Seahawk Free Agents

[RiverDog]

According to Spotrac we have 22 UFA's:

Clowney, Anash, Kendricks, Fant, Iupati, Woods, Ifedi, Jefferson, Gordon, Brown, King, J. Reed, Lynch, Thorpe, Watson, Turbin, Smith, Willson, Prosise, Hunt, Jackson, K. Reed.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents ... available/

Many of those are as good as gone, like Beast, Josh Gordon, Robert Turbin, and so on. I think that most of us (except Obi) will agree that the priority has to be doing what it takes to get Clowney signed to a long term deal. And I can't imagine them bring Prosise back unless it's at a very discounted rate. But how about the rest?

IMO Ziggy is gone unless he wants to come back at a discounted rate, and if we sign Clowney, there might not be enough left over in the kitty to resign Reed, who had a down year marred by his 6 game suspension for DV. I also think Kendricks is gone, as he sustained a major knee injury and Cody Barton looks ready to step in and fill his starting role. I also think Ifedi is gone, not because he didn't play well, but because he's likely to get at least one offer that will break our budget.

But what about George Fant? Is he ready to step in and replace Ifedi if we decide to part ways? Or how about Quinton Jefferson and Al Woods? We're already thin on the DL.

Comments?

[NorthHawk]

I'm not sure we can keep all of the important FA's, but in order of importance, I would put the list as:

Clowney
J. Reed
Ifedi
Jefferson
Fant
Kendricks

Then the others.

There's enough money to sign all of these and a FA or two barring outlandish offers from other teams.

For me, the LoS is the most important area on a team and Offensive Tackles are real hard to come by.
We've spent the last few years remaking the OL and losing Ifedi would be a big hit in my opinion. Fant
is more of a LT than a power run blocker as we like to use the RT. He might be able to fit in for a spell,
but I don't see him as a continual starter at RT. Both Ifedi and Fant might get crazy offers in FA and that
would be hard to fill with draft picks that would take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed or lesser FA's like we
tried and failed with previously.

DL needs a serious upgrade of speed and pressure from the edges. Clowney and Reed can be part of the
fix, but to lose one or both would mean a setback in the DL productivity. Jefferson is a good role player
and Woods if he doesn't need PED's to compete can be another rotational piece. JS might find some
players that were good but need prove-it deals, so that might happen. A player like Vic Beasley perhaps
whose productivity fell off the last year or so might be a good reclamation project. As well, with the
coaching changes in the league there will be some players that won't fit the new schemes and become
available through either trades or FA.

[RiverDog]

I'm not sure we can keep all of the important FA's, but in order of importance, I would put the list as:

Clowney
J. Reed
Ifedi
Jefferson
Fant
Kendricks

Then the others.

There's enough money to sign all of these and a FA or two barring outlandish offers from other teams.

That's the problem I see with resigning Ifedi. Given his improved play, his starting in all 18 games for us this season, and as much in demand as experienced, proven OT's are in this league, IMO it's all but a foregone conclusion that someone is going to make an "outlandish" offer for Ifedi. In any event, I can't see us resigning both him and Fant as it wouldn't make a lot of sense to pay starting tackle money to 3 OT's not to mention Pete Carroll's aversion to paying a lot of $$$ to offensive linemen. Additionally, not many teams, including the Seahawks, resign a player that they didn't pick up the 5th year option on.

Reed didn't play all that well after returning from suspension, but that could be a plus as it might allow him to fly under the radar. However, if we end up having to break the piggy bank to get Clowney on board, that might not leave enough in the DL budget to bring back Reed.

[NorthHawk]

Money is the least of the problems with Clowney. I think we are going to make him a great offer and he seems to like the team
as he made a special visit to Schneider to thank him. We might get a bit of a deal with J. Reed, and I think we could
pay him a good wage. Currently the RT market is from $18 million (Lane Johnson) at the top to $6.5 million (Marcus
Cannon) at #10 all average salaries according to Spotrac. I think the $7 - 10 million range would be what he would expect to get
on the open market. So re-signing Ifedi should be doable and I doubt he will get a $12 million offer from any team.

