So how are we feeling about Kapernick?

[Hawk Sista]

IMHO, it speaks to the lack of talent w/ Geno & Paxton as much as anything. I guess we shall see.

[burrrton]

I missed the news you're referring to (and don't see anything on espn.com).

[Hawk Sista]

Apparently it was a fake post from some nerd. A friend sent a text and I didn’t check it out. Sorry

[burrrton]

Apparently it was a fake post from some nerd. A friend sent a text and I didn’t check it out. Sorry

Ah- hehe. No problemo!

[NineR]

He is gone from the NFL

Has a new gig the CEO of Nike

[burrrton]

He is gone from the NFL

Has a new gig the CEO of Nike

Heh- yup. Stupidest 'objection' I've seen in a long while.

[RiverDog]

He is gone from the NFL

Has a new gig the CEO of Nike

Heh- yup. Stupidest 'objection' I've seen in a long while.

Can't argue with that.

[RiverDog]

I got a kick out of this story:

The team (Class AA Tennessee Smokies) tweeted on Wednesday an image of its baseball diamond with the “Betsy Ross” American flag worked by the grounds crew into the dirt in the infield. The image came accompanied with a message: “Hey @Kaepernick7 after a lot of thought, we have decided it’s best to just do it. #America.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/mi ... spartanntp

[obiken]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/minor-league-baseball-team-trolls-colin-kaepernick-nike-with-betsy-ross-american-flag-stunt/ar-AADOSJ1?ocid=spartanntp

River, black kids are getting shot by racist cops, sorry I dont think you are for that. No question I had doubts about him being the leader of the movement, but Megan Rapinoe, sorry there was no upside for her to kneel.

[jshawaii22]

black kids are getting shot by racist cops

and that has what to do what with a billion dollar corporation bending over to a ex-football player who, hopefully, is looking for a new country to go live in, since it 's obvious he doesn't like ours or our flag and what it stands for.

If he had just come out and said that a flag on shoes is not a good idea and actually disrespects the flag, I'd be OK with that but obviously that's not what went down.

[c_hawkbob]

black kids are getting shot by racist cops

and that has what to do what with a billion dollar corporation bending over to a ex-football player who, hopefully, is looking for a new country to go live in, since it 's obvious he doesn't like ours or our flag and what it stands for.

If he had just come out and said that a flag on shoes is not a good idea and actually disrespects the flag, I'd be OK with that but obviously that's not what went down.

It's a marketing decision. Nothing to do with "bending over to an ex NFL player". Nike knows who they're selling shoes to.

[RiverDog]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/minor-league-baseball-team-trolls-colin-kaepernick-nike-with-betsy-ross-american-flag-stunt/ar-AADOSJ1?ocid=spartanntp

River, black kids are getting shot by racist cops, sorry I dont think you are for that. No question I had doubts about him being the leader of the movement, but Megan Rapinoe, sorry there was no upside for her to kneel.

The issue Kaepernick had with the flag on the tennis shoes has nothing to do with police shootings. My understanding is that apparently some white supremist group(s) have adapted that particular design as "their", something that I was completely unaware of and that I'll bet 90%+ of Americans were in the dark on. Now that Kaep has opened his cake hole, those groups are getting the attention they so much desire and need in order to stay relevant in today's society.

If Kaep were truly concerned about defeating those sick POS white supremist, he'd kept his mouth shut and just let those scumbags wither on the vine by cutting off the life giving publicity that they crave. Nike was trying to honor Betsy Ross's original design, but now that he's forced Nike to pull the shoes, he's touched off a controversy and in the process, given the white supremist groups another recruiting tool.

[idhawkman]

black kids are getting shot by racist cops

and that has what to do what with a billion dollar corporation bending over to a ex-football player who, hopefully, is looking for a new country to go live in, since it 's obvious he doesn't like ours or our flag and what it stands for.

If he had just come out and said that a flag on shoes is not a good idea and actually disrespects the flag, I'd be OK with that but obviously that's not what went down.

It's a marketing decision. Nothing to do with "bending over to an ex NFL player". Nike knows who they're selling shoes to.

As much as I don't like what Nike did and don't think Kaepernick is worth the salt in his tears, I think Bob is right here. Nike made this decision so that they could get millions of dollars of free marketing. I do believe that is good for them in the short term but in the long run, I think it will hurt them.

[burrrton]

River, black kids are getting shot by racist cops, sorry I dont think you are for that.

A. That's not what he was upset about.

B. America isn't the correct target if it was.

He's an idiot, just like he always has been, too stupid to do anything but impotently whine about some perceived slight.

[c_hawkbob]

Not a fan of Ted Cruz but I sure do like his response to Kap here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

PS. I'm thinking it might be time to move this to the OT section, it's pure politics now and I don't think Kap will ever play in the NFL again.

[RiverDog]

Not a fan of Ted Cruz but I sure do like his response to Kap here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

That was classic! So many times, Kaepernick opens his mouth without knowing what the hell he is talking about. Sen. Cruz sure put him in his place and did so quite elegantly.

PS. I'm thinking it might be time to move this to the OT section, it's pure politics now and I don't think Kap will ever play in the NFL again.

You're absolutely right. Although it wasn't the intent of the author of the thread, there isn't a single football related thing in this discussion. However, it's not like it's super busy in here, so I'm good either way.

[mykc14]

Not a fan of Ted Cruz but I sure do like his response to Kap here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

PS. I'm thinking it might be time to move this to the OT section, it's pure politics now and I don't think Kap will ever play in the NFL again.

