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by **c_hawkbob** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:01 am

I'll take a closer look at the all-22 but from just watching the game I don't agree that Fluker was worse than Ifedi.

by **idhawkman** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:10 pm

RiverDog wrote:Ifedi had a poor game, getting beat a couple times and getting tagged for a number of penalties. Next to Carson, he'd get my dunce cap award. Solari needs to think about sitting his arse.

I kind of stuck up for him last week but not this week. He had a bad game as you pointed out. Why are we not using Fant next to him to establish the run game early in games - that's my question. When we started using Fant last year is when we started really running and leading the league in rushing.

by **idhawkman** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:11 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:I'll take a closer look at the all-22 but from just watching the game I don't agree that Fluker was worse than Ifedi.

Fluke had some bad plays on Sunday but worse than Ifedi... I can't stretch that far.

by **idhawkman** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:29 pm

I'm a little surprised that no one has mentioned DK's contribution to the win. I thought he played a pretty good game.

I'm looking forward to getting Poona, Jarran and Ziggy back soon and looking forward to Devasting the Saints this weekend.

by **jshawaii22** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:06 pm

Now we played most of the Steelers without Ben. Cincy without AJ Green. We've been skating so far and now we get the Saints without Breez. Of course, I'll take the 3-0 if it happens.
I watched the replay and the coaches made the right changes at half-time. Yesterday, it was from a 5 step drop (and multiple sacks) to ta 3 step drop and quick passes to setup the longer ones. It sure worked. No sacks second half. Russell seemed to pick it up and play more tuned in, especially with Tyler and Dissey.

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:07 pm

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Fluke had some bad plays on Sunday but worse than Ifedi... I can't stretch that far.[/quote]

I believe Fluker gave up the first 3 sacks in the 1st half and some penalties during the game.
Why aren't people ragging on him?

by **obiken** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:19 pm

Right, Fluker just got buried. Both were bad.

by **obiken** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:20 pm

Aseahawkfan wrote:Russell getting sacked like potatoes this year once again. We are so lucky he is smart, takes care of himself, and tough as a rock.

Thats it in a nutshell, outside of Brady, no one has done more with less than RW.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:13 am

Fluker was bad in the first half . How a guy that big gets bull rushed repeatedly is a mystery. DK had a bad first half repeatedly failing to even look for the ball on back shoulder throws. However his juggling catch for a td and all was forgiven . He is a rook after all. 2-0 and teddy bridgewater coming to the clink. Overconfidence may be a factor but the team has a legit shot to get to 3-0 winning back to back games I’m sure Vegas had as losses. No style points , no apologies 2 and 0 baby and they haven’t yet put 4 quarters of A ball together

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:42 am

North;

After taking a closer look you're right, Fluker did have a worse game than Ifedi, basically due to those two (it was two) sacks early. He went out of the game in the first half for an ankle injury though (he did return in the second half) so I have to wonder if the ankle wasn't bothering him more than he let on. At least I have to hope so, he's a better lineman than he played Sunday for sure.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:34 am

c_hawkbob wrote:North;

After taking a closer look you're right, Fluker did have a worse game than Ifedi, basically due to those two (it was two) sacks early. He went out of the game in the first half for an ankle injury though (he did return in the second half) so I have to wonder if the ankle wasn't bothering him more than he let on. At least I have to hope so, he's a better lineman than he played Sunday for sure.

I thought that's what I saw, but with the lack of even average OL in the league, I'm concerned with this narrative by some that players along the line should be let go because they don't show well their
first year or two. That's why I objected to the quick assumption that Ifedi was the main culprit early in this game when it was obvious to me there were problems with Flukers performance.
Maybe I'm reading too much Twitter and the over the top comments and attitude there that is making me be more defensive about what I see relative to what others think is going on along the OL.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:11 am

NorthHawk wrote:I thought that's what I saw, but with the lack of even average OL in the league, I'm concerned with this narrative by some that players along the line should be let go because they don't show well their first year or two. That's why I objected to the quick assumption that Ifedi was the main culprit early in this game when it was obvious to me there were problems with Flukers performance.
Maybe I'm reading too much Twitter and the over the top comments and attitude there that is making me be more defensive about what I see relative to what others think is going on along the OL.