We have $60 million+ Cap space and should they rework Britt's contract, that could increase.

[RiverDog]

Money is the least of the problems with Clowney. I think we are going to make him a great offer and he seems to like the team
as he made a special visit to Schneider to thank him. We might get a bit of a deal with J. Reed, and I think we could
pay him a good wage. Currently the RT market is from $18 million (Lane Johnson) at the top to $6.5 million (Marcus
Cannon) at #10 all average salaries according to Spotrac. I think the $7 - 10 million range would be what he would expect to get
on the open market. So re-signing Ifedi should be doable and I doubt he will get a $12 million offer from any team.

We have $60 million+ Cap space and should they rework Britt's contract, that could increase.

Agreed about Clowney. We'll make him a fair offer. Maybe not Kahlil Mack or Aaron Donald type money, but close, around $20M. The Hawks have never been known as being cheap.

I think you'll be surprised at how big an offer Ifedi gets. Nearly all the free agent RT's are 30+ years old, and although age isn't as much of a factor on the OL as it is at other positions, it's always better to be south of the 30 year old barrier, and he hasn't had any major injuries. If $18M is the high water mark, Ifedi will certainly draw at least $10-12M. But we'll see.

[Agent 86]

I am thinking the Hawks are going to retain Ifedi, even if it means overpaying him. The offense seems to have taken steps forward, and OL continuity is just so important.

My reason is this. All the other OL guys that we have lost over the years after their 1st contract was up was due to them being overpaid in free agency, and they just weren't good enough to retain at that high of price. And the reason for that was we had too many players on Defense who needed to get paid, so overpaying at OL wasn't in the cards in order to retain the championship Defense. Pete and John always figured they could have a cheaper O line and get by.

But this year, it has changed. I don't see why they would not overpay Ifedi a bit to keep the Offence in tact and use that money elsewhere. I'll admit, I don't watch the O-line in depth and understand it all, I usually only notice Ifedi when he commits a penalty, so have a bit of a negative attitude towards him. I probably don't appreciate what he has done for the offense.

I pretty much agree with North's list in order he has it, obviously, Clowney and Reed are the 2 big ones on D. The pass rush has to improve while the run D must improve as well, having those 2 in the mix will certainly help, along with whatever additions are made.

[RiverDog]

I am thinking the Hawks are going to retain Ifedi, even if it means overpaying him. The offense seems to have taken steps forward, and OL continuity is just so important.

My reason is this. All the other OL guys that we have lost over the years after their 1st contract was up was due to them being overpaid in free agency, and they just weren't good enough to retain at that high of price. And the reason for that was we had too many players on Defense who needed to get paid, so overpaying at OL wasn't in the cards in order to retain the championship Defense. Pete and John always figured they could have a cheaper O line and get by.

But this year, it has changed. I don't see why they would not overpay Ifedi a bit to keep the Offence in tact and use that money elsewhere. I'll admit, I don't watch the O-line in depth and understand it all, I usually only notice Ifedi when he commits a penalty, so have a bit of a negative attitude towards him. I probably don't appreciate what he has done for the offense.

I pretty much agree with North's list in order he has it, obviously, Clowney and Reed are the 2 big ones on D. The pass rush has to improve while the run D must improve as well, having those 2 in the mix will certainly help, along with whatever additions are made.

We're going to have to keep either Ifedi or Fant, that I agree with. Losing both would create a huge hole on the OL as Jamarco Jones doesn't look as if he's going to cut it at tackle and would be better suited to replace Iupati at guard. Joey Hunt is a free agent, too, so we could have a problem at center if Britt doesn't recover well from knee surgery.

