Impeach yes or no and why ?

[RiverDog]

The democrat that would beat the living hell out of Trump is Joe Biden, ie stable moderate adult supervision which looks damn inviting right now and the democratic media talking heads are doing all they can to destroy him. Joe isn't about any of about 90% of ID Hawkmans list which is a problem with about half the dem party but would easily make him the next president in the general election.

Picking at his gaffes or trying the "creepy Joe" stuff is laughable when looney tunes is ordering/calling off military strikes, musing about Iran's motivation for their bellicose behavior while completely ignoring the findings of his intelligence people, ordering /postponing ICE roundups and having another of his outright sexual assault/rape victims come out of the woodwork all in a span of about 3 days. Its the new normal at the adult day care known as the west wing.

If the dems succeed in destroying Biden and Warren emerges( It won't be sanders, hes sinking like a rock in the polls) Trump might have a snowball's chance in hell but that's all. It's like the Orlando Sentinels endorsement last week"Not Trump"
ABT. anyone but Trump. 52% of america has just Fing had it with him, economy etc be damned. HIs national re-elect is 37% and anything under 50 for an incumbent is trouble. Its an astounding number for a guy who has this kind of economy propping him up but no surprise to guys like me who saw through him from day one.

Im still hoping for a miracle and that Weld could gain some traction in the primaries and give me a republican candidate I could vote for. Biden? absolutely?Beto? You bet. Kamela harris?. Gladly. Tim Ryan is a real longshot but a brilliant guy from the rust belt that would be impressive if he gained some traction. There's probably a few others but IMO the democratic race looks to me like Biden vs Sanders. All that could change but if thats it im praying for Biden. Former close Trump friend turned MSNBC commentator Donny Deutsch said the other day if its warren vs Trump he wins 48 states . Im not even sure about that but she is the closest thing to Hillary running only far more left wing, equally nagging old biddy hag lecturing corporate america etc. Shes Trumps best shot.

I'm still putting my money on Biden, but damn that guy has a habit of sticking his foot in his mouth, a trait he's had for the past 3 decades. Although I agreed with him and feel that criticism of him is unfair, I don't know why in the hell he ever wanted to mention snuggling up with a bunch of good 'ole boys and give his opponents an opening. The others, save Sanders and Warren that I already know that I won't vote for, don't do much for me as they all seem to want to embrace socialistic ideas but I still haven't done a lot of research on them. We'll have to wait until Super Tuesday next March before we can get a good idea as to who will emerge.

You might as well be betting on the Cleveland Browns to win the Super Bowl as you would on a successful Weld candidacy. Trump owns the Republicans, which is why I've distanced myself from them.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm still putting my money on Biden, but damn that guy has a habit of sticking his foot in his mouth, a trait he's had for the past 3 decades. Although I agreed with him and feel that criticism of him is unfair, I don't know why in the hell he ever wanted to mention snuggling up with a bunch of good 'ole boys and give his opponents an opening. The others, save Sanders and Warren that I already know that I won't vote for, don't do much for me as they all seem to want to embrace socialistic ideas but I still haven't done a lot of research on them. We'll have to wait until Super Tuesday next March before we can get a good idea as to who will emerge.

You might as well be betting on the Cleveland Browns to win the Super Bowl as you would on a successful Weld candidacy. Trump owns the Republicans, which is why I've distanced myself from them.

Trump doesn't own them, but you usually let a president that has won your party do his thing while he's there. If you want your party to hold power, that is how it has to work. Both sides do it. Not like many Democrats were looking to oust or challenge Clinton while he was in office and the Democratic Party pretty much chose Hilary and then did what they needed to push her to the front over every other contender.

Many Republicans likely can't stand Trump. You can't do much when the party base pretty much sees Trump as the only savior to fight off the increasingly leftist Democrats. Of the Republicans I talk that support Trump, few love him like IDhawkman. Most vote for him because their option is crazy leftist Democrats that Fox News has successfully painted as socialists and nuts wanting to do things like give prisoners voting rights, let anyone in regardless of borders, and generally treat the country like some Berkeley College Campus.

What do you do as a Republican when your options are Trump or a party that seems so far left that the country will be awful. It's like we're seeing a severe backlash against the liberalism that has been increasing in this nation since the 60s with a few reprieves such as the Reagan and Bush presidency. It's as though people reached their liberal limit and voted for Trump just to spite liberals. He's like the embodiment of anti-liberal rage sent to The White House to give them the middle finger. One last kick before the liberals turn us into Europe. I'm betting one more severe economic downturn, maybe sooner, before we vote in a heavily socialist president.

