Niners/Chiefs Super Bowl

[Hawktawk]

Happy for Reid and Mahomes, Reid especially. One of the greatest coaches in history who had not won one.
Happier the 9ers won't have the springboard to be a dynasty coming into next year.
Jimmy G is a 1-B right now. Perfectly accurate when clean but extremely wobbly when under duress. He was sacked once and hit a few other times and folded down the stretch.
Shanahan clearly does not trust him enough to put the ball in his hands and go win it at this point and pushing 30 games in and 130 million guy that's not good... Russ was doing that a few games into his pro career for 500K .

Overall its the best SB since Philly knocked off NE. It was a great rebound from that snoozer last year

[RiverDog]

Happy for Reid and Mahomes, Reid especially. One of the greatest coaches in history who had not won one.
Happier the 9ers won't have the springboard to be a dynasty coming into next year.
Jimmy G is a 1-B right now. Perfectly accurate when clean but extremely wobbly when under duress. He was sacked once and hit a few other times and folded down the stretch.
Shanahan clearly does not trust him enough to put the ball in his hands and go win it at this point and pushing 30 games in and 130 million guy that's not good... Russ was doing that a few games into his pro career for 500K .

Overall its the best SB since Philly knocked off NE. It was a great rebound from that snoozer last year

I'm more happy for the KC fans than I am for any players or coaches. They have one of the most dedicated fan bases in all of football, sticking by their team during the 2nd longest championship drought in NFL history, selling out their stadium and creating one of the most intimidating environments even during the leanest of seasons. You can't accuse those folks of being bandwagoners like you can the Niners fan base. I've been back there for a game. They're great people, treat visitors with respect, love you for visiting them. They're a far cry from that pack of hoodlums, gang bangers, and punks in the City of Brotherly Love. The Chiefs founder, Lamar Hunt, is largely responsible for the NFL that we know today. Who knows what pro football would have looked like had he not started doodling on some airline stationary after the NFL told him to go to hell. Glad to see they got their just reward.

[Aseahawkfan]

That's the glass half full way of looking at it. The glass half empty part is that had KC's defense not finally come to the party and sucked it up by stopping the Niners on their last 4 drives and had the opposing QB not shriveled under pressure by going 3-11 with one bad pick down the stretch, Mahomes would never have gotten his gifted opportunity to redeem his previously poor play and made possible his heroism in the 4th quarter as SF ended the game punt, punt, turnover on downs, interception. Toss in some questionable calls that didn't go the 49'ers way, like the Kittle OPI at the end of the first half, the Williams TD, the no-call defensive offside on a critical 3rd down, a delay of game that wasn't called also on 3rd down, and that game could have gone a lot differently and Mahomes would have been the goat...lower case.

Mahomes did not play a MVP-worthy game (IMO Damien Williams should have won the MVP), throwing two bad picks and was well off target for the majority of the game. Project his final numbers...26-42, 286, 2 TD's, 2 INT's, passer rating 78.1, QBR 61.6...numbers that were skewed by an excellent 4th quarter performance...over a full season and he's out of the league. I'm a huge Mahomes fan, too, love everything abut the guy and was rooting for KC to win, but no quarterback can be happy with that kind of inconsistent Swiss cheese performance that he put up yesterday.

Winning at the end of the game is still stepping up when your team needs you. That's MVP as far as I see it.

You knew Jimmie G sucked under pressure. Anyone watching this guy play all year knew he sucked when the game is on the line. I got no idea why you picked the 49ers. That Jimmie G is not a SB caliber QB. That defense is good, but not great or elite.

[obiken]

Winning at the end of the game is still stepping up when your team needs you. That's MVP as far as I see it.
You knew Jimmie G sucked under pressure. Anyone watching this guy play all year knew he sucked when the game is on the line. I got no idea why you picked the 49ers. That Jimmie G is not a SB caliber QB. That defense is good, but not great or elite.

Come on ASAY, they held the best offense to 10 points for 3 1/2 quarters. The last TD was a gift, because they were stacked in to stop a first down, happens all the time. I just never saw the Chief defense being that good. IF he would have hit ES who was wide open, it would be a different discussion. Why did they get away from running the ball with a 10 point lead?

[Aseahawkfan]

Come on ASAY, they held the best offense to 10 points for 3 1/2 quarters. The last TD was a gift, because they were stacked in to stop a first down, happens all the time. I just never saw the Chief defense being that good. IF he would have hit ES who was wide open, it would be a different discussion. Why did they get away from running the ball with a 10 point lead?