But I'm not that attached to Reed, and would rate him a peg or two lower than North Hawk has him, at least relative to the offers he's bound to receive. He wasn't much of a factor this season. Our DL didn't perform well enough to give two OL's big paydays. Jefferson might be the better bargain.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't want to keep Clowney. Too much injury history and seems to be too up and down.

My priority on that list would be Reed. Kendricks if he comes back healthy would be good to keep. The rest can be replaced.

[Zorn76]

I don't want to keep Clowney. Too much injury history and seems to be too up and down.

My priority on that list would be Reed. Kendricks if he comes back healthy would be good to keep. The rest can be replaced.

I agree, though most seem in favor of keeping him.
My thought is that $100 mil over 5 yrs, for example, is too much for a guy considering the number of issues we have to address this off season.
I also think there's a good chance that another team out bids Seattle anyway, which I would be OK with.
He's a good player, still young (almost 27) and has been a hit apparently in the locker room. I get the appeal.
But for $20 mil per, I expect JJ Watt type production. And JaDaveon doesn't fit that description consistently enough.
Again, a good, at times dominant player, but the Power Ball money that would go to him is better spent across the board.
We have needs at Edge (pass rusher, again), S,CB,RB,LB,TE. Offensive line...I dunno if we ever figure that one out. I'm not in favor of keeping anyone long term at this point. Phil Haynes...we'll see how he does. Jones as a G could be good. They just never seem to figure it out. Let Infedi go. Same with Fant if he gets a mega deal.
We are not that far off from being SB legit. But John has to be careful about our cap health long term, even if we're in good shape currently. We need to start hitting on day 1 picks as well.

[NorthHawk]

I think we keep Clowney and I hope we do. He a disruptor who ruins both pass games and run games.

Sleeper Draft pick: Bryce Huff, DE Memphis. He's like another Frank Clark, smaller but approx the same size
as Khalil Mack (for those who think at 6-2 and 250lbs is too small for a DE). Great first step, good
strength in his hands and sets the edge well. Watch his highlights and he's usually the first off the ball.

[RiverDog]

I agree, though most seem in favor of keeping him (Clowney).

My thought is that $100 mil over 5 yrs, for example, is too much for a guy considering the number of issues we have to address this off season. I also think there's a good chance that another team out bids Seattle anyway, which I would be OK with. He's a good player, still young (almost 27) and has been a hit apparently in the locker room. I get the appeal. But for $20 mil per, I expect JJ Watt type production. And JaDaveon doesn't fit that description consistently enough. Again, a good, at times dominant player, but the Power Ball money that would go to him is better spent across the board.

I agree that Clowney's production doesn't place him in the JJ Watt/Kahlil Mack/Aaron Donald level, but he's definitely on the next tier, which given the upward trend of salaries, is about where $20 would place him (Mack is at $23.5M, Donald at $22.5M).

We have needs at Edge (pass rusher, again), S,CB,RB,LB,TE. Offensive line...I dunno if we ever figure that one out. I'm not in favor of keeping anyone long term at this point. Phil Haynes...we'll see how he does. Jones as a G could be good. They just never seem to figure it out. Let Infedi go. Same with Fant if he gets a mega deal.

We are not that far off from being SB legit. But John has to be careful about our cap health long term, even if we're in good shape currently. We need to start hitting on day 1 picks as well.

Fant has never been a full time starter, so I don't see him getting a "mega deal." IMO we can probably keep him for around $5M.

10/4 with your last paragraph. For one reason or another, we haven't been getting much mileage out of our top picks, and that needs to change, although you have to make an exception for Metcalf as he was sensational and lived up to his billing.

[NorthHawk]

Our first picks have been better than the perception.
That they didn't fit our system on the OL except Ifedi doesn't mean they were
bad players. Carpenter and Irvin are still playing, and Britt and Ifedi are still
on our team. That's 4 late round picks (except for Irvin who was mid round) that
are still playing in the NFL. Our problem was with Cable wanting big players that
can move like small players. That's a rarity and with lower draft slotting, almost
impossible to find.
It seems to me the real problem is drafting WR in the 4th round. Has any caught on?

