Niners/Chiefs Super Bowl

[c_hawkbob]

In the Super Bowl I look at the QB and the coach, I'll take Mahomes and Reid.

[Aseahawkfan]

Chiefs will win. Jimmy G was awful today, yet Niners beat that weak ass Green Bay team. Ran on them like they were shredded paper. Mahomes is no Jimmy G. He going to break that SF defense. I should put money on the Chiefs. If the 49ers don't knock Mahomes out, he going to light them up. That dude is for real and unstoppable. I don't know where he came from, but he's no joke as a QB.

Jimmie G threw 8 passes. Pathetic. Green Bay defense is terrible on the road. How you can let a QB throw 8 passes, no TDs, and still beat you by 17 points. GB winning against us made for a weak NFC game. We would have done far better. GB was an embarrassment for the NFC today.

[Zorn76]

I am pulling for the Cheifs, but I think SF takes it, 37-33.

[RiverDog]

Before the conference championship games, I would have taken either the Titans or the Chiefs to beat the Niners in the Super Bowl, but after watching the Niners completely undress the Packers (game wasn't as close as the score would indicate), I'm going with them to win it all. If I'm the Chiefs, I'd load up against the run, go man on their WR's, and make Garappolo beat me.

I'm obviously going to be rooting for the Chiefs as I really like their fan base and was a big Chiefs fan back in the days of Len Dawson, Buck Bucannon, Bobby Bell, Willie Lanier, Mike Garrett, Lionel Taylor, et al...50 years ago when they last went to a SB. To put it in perspective, the Chiefs last SB appearance was in the final game played by the AFL as the merger took place the following season. They were on the ground floor of the modern day NFL.

[Aseahawkfan]

Sorry, Packers crap the bed in Frisco. This will be on a neutral field. Chiefs will take it. That game against Green Bay is an indication of nothing. They lost 37-8 back on November 24. They made this a closer game.

Chiefs are a different team.

[RiverDog]

Sorry, Packers crap the bed in Frisco. This will be on a neutral field. Chiefs will take it. That game against Green Bay is an indication of nothing. They lost 37-8 back on November 24. They made this a closer game.

Chiefs are a different team.

I agree that the Packers weren't worthy of a conference championship game appearance, but they didn't play the 2019 season with mirrors, either. They were still a playoff quality team with an HOF quarterback that the Niners b**** slapped. Statistically the Packers defense virtually stacks up the same as the Chiefs, particularly their run defense, which IMO is the key to beating the 49'ers.

Although I'm not fond of seeing the Niners win another ring as I have to put up with a number of their fans, it will be nice not seeing the frigging Patriots and that spoiled brat Tom Brady hoisting another trophy.

[NorthHawk]

I'm wondering if this SB will be a major shootout with both Offenses being potent.
The SF Defense has better stats, but after the last couple of games, I'm not sure
the KC Offense can be stopped.

[Aseahawkfan]

I agree that the Packers weren't worthy of a conference championship game appearance, but they didn't play the 2019 season with mirrors, either. They were still a playoff quality team with an HOF quarterback that the Niners b**** slapped. Statistically the Packers defense virtually stacks up the same as the Chiefs, particularly their run defense, which IMO is the key to beating the 49'ers.

Although I'm not fond of seeing the Niners win another ring as I have to put up with a number of their fans, it will be nice not seeing the frigging Patriots and that spoiled brat Tom Brady hoisting another trophy.

Rodgers did fine. It was the rest of Green Bay that sucked terribly. Green Bay defense is terrible. We would have beat them too if our run game wasn't gone by the time we faced them. They barely beat us with a run game of 3rd stringers and Marshawn after a few weeks of preparation.

Chiefs are much more prepared and much healthier with a far better QB. Did you see how terrible Jimmie G was? He didn't even have to do anything. He threw like 8 passes. When's the last time you saw a playoff caliber QB throw 8 passes in a 17 point win? Terrible.

I guarantee KC won't play that poorly. Mahomes will do much better against the Frisco defense. They are not all time great like our SB defense who manhandled the highest scoring offense in playoff history led by Peyton.

[RiverDog]

Rodgers did fine. It was the rest of Green Bay that sucked terribly. Green Bay defense is terrible. We would have beat them too if our run game wasn't gone by the time we faced them. They barely beat us with a run game of 3rd stringers and Marshawn after a few weeks of preparation.

