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Re: Seahawks News

Postby RiverDog » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:00 pm

I probably should have put Penny on my "players to watch" list. His rookie season was rather vanilla. I can't say that he lived up to expectations yet I can't say that he was a disappointment, either.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby jshawaii22 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:07 pm

I think most of the pundits had us overdrafting him be at least 2 rounds. He played up to that 3rd round 'pick' level about what we expected.
Another one of the JS stretch picks that boggle our minds. Not to say he'll never play up to that pick, but he's not even in Carson's league right now, except for a couple of glimpses of it last year.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby RiverDog » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:05 am

jshawaii22 wrote:I think most of the pundits had us overdrafting him be at least 2 rounds. He played up to that 3rd round 'pick' level about what we expected.

Another one of the JS stretch picks that boggle our minds. Not to say he'll never play up to that pick, but he's not even in Carson's league right now, except for a couple of glimpses of it last year.


That's pretty close to my sentiments regarding Penny. Outside of a slam dunk player like Barkley, I questioned the wisdom of taking nearly any running back with a first round selection. Use your first round pick for 3 down players. It's not as much a player not performing up to expectations as it is a bad use of a first round pick.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby obiken » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:48 am

jshawaii22 wrote:I think most of the pundits had us overdrafting him be at least 2 rounds. He played up to that 3rd round 'pick' level about what we expected.
Another one of the JS stretch picks that boggle our minds. Not to say he'll never play up to that pick, but he's not even in Carson's league right now, except for a couple of glimpses of it last year.


I think Penny will improve this year remember, he had a broken finger a lot of the season, and the biggest jump is in the 2nd year.

Good read on him: https://www.seahawks.com/news/seahawks- ... ow-to-be-a
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby RiverDog » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:04 am

jshawaii22 wrote:I think most of the pundits had us overdrafting him be at least 2 rounds. He played up to that 3rd round 'pick' level about what we expected.
Another one of the JS stretch picks that boggle our minds. Not to say he'll never play up to that pick, but he's not even in Carson's league right now, except for a couple of glimpses of it last year.


obiken wrote:I think Penny will improve this year remember, he had a broken finger a lot of the season, and the biggest jump is in the 2nd year.

Good read on him: https://www.seahawks.com/news/seahawks- ... ow-to-be-a


He's going to have to beat out Carson as the workhorse of our offense if he's to live up to the expectations of being a #1 draft choice. IMO you don't burn a first round pick and your first pick in a draft on a player and not expect him to at least be good enough to start.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby NorthHawk » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:00 am

There were a couple of things involved in the thinking about taking Penny when they did.
The first was Carson was coming off an injury and nobody knew how well he would stand'
up to punishment in the NFL with his running style. The second was the run game was
anemic the prior couple of years and they needed to upgrade it badly. With Barkley going
early, they had to take a good RB early and Penny was at the top of their list (rightly or
wrongly). So I think the debate inside the team might have been do we wait and get
a player who we think is a lesser RB and hope he is better than we think or do we take
the guy at the top of our list now? It was a tough place to be in and they went with what
they thought were the best odds.
I don't think Carson will ever play 16 games and I doubt he has much more than a 4 or 5
year career with how hard he runs, so a good RB is an absolute necessity.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby NorthHawk » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:51 am

Here's an article discussing the Seahawks for 2019.
I think it's an interesting point of view.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... rowded-nfc
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby RiverDog » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:04 pm

NorthHawk wrote:There were a couple of things involved in the thinking about taking Penny when they did.
The first was Carson was coming off an injury and nobody knew how well he would stand'
up to punishment in the NFL with his running style. The second was the run game was
anemic the prior couple of years and they needed to upgrade it badly. With Barkley going
early, they had to take a good RB early and Penny was at the top of their list (rightly or
wrongly). So I think the debate inside the team might have been do we wait and get
a player who we think is a lesser RB and hope he is better than we think or do we take
the guy at the top of our list now? It was a tough place to be in and they went with what
they thought were the best odds.
I don't think Carson will ever play 16 games and I doubt he has much more than a 4 or 5
year career with how hard he runs, so a good RB is an absolute necessity.