[obiken]

I agree Riv, Screw resigning GI, he is a flag machine and I am sick of him. Send him down the road.

[RiverDog]

I agree Riv, Screw resigning GI, he is a flag machine and I am sick of him. Send him down the road.

I've softened my opinion of Ifedi this past season. Yes, he still draws too many false start penalties, but it's not outrageously bad as it was a couple seasons ago. There were 5 players, all offensive tackles, that had more penalties per game than he had. Laremy Tunsil, OT for the Texans, had 14 false start penalties. Ifedi had 8. And keep in mind that blocking for a scrambling quarterback like Russell Wilson that holds onto the ball forever is a nightmare for an offensive lineman.

Ifedi is a good run blocker and he's durable, not missing a single start in 18 games this season. I wouldn't mind seeing him back in Seahawk blue next season, but I think he's going to get an offer above what we're willing to pay for him.

[Aseahawkfan]

I agree, though most seem in favor of keeping him.
My thought is that $100 mil over 5 yrs, for example, is too much for a guy considering the number of issues we have to address this off season.
I also think there's a good chance that another team out bids Seattle anyway, which I would be OK with.
He's a good player, still young (almost 27) and has been a hit apparently in the locker room. I get the appeal.
But for $20 mil per, I expect JJ Watt type production. And JaDaveon doesn't fit that description consistently enough.
Again, a good, at times dominant player, but the Power Ball money that would go to him is better spent across the board.
We have needs at Edge (pass rusher, again), S,CB,RB,LB,TE. Offensive line...I dunno if we ever figure that one out. I'm not in favor of keeping anyone long term at this point. Phil Haynes...we'll see how he does. Jones as a G could be good. They just never seem to figure it out. Let Infedi go. Same with Fant if he gets a mega deal.
We are not that far off from being SB legit. But John has to be careful about our cap health long term, even if we're in good shape currently. We need to start hitting on day 1 picks as well.

Our defense operates better with three good rushers, not one could be great rusher. That's how I see it. Clowney has a lot of upside if healthy and playing as well as he can play, but I'd rather do it like we did it before: 3 or 4 good guys rather than relying on one great guy. Find some more Clemons and Bennetts and Avrils. Guys we can pay well, but work better as a group than as an individual. Reed's that type of guy. Clowney is more of a high paid name like Suh who will likely want too much money to provide too little impact.

[RiverDog]

Our defense operates better with three good rushers, not one could be great rusher. That's how I see it. Clowney has a lot of upside if healthy and playing as well as he can play, but I'd rather do it like we did it before: 3 or 4 good guys rather than relying on one great guy. Find some more Clemons and Bennetts and Avrils. Guys we can pay well, but work better as a group than as an individual. Reed's that type of guy. Clowney is more of a high paid name like Suh who will likely want too much money to provide too little impact.

The problem is that we don't have those 3 or 4 good rushers and it's unlikely that we'll find two or three sleepers lurking in free agency like we did with Avril, Bennett, and Clemons.

Clowney is the type of player that can make everybody better, and I like his attitude: Last week, he seeked out John Schneider just to tell him how much he likes playing for us. I wouldn't pay him Kahlil Mack or Aaron Donald type money, but I can see us giving him a nice contract in the $18-$20M range.

I'm 50/50 on Reed. He didn't do much to earn his 2nd contract this season, but maybe sitting out the first 6 weeks had more to do with his lackluster play than we realize.

[Aseahawkfan]

The problem is that we don't have those 3 or 4 good rushers and it's unlikely that we'll find two or three sleepers lurking in free agency like we did with Avril, Bennett, and Clemons.

Clowney is the type of player that can make everybody better, and I like his attitude: Last week, he seeked out John Schneider just to tell him how much he likes playing for us. I wouldn't pay him Kahlil Mack or Aaron Donald type money, but I can see us giving him a nice contract in the $18-$20M range.