Ifedi is starting his 4th season with us. That's a little more than "a year or two." He's had a chronic problem with penalties ever since he's lined up for us, and has 3 accepted and 4 total already this season. That has to be paper clipped to any discussion regarding his ability.

His run blocking seems average to above average, but his pass blocking is very suspect. Although I agree that he's probably not as bad as others have made him out to be, its a position we can definitely upgrade, indeed, we may already have a player or two (Jones, Fant) on the roster that might be a better option than that penalty machine.

But I will say that pass blocking for a quarterback like Russell Wilson is an offensive linemen's worst nightmare. You have to hold your blocks longer and you never know where that little chit is going to be, so I do have some degree of sympathy for Ifedi and the others along the OL.

by **NorthHawk** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:10 am

Ifedi is starting his 4th season with us. That's a little more than "a year or two." He's had a chronic problem with penalties ever since he's lined up for us, and has 3 accepted and 4 total already this season. That has to be paper clipped to any discussion regarding his ability.

The bashing of Ifedi started his first year and has continued by some and in the twitterverse which often seeps into proper forums.
The only reason I can think of for it to continue is people don't want to be proven wrong just like those who kept on about Wilson's
height until he became one of the best QB's. And with OL, we have to have much more patience.
Besides, if Fant or others were better they would be starting, and if there were better RT's out there that are available, we would
be looking at them. The fact is, Offensive Line play is generally pretty bad these days. Gone is the time when a team could draft
a player in the mid to late rounds and expect him to challenge to start right away. Teams now have to draft those that have the
physical talents they are looking for and have a lot of patience as they develop.
Considering Ifedi came from a Spread Offense, and didn't even play a lot with his hand in the dirt, he's come a long way.
Sure he makes mistakes and many of them of the mental variety, but look across the league and you will find it's happening
to most teams because there aren't enough quality OL out there.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:11 pm

NorthHawk wrote:Besides, if Fant or others were better they would be starting, and if there were better RT's out there that are available, we would be looking at them.

We'll see. I'd like to see them put Jones or Fant in there if nothing else to send a signal to Ifedi to clean up his penalties.

NorthHawk wrote:Ifedi came from a Spread Offense, and didn't even play a lot with his hand in the dirt, he's come a long way.
Sure he makes mistakes and many of them of the mental variety, but look across the league and you will find it's happening
to most teams because there aren't enough quality OL out there.

That excuse is wearing pretty thin. This is his 4th season. Without going back and counting, he's probably played as many games at the pro level as he did in college.

by **NorthHawk** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:46 pm

His coming from a spread Offense is germane to the discussion of his first couple of years which set up
the narrative of him being a disaster today. As well, he didn’t fit Cables system and does much better
under Solari and the power scheme.

On another note, I read a headline stating holding penalties are up a lot this year across the league.
Apparently the referees are calling it a little differently now.

by **c_hawkbob** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:52 pm

NorthHawk wrote:Besides, if Fant or others were better they would be starting, and if there were better RT's out there that are available, we would be looking at them.

RiverDog wrote:We'll see. I'd like to see them put Jones or Fant in there if nothing else to send a signal to Ifedi to clean up his penalties.

NorthHawk wrote:Ifedi came from a Spread Offense, and didn't even play a lot with his hand in the dirt, he's come a long way.
Sure he makes mistakes and many of them of the mental variety, but look across the league and you will find it's happening
to most teams because there aren't enough quality OL out there.

RiverDog wrote:That excuse is wearing pretty thin. This is his 4th season. Without going back and counting, he's probably played as many games at the pro level as he did in college.

