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by **govandals** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:05 am

No way would they trade Penny given Carson's injury history. If Carson goes down, they would roll with McKissic, Homer, Prosise? I would hope not. Puts them in the same situation at the RB position as they are at DE right now.
With Penny having 3 more years plus option year of affordable club control and Clowney basically being a 1 year rental, that makes even less sense.
I suppose PCJS could have a plan to acquire another RB. Mike Davis anyone??

Well, Marshawn was at camp a few weeks ago. Maybe there is a wink, wink, handshake deal if Carson goes down...

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:35 am

govandals wrote:No way would they trade Penny given Carson's injury history. If Carson goes down, they would roll with McKissic, Homer, Prosise? I would hope not. Puts them in the same situation at the RB position as they are at DE right now.
With Penny having 3 more years plus option year of affordable club control and Clowney basically being a 1 year rental, that makes even less sense.
I suppose PCJS could have a plan to acquire another RB. Mike Davis anyone??

Well, Marshawn was at camp a few weeks ago. Maybe there is a wink, wink, handshake deal if Carson goes down...

If Clowney was still under contract and not a FA, then perhaps Penny might make sense, but there's too much risk of losing both
Penny and Clowney if it didn't work out. Considering Pittsburgh only got a 3rd and 5th for Antonio Brown and he was under
contract, I don't see a 1st and maybe not a 2nd for Clowney, but with us having 2 2nd round picks, that might be tempting.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:36 am

I'd do Penny and a 4th or 5th for Clowney in a heartbeat!

And I don't know why no why everyone insists on calling him a one year rental; new contracts to the trade destination are fairly standard.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:48 am

govandals wrote:No way would they trade Penny given Carson's injury history. If Carson goes down, they would roll with McKissic, Homer, Prosise? I would hope not. Puts them in the same situation at the RB position as they are at DE right now.
With Penny having 3 more years plus option year of affordable club control and Clowney basically being a 1 year rental, that makes even less sense.
I suppose PCJS could have a plan to acquire another RB. Mike Davis anyone??

Well, Marshawn was at camp a few weeks ago. Maybe there is a wink, wink, handshake deal if Carson goes down...

We have a known need at DE/edge rusher. You're fretting over some insurance at running back.

Besides, except for Prosise, who's injury history disqualifies him, I'd be more than happy to roll with the other 2 as backups to Carson if the option is leaving a huge hole on the DL.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:50 am

c_hawkbob wrote:I'd do Penny and a 4th or 5th for Clowney in a heartbeat!

And I don't know why no why everyone insists on calling him a one year rental; new contracts to the trade destination are fairly standard.

Yep, I would, too.

The reason everyone is calling him a one year rental is that's the worst case scenario. Expect/plan for the worst result and hope for the best.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:47 am

Clowney can't be signed until next year when he again becomes a UFA (and can be tagged for the 2nd year), so unless the team that trades for
him is willing to spend at least this years tag number and next years tag number + 20% (I think that's the formula for 2 consecutive tags) or sign
him to a contract that will surely be equal to that $ figure, is willing to gamble losing a promising player and a draft pick, I don't see it happening.
It just seems like too much risk for possibly 1 year.

But what do I know...

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:23 am

NorthHawk wrote:Clowney can't be signed until next year when he again becomes a UFA

I don't think that's accurate. I think we can extend him the minute he's a Seahawk. We'd just have to agree to terms ahead of time.

Why would we have to wait?

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:41 am

From what I've read it has to do with the Free Agent rules in the CBA.
I've read it numerous times on different sites so I take it as the truth.
I think it has to do with him not signing before a certain date.

by **govandals** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:11 pm

From what I've read, NorthHawk is correct. Clowney cannot be extended this season. He will hit FA unless tagged again.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:08 pm

Now that I'm home I did a bit of research and it looks like it's accurate after all, apologies North.

However; it appears that ecxeptions can be made according to this quote from an Eagles site:

(Of note on the cap/Clowney's contract: Clowney can't be signed to a new contract this season, thanks to a July deadline for signing franchise players in the NFL CBA.)

