'The Chant'

[idhawkman]

The "backtrack" was from his on one day saying that he disagreed with them and that the chant made him feel badly then the next day calling those that were chanting "incredible people, incredible patriots". Having his cake and eating it, too.

That's not how you distance yourself from a subject.

Wow, that's quite a standard you set Riv. You can't be an incredible patriot or an incredible person if you've ever said one thing wrong. Good luck convincing people of that.

Of course, as an individual, one can say something wrong and be excused for it under certain circumstances (like an apology).

But the chant didn't highlight any individual. It was a collective effort, so you can't say that they "said one thing wrong".
The group only said "one thing". You're suggesting that the group "said" multiple things and just happened to get one of them wrong.

You have condemned all of them though for that one chant. I have no idea if you believe in the old testament or not but God spared Sodom for the sake of just 10 good soles when Abraham negotiated with him. I would think that there were at least 10 incredible patriots and incredible citizens in that crowd of thousands.... Just sayin.

Trump initially distanced himself from the chant (a day late and dollar short IMO but better than nothing), then the next day when the subject was being discussed, flip flopped by describing the chanters as "incredible patriots", with the obvious implication being that what they were chanting was "patriotic" as there was no other activity, before or after, that the chanters were engaged in.

That's your inference from the skewed TDS view you support. From Trump's standpoint, they are supporting his actions of rebuilding the Military, creating the best economy in a couple of generations, correcting the liberal courts, etc. I could go on but you already are objecting in your mind I'm sure.

You can't have it both ways. You can't on the one hand, say that you disagreed with the chant and on the other hand, say that the chant was "patriotic".

The only one wanting it both ways is you. But again, you ONLY see the worst possible intent or scenario when it comes to this president which is regretful. Oh and just FYI - he didn't call the chant patriotic, he said the people were patriotic and incredible and that the chant was not right. See the difference?

[idhawkman]

I'm starting to wonder of Trump will be like L. Ron Hubbard someday where he finally comes clean that he can't believe all these people voted for him after all the crazy crap he has spouted, all his reversals, and just the generally crazy way he went about campaigning.

That's exactly what I've always though, ASF. Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Wow, talk about being 3 years late, he's already said this much back when he was still campaigning. Remember him commenting on how the Times reported that "even if he was to shoot someone on 5th avenue his supporters would still support him"? He said that in disbelief but alas, it is true.

[Aseahawkfan]

The one good trait Trump has consistently embraced and I hope continues to embrace is he doesn't like war or mass murdering people. I hope he never breaches that while in office. I know some left wing press make it seem like Trump pulling back was just a game, but from what I know of him he's been consistently anti-war. I'm glad he continues to look for other solutions to going to war even when he's being pushed by Iran.

[idhawkman]

The one good trait Trump has consistently embraced and I hope continues to embrace is he doesn't like war or mass murdering people. I hope he never breaches that while in office. I know some left wing press make it seem like Trump pulling back was just a game, but from what I know of him he's been consistently anti-war. I'm glad he continues to look for other solutions to going to war even when he's being pushed by Iran.

Honest and sincere question Asea. Are you following the Strait of Hormuz issues at this time? That whole scenario is bringing in multiple issues that Trump has been hammering his entire term so far. E.g. NATO nations not paying their fair share of their bills. The Brits only have 6 frigits and 6 battleships and can not afford to send them to the straight to protect their national commerce interests. The germans only have 5 submarines and none are sea worthy. The Japanese don't have a Navy at all and the South Korean's don't have a Navy to protect their trade routes either. They've all relied on the US to protect them world wide but now that we are energy independent, we don't need to protect the straight other than our own commerce ships. I know River doesn't like that Trump bypasses briefings and white papers but look at what his instincts has brought to a head. I heard yesterday that Trump is allowing the economic issues run their course on Iran which now has 75% inflation and are in real economic collapse. He could turn the screws more on them with more economic sanctions but that would just accelerate the collapse - Maybe he's hoping they'll come to their senses before full systemic collapse of the Iranian nation.

All of that without firing a single shot.

[Aseahawkfan]

Honest and sincere question Asea. Are you following the Strait of Hormuz issues at this time? That whole scenario is bringing in multiple issues that Trump has been hammering his entire term so far. E.g. NATO nations not paying their fair share of their bills. The Brits only have 6 frigits and 6 battleships and can not afford to send them to the straight to protect their national commerce interests. The germans only have 5 submarines and none are sea worthy. The Japanese don't have a Navy at all and the South Korean's don't have a Navy to protect their trade routes either. They've all relied on the US to protect them world wide but now that we are energy independent, we don't need to protect the straight other than our own commerce ships. I know River doesn't like that Trump bypasses briefings and white papers but look at what his instincts has brought to a head. I heard yesterday that Trump is allowing the economic issues run their course on Iran which now has 75% inflation and are in real economic collapse. He could turn the screws more on them with more economic sanctions but that would just accelerate the collapse - Maybe he's hoping they'll come to their senses before full systemic collapse of the Iranian nation.