This argument is likely to be settled by whether or not we retain him beyond his first contract. I believe they have enough invested in him, and see enough potential yet to keep him around through that first contract but I seriously doubt we'll exercise his option for a 5th year and think he stands at least an even chance of not being with the team after 4.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:55 pm

NorthHawk wrote:On another note, I read a headline stating holding penalties are up a lot this year across the league. Apparently the referees are calling it a little differently now.

It's not the holding penalties that I'm concerned about. The one holding penalty he's been flagged for this season, vs. Cincy, was IMO chicken $hit.

Historically Ifedi has been flagged for false start way more than holding, including two last Sunday against Pittsburgh. Without doing my homework, he's probably drawn more false starts over the past 3 seasons than any other player in the league. He seemed to have clean them up some as he drew just 6 false starts last Sunday, but he was back to his old habits Sunday.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:00 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:This argument (Ifedi) is likely to be settled by whether or not we retain him beyond his first contract. I believe they have enough invested in him, and see enough potential yet to keep him around through that first contract but I seriously doubt we'll exercise his option for a 5th year and think he stands at least an even chance of not being with the team after 4.

Agreed. IMO one of the reasons we drafted Jones last season was that we might not want to sign Ifedi to a big 2nd contract that all starting tackles seem to get.

by **NorthHawk** » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:33 pm

The median RT salary is around $5million, and that’s not a lot. I can see him getting
$6 or $7 million. That would put him in the top 10, but well below the highest paid
Right Tackles that are at the $10m to $16m range. The $6m range is what starting
Right Tackles who aren’t on their first contract get who aren’t Pro Bowlers.

Regarding not having extended him for a 5th year, it might have had some Cap implications
as we were tight on space this year, but have a lot of room next year.

by **obiken** » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:09 pm

I had this penciled in as a loss, but without Breese we win this one.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:52 am

obiken wrote:I had this penciled in as a loss, but without Breese we win this one.

Not sure why you would pencil a loss at home against any team. We always have a shot at home.

by **Uppercut** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:40 am

If it rains the game will be heavy on penalties and sloppy play by both. Russ does not play that well in the rain.

Nail-biter

Hawks 23, NO 21

by **RiverDog** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:26 am

obiken wrote:I had this penciled in as a loss, but without Breese we win this one.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Not sure why you would pencil a loss at home against any team. We always have a shot at home.

"Penciled in" suggests a maybe or uncertainty vs. carved in stone finality. That doesn't mean he thought that we didn't have at least a shot. And for the record, I had our chances as a virtual coin toss until Brees went down. Now I've upped my confidence points.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:05 pm

RiverDog wrote:"Penciled in" suggests a maybe or uncertainty vs. carved in stone finality. That doesn't mean he thought that we didn't have at least a shot. And for the record, I had our chances as a virtual coin toss until Brees went down. Now I've upped my confidence points.

Penciled in usually means a loss nearly guaranteed. Not a maybe.

A coin toss is a maybe.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:15 pm

Aseahawkfan wrote:Penciled in usually means a loss nearly guaranteed. Not a maybe.

A coin toss is a maybe.

From RiverDog's urban dictionary:

Penciled in means you reserve the right to change something, and hence, uncertainty. It does not by any stretch of the imagination mean "nearly guaranteed."

"Slam dunk" is a phrase that would suggest an almost certain outcome, or nearly guaranteed. A coin toss is very specific. It implies a 50/50 chance. "Maybe" is somewhat less than 50%.

Semantics aside, I did not get the impression that Obi was being overly pessimistic when he said that he had our contest against the Saints "penciled in" as a loss. I was right there with him in his assessment.

by **obiken** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:53 pm

I thought with Brees in they were a shoo-in. They maybe now anyway, our line sucks, we cant pick up a yard with 2 tries, WTH!!!

by **NorthHawk** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:13 pm

obiken wrote:I thought with Brees in they were a shoo-in. They maybe now anyway, our line sucks, we cant pick up a yard with 2 tries, WTH!!!