But exceptions could be made on both sides if the fit is right, and Clowney could be a special case

by **jshawaii22** » Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:16 pm

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... or-eagles/

Evidently - HE's interested in us... -- but everyone now is right that it's a one-year rental on the Franchise Tag and if we don't resign him after this season, I don't think we get any compensation, either from the "TAG" -- Explain to me again why we traded Frank Clark?

By the way, Ziggy is practicing this week in anticipation of starting the season on the field. Not sure about our #1 pick.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:31 am

According to PFT, Clowney intended to report this week until the Texans tried to trade him.
They only allowed Miami to talk directly to him, so it seems they are the ones the Texans
want to trade with, but Clowney doesn't seem to want to go there so he remains unsigned.
That might force their hand to trade him to either Philadelphia or Seattle if they want to
move on from him.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... trade-him/

by **obiken** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:32 pm

by **obiken** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:32 pm

ESPN is pushing that Seattle is in the mix, I think its stupid. IF you can get him for a 1st or 2nd rounder fine, but no way we trade someone valuable for him. Too many injuries.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:00 pm

NorthHawk wrote:According to PFT, Clowney intended to report this week until the Texans tried to trade him.
They only allowed Miami to talk directly to him, so it seems they are the ones the Texans
want to trade with, but Clowney doesn't seem to want to go there so he remains unsigned.
That might force their hand to trade him to either Philadelphia or Seattle if they want to
move on from him.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... trade-him/

That's why I was arguing with you about the Redskins. Clowney, like most players, would rather play for a team that has a legitimate shot at going to the Super Bowl. The Dolphins are not regarded as SB contenders.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:48 pm

You might be right.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the Pats took a run at him, too. They just signed a player that can play both Tackle
and Guard and the Texans want a player who can contribute this year which puts us a little behind in being
able to complete a trade for him using just draft capital. We also know they need OL, WR, and RB help, so who on
our roster might fit in a trade?

by **RiverDog** » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:36 am

NorthHawk wrote:You might be right.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the Pats took a run at him, too. They just signed a player that can play both Tackle
and Guard and the Texans want a player who can contribute this year which puts us a little behind in being
able to complete a trade for him using just draft capital. We also know they need OL, WR, and RB help, so who on
our roster might fit in a trade?

I've heard the Pats being discussed as a possible landing spot for Clowney, too.

The only RB that I think they might be interested in would be Penny. Any of our WR's not named Lockett, Brown, or Metcalf could be dangled. We also have enough draft choices that we could serve up 2 or even 3 of them, although I doubt that we offer a #1 or #2.

by **Feez** » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:17 am

RiverDog wrote:I can't figure out how to post the link, but I saw a tweet about the Texans preparing to trade Clowney to either the Bills or Seahawks. It was from a source called profootballchase. Not sure how credible it is, but here's a copy and paste:

UPDATE: The Seattle Seahawks and Buffalo Bills have expressed interest in trading for Texans OLB Jadeveon Clowney, per Tony Pauline of Pro Football Network.

The Miami Dolphins have consistently been mentioned as a possible landing spot for Clowney, but it appears two other suitors have emerged.

Pauline hears that Seattle and Buffalo have recently inquired about trading for Clowney.

Pauline mentions Seahawks RB Rashaad Penny and Bills RB LeSean McCoy as players that would likely be included in a trade for Clowney, considering Houston’s need for a running back after Lamar Miller’s injury.

The trade rumors seem to be heating up. They're making it sound like there's little chance that Clowney will play for the Texans again and that he'll be traded before the start of the regular season.

IF the Hawks Trade Penny for a one year rental of Clowney I will be upset. that is a move bad teams make, you don't give up on a 1st round guy after one season. I think Procise and a pick could get it done. maybe Ifedi and a pick or Ifedi and Procise. I have heard they want a RB and or OL in trade. I would hate to see them take a piece away from our O Line when I feel like this year they could be pretty dominant. I want to see them with Fant out there as a blocking TE , that could be very hard to stop.