I understand their thinking. I just disagree with it. IMO a first round pick is a heck of an expensive insurance policy against a starter getting injured.

The one thing that I will say is that Pete is playing it right by making Penny earn his playing time rather than playing him because he's trying to save face on bad draft decision. Carson is obviously the better running back of the two.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby NorthHawk » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:09 pm

Carson is the better RB as of last year. It remains to be seen if he will be
throughout 2019 as the inevitable injury bug hits him. We need a solid RB
to replace him and take away the starting job, or at least challenge for it.

I don't have a problem with them taking a RB with the first pick.
They identified a need and filled it. That's what the draft is for.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby RiverDog » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:10 pm

NorthHawk wrote:Carson is the better RB as of last year. It remains to be seen if he will be
throughout 2019 as the inevitable injury bug hits him. We need a solid RB
to replace him and take away the starting job, or at least challenge for it.

I don't have a problem with them taking a RB with the first pick.
They identified a need and filled it. That's what the draft is for.


You're forgetting that we already had Davis on the roster, who had performed well as a backup to Carson. Not only that, but Penny's blocking was unproven at best, limiting how we could utilize him on 3rd down.

My main disagreement is in the position more than it is the player. I just don't like spending a first round draft pick on a RB unless the guy is going to be a stud like Barkley, Peterson, Gurley, etc, and Penny isn't in that class. We had identified needs at other positions besides RB.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby obiken » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:50 pm

He's going to have to beat out Carson as the workhorse of our offense if he's to live up to the expectations of being a #1 draft choice. IMO you don't burn a first round pick and your first pick in a draft on a player and not expect him to at least be good enough to start.


I agree Riv, but come on, its Pete Carroll we're talking about here, rounds don't matter to this guy. He can always pick up a good WR in the 6th round and turn him into an All Pro DB! The problem is you usually never find All-Pro OLineman in the 5th round. I think Penny will have a good 2nd year, but not displace Carson. Its a good insurance policy.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby RiverDog » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:54 pm

He's going to have to beat out Carson as the workhorse of our offense if he's to live up to the expectations of being a #1 draft choice. IMO you don't burn a first round pick and your first pick in a draft on a player and not expect him to at least be good enough to start.


obiken wrote:I agree Riv, but come on, its Pete Carroll we're talking about here, rounds don't matter to this guy. He can always pick up a good WR in the 6th round and turn him into an All Pro DB! The problem is you usually never find All-Pro OLineman in the 5th round. I think Penny will have a good 2nd year, but not displace Carson. Its a good insurance policy.


You don't spend a #27 overall pick for an insurance policy, especially at a 2 down position.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:09 pm

Yes, you do if you aren't convinced your current starter can play a full year or can fully recover.
Remember, the run game was terrible even with Carson on the field and then he got hurt so it's
reasonable that they would address that position with a value pick.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:10 pm

In other news, it looks like Kendricks might be available all year.
I sure hope so.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... -kendricks
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby RiverDog » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:56 am

NorthHawk wrote:In other news, it looks like Kendricks might be available all year.
I sure hope so.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... -kendricks


It's better news than bad news, but it's based on a highly speculative piece. Indeed, the first sentence of the embedded article starts out like this:

I’m going to start off by stating that fans who want facts and specifics can go ahead and close this story right now, because this is an attempt to look into the future by piecing together what little information is available.

It seems odd to this armchair lawyer why Kendricks sentencing date keeps getting postponed. The trial is over and both men plead guilty so there won't be any appeals, so what is it that the court is waiting on?
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:43 am

This line is what stands out for me:

John P. Gilbert of FieldGulls.com observes that Kendricks’ co-defendant, Damilare Sonoiki — whose sentencing is scheduled for July 15 — petitioned the court for permission to travel in May so that he could seek employment. And as Gilbert points out, it would be curious if Sonoiki filed that petition in search of two-month employment prior to a court appearance that could theoretically send him to jail for a significant stretch, so it sounds as if Sonoiki believes he can avoid prison time entirely.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby RiverDog » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:32 am

NorthHawk wrote:This line is what stands out for me:

John P. Gilbert of FieldGulls.com observes that Kendricks’ co-defendant, Damilare Sonoiki — whose sentencing is scheduled for July 15 — petitioned the court for permission to travel in May so that he could seek employment. And as Gilbert points out, it would be curious if Sonoiki filed that petition in search of two-month employment prior to a court appearance that could theoretically send him to jail for a significant stretch, so it sounds as if Sonoiki believes he can avoid prison time entirely.