Yeah I read this: it was really good and points to the crux of the issue. Most Americans would admit that there are issues, especially in the inner city, which typically has a higher population of minorities, that need to be addressed and would be open to a discourse about the root cause be it racism, socioeconomic, cultural, etc... but Kaep has turned it into America bashing which has completely slammed the door shut on even attempting to really talk about the issues. Now we have cops who are simply enjoying their coffee before their shirt being asked to leave Starbucks because another customer doesn’t feel safe with police officers in the same store as them. This is what Kaep and the movements he supports has done and it is not helping, it is not healing, and it is dividing.

[RiverDog]

Yeah I read this: it was really good and points to the crux of the issue. Most Americans would admit that there are issues, especially in the inner city, which typically has a higher population of minorities, that need to be addressed and would be open to a discourse about the root cause be it racism, socioeconomic, cultural, etc... but Kaep has turned it into America bashing which has completely slammed the door shut on even attempting to really talk about the issues. Now we have cops who are simply enjoying their coffee before their shirt being asked to leave Starbucks because another customer doesn’t feel safe with police officers in the same store as them. This is what Kaep and the movements he supports has done and it is not helping, it is not healing, and it is dividing.

Exactly. And it's not the first example of Kaepernick's politics of division. His pro Castro tee shirt, police piggy socks, and admitting that he doesn't vote pretty much discredits him and anything he says in the eyes of many Americans. It turned the debate from the issues he supposedly represents into a debate about his behavior.

Although it's water under the bridge at this point as Kaepernick has already caused people form opinions about him that won't change, he ought to go back and study how Martin Luther King was able not only to unite blacks, but brought a greater sense of awareness to whites as well, about the injustices suffered by blacks and ultimately was able to prevail, or rather the movement in his absence was able to prevail.

[obiken]

Its not like they pulled their pants down and mooned the flag, they were kneeling, how in the hell is that a sign of disrespect? In all HS games in Alabama EVERYONE used to kneel.

[c_hawkbob]

Nate Boyer (former Seahawk and Green Beret) asked him to kneel out of respect in favor of sitting the anthem out on the bench. Other than standing with hand over heart (or saluting if you're in uniform) kneeling is about as respectful as it gets.

It's the rest of his baggage that makes Colin a terrible spokesperson for a reasonable cause.

[burrrton]

Well, there are certainly worse things one could do, and I don't think kneeling is *that* terrible (and I'm glad Kaep took Boyer's advice seriously), and can even be considered respectful in certain situations, but it's disrespectful during the anthem because Kaep (et al) told us that's how he intended it, isn't it?

[RiverDog]

Its not like they pulled their pants down and mooned the flag, they were kneeling, how in the hell is that a sign of disrespect? In all HS games in Alabama EVERYONE used to kneel.

"They" didn't all kneel. Michael Bennett, for example, kept is arse parked on the bench with his head hanging down during the anthem.

[obiken]

It's the rest of his baggage that makes Colin a terrible spokesperson for a reasonable cause.

That we can definitely agree on!

[obiken]

"They"[/i] didn't all kneel. Michael Bennett, for example, kept is arse parked on the bench with his head hanging down during the anthem.

Point taken River, but you also have to remember that like Mark Schlereth was saying, the players used to stay in the Locker room during the anthem till the Armed Forces started paying the NFL to have them come out. IF that's the case why are my tax dollars being used to buy a players fake patriotism. My biggest complaint was why give Trump an issue. IF he can make you afraid of it or blame it for any bad thing in your life he will, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DEMAGOGUE'S DO!

[RiverDog]

Point taken River, but you also have to remember that like Mark Schlereth was saying, the players used to stay in the Locker room during the anthem till the Armed Forces started paying the NFL to have them come out. IF that's the case why are my tax dollars being used to buy a players fake patriotism. My biggest complaint was why give Trump an issue. IF he can make you afraid of it or blame it for any bad thing in your life he will, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DEMAGOGUE'S DO!

I agree. The first time Kaep started kneeling, the league should have just told all the teams to stay in their locker rooms during the anthem, but no, the league loves the photo ops of players neatly lined up and looking at the flag with a tear in their eyes as part of their marketing strategy.

And yes, the POTUS should have just kept his cake hole shut, but he couldn't resist the urge to play to his base. Had he not said anything, the issue more than likely would have just slipped away as some sort of a fad, but he kept it front and center for political reasons.

[idhawkman]

"They" didn't all kneel. Michael Bennett, for example, kept is arse parked on the bench with his head hanging down during the anthem.

Apropos if you ask me. Sitting out the anthem should make one hang their head in shame. He probably knew it subconsciously, too.

[idhawkman]

I agree. The first time Kaep started kneeling, the league should have just told all the teams to stay in their locker rooms during the anthem, but no, the league loves the photo ops of players neatly lined up and looking at the flag with a tear in their eyes as part of their marketing strategy.

And yes, the POTUS should have just kept his cake hole shut, but he couldn't resist the urge to play to his base. Had he not said anything, the issue more than likely would have just slipped away as some sort of a fad, but he kept it front and center for political reasons.

Yep, definitely should be moved to off topic now.

[Aseahawkfan]

Kaep turned protesting into a lucrative, multimillion dollar career that exceeded what his football talent would have paid him. Only in America could he do this. He probably knows it too. He'll whine about the country, but never move somewhere he thinks is better. Probably won't even really help anyone much donating his windfall. He'll just live like some hipster protester spending his money on himself with some occasional token donations. Always love seeing someone monetize the mob mentality of the masses who never really go, "Is this guy really helping?" Good for him.

[obiken]

Yep, definitely should be moved to off topic now.

No doubt ID, unless you have some ideas for the Democrats to win back the state of Idaho!

[idhawkman]

No doubt ID, unless you have some ideas for the Democrats to win back the state of Idaho!

Win "back"? Don't let River see this or he will turn it into a federal offense for you lying.

[obiken]

Yeah its only been 55 years!! lol!