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:23 am

Ifedi is just hitting his stride and we would have to endure another 2 or 3 years of RT development if we let him go.
That would be taking a strength(OL) and making it a weakness and that's not a good thing to do.

There is a comment in PFT that considers the possibility of the Texans removing the tag. That would make Clowney
a FA, but they also talk about maybe the Texans getting desperate to unload him so maybe a 2nd round pick might
do the deal.

We'll see how it all works out.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... se-tender/

In the mean time, the cuts are beginning and we should be able to find a serviceable Pass Rusher among them.

by **RiverDog** » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:19 am

NorthHawk wrote:Ifedi is just hitting his stride and we would have to endure another 2 or 3 years of RT development if we let him go. That would be taking a strength(OL) and making it a weakness and that's not a good thing to do.

We still have Fant and/or Jamarco Jones that can step in. It would relieve us of a decision we'd otherwise have to make on Ifedi next spring, whether or not to pick up his 5th year option. I'd be good with an Ifedi and a Day 3 draft pick.

NorthHawk wrote:There is a comment in PFT that considers the possibility of the Texans removing the tag. That would make Clowney a FA, but they also talk about maybe the Texans getting desperate to unload him so maybe a 2nd round pick might
do the deal.

We'll see how it all works out.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... se-tender/

In the mean time, the cuts are beginning and we should be able to find a serviceable Pass Rusher among them.

It would be incredibly stupid for the Texans to rescind the tag when they could get a decent player and/or a draft pick out of Clowney. I can't see them going that route.

by **RiverDog** » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:33 am

Feez wrote:IF the Hawks Trade Penny for a one year rental of Clowney I will be upset. that is a move bad teams make, you don't give up on a 1st round guy after one season. I think Procise and a pick could get it done. maybe Ifedi and a pick or Ifedi and Procise. I have heard they want a RB and or OL in trade. I would hate to see them take a piece away from our O Line when I feel like this year they could be pretty dominant. I want to see them with Fant out there as a blocking TE , that could be very hard to stop.

IMO it's not giving up on Penny so much as it is cutting our losses on a bad draft day decision. I'm not sure who said it, whether it was here or in the other forum I frequent, but running back is one of those positions that you don't teach. It's not a skill that's developed like a WR or a QB. You're either naturally gifted with the required tools, ie vision, elusiveness, et al, or you're not.

In other words, we've pretty much seen what we're going to see from Penny. He's never going to be the 25 touches a game workhorse, run through arm tackles, 1st/2nd down running back that our offense demands and that we already have in Chris Carson.

At the moment, we're pretty deep at OT. That's a nice position to be in, but if we have a chance to shore up a glaring weakness on the other side of the ball, I'm all for pulling the trigger on a trade.

by **Feez** » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:15 pm

RiverDog wrote:I can't figure out how to post the link, but I saw a tweet about the Texans preparing to trade Clowney to either the Bills or Seahawks. It was from a source called profootballchase. Not sure how credible it is, but here's a copy and paste:

UPDATE: The Seattle Seahawks and Buffalo Bills have expressed interest in trading for Texans OLB Jadeveon Clowney, per Tony Pauline of Pro Football Network.

The Miami Dolphins have consistently been mentioned as a possible landing spot for Clowney, but it appears two other suitors have emerged.

Pauline hears that Seattle and Buffalo have recently inquired about trading for Clowney.

Pauline mentions Seahawks RB Rashaad Penny and Bills RB LeSean McCoy as players that would likely be included in a trade for Clowney, considering Houston’s need for a running back after Lamar Miller’s injury.

The trade rumors seem to be heating up. They're making it sound like there's little chance that Clowney will play for the Texans again and that he'll be traded before the start of the regular season.