I'm 50/50 on Reed. He didn't do much to earn his 2nd contract this season, but maybe sitting out the first 6 weeks had more to do with his lackluster play than we realize.

Reed is a building block. Big old DT that can rush the passer. Still got 2 sacks after missing six games. Clowney only got 3 sacks in 13 games. Reed is cheaper and young as well. I'd rather keep a DT that can rush and find some DEs. If Clowney gives us a good price, I"d be fine with it. I'd still rather focus on Reed if we can only keep one.

[RiverDog]

Reed is a building block. Big old DT that can rush the passer. Still got 2 sacks after missing six games. Clowney only got 3 sacks in 13 games. Reed is cheaper and young as well. I'd rather keep a DT that can rush and find some DEs. If Clowney gives us a good price, I"d be fine with it. I'd still rather focus on Reed if we can only keep one.

Clowney is a huge disruptive force that makes plays that don't show up on the stat sheet. He's a better defender against the run and although the two play different positions, is responsible for more tackles for loss than is Reed. Clowney is a lot more difficult player to block, a lot more athletic. Neither sack numbers are anything to write home about and need to improve, but IMO of the two players, Clowney has by far the bigger upside.

[NorthHawk]

Reed never really got untracked and that may be to the benefit of the team.
He sprained his ankle after coming back from the suspension and never healed to the point of
being the player he was the previous year.
We need good defensive linemen and going cheap when we have enough Cap space is pretty stupid.

[RiverDog]

Reed never really got untracked and that may be to the benefit of the team.
He sprained his ankle after coming back from the suspension and never healed to the point of
being the player he was the previous year.
We need good defensive linemen and going cheap when we have enough Cap space is pretty stupid.

Having a suspension and a below average season during your contract year isn't the ideal way to maximize a player's income.

I'm not nearly as hung up on big contracts as some of our posters (Obi, you listening?), but I do want to see us be smart with our resources. John Schneider has done a phenomenal job of managing our payroll. Just last year he signs Russell Wilson to the largest contract in the history of the league yet we're in the top 10 in cap space and we're a SB contending team. I'm good with whatever decision he makes.

[NorthHawk]

I think he learned a big lesson the last few years about handling the Cap space better.
We'll see if my theory is correct these next couple of years.

[RiverDog]

Jarran Reed sent out a tweet calling an $8-10M potential offer, which is in the upper range for a non Pro Bowl defensive tackle, "disrespectfully low".

https://12thmanrising.com/2020/01/22/ja ... -seahawks/

I wouldn't get too excited at this point as players are human and can often times give a knee jerk reaction to off the cuff proposals and the article goes on to point out that there are some factors that play in the Hawks' favor such as Reed's apparent gratitude for our FO standing by him during his suspension and that it might be a buyer's market for DL's, but the fact is that an offer above $10M for an underperforming DT is probably not in the cards.

And here's another take from Jim Moore:

He was part of a defense that had only 28 sacks and was 22nd overall against the run. If he’s not part of that defensive line in 2020, would the Seahawks really be that much worse?

You could make a better case for letting Reed go and spending the money you’re saving on a pass-rusher while hoping Poona Ford and another cheaper veteran could fill the Reed void at defensive tackle. Then I’d hope that Reed gets a huge deal from another team. If that happens, the Seahawks could be in position to get a third-round compensatory pick for the 2021 NFL Draft.

Seems like Reed, coming off a suspension and subpar season, has little leverage going into free agency and just might have to come up with a new definition for respect.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/756790/m ... k-VnDd_8hA

[mykc14]

Jarran Reed sent out a tweet calling an $8-10M potential offer, which is in the upper range for a non Pro Bowl defensive tackle, "disrespectfully low".

https://12thmanrising.com/2020/01/22/ja ... -seahawks/

I wouldn't get too excited at this point as players are human and can often times give a knee jerk reaction to off the cuff proposals and the article goes on to point out that there are some factors that play in the Hawks' favor such as Reed's apparent gratitude for our FO standing by him during his suspension and that it might be a buyer's market for DL's, but the fact is that an offer above $10M for an underperforming DT is probably not in the cards.