31 points is not a great defensive performance in the Super Bowl. The Chiefs offense was good, but not Peyton Manning best offense in history good. The Seahawks defense held them to 8 points and almost shut them out.

Go look at the 49ers schedule and wins and losses, they were not that great. I'm surprised Mahomes didn't get going sooner and really crack the top off of that over-rated defense. They should have put up 38 points or more.

I still say if our run game hadn't went down, we would have taken the division and beat them and that pathetic Green Bay team. Makes me salty thinking about the lost opportunity again because of injuries. 49ers are over-rated and went to the SB in a weak year on a weak schedule against injured competition. Jimmie G sucks. That team is going down.

[RiverDog]

Winning at the end of the game is still stepping up when your team needs you. That's MVP as far as I see it.

If that's your criteria, then the MVP should always go to the winning quarterback no matter how poorly they played in the first 3 quarters. Mahomes wasn't the only Chief that "stepped it up". Damien Williams scored two touchdowns in the 4th quarter, one on the razor close play at the pylon that gave KC the lead and the nail in the coffin in the last 2 minutes. But Mahomes had all the hype going for him, so once he caught fire, everyone including yourself bought into it and forgot about how poorly he played in the first three quarters then gave him credit for overcoming a deficit that he was largely responsible for creating.

Williams had one of the better all purpose Super Bowl games in recent history. His totals were 104 yards on 17 carries and 4 receptions for 29 yards and one TD. IMO he was more deserving than Mahomes.

You knew Jimmie G sucked under pressure. Anyone watching this guy play all year knew he sucked when the game is on the line. I got no idea why you picked the 49ers. That Jimmie G is not a SB caliber QB. That defense is good, but not great or elite.

Yup, which is another reason why I'm not as enamored with Mahomes' overall performance as some. Had that been any of a dozen or so active QB's on the opposite sideline, from Russell Wilson to Drew Brees to Aaron Rodgers, Mahomes would have never gotten his chance to redeem himself like he did. He was the primary reason why their offense was sputtering for 3 quarters.

The reason I picked the 49'ers was because of their defense and running game, not because of their QB of whom I rate as a mediocre starter.

[obiken]

He finally Broke the Madden Curse!

[RiverDog]

Winning at the end of the game is still stepping up when your team needs you. That's MVP as far as I see it.
You knew Jimmie G sucked under pressure. Anyone watching this guy play all year knew he sucked when the game is on the line. I got no idea why you picked the 49ers. That Jimmie G is not a SB caliber QB. That defense is good, but not great or elite.

Come on ASAY, they held the best offense to 10 points for 3 1/2 quarters. The last TD was a gift, because they were stacked in to stop a first down, happens all the time. I just never saw the Chief defense being that good. IF he would have hit ES who was wide open, it would be a different discussion. Why did they get away from running the ball with a 10 point lead?

Great point about getting away from the running game.

Through the regular season, the Niners were the 2nd best rushing team in the league and were even better in the playoffs, gashed the Vikings for 186 yards on the ground and b**** slapped the Packers for 285 rushing yards. Last Sunday, they had gained 124 yards rushing through 3 quarters yet when the 4th quarter came, they ran 17 plays and only 4 running plays, gaining in order 5 yards, 1 yard, 3 yards, and 6 yards. The Chiefs didn't really stuff them, the Niners just got away from it. Despite playing with the lead, they put the ball in Garoppolo's hands to win it vs. their OL. Heck, the Niners never punted until there was 9 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Big choke job by their coaching staff as well as their QB.

You need to submit your observation for an episode on "Unsolved Mysteries". I sure as hell can't explain it.

[Hawktawk]

For the second time in 4 years Shanahan deserted the run in the 4th quarter with a 2 or more score lead in the championship. Until and unless he changes that it will be a millstone around his neck forever. Some of those down and distances sort of dictated a throw and Jimmy G missed open guys, got passes batted, threw picks.I guess Kyle couldn't throw and catch the ball.