Chiefs are much more prepared and much healthier with a far better QB. Did you see how terrible Jimmie G was? He didn't even have to do anything. He threw like 8 passes. When's the last time you saw a playoff caliber QB throw 8 passes in a 17 point win? Terrible.

I guarantee KC won't play that poorly. Mahomes will do much better against the Frisco defense. They are not all time great like our SB defense who manhandled the highest scoring offense in playoff history led by Peyton.

Rodgers threw two interceptions and fumbled 3 times, losing one. His QBR was 22.3. Not all of that was on him...I think one of the fumbles he was charged with didn't even touch his hands...but it's certainly not a performance one would expect out of a HOF quarterback.

The question boils down to were the 49'ers that good or were the Packers that bad? I tend to believe more the former than the latter as for all the Packer's faults that you have rightfully cited, they were relatively healthy for that game and had a 13-3 regular season record. As the saying goes, you are what your record says you are.

[Aseahawkfan]

Rodgers threw two interceptions and fumbled 3 times, losing one. His QBR was 22.3. Not all of that was on him...I think one of the fumbles he was charged with didn't even touch his hands...but it's certainly not a performance one would expect out of a HOF quarterback.

The question boils down to were the 49'ers that good or were the Packers that bad? I tend to believe more the former than the latter as for all the Packer's faults that you have rightfully cited, they were relatively healthy for that game and had a 13-3 regular season record. As the saying goes, you are what your record says you are.

I'd go with the latter given their previous performance in Frisco. Football is a very strange sport. You aren't what your record says. This is a game of matchups. Green Bay on the road in Frisco was a bad matchup for them. Just like for some reason we beat Frisco and barely lost the second time. And barely lost to Green Bay at home with a hobbled running game.

Frisco ain't that good. Jimmy G is no Patrick Mahomes. I think you will see him choke it up come playoff time, while Mahomes becomes the next big guy barring injury.

One nice thing about football is will all get decided on the field. We'll see who is right in a few weeks. I think KC beats the 49ers. Only reason I don't see KC blowing them out is their defense isn't able to crush 49ers run game. If the defense could stuff 49ers run game, 49ers would get clowned. Run game may keep it close. Mahomes is going to make that defense suffer. Mahomes going to be watching Seahawks tape and seeing how Russell dealt with their defense, then repeat the performance.

Mainly for me Mahomes is the deciding factor. I kept expecting that kid to fall apart or fail like so many other great starters I've seen over the years. Mahomes just seems to be getting better and better regardless of the pressure. I think he will rise to the occasion in the SB.

[obiken]

SF has too weapons. Their defense will create more problems for the Chiefs, than the other way around. My fear is the nightmare SB scenario: One team just happy to be there, and the other team expecting to win. Niners by a bunch.

[Oly]

I think Mahomes' mobility takes some of the bite out of the 49ers' main strength: their DL. So the 49ers will need to put up 30+ to win, and while I think their running game is damn good and will put up something like 25-30 points, I don't think it can hang in a shootout in the 4th quarter against Mahomes and company. I'll say 34-27 Chiefs.

[NorthHawk]

I haven't seen Jimmy G throw consistently outside the Hash Marks. That doesn't mean
he can't or doesn't, but rather I haven't seen him do it consistently. Part of my game plan
against them would be to clog the middle of the field for both passing and running. Get
them going East West and attack them then as their run game seems to do best between the Tackles.
But I'm no DC.

[NorthHawk]

Another Double Post...

[NineR]

Remember the last time the NFC West champs played the AFC West champs in a Superbowl?

High powered O against High powered D

[c_hawkbob]

I'm guessing everyone here remembers!

[NineR]

I'm guessing everyone here remembers!

I bet! LOL The best thing about that game was the safety

[c_hawkbob]

That was a good start but I'll take that first Kam Chancellor hit on Demaryius Thomas that made the whole stadium realize the Bronco's were our bitches that day!

[Aseahawkfan]

SF has too weapons. Their defense will create more problems for the Chiefs, than the other way around. My fear is the nightmare SB scenario: One team just happy to be there, and the other team expecting to win. Niners by a bunch.

Mahomes isn't Peyton Manning. You can bank on that. I don't know if you kept track of this kid at all, but he's for real. He don't crumble under pressure, he steps up. Chiefs will win, not by a bunch.