All of that without firing a single shot.

No, not much following them. Iran is another Middle Eastern saber rattler nation of no real threat to us. Talk big, can do nothing. We would annihilate them quickly if we went to war, though the cost of holding Iran would be higher than most places given their size.

Iran is the last big holdout in United States dominance in the Middle East. I can see why they want to bring them to heel. I believe part of the reason for Afghanistan and Iraq was to squeeze Iran by controlling the nations around them. This long-term strategy is slowly paying off. I hope we continue using non-warlike means to bring them to heel. I think if we can bring a more friendly government to power in Iran, we won't have to deal as much with the scumbag Saudi Arabians. They may not make it seem so, but Iran is more progressive and less violent than Saudi Arabia. The version of Islam they practice is more open to modern society. Long-term Iran would make a better friend than Saudi Arabia as they currently are.

We've known for years that we defend world commerce. If you want to run the world it's best to be the dominant player in military-backed security and money. None of this is by accident. We do this by design and will continue to as long as we view our place in the world as leading the free world.

Energy independence is a nice idea, but in reality this is a long-term plan I believe. We want to see the world drained of oil while we maintain sizeable reserves to maintain power when the rest of the world is without. It was a cost effective plan to maintain energy dominance to use foreign oil while keeping huge reserves. We will be in a great position once the Middle East and other foreign nations heavily reliant on oil are drained, while we still have an ample supply and are using alternative energy sources anyway.

[idhawkman]

No, not much following them. Iran is another Middle Eastern saber rattler nation of no real threat to us. Talk big, can do nothing. We would annihilate them quickly if we went to war, though the cost of holding Iran would be higher than most places given their size.

Iran is the last big holdout in United States dominance in the Middle East. I can see why they want to bring them to heel. I believe part of the reason for Afghanistan and Iraq was to squeeze Iran by controlling the nations around them. This long-term strategy is slowly paying off. I hope we continue using non-warlike means to bring them to heel. I think if we can bring a more friendly government to power in Iran, we won't have to deal as much with the scumbag Saudi Arabians. They may not make it seem so, but Iran is more progressive and less violent than Saudi Arabia. The version of Islam they practice is more open to modern society. Long-term Iran would make a better friend than Saudi Arabia as they currently are.

We've known for years that we defend world commerce. If you want to run the world it's best to be the dominant player in military-backed security and money. None of this is by accident. We do this by design and will continue to as long as we view our place in the world as leading the free world.

Energy independence is a nice idea, but in reality this is a long-term plan I believe. We want to see the world drained of oil while we maintain sizeable reserves to maintain power when the rest of the world is without. It was a cost effective plan to maintain energy dominance to use foreign oil while keeping huge reserves. We will be in a great position once the Middle East and other foreign nations heavily reliant on oil are drained, while we still have an ample supply and are using alternative energy sources anyway.

All economic measures and no military is bringing Iran to heel. Iran is out of money as shown by their 75% inflation by printing worthless money. They've even withdrawn their Hezbollah operatives from Palestine because they can't pay them anymore. Iran is gasping its last gasps and they are trying to draw the EU nations and Asian nations into the fray by taking control of their tankers in the Straights of Hormuz. It won't work because of the oil reserves we have in addition to the shell oil fields that have been opened up and pipelines that Trump has approved. It is said that we have multiple times the reserves of all of the middle east in our oil fields. We won't need oil from anywhere else in the world and they can't really influence our economy by cutting supply. What they can do is influence those other countries that get their supply from them, e.g. Japan, UK, S. Korea, Australia, etc.

[Aseahawkfan]

All economic measures and no military is bringing Iran to heel. Iran is out of money as shown by their 75% inflation by printing worthless money. They've even withdrawn their Hezbollah operatives from Palestine because they can't pay them anymore. Iran is gasping its last gasps and they are trying to draw the EU nations and Asian nations into the fray by taking control of their tankers in the Straights of Hormuz. It won't work because of the oil reserves we have in addition to the shell oil fields that have been opened up and pipelines that Trump has approved. It is said that we have multiple times the reserves of all of the middle east in our oil fields. We won't need oil from anywhere else in the world and they can't really influence our economy by cutting supply. What they can do is influence those other countries that get their supply from them, e.g. Japan, UK, S. Korea, Australia, etc.

They can influence our economy by boosting the price of oil or if they move oil off dollars. We don't want that. Saudi Arabia helps us control the world oil supply. That's important for reasons other than energy independence or we would care about the Middle East about as much as we care about Africa.

[idhawkman]

They can influence our economy by boosting the price of oil or if they move oil off dollars. We don't want that. Saudi Arabia helps us control the world oil supply. That's important for reasons other than energy independence or we would care about the Middle East about as much as we care about Africa.

We still control Saudi's oil production through military hardware sales. Once Iran is no longer a threat to the Saudi's we won't have that leverage anymore...