And here's another take from Jim Moore:

He was part of a defense that had only 28 sacks and was 22nd overall against the run. If he’s not part of that defensive line in 2020, would the Seahawks really be that much worse?

You could make a better case for letting Reed go and spending the money you’re saving on a pass-rusher while hoping Poona Ford and another cheaper veteran could fill the Reed void at defensive tackle. Then I’d hope that Reed gets a huge deal from another team. If that happens, the Seahawks could be in position to get a third-round compensatory pick for the 2021 NFL Draft.

Seems like Reed, coming off a suspension and subpar season, has little leverage going into free agency and just might have to come up with a new definition for respect.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/756790/m ... k-VnDd_8hA

Considering that currently the 10th highest paid 4-3 DT in the league gets 8 mil/year I would hope that we would let him walk if he is thinking he's getting anything close to that. Teams are stupid and somebody will probably offer him too much money, but hopefully it isn't us. In his 4 years of professional football he has had 1.5, 1.5, 10.5, and 2 sacks and 1, 4, 12, and 0 Tackles for Loss. He truly did have one dominant year. I know if he would have played a full season he probably has more than 2 sacks and gets at least 1 TFL, but not much more and certainly nothing that puts him above a 10 mil/year contract. With his suspension and poor production when he played this year he has probably put himself in the position to sign a one year- prove it- type of deal. I think he has the potential to be really good and that is why I think somebody is going to overpay for him.

[Aseahawkfan]

Clowney is a huge disruptive force that makes plays that don't show up on the stat sheet. He's a better defender against the run and although the two play different positions, is responsible for more tackles for loss than is Reed. Clowney is a lot more difficult player to block, a lot more athletic. Neither sack numbers are anything to write home about and need to improve, but IMO of the two players, Clowney has by far the bigger upside.

And is a far more expensive big name. We get more from guys like Reed than we do from Clowney. Clowney is a former first round draft pick with a big name and competition on market. Reed is a young and up and coming DT looking to make a name for himself who played hurt. I Far more upside with Reed for the price I'd bet. Reed had 10 sacks and was good against the run last year. Not sure what happened this year. We weren't good against the run at all, so saying Clowney was better isn't saying much.

[Aseahawkfan]

Having a suspension and a below average season during your contract year isn't the ideal way to maximize a player's income.

I'm not nearly as hung up on big contracts as some of our posters (Obi, you listening?), but I do want to see us be smart with our resources. John Schneider has done a phenomenal job of managing our payroll. Just last year he signs Russell Wilson to the largest contract in the history of the league yet we're in the top 10 in cap space and we're a SB contending team. I'm good with whatever decision he makes.

Signing Clowney is not smart with our resources. He's going to charge a lot. He's one of those players drafted with extreme high expectations due to his freakish athleticism that never panned out. He's likely to start a bidding war. I say let him walk, collect the draft pick, and sign the cheaper Reed who had a nice season last season and was thrown off some this year. Reed's shown his potential. We have a chance to keep a guy we drafted that is good and fills a strong need for that interior DT.I think he can be every bit the Michael Bennett type we're looking for to pair with some other guys.

[Aseahawkfan]

Jarran Reed sent out a tweet calling an $8-10M potential offer, which is in the upper range for a non Pro Bowl defensive tackle, "disrespectfully low".

https://12thmanrising.com/2020/01/22/ja ... -seahawks/

I wouldn't get too excited at this point as players are human and can often times give a knee jerk reaction to off the cuff proposals and the article goes on to point out that there are some factors that play in the Hawks' favor such as Reed's apparent gratitude for our FO standing by him during his suspension and that it might be a buyer's market for DL's, but the fact is that an offer above $10M for an underperforming DT is probably not in the cards.