[Agent 86]

At first glance, I am giving the nod to the 49'ers. I certainly hope the Chiefs win, I know way too many 49'er fans, and if my team doesn't win it, I don't want any of my friends teams to win it, just the way I am. Plus division rival and all, never want that to happen.

I keep on going back to their defense, it just is that good. Solid run game against a KC defense that is not great against the run, Henry was having his way with them in the 1st half. Tackling is often forgotten about as a "factor" in the game, we all know how good that Hawks D was at tackling those years. The 49'ers D are great tacklers. KC will have to be able to do the same if they don't want it run down their throats.

Mahomes is definitely that good as well, he will be a problem for that Defense, but I think overall, the 49'ers have the better all round team. If KC is going to win this game, they will need to create a couple turnovers and probably have a big special teams play. If the 49'ers establish their ground game and get an early lead, it will be trouble for the Chiefs.

Looking forward to watching all the breakdowns in the next couple weeks. It should be a great game, and make no mistake about it, I am going to be a huge Chiefs fan on Super Bowl Sunday. But if I betting with my head, I am taking the 49'ers. Hope I am wrong.

[RiverDog]

SF has too weapons. Their defense will create more problems for the Chiefs, than the other way around. My fear is the nightmare SB scenario: One team just happy to be there, and the other team expecting to win. Niners by a bunch.

I don't see the Niners as having "weapons" as in great skill players, but they have an extremely effective offensive line with a really good blocking tight end. The Chiefs are going to have to put 8 defenders in the box on 1st and 2nd down and challenge Garappolo to beat them.

And BTW, I have to tip my hat to you for your Niners-Packers prediction. Even though the score wasn't what you said it would be, I have to give you credit as the game wasn't nearly as close as the final score would indicate. But I think you're wrong on the Super Bowl. IMO it's going to be a relatively close game, 24-17 Niners.

[Agent 86]

I would agree with you River as saying the 49'ers don't have "weapons" per se, maybe Kittle would be one as he is considered one of the top 2 at his position. The trade for Sanders IMO was huge, he has really steadied that receiver group and no doubt has provided much needed leadership to guys like Samuel and Bourne. Deebo Samuel has emerged as a quality option in his rookie year, and plays with an aggressive mindset. His rushing ability and YAC looks really good, and is a willing blocker, much the same as Kittle. It's a mindset their entire team has, do what it takes and do it hard, you will eventually wear down the defense and they will not want any part of you later in the game.

The combo of Mostert, Coleman, and Brieda I would not say any one of them is a "weapon", but the 3 of them combined certainly is one. The more I look at this team, the more I think the only way they will lose the Super Bowl is if Jimmy G is looking at himself in the mirror too much. If he manages the game well and doesn't turn the ball over, I think the Chiefs are in trouble. It will be tough to beat the 49'ers in the trenches, that is where they really excel.

The Chiefs will need an early lead, to stop the run and force Garoppolo to throw downfield more than he wants to.

[RiverDog]

I would agree with you River as saying the 49'ers don't have "weapons" per se, maybe Kittle would be one as he is considered one of the top 2 at his position.

IMO Kittle is one of the top one at his position, that is unless you're thinking of fantasy football. The guy is one of the best, if not the best, blocking tight ends in football and one of the major reasons why the Niners were able to gain nearly 300 yards rushing last Sunday.

[Aseahawkfan]

I still say the difference is going to be Mahomes. I think when he steps on that big stage, he won't wither. He's going to shine. Mahomes is young, focused, and confident. He's not going to let the 49er defense throw him off his game. That kid came to win. He's going to do it.

[Hawktawk]

I still say the difference is going to be Mahomes. I think when he steps on that big stage, he won't wither. He's going to shine. Mahomes is young, focused, and confident. He's not going to let the 49er defense throw him off his game. That kid came to win. He's going to do it.

I completely agree with this. Mahomes is the 6'2" Wilson extending plays and beating teams with his arm and legs and attitude. He's got a nice compliment of weapons, one of the better tight ends in Kelce, Tyreek hill who is the fastest man in the league, decent line and an offensive genius as a HC. Wilson had much less than that and was 3 inches from sweeping the 9ers.

Another little known fact is that KCs defense really solidified the second half of the season and was one of the better units in the league at years end. Frank Clark is earning his money.