As for Mahomes it was a GREAT performance. I call him a 6'2" RW. The mark of a great player is playing bad, having his team play bad and still making the plays at the end. I dont know how many times Russ has done it. The QBs with all the comebacks only have that record because of being behind lots of times. It's just most guys behind stay behind and lose. It was like my memory of Dave Krieg. If he started hot he was hot and if he started cold it was going to be an ugly day. I heard an amazing stat yesterday. In 2 seasons as a starter Mahomes has more comeback playoff wins all time than anyone but Tom Brady and the one he didn't get was an OT loss to NE last year.
Sky's the limit for Mahomey.

[RiverDog]

For the second time in 4 years Shanahan deserted the run in the 4th quarter with a 2 or more score lead in the championship. Until and unless he changes that it will be a millstone around his neck forever. Some of those down and distances sort of dictated a throw and Jimmy G missed open guys, got passes batted, threw picks.I guess Kyle couldn't throw and catch the ball.

In Shanny's defense, they did have a couple of penalties in the 4th quarter, but they weren't a 10-15 yard first down drive killing types and shouldn't have affected his play calling that much. He had one false start that turned a 3rd and 9 into a 3rd and 14 and one that turned a 1st and 10 into a 1st and 15. It doesn't explain why he'd run the ball just 4 times in 17 offensive plays at a time when the clock was his friend. In that situation, especially when you've been successful running the ball, not only during the regular season and in his two previous playoff games but in that very same game, you don't go away from running the ball unless the defense takes it away from you.

As for Mahomes it was a GREAT performance. I call him a 6'2" RW. The mark of a great player is playing bad, having his team play bad and still making the plays at the end. I dont know how many times Russ has done it. The QBs with all the comebacks only have that record because of being behind lots of times. It's just most guys behind stay behind and lose. It was like my memory of Dave Krieg. If he started hot he was hot and if he started cold it was going to be an ugly day. I heard an amazing stat yesterday. In 2 seasons as a starter Mahomes has more comeback playoff wins all time than anyone but Tom Brady and the one he didn't get was an OT loss to NE last year.
Sky's the limit for Mahomey.

It was a GREAT 4th quarter performance, not a great overall performacne. Check his stat line: 26/42 for 286, 2 TD's 2 INT's. Rushing he did score a TD but otherwise gained just 29 yards on 9 carries and he was sacked 4 times. That is not a GREAT overall performance.

You guys are being sucked into the hype. Mahomes is a phenomenal player, physically gifted, great teammate, poster child type of a character, articulate and quotable, great smile, the type of player advertising executives love and that the media and casual fans have fallen head over heels for. In their eyes, he can do no wrong. But his overall performance Sunday was below average for any quarterback let alone what we've become used to him being able to do.

[Agent 86]

Well I ended being wrong and happy about it. I though the 49'ers D was going to be too good, and for 3 quarters it was. I thought Jimmy G was going to be good enough behind a strong running game, and for 3 quarters, for the most part he was and the running game certainly was. Garoppolo was actually pretty average I thought overall, somewhat expected, several throws that ended up being caught were thrown off target, and of course he totally missed Sanders for what would have been the go ahead TD late. He was managing the game enough to win it though, had the one INT. But I cannot believe how they abandoned the run game in the 4th quarter. It's like Shanahan wasn't going to get conservative again like 3 years ago and lose the game. This time his aggressiveness cost them and he gave Mahomes too many chances, and his Defense wilted under the pressure.

Yeah, you gotta be happy for Andy Reid, as well as all the long suffering Chiefs fans. I know a couple, and happy for them for sure. It is the ultimate payoff for any fanatic to see your team win it all, if you are as emotionally into the games as many of us are, you feel a little bit like you are part of it.

49'ers lose! Ya gotta love it!

[NineR]

Coming out of my stupor! LOL

cannot believe we (Niners) did not pound the ball in the 4th

hope we all have good games in the next season

[RiverDog]

Coming out of my stupor! LOL

cannot believe we (Niners) did not pound the ball in the 4th

hope we all have good games in the next season

Yeah, that seems to be the $64,000 question that everyone's asking. I'm also seeing a lot of questioning about some of the calls/no calls.

Good game, though, much more entertaining that Rams-Patriots last year.

[Hawktawk]

This was not half as ugly for Shanny as the Atlanta game vs the Pats. From the point the Falcons got a 28-3 lead midway through the 3rd they ran the ball exactly 5 times including dropping back 10 yards to pass on 3rd and 1, strip 6 sack, also a huge hold , sack sequence taking them out of field goal range wasting an incredible catch by Julio Jones.

Last Sunday KC decided to stack the box as the game went along and put the game on JG. They began to slow down the run . In the second and third quarters JG was the best QB on the field and in the end he wasn’t good at all. And one more time on Mahomes. It was a great performance . He was tight , he missed open guys. He made uncharacteristic mistakes . But in the end he did it on the biggest stage . Great performance . It wasn’t nearly as clean and efficient as RW in 48 but it was a W sticking it to the best passing defense in the league by a lot last year . Of course he was the MVP.

[RiverDog]

This was not half as ugly for Shanny as the Atlanta game vs the Pats. From the point the Falcons got a 28-3 lead midway through the 3rd they ran the ball exactly 5 times including dropping back 10 yards to pass on 3rd and 1, strip 6 sack, also a huge hold , sack sequence taking them out of field goal range wasting an incredible catch by Julio Jones.

Last Sunday KC decided to stack the box as the game went along and put the game on JG. They began to slow down the run . In the second and third quarters JG was the best QB on the field and in the end he wasn’t good at all. And one more time on Mahomes. It was a great performance . He was tight , he missed open guys. He made uncharacteristic mistakes . But in the end he did it on the biggest stage . Great performance . It wasn’t nearly as clean and efficient as RW in 48 but it was a W sticking it to the best passing defense in the league by a lot last year . Of course he was the MVP.

Here's a copy and paste of all the 2nd half running plays ran by the 49'ers (hope I got them all):

1st & 10 at 50
(13:14 - 3rd) (Shotgun) T.Coleman left end pushed ob at KC 46 for 4 yards (D.Nnadi).

2nd & 5 at KC 27
(11:14 - 3rd) (Shotgun) R.Mostert left end to KC 27 for no gain (D.Wilson).

1st & 10 at SF 20
(11:57 - 4th) R.Mostert right tackle to SF 26 for 6 yards (R.Ragland; D.Wilson).

1st & 10 at SF 38
(10:37 - 4th) R.Mostert left guard to SF 39 for 1 yard (D.Sorensen; C.Jones).

1st & 10 at SF 20
(6:06 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Mostert left tackle to SF 25 for 5 yards (D.Nnadi).

1st & 10 at KC 39
(4:42 - 3rd) R.Mostert right guard to KC 37 for 2 yards (K.Saunders).

1st & 10 at SF 15
(2:39 - 4th) (Shotgun) R.Mostert right tackle to SF 32 for 17 yards (K.Fuller).

That doesn't look to me like the Chief's were "beginning to stop the run". Sure, the Chiefs got a couple stops, but nothing so discouraging that would cause a reasonable play caller to change his entire plan.

I do agree with you that it wasn't quite as ugly as Atlanta's loss to New England, but it's close. There was no reason why the Niners had to start throwing the ball. With the exception of their last series that was all of two plays, it wasn't dictated to them by the Chief's defense, the score, or the time remaining.

[c_hawkbob]

In the post game interviews the Chiefs defenders were saying they were relieved the Niners went away from the running game. It really is inexplicable.

[Aseahawkfan]

Everyone second guesses the coach when he loses. Fact is Mahomes stepped up in the fourth quarter and put it to the 49ers. Only part I got wrong is how long it would take him to get going. If they had played two more quarters, KC wins by more. Mahomes had them figured out and was rolling by that time.

I don't care if the first three quarters were below average. He stepped up when he needed to and the team followed suit. 31 to 20 is not a close game for Frisco. They got soundly beat with that score. I'm glad.

I knew KC was better than the 49ers. I still say a healthy Seattle would have been a far better game in the Super Bowl than the 49ers.

Now Pete and John need to get on rebuilding our defense, so we can take our division back.

[RiverDog]

Everyone second guesses the coach when he loses. Fact is Mahomes stepped up in the fourth quarter and put it to the 49ers. Only part I got wrong is how long it would take him to get going. If they had played two more quarters, KC wins by more. Mahomes had them figured out and was rolling by that time.

I don't care if the first three quarters were below average. He stepped up when he needed to and the team followed suit. 31 to 20 is not a close game for Frisco. They got soundly beat with that score. I'm glad.

I knew KC was better than the 49ers. I still say a healthy Seattle would have been a far better game in the Super Bowl than the 49ers.

Now Pete and John need to get on rebuilding our defense, so we can take our division back.

