Presidential power

[burrrton]

ID, it's raising prices on Americans to try to suppress the Mexican economy- what do you think that's going to do to Mexicans struggling down there if successful?

[Hawktawk]

Mueller DID say he would have impeached Trump if he could, just without saying it. He said Justice dept guidelines forbid indicting him or charging him with a crime, never mind what total partisan hack Starr did to a president of the opposing party over lying about a consensual sex act. It was Mueller's opinion he could not do it and his extraordinary character and respect for the constitution and rule of law shone through.Hes been beat over the head by both sides but I completely respect the man and his decision.

Why I say I believe he would have if he could have was that he said "we could have exonerated him but after reviewing all the evidence we chose not to do it".Well if your not innocent what are you? next thing he does is verbally hand the ball to the congress which even ID Hawkman pointed out. Not exactly a nothing to see here statement. It was a game changer.

Frankly Im very suspicious of Bob Barr stopping Mueller, cutting the investigation short. A report surfaced a couple of days ago that Mueller had written up a 3 count indictment of Trump for obstruction but then abandoned it. Viola the next day he speaks with the whole world listening, doesn't address that report or take questions. I don't think its any coincidence that in the news conference when he body slams Barrs lies into the dirt that he summarily resigns, slams shut the investigation and tells both parties hes done. Of course the "vindicated" president had a 17 minute freak the F out with a lie a second today on the white house lawn hes so super sure that Muellers speech yesterday confirmed his vindication. .And Burrt thinks Im clinically insane for pointing out correctly that hes clinically insane

Impeach him and let the chips fall. This isnt Bill Clinton, glib and funny, balancing budgets and passing welfare reform working across the aisle and being impeached over an investigation of a failed land deal that somehow wound up about a lie over a consentual BJ. TALK ABOUT A WITCH HUNT!!!!!

This is the least popular president ever in his third year with great economic fundamentals and yet hes never cracked 50% unlike every other modern president has at least at some point in his first 2.5 years His reelect numbers are in the 30s as is his "strong support " numbers.

And we wont be hearing about a blue stained dress in open hearings. It will be about a president that gladly accepted help from our greatest geopolitical foe much of which was executed by the Russian military, lied about it, obstructed it with a cast of unbelievably sleazy characters and to this day bucks our entire intelligence community findings that Russia did in fact massively hack our election, attempted to in the midterms and will almost certainly try to keep their stooge on the end of their puppet strings in Nov of 2020.

The average american has a very short attention span and likely 5% or less have read the entire report. They will get the salient parts of the report on live TV and it wont be pretty for the administration. I dont see it helping trump at all. Regardless he deserves the stain on his legacy.

As for myself note to the DEM party. FYI this lifelong republican conservative who hates you voted for some of you last go round and it wasn't over the new green deal. It was because trump needs to be curtailed and hopefully removed or at least shamed and that is more important to me than any policy set forth by either party. Regardless of what Nancy pelosi wants Im pretty sure the majority of her constituents want it to happen as well.

Yank the ripcord.It might cost them the house if they do but it may well cost them the house if they dont.

[Hawktawk]

ID, it's raising prices on Americans to try to suppress the Mexican economy- what do you think that's going to do to Mexicans struggling down there if successful?

In this we can agree. Generally speaking these trade wars are retarded and this move is another sleight of hand to deflect attention away from yesterdays debacle anyway.

Tariffs probably deserve their own thread honestly, All I know is that as an employee of Genie with a worldwide market both of sales and buying raw materials its hurting us badly and I've seen several hundred people laid off in the last year as a result.

[idhawkman]

Mueller DID say he would have impeached Trump if he could, just without saying it. He said Justice dept guidelines forbid indicting him or charging him with a crime, never mind what total partisan hack Starr did to a president of the opposing party over lying about a consensual sex act. It was Mueller's opinion he could not do it and his extraordinary character and respect for the constitution and rule of law shone through.Hes been beat over the head by both sides but I completely respect the man and his decision.

Why I say I believe he would have if he could have was that he said "we could have exonerated him but after reviewing all the evidence we chose not to do it".Well if your not innocent what are you? next thing he does is verbally hand the ball to the congress which even ID Hawkman pointed out. Not exactly a nothing to see here statement. It was a game changer.

Frankly Im very suspicious of Bob Barr stopping Mueller, cutting the investigation short. A report surfaced a couple of days ago that Mueller had written up a 3 count indictment of Trump for obstruction but then abandoned it. Viola the next day he speaks with the whole world listening, doesn't address that report or take questions. I don't think its any coincidence that in the news conference when he body slams Barrs lies into the dirt that he summarily resigns, slams shut the investigation and tells both parties hes done. Of course the "vindicated" president had a 17 minute freak the F out with a lie a second today on the white house lawn hes so super sure that Muellers speech yesterday confirmed his vindication. .And Burrt thinks Im clinically insane for pointing out correctly that hes clinically insane

Impeach him and let the chips fall. This isnt Bill Clinton, glib and funny, balancing budgets and passing welfare reform working across the aisle and being impeached over an investigation of a failed land deal that somehow wound up about a lie over a consentual BJ. TALK ABOUT A WITCH HUNT!!!!!

This is the least popular president ever in his third year with great economic fundamentals and yet hes never cracked 50% unlike every other modern president has at least at some point in his first 2.5 years His reelect numbers are in the 30s as is his "strong support " numbers.

And we wont be hearing about a blue stained dress in open hearings. It will be about a president that gladly accepted help from our greatest geopolitical foe much of which was executed by the Russian military, lied about it, obstructed it with a cast of unbelievably sleazy characters and to this day bucks our entire intelligence community findings that Russia did in fact massively hack our election, attempted to in the midterms and will almost certainly try to keep their stooge on the end of their puppet strings in Nov of 2020.

The average american has a very short attention span and likely 5% or less have read the entire report. They will get the salient parts of the report on live TV and it wont be pretty for the administration. I dont see it helping trump at all. Regardless he deserves the stain on his legacy.

As for myself note to the DEM party. FYI this lifelong republican conservative who hates you voted for some of you last go round and it wasn't over the new green deal. It was because trump needs to be curtailed and hopefully removed or at least shamed and that is more important to me than any policy set forth by either party. Regardless of what Nancy pelosi wants Im pretty sure the majority of her constituents want it to happen as well.

Yank the ripcord.It might cost them the house if they do but it may well cost them the house if they dont.

I had to stop reading your post after the first sentence since you did not include his redaction later in the day yesterday where he had to retract that the OLC opinion did not factor into his conclusion that there is no obstruