR on Tuesday, Garafolo warned to "never say never" regarding a reunion between the two sides, but he added that the Seahawks are potentially already "moving on to Plan B, C and D" and "aren't actively chasing Clowney right now."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jade ... TxNLiORv3k

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:19 am

I used to b**** about our FO not being able to put together a proper OL, and I still have my doubts, but now they
seem to be messing up building a DL, too. They must have some type of plan, but it's beyond me how a DL can
be built by letting the best players go. Most rookies don't make an impact their first year, so that can't be the
plan, could it? In a great year for DL maybe it's understandable, but in what is expected to be a relatively poor
year for DL, it doesn't seem to be a very good plan.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:38 am

NorthHawk wrote:I used to b**** about our FO not being able to put together a proper OL, and I still have my doubts, but now they
seem to be messing up building a DL, too. They must have some type of plan, but it's beyond me how a DL can
be built by letting the best players go. Most rookies don't make an impact their first year, so that can't be the
plan, could it? In a great year for DL maybe it's understandable, but in what is expected to be a relatively poor
year for DL, it doesn't seem to be a very good plan.

All I can say is that there must be a reason why Clowney isn't getting acceptable offers from ANY team. This isn't the usual situation where one team out bids several others for a top 5 FA's services. As a rule, the top players in free agency are signed within days of the opening of free agency. How many weeks are we into it now?

This is a strange deal, and although I reserve my God given right to b**** about my football team, I'm not going criticize our FO just yet.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:06 am

As it stands today, we are down our best DE, best pass rusher and one of our best inside DL.
We've added an ageing LEO in Irvin and a marginal DE in Mayowa. That's not a good start
for a DL that was near the bottom in productivity last year and the rest of the best players
have already been signed. The Jags are asking for a 1st for Ngakoue (it remains to be seen
if they get it) and Griffen is still unsigned, but he's 32 or thereabouts. So there isn't much
else out there to contribute this year.

by **obiken** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:25 am

We are just going to have to wait. Wait for the Virus to go away, wait for Clowney, wait for the season. Its rough right now!

by **RiverDog** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:35 am

NorthHawk wrote:As it stands today, we are down our best DE, best pass rusher and one of our best inside DL.
We've added an ageing LEO in Irvin and a marginal DE in Mayowa. That's not a good start
for a DL that was near the bottom in productivity last year and the rest of the best players
have already been signed. The Jags are asking for a 1st for Ngakoue (it remains to be seen
if they get it) and Griffen is still unsigned, but he's 32 or thereabouts. So there isn't much
else out there to contribute this year.

All of that is true, and obviously known by Pete and John. You have to admit that this process with Clowney is very unusual. Is it being affected by the coronavirus crisis? Are Pete and John anticipating that the season might be canceled and if so, would that make a difference in negotiations?

It's really odd. Clowney has supposedly dropped his price yet he remains unsigned.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:42 am

I guess my rhetorical question is how do you improve the DL in a weak DL draft class and
not much available in FA? The remaining options seem to be (in no particular order)
Ngakoue, Clowney, and Griffen. Having signed a bunch of FA OL, if we let Clowney go
we won't even get a comp pick for him (in essence we gave up a young DE with potential
in Jacob Martin along with Mingo along with a 3rd round pick for 1 year of Clowney). Doesn't
seem to be a very good trade, now does it?

by **RiverDog** » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:54 am

NorthHawk wrote:I guess my rhetorical question is how do you improve the DL in a weak DL draft class and
not much available in FA? The remaining options seem to be (in no particular order)
Ngakoue, Clowney, and Griffen. Having signed a bunch of FA OL, if we let Clowney go
we won't even get a comp pick for him (in essence we gave up a young DE with potential
in Jacob Martin along with Mingo along with a 3rd round pick for 1 year of Clowney). Doesn't
seem to be a very good trade, now does it?

In retrospect, no, it doesn't look like a good trade. But hindsight is 20/20. Until the injuries started to pile up, we were on a clear path to the Super Bowl, and even so, still came pretty darn close. IMO it was worth the risk and then some.

by **mykc14** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:30 pm

Just read an interesting article that supposedly showed a picture of the contract the Hawks offered Clowney. It was 2 years 27 mil with 20 mil guaranteed. Can’t say for sure if it was real or not but it definitely fits with what we’ve heard- the Jawks offer was 13.5/year. That’s interesting and you’d have to wonder if another 3 mil a year would have sealed the deal (what we have Hollister) or 2 mil (Hunt) or both of them 5 mil. It seems 16-18 definitely would have gotten it done. If we don’t sign him I seriously have to question JS and PC on this one. I would rather have Clowney than Hunt and Hollister... or one of the lineman we signed for 2.5 million. It just seems like this deal easily should have been done and the Hawks didn’t deal the deal. I know we don’t know the exact details- maybe the Hawks would have been willing to go up if he wasn’t demanding 20 plus a year at first. Who knows but it will definitely be disappointing if we don’t sign him.

Here’s the article I read:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy.com/ ... eaked/amp/

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