By now, I think everyone is well aware that you picked the Chiefs. No need to keep blowing your horn.

I'm not sure if our defense could have held up against the KC. The reason the Niners were successful early was because they were getting pressure on Mahomes, something we've not done consistently over the season. The Niners were the perfectly built team to go up against the Chiefs, with a strong defense and a superior running attack. They would have won had they stayed with the girl that got them to the dance.

It was a great game. Nick Bosa is a stud. I'm afraid we're going to be swearing at him a lot over the coming years. And despite my criticism of his play in this game, Patrick Mahomes is the real deal. IMO he'll be around for 10-15 years vs. the 3-5 years of Lamar Jackson.

[obiken]

By now, I think everyone is well aware that you picked the Chiefs. No need to keep blowing your horn.

I'm not sure if our defense could have held up against the KC. The reason the Niners were successful early was because they were getting pressure on Mahomes, something we've not done consistently over the season. The Niners were the perfectly built team to go up against the Chiefs, with a strong defense and a superior running attack. They would have won had they stayed with the girl that got them to the dance.

It was a great game. Nick Bosa is a stud. I'm afraid we're going to be swearing at him a lot over the coming years. And despite my criticism of his play in this game, Patrick Mahomes is the real deal. IMO he'll be around for 10-15 years vs. the 3-5 years of Lamar Jackson.

Us completely healthy is a different game. Our RB's are better than the 49ers, moreover, their defense presents less problems to RW than SF. However we dont have the DB's to really stop either one. Who knows? KC was lucky, but I am not crying about it, I was happy for Andy Reid. Mahomes? comes down to injuries, and the cap. How would he do would our offense and RW with their offense.

[RiverDog]

Us completely healthy is a different game. Our RB's are better than the 49ers, moreover, their defense presents less problems to RW than SF. However we dont have the DB's to really stop either one. Who knows? KC was lucky, but I am not crying about it, I was happy for Andy Reid. Mahomes? comes down to injuries, and the cap. How would he do would our offense and RW with their offense.

Us completely healthy, sure. But the reality was that we weren't. Had we beaten the Packers, there's good reason to believe that we could have beaten the Niners as we nearly beat them and arguably should have beaten them a few weeks earlier. But we happen to match up well against the Niners. Not so sure that would be the case against the Chiefs.

Oh, well, water under the bridge. As we've discussed in other threads, the Niners have some challenges ahead of them. They have a couple of important pieces hitting free agency with not a lot of cap space to resign them. They'll be picking from the 31st spot in the draft and have a huge gap with no picks in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds. They'll be playing a 1st place schedule instead of the 3rd place slot they played from this season. They're in a in a tough division, with both us and the Rams being serious challengers. I think that they'll take a step back next season, but I don't think they miss the playoffs entirely. I don't think the Super Bowl loser's curse will strike them as hard as it did the Rams.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't like the 49ers. I still think they were over-rated. I don't think that team is built to sustain. I think they went to the Super Bowl in a weak year. Their QB isn't a Super Bowl caliber QB. Their defense is good, but not elite. I think they will be a one off like the Eagles or Rams. We're going to take the division back barring a total FUBAR in free agency.

[obiken]

I think your Wrong, but I really hope your Right!!

[RiverDog]

I don't like the 49ers. I still think they were over-rated. I don't think that team is built to sustain. I think they went to the Super Bowl in a weak year. Their QB isn't a Super Bowl caliber QB. Their defense is good, but not elite. I think they will be a one off like the Eagles or Rams. We're going to take the division back barring a total FUBAR in free agency.

I think they're over rated, too, but perhaps not to the same degree as you do. I think that they are a very strong defensive team with an outstanding offensive line. They have a good core both on offense and defense. IMO Bosa is the next JJ Watt and Kittle is the best in a generation tight end, a monster both as a receiver and a blocker. They are a little lacking at the skill positions, with running backs that decent and serviceable but no real game breakers, and except for Sanders, who's a free agent, their wide receivers are pretty average. As we've discussed, Garoppolo isn't a QB that can carry a team.

Their offseason priority has to be resigning Arik Armsted. At 26 years old, he's at his peak, and if they do bring him back, they're probably not going to be able to afford Emmanuel Sanders or Kyle Jusczuk. They have very skimpy draft capital and only $19M of cap space, so their chances of improving are pretty slim. They're still a good team, but I don't see them repeating as division champs.