I hope the Penny on the Trade block isn't true. bad teams give up on 1st round picks after one season. especially since this would be a one year rental basically. I think the reason Procisse was showcased as much as he was , was to shop him and a pick or him and another player out to the Texans. I am all for adding Clowney to get some pass rush but not at the expense it would come trading Penny then having to sign Carson (after this season) and hope he can stay healthy an entire season

by **Stream Hawk** » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:58 pm

There’s some murmurs on Twitter. Here Duane Brown’s latest:

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:39 am

Cryptic much?
It could mean anything.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:11 am

Brown's more than likely expressing some wishful thinking rather than tipping us off on an impending trade.

According to this article, the team that makes the most sense for Houston to deal with is the Seahawks:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ja ... ar-AAFQDQ7

by **Agent 86** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:50 am

Updated about 20 minutes ago on NFL.com.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001045863/article/hawks-deep-in-talks-with-texans-to-acquire-clowney

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:02 am

Agent 86 wrote:Updated about 20 minutes ago on NFL.com.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001045863/article/hawks-deep-in-talks-with-texans-to-acquire-clowney

That's an interesting development. I guess we are the 2nd choice for the Texans and maybe we can get him for a reasonable cost.

by **Stream Hawk** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:24 am

It’s looking real
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2019/8/31/20 ... ans-agreed

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:33 am

Scoopage: SEA & HOU have agreed to trade parameters re: Jadeveon Clowney contingent upon Clowney & other players involved passing physicals.

So it looks like we are trading players for Clowney.
I wonder who they might be?

by **Agent 86** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:41 am

Reading a 3rd rounder and 2 players. Not sure who the players are.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:54 am

Agent 86 wrote:Reading a 3rd rounder and 2 players. Not sure who the players are.

I suspect 1 is a RB as they need that, but it sounds like multiple players. Maybe one of the OL?

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:03 am

Jacob Martin, Mingo, and a 3rd round pick.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:28 am

NorthHawk wrote:Jacob Martin, Mingo, and a 3rd round pick.

Neither of those guys were expected to contribute. Mingo was probably going to get cut anyway, so it's essentially a 3rd rounder, and considering the fact that we have an excess of draft picks, this is a HUGE deal for us even if it's just a one year rental.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 177942001/

by **mykc14** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:36 am

Great deal!!

by **jshawaii22** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:39 am

seems about right for a one year rental. Jacob has more potential but we keep our Oline, Penny and i approve. On paper JS did a good trade.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:44 am

Even Obi can't be too dismissive of this trade.

There's really very little downside.

And word I'm hearing is that Clowney really wants to play for us, so who knows, maybe it won't be just a one year rental.

by **jshawaii22** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:48 am

2 of the top 5 players on #Seahawks roster (Jadeveon Clowney, Duane Brown) pilfered from Texans for:

OG Martinas Rankin
CB Lonnie Johnson
LB Barkevious Mingo
LB Jacob Martin
Third-round pick

We shou;d trade with the Texans more often

by **Feez** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:14 am

Schneider just committed a robbery !! Trade 2 guys you were going to trade and a 3rd for Clowney and if it doesnt work out you get a comp pick back? GM of the year between this and the Clark trade. The Texans dont seem to value certain players. I remember hearing nothing but negatives about Brown before he was a Hawk. Safe to say that worked out well

by **obiken** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:37 am

RiverDog wrote:Even Obi can't be too dismissive of this trade. There's really very little downside.

And word I'm hearing is that Clowney really wants to play for us, so who knows, maybe it won't be just a one year rental.

No this was a steal!

by **RiverDog** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:56 am

Feez wrote:Schneider just committed a robbery !! Trade 2 guys you were going to trade and a 3rd for Clowney and if it doesnt work out you get a comp pick back? GM of the year between this and the Clark trade. The Texans dont seem to value certain players. I remember hearing nothing but negatives about Brown before he was a Hawk. Safe to say that worked out well

It's questionable whether or not that we'd get a comp pick if we lose Clowney in free agency.

But yes, regardless of how this deal works out, JS has done a heckuva job this offseason, between the Clark trade, the results of the draft, the resigning of Russell and Bobby, and now the deal with Clowney. And it's not over yet.

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