I saw that, too, and I agree that it's a favorable indication that Kendricks might receive a similar accommodation by the court that would allow him to play this season. But we're still trying to put 2 and 2 together. The judge might not consider Sonoiki's employment situation in the same light as Kendricks. We won't know for sure until the judge slams the gavel.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:28 pm

Is it unusual for 2 people convicted of the same crime to get different sentences?
It would seem odd to me, but I guess you never know.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby RiverDog » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:45 pm

NorthHawk wrote:Is it unusual for 2 people convicted of the same crime to get different sentences?
It would seem odd to me, but I guess you never know.


Again, I'm not a criminal lawyer, but I would surmise that a lot would have to do with the circumstances of the two different individuals. Is the judge going to be more sympathetic to a person's work release request if he's going to be in the same county for 6 months vs. Kendrick's situation where he's going to be traveling cross country?

There's too much that I don't know about this subject for me to speculate about the outcome.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby jshawaii22 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:24 pm

more importantly since many states and the feds have very specific guidelines, are the past history of each accused. If someone with a prior felony and someone who is clean both conspire or each, say, robs a restaurant with a gun, there is noway that they get the same sentence and the person with no record will probably not go to jail, as long as that said person comes clean in front of the judge.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby RiverDog » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:54 am

jshawaii22 wrote:more importantly since many states and the feds have very specific guidelines, are the past history of each accused. If someone with a prior felony and someone who is clean both conspire or each, say, robs a restaurant with a gun, there is noway that they get the same sentence and the person with no record will probably not go to jail, as long as that said person comes clean in front of the judge.


That's true, but if I remember correctly, neither Kendricks or his partner in crime had any prior felony convictions, so there is reason to believe that they would receive similar sentences or avoid jail time altogether.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby NorthHawk » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:51 pm

Will Dissly is expected to be at TC according to PFT.
His recovery is on schedule, but it isn’t known if he
will be a full participant early or more probably get
eased into the mix.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby jshawaii22 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:30 am

That's true, but if I remember correctly, neither Kendricks or his partner in crime had any prior felony convictions, so there is reason to believe that they would receive similar sentences or avoid jail time altogether.


RD, I think in this case, I'll bet that right now, Kendricks has agreed to or will testify against the broker who brought him into the scheme. I would think that delays at this point is an attempt to mitigate the charges for Kendricks, which I think Pete spilled the beans by his smirky comment a few days ago.

Also in his defense, he came clean right away, as compared to the rich b**** Martha Stewart who fought it all the way to jail.

Here's a UPDATE ON THE END OF SUMMER -- 6 weeks to training camp:

https://www.seahawks.com/news/seven-takeaways-from-seahawks-coach-pete-carroll-on-the-final-day-of-2019-minica

Of course I'm on with the kid from Hawaii -- John Ursua. It's the first time he's been mentioned by anyone since the night of the draft! He's a real, real, good choice for a slot receiver. Led the nation is TD's last year. Has some wicked moves once he gets the ball, he don't like being tackled.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby RiverDog » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:14 am

That's true, but if I remember correctly, neither Kendricks or his partner in crime had any prior felony convictions, so there is reason to believe that they would receive similar sentences or avoid jail time altogether.


jshawaii22 wrote:RD, I think in this case, I'll bet that right now, Kendricks has agreed to or will testify against the broker who brought him into the scheme. I would think that delays at this point is an attempt to mitigate the charges for Kendricks, which I think Pete spilled the beans by his smirky comment a few days ago.