And here's another take from Jim Moore:

He was part of a defense that had only 28 sacks and was 22nd overall against the run. If he’s not part of that defensive line in 2020, would the Seahawks really be that much worse?

You could make a better case for letting Reed go and spending the money you’re saving on a pass-rusher while hoping Poona Ford and another cheaper veteran could fill the Reed void at defensive tackle. Then I’d hope that Reed gets a huge deal from another team. If that happens, the Seahawks could be in position to get a third-round compensatory pick for the 2021 NFL Draft.

Seems like Reed, coming off a suspension and subpar season, has little leverage going into free agency and just might have to come up with a new definition for respect.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/756790/m ... k-VnDd_8hA

Twitter, the place where reason and intelligence goes to die.

[RiverDog]

Twitter, the place where reason and intelligence goes to die.

No argument there!

[Hawktawk]

Jarran Reed sent out a tweet calling an $8-10M potential offer, which is in the upper range for a non Pro Bowl defensive tackle, "disrespectfully low".

https://12thmanrising.com/2020/01/22/ja ... -seahawks/

I wouldn't get too excited at this point as players are human and can often times give a knee jerk reaction to off the cuff proposals and the article goes on to point out that there are some factors that play in the Hawks' favor such as Reed's apparent gratitude for our FO standing by him during his suspension and that it might be a buyer's market for DL's, but the fact is that an offer above $10M for an underperforming DT is probably not in the cards.

And here's another take from Jim Moore:

He was part of a defense that had only 28 sacks and was 22nd overall against the run. If he’s not part of that defensive line in 2020, would the Seahawks really be that much worse?

You could make a better case for letting Reed go and spending the money you’re saving on a pass-rusher while hoping Poona Ford and another cheaper veteran could fill the Reed void at defensive tackle. Then I’d hope that Reed gets a huge deal from another team. If that happens, the Seahawks could be in position to get a third-round compensatory pick for the 2021 NFL Draft.

Seems like Reed, coming off a suspension and subpar season, has little leverage going into free agency and just might have to come up with a new definition for respect.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/756790/m ... k-VnDd_8hA

Twitter, the place where reason and intelligence goes to die.

Its rich how Reed gets a six game suspension then hes insulted about 10 million a year Bye
I agree with those who say Clowney makes plays that dont show up in the stat sheet. hes one of the best rush ends in football vs the run and although he only had 3 sacks he created havoc in the backfield and also had defensive scores on both a fumble and a pick. This despite drawing a lot of doubles with nobody else on the line much of a threat.

Sign this guy.

[NorthHawk]

Sheldon Richardson is making $12.3 million, and I think Reed is a better fit for our DL than him, so I suspect he will
get offers of more than $10 million and I think we should pay more for him. We can't afford to lose any talent that
would degrade an already shaky DL. We have almost $70 million in Cap space with the ability for more, so it
boils down to value, and good DT's aren't cheap nor are they available very often.

[RiverDog]

Sheldon Richardson is making $12.3 million, and I think Reed is a better fit for our DL than him, so I suspect he will
get offers of more than $10 million and I think we should pay more for him. We can't afford to lose any talent that
would degrade an already shaky DL. We have almost $70 million in Cap space with the ability for more, so it
boils down to value, and good DT's aren't cheap nor are they available very often.

So what about the other positions, like RT? Weren't you advocating that we pay Ifedi market value as well? Or how about Kendricks? Pete's already said that they want him back. Plus we have other holes that need filling.

Just because we're currently in good shape on our cap doesn't mean that we will or should go out and spend money like a drunken sailor on a 3 day liberty. We're going to have to make some tough decisions, and IMO if Reed doesn't come in under $10M/year, he's gone.