Same old story. The Offense sucks.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:17 pm

NorthHawk wrote:Same old story. The Offense sucks.

Yup. What are we going to do about Carson and his fumbles?

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:09 pm

Wow. We got smoked. Another one of those games where you feel like Pete and everyone got overconfident because no Brees and the other team came ready to tear us up.

by **obiken** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:13 pm

Brees would have carved us up like a Thanksgiving Turkey. Now River understands why I PENCILED this in as a loss! No worries, big boy football starts next week. We lose to the Cardinals and our season is over.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:17 pm

obiken wrote:Brees would have carved us up like a Thanksgiving Turkey. Now River understands why I PENCILED this in as a loss! No worries, big boy football starts next week. We lose to the Cardinals and our season is over.

I have to give you your due. You called this one. We got smoked. You saw that one coming.

by **NorthHawk** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:20 pm

We can’t just play ok on Offense for the 4th quarter.
It works when you have the best Defense in the league but gets you
an ass kicking when you have only a good Defense.

by **NorthHawk** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:30 pm

[quote][Yup. What are we going to do about Carson and his fumbles?/quote]

He can’t keep on fumbling the ball in a limited scope Offense. As well, Pete
preaches no turnovers so he may be in the doghouse. I think he has to sit
out if he continues this course and long term draft another RB who is a power
back.

by **trents** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:38 pm

NorthHawk wrote:We can’t just play ok on Offense for the 4th quarter.
It works when you have the best Defense in the league but gets you
an ass kicking when you have only a good Defense.

Seahawks habitually get off to slow starts in their games. They need to play with more urgency and do it out of the gate and do it for four quarters. I don't know why we see this pattern or who or what is responsible for it. To me it was obvious the Saints played with more energy than the Hawks did today until the fourth quarter when it was too late. Missed tackles, missed tackles, missed tackles. No push on the offensive line. Poor effort, no energy.

by **mykc14** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:42 pm

2 TD’s due to special teams issues- fumble returned for a TD leads to a very frustrating loss. RW accounts for 4 total TDS and almost 500 yards but the two we are going to remember is the 4th down throw he missed to Lockett and the other one- terrible throw/audible on that 4th and one... can’t give away games in this league and we did today.

by **obiken** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:42 pm

I have to give you your due. You called this one. We got smoked. You saw that one coming.

Thanks man, that means more than you will ever know. We beat the Cards 2X ASHF, then the the Browns, that gives us 5 wins we are back in the hunt. We lose next week we are in deep doo doo.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:50 pm

obiken wrote:Thanks man, that means more than you will ever know. We beat the Cards 2X ASHF, then the the Browns, that gives us 5 wins we are back in the hunt. We lose next week we are in deep doo doo.

I have to be honest with you. We're not that great on either side of the ball right now. Defense has fallen off immensely. I don't think Pete can run an offensively driven team in the NFL nearly as well as he can run a defense/run-driven team. He doesn't have the horses, team structure, or mind for high flying, high scoring, pass driven offense. That's what you need if your defense can't keep the score low. I hope he can get this defense back to form at some point.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:12 pm

This was a tough game to watch. None of our units played well enough to win.

Obi, the season isn't over if we lose to the Cards. If we can hold on and sneak out of the first half of the season with a 5-3 record, I'll be happy. We'll get Reed back in Week 7 and if Collier and Ziggy can get healthy, this could be a lot different looking team come November.

by **Uppercut** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:28 pm

Hawks do not have an ADB to fire em all up and hold em accountable on the sideline.

Millionaires playing at a minimum wage level

by **Anthony** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:45 pm

mykc14 wrote:2 TD’s due to special teams issues- fumble returned for a TD leads to a very frustrating loss. RW accounts for 4 total TDS and almost 500 yards but the two we are going to remember is the 4th down throw he missed to Lockett and the other one- terrible throw/audible on that 4th and one... can’t give away games in this league and we did today.

Not what I will remember because this is loss is not him. He should never have been in the position for them to matter.

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