Also in his defense, he came clean right away, as compared to the rich b**** Martha Stewart who fought it all the way to jail.


Could be. Something has to still be in limbo in order for them to keep postponing sentencing. The fact that the court is still undecided has to be a good sign for Kendricks.

I'm not sure how much of the court's favor Kendricks cooperation will earn him. It sounds like they already had him nailed to the wall before he plead guilty. From an article published last year prior to his conviction:

Disturbingly for Kendricks, the federal government appears to have obtained a treasure chest of incriminating evidence. Both the information and complaint refer to numerous bank transactions and text messages. The government likely obtained this evidence through some combination of voluntary disclosures by witnesses and subpoenas. Such damning electronic evidence would be difficult for Kendricks to explain away in court.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/08/29/mycha ... i-blackish

Additionally, it's unclear how much information Kendricks may have that he can use to bargain with. If you read the article I linked, he didn't have any active participation in the scheme and was just an investor, so it appears that it's unlikely that he would possess information on others that the court would deem as valuable in their pursuit of other participants. But as I said, something is causing the court to keep postponing his sentencing.

Boy, you dusted off some cob webs in bringing up Martha Stewart, but it's a good analogy.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby Rambo2014 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:35 pm

Who are you dudes going to hire next?

OJ

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Re: Seahawks News

Postby jshawaii22 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:30 am

This is a "Former Seahawk News Story" So here's one of biggest bust 1st round blowouts giving his all to become a total jerk...He must not watch COP shows on TV. You go from a traffic stop to being a criminal in the good old USA really fast. Stolen Car, too. Bet he didn't get a title. Classic.


Former Seattle Seahawks defensive tackle Malik McDowell is now fighting a battle on three fronts currently.

Since being released in March, McDowell has been trying to find a team that will clear him to play football and thus sign him to a contract. In May, it was learned that he's also engaged in a legal battle with the Seahawks over bonus money. Now, he's facing new charges and set to appear in court on Thursday.

According to The Detroit News, the former top Seahawks pick in 2017 is facing charges of assault/resisting arrest, operating while intoxicated and receiving and concealing stolen property. Per the police report, McDowell was stopped by two Lathrup Village police officers on suspicion of drunk driving in February. Lathrup Village, Michigan is near McDowell's home city of Southfield.

McDowell was seen spinning out in a Ford F-150 Raptor pickup which prompted police to question him. At that point, he demanded a supervisor be called to the scene but was told none were available, according to his attorney Mitchell Ribitwer. He then walked to a gas station away from the officers. It was inside that gas station that the confrontation between McDowell and the police occurred.

Per the report, physicality began following McDowell's refusal to hand over his license, whereupon he grabbed the officers wrist and put his hand on the officers gun. He and the officer wrestled inside the gas station and caused some damage to the inside during the struggle. Despite being tased, McDowell had the upper hand on the officer until another cop came into the battle to finally get handcuffs on McDowell.

The resisting arrest charge comes with a punishment up to two years in prison and a fine while the intoxication charge is a 93-day misdemeanor that could be even more trouble for McDowell since he has a drunk driving conviction on his record already. The theft charge could lead to up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted; although McDowell claims he wasn't aware the truck was stolen, as he had bought it for $3,000 in Detroit.

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Re: Seahawks News

Postby RiverDog » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:48 am

McDowell wasn't a first round pick, but he was our first pick in the 2017 draft, #35 overall. Another one of Schneider's reaches.

They really ought to have different categories of "busts" for those that didn't fulfill expectations due to injury. But I agree with the gist of what you're saying, that McDowell was obviously a completely wasted pick and they sure missed the mark on his character. We've gotten into arguments in the past as to how much character issues should be factored into draft selections and McDowell is a good example why teams must conduct thorough background checks on prospective draft picks.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby idhawkman » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:05 am

Can you believe it is only 2 weeks until rookie camp starts? Are you excited yet? I literally can not wait for this season to see how things work out this year.
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Re: Seahawks News

Postby idhawkman » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:14 pm

1 week to rookie mini camp. Woohoo!!!
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