[NorthHawk]

The Cap can be manipulated to our favor and with all the money available, we can keep our starters and add a FA or two.
But we can't afford to let our better players just leave for a couple of dollars that will be made back up the next year in
Cap increases. It doesn't even consider the expected increase that the gambling revenue will provide which is expected
to be much more than people think. Even if it isn't large at first, it's still an extra revenue stream that will expand.
We are approaching another Championship Window of Opportunity, so we can't hamstring ourselves by going cheap.

Keep Ifedi and Reed. We don't have anyone to replace them and the equivalents will cost even more.
People talk about sliding Fant into RT. He's not the run blocker that Ifedi is and he can't stay healthy. We will be
back to OL roulette if we let Ifedi go and don't replace him with a player of near equal ability. I don't think it's any
coincidence that Clowney had more impact when Reed returned. He's a player other teams have to consider when
drawing up game plans.

[trents]

I think teams will hesitate on Clowney because of his injury situation. It remains to be seen how well he heals in the off season.

[RiverDog]

I think teams will hesitate on Clowney because of his injury situation. It remains to be seen how well he heals in the off season.

Core muscle injury repairs aren't that big of a deal. Odell Beckham just had one and NicK Bosa had surgery for it a few years back. It's not like recovering from ACL surgery. It's a 4-6 week recovery period.

[c_hawkbob]

There are no real injury red flags with Clowney.

[Agent 86]

RW3 weighed in on free agency this week, I like what he had to say. John and Pete typically are not players in the first few days of free agency when crazy money gets offered, maybe they dive in this year?

https://heavy.com/sports/2020/01/seattle-seahawks-nfl-free-agency-rumors/

[Aseahawkfan]

If Clowney is the same price as Reed or within 2 to 3 million, I'd take Clowney over Reed.

[c_hawkbob]

I dislike misleading headlines. They try to make it look as though "superstars" is a direct quote from Russ, but reading the text he not only didn't use that specific term and was making no demands at all, just his usual generic complimentary optimism.

I think that between free agency and the draft we have a good chance of adding a few more difference makers as well as retaining Clowney (and hopefully Reed). Especially given our better than flush cap situation and better than usual draft position. Which is really all Russ was saying.

[RiverDog]

If Clowney is the same price as Reed or within 2 to 3 million, I'd take Clowney over Reed.

Not a chance. Reed will be lucky to get half the offer Clowney gets, whether it be from us or another team.

There's a lot of quality DT's that are currently unsigned, like Michael Brockers, Robert Quinn, and Jordan Phillips, all that would arguably be an upgrade over Reed. It will be interesting to see how many hit the open market.

[RiverDog]

I'm not sure how valid it is, but I came across a statistical comparison between Clowney and the highest paid DE's in the league and projects his market value. The format doesn't lend itself to a simple copy and paste, but the bottom line is that Clowney's projected market value is 6 years, $120M with an average salary of $20M.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-sea ... ket-value/

And that doesn't include the upward trend in salaries nor does it include our reluctance to sign long term contracts, both factors that will increase the annual average quoted in the analysis. I wouldn't be surprised, to the contrary, there's plenty of reason to believe that Clowney's contract will come in at over $22M/season.

[mykc14]

I'm not sure how valid it is, but I came across a statistical comparison between Clowney and the highest paid DE's in the league and projects his market value. The format doesn't lend itself to a simple copy and paste, but the bottom line is that Clowney's projected market value is 6 years, $120M with an average salary of $20M.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-sea ... ket-value/

And that doesn't include the upward trend in salaries nor does it include our reluctance to sign long term contracts, both factors that will increase the annual average quoted in the analysis. I wouldn't be surprised, to the contrary, there's plenty of reason to believe that Clowney's contract will come in at over $22M/season.

I love when Sportac puts these out... they do a pretty good job and their projections are definitely backed by evidence, but as mentioned it doesn’t include the upward trend in salaries so they are usually a little low. I would think he gets around 21 mil if he hits the open market. If we sign him for anything less I would say he was willing to give us a slight discount.