The 9ers defense is legit. I watched the week 17 game last week and the speed and range of Bosa is frightening.He stopped Russ from gashing the 9ers a few times running him down like a jaguar. Their defense in general is superior but can they stop the chiefs? After spotting the Texans that huge lead it looked like KC was playing a high school team the rest of the way Garoppolo has been solid if mostly unspectacular but hes also won a shootout with Drew Brees. Their run game is multifaceted and the TE is phenomenal. I think they have the edge on defense by quite a bit but dont have the firepower on offense if the Chiefs get on a roll.
Im rooting for KC, rooting for Reid, one of the good guys, the greatest coach who has never won a SB. I think he knows its time, these chances dont come along too often. Last time he had an out of shape McNabb puking in the huddle and wasting clock with the game on the line. This time he's got a superstar athlete. I agree it will be the difference.

Ill say Chiefs 34
9ers 27

[RiverDog]

I still say the difference is going to be Mahomes. I think when he steps on that big stage, he won't wither. He's going to shine. Mahomes is young, focused, and confident. He's not going to let the 49er defense throw him off his game. That kid came to win. He's going to do it.

I completely agree with this. Mahomes is the 6'2" Wilson extending plays and beating teams with his arm and legs and attitude. He's got a nice compliment of weapons, one of the better tight ends in Kelce, Tyreek hill who is the fastest man in the league, decent line and an offensive genius as a HC. Wilson had much less than that and was 3 inches from sweeping the 9ers.

Another little known fact is that KCs defense really solidified the second half of the season and was one of the better units in the league at years end. Frank Clark is earning his money.

The 9ers defense is legit. I watched the week 17 game last week and the speed and range of Bosa is frightening.He stopped Russ from gashing the 9ers a few times running him down like a jaguar. Their defense in general is superior but can they stop the chiefs? After spotting the Texans that huge lead it looked like KC was playing a high school team the rest of the way Garoppolo has been solid if mostly unspectacular but hes also won a shootout with Drew Brees. Their run game is multifaceted and the TE is phenomenal. I think they have the edge on defense by quite a bit but dont have the firepower on offense if the Chiefs get on a roll.
Im rooting for KC, rooting for Reid, one of the good guys, the greatest coach who has never won a SB. I think he knows its time, these chances dont come along too often. Last time he had an out of shape McNabb puking in the huddle and wasting clock with the game on the line. This time he's got a superstar athlete. I agree it will be the difference.

Ill say Chiefs 34
9ers 27

I'm a big Mahomes fan, too, and Hawktalk has a good point about KC's defense being underrated. They did what two very good defenses, New England and Baltimore, couldn't do, shut down the Titan's running attack. I wouldn't be surprised if this game turns into a defensive struggle with less than 40 total points scored.

I'll go with SF 20, KC 17.

[Agent 86]

I hope you are all right guys, I am pulling for the Chiefs big time. I have had Mahomes in my fantasy pool the last 2 years, so have watched quite a few Chiefs games. Agree with everything you say about him, he is a special player capable of winning a game on his own and seems so focused on winning it all after last year's disappointing loss in the AFCCG. His scrambling ability will definitely help move the chains and get him some extra time to find his receivers downfield.

Very tough matchup, and I tend to lean to the defense over the offense in games like this. I might bet on the 49'ers to win this game, that way, it's almost win/win for me. I would actually prefer to lose $100 and see the Chiefs win!

[RiverDog]

I might bet on the 49'ers to win this game, that way, it's almost win/win for me. I would actually prefer to lose $100 and see the Chiefs win!

I actually like betting against our Hawks based on that same win/win principle. If I bet on us to lose and we win, I don't feel the pain of losing $100 like I would had I bet on some random game and if we lose, at least I have a nice consolation prize in the winning of the bet.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm going to toss out a score for the heck of it.

Chiefs 38. 4 passing TDs from Mahomes and one running TD from somewhere with a field goal.
Frisco: 23. 2 TDs and 3 field goals. Jimmie G plays another soft game and Mahomes driven offense keeps them off the field.

[NineR]

The way we the Niners win is pressure on the Mahomes and keep the score down. Once KC gets the lead its like the cows are out of the barn.

If we win I predict 27-24 ish

[Hawktawk]

I saw where a couple of people said SF doesn’t have skill players ? Kittle we know . Deebo Samuel is a beast . Obviously sanders added a lot. The backs are well above average including the fullback who is an excellent receiver and burned the Hawks bad in week 17. Mostert just hung up the biggest rushing day in 9ers playoff history and second all time playoff rushing yards. Their skill players are just fine . KCs are better . KC has a definite edge at QB but underestimate Jimmy g at your peril.