[RiverDog]

Trump doesn't own them (Republicans), but you usually let a president that has won your party do his thing while he's there. If you want your party to hold power, that is how it has to work. Both sides do it. Not like many Democrats were looking to oust or challenge Clinton while he was in office and the Democratic Party pretty much chose Hilary and then did what they needed to push her to the front over every other contender.

Many Republicans likely can't stand Trump. You can't do much when the party base pretty much sees Trump as the only savior to fight off the increasingly leftist Democrats. Of the Republicans I talk that support Trump, few love him like IDhawkman. Most vote for him because their option is crazy leftist Democrats that Fox News has successfully painted as socialists and nuts wanting to do things like give prisoners voting rights, let anyone in regardless of borders, and generally treat the country like some Berkeley College Campus.

What do you do as a Republican when your options are Trump or a party that seems so far left that the country will be awful. It's like we're seeing a severe backlash against the liberalism that has been increasing in this nation since the 60s with a few reprieves such as the Reagan and Bush presidency. It's as though people reached their liberal limit and voted for Trump just to spite liberals. He's like the embodiment of anti-liberal rage sent to The White House to give them the middle finger. One last kick before the liberals turn us into Europe. I'm betting one more severe economic downturn, maybe sooner, before we vote in a heavily socialist president.

I agree. People voted for Trump for a lot of different reasons. His "America first" motto resonated with a lot of people, particularly in the critical rust belt states who's industries have become outmoded and obsolete. He capitalized on this irrational phobia that many people have about immigrants. A lot of people voted for him because he wasn't Hillary. 2016 was a first in that it featured the two most disliked candidate BY FAR than any other nominee since they started asking the question back in the 40's. Even amongst Dems, a lot of them sat out the 2016 election because Hillary did absolutely nothing to motivate them.

I'm hoping that Biden wins the nomination and the Presidency and ousts that POS, holds off the far left of the Democratic party, then retires in 2024 and a decent Republican candidate emerges.

[idhawkman]

Biden will go down in a heap of flames if he wins that nomination. As soon as Biden is outed for the bribes he committed overseas for his son, he'll be done. I don't think the president wants to out Biden just yet because he knows how easy it is going to be to thoroughly trash him. None of the Dem prospects look like they have a snowball's chance....

[Aseahawkfan]

I think Biden will have a hard time taking Trump down once they go head to head. Trump works crowds like few other presidential candidates I've ever seen. People caught up in the furor don't head to web sites to fact check him while he has them revved up. Heck, the majority of them probably believe him over a leftist fact checking web site.

[RiverDog]

I think Biden will have a hard time taking Trump down once they go head to head. Trump works crowds like few other presidential candidates I've ever seen. People caught up in the furor don't head to web sites to fact check him while he has them revved up. Heck, the majority of them probably believe him over a leftist fact checking web site.

I think it's going to be another close election. The fact that Trump's popularity has remained so consistent throughout his term suggests that not much is going to change on his side of the ledger between 2016 and 2020.

But things might change this time around if Biden is the nominee. He'll run stronger in PA than HRC simply because he was born there and was a Senator from neighboring Delaware for decades. Indeed, he was sometimes known as PA's 3rd Senator. He'll be more likely to get the black vote out simply because he was Obama's VP for 8 years. So long as he doesn't get beaten up too badly in the primaries, I think he'll be a good bet to take Trump down. But damn, that guy has such a habit of saying and doing things that causes him to self destruct.

[idhawkman]

I think it's going to be another close election. The fact that Trump's popularity has remained so consistent throughout his term suggests that not much is going to change on his side of the ledger between 2016 and 2020.

But things might change this time around if Biden is the nominee. He'll run stronger in PA than HRC simply because he was born there and was a Senator from neighboring Delaware for decades. Indeed, he was sometimes known as PA's 3rd Senator. He'll be more likely to get the black vote out simply because he was Obama's VP for 8 years. So long as he doesn't get beaten up too badly in the primaries, I think he'll be a good bet to take Trump down. But damn, that guy has such a habit of saying and doing things that causes him to self destruct.

Trump's already telegraphed how he is going to take Biden out of PA. Biden abandoned PA and went to Delaware and then for 40 years he did nothing to protect hard working Pennsylvanian's jobs from moving overseas. That's just a sampling. Add to that Biden couldn't even draw 200 people to his announcement in his home town of Scranton whereas Trump pulls multiples more for his crowds.

[Aseahawkfan]

If Trump gets a Chinese trade deal done near election time and the market spikes with good economic indicators, he's going to be immensely hard to beat no matter who runs.

[idhawkman]

If he gets a China trade deal done anytime before the election the economy will be booming through the election and it will be very hard for people to accept the democrat claims that the economy needs fixing in any way.