[NorthHawk]

I think how you slow down the SF Offense is to plug the middle.
Make the RBs run East West and make Jimmy G. throw outside the hashmarks.
If you look at their big plays, they are usually between the Tackles in the run game and crossing patterns at receiver.

[Aseahawkfan]

Well, my precise score was off, but the idea was right. I figured Mahomes would struggle early, figure things out by the second half, and the Chiefs would start to light it up outrunning the 49ers. Their SF defense is good, but it was no 2013 Seattle legendary defense and they are prone to give up a lot of points against good teams.

Good for the Chiefs. Mahomes is the real deal. He going to be challenging for a while if the Chiefs can hold it together.

[Uppercut]

I am waiting for Richard to star finger pointing and whining

[RiverDog]

Mahomes played pretty poorly for the first 3 quarters. He was off target, throwing behind his receivers a lot. It wasn't one of his better performances. But they came through in the 4th quarter. It was quite a turnaround. KC's defense sucked it up, shutting down the Niners in their last 4 possessions. I'm still not that impressed with Garappolo.

As discussed in our free agent thread, the Niners are going to have some challenges ahead of them in the offseason with a couple of key players hitting free agency and awfully thin capital in the draft. Although I don't think they implode like the Rams did, I don't think that they have the look of a perennial division winner.

[jshawaii22]

Richard Sherman is the goat of the game, even though they didn't pass at him until mid-way 4th qtr and he played great run defense... doesn't matter! Rule #1 for DB's is don't let the offensive player get behind you in man-to-man coverage and you blew it. Chop, Chop, Chop... there goes the G.O.A.T. argument!

[trents]

A very competitive SB and the two teams that wound up in it were the two best teams in the NFL this year. Both teams should be proud of what they accomplished this year. Both teams should be very good for several years with a lot of young talent in the right places. Reed is getting long in the tooth, however, so I don't know how much longer he will be in the game.

[obiken]

Yeah I am surprised not shocked, I never thought the Chief defense could hang with them. The Niners had this one and gave the ball back to PM with 750 to go in the 4th. The Niners do not have that great back you need to control the clock with. This was not a great game for PM, but he won. I know that Niner pain is not high on our priority list, but I dont think you just bounce back from this.

[Aseahawkfan]

Mahomes played pretty poorly for the first 3 quarters. He was off target, throwing behind his receivers a lot. It wasn't one of his better performances. But they came through in the 4th quarter. It was quite a turnaround. KC's defense sucked it up, shutting down the Niners in their last 4 possessions. I'm still not that impressed with Garappolo.

As discussed in our free agent thread, the Niners are going to have some challenges ahead of them in the offseason with a couple of key players hitting free agency and awfully thin capital in the draft. Although I don't think they implode like the Rams did, I don't think that they have the look of a perennial division winner.

And still ended the game with 2 passing TDs and one rushing TD leading KC to 31 points. If Mahomes had got going earlier, they would have hit that 38. Damn.

I knew KC was going to win. SF wasn't as good as their record. They were an above average team playing a weak schedule catching certain teams like us at the right time.

[RiverDog]

If Mahomes had got going earlier, they would have hit that 38. Damn.

That's the glass half full way of looking at it. The glass half empty part is that had KC's defense not finally come to the party and sucked it up by stopping the Niners on their last 4 drives and had the opposing QB not shriveled under pressure by going 3-11 with one bad pick down the stretch, Mahomes would never have gotten his gifted opportunity to redeem his previously poor play and made possible his heroism in the 4th quarter as SF ended the game punt, punt, turnover on downs, interception. Toss in some questionable calls that didn't go the 49'ers way, like the Kittle OPI at the end of the first half, the Williams TD, the no-call defensive offside on a critical 3rd down, a delay of game that wasn't called also on 3rd down, and that game could have gone a lot differently and Mahomes would have been the goat...lower case.

Mahomes did not play a MVP-worthy game (IMO Damien Williams should have won the MVP), throwing two bad picks and was well off target for the majority of the game. Project his final numbers...26-42, 286, 2 TD's, 2 INT's, passer rating 78.1, QBR 61.6...numbers that were skewed by an excellent 4th quarter performance...over a full season and he's out of the league. I'm a huge Mahomes fan, too, love everything abut the guy and was rooting for KC to win, but no quarterback can be happy with that kind of inconsistent Swiss cheese performance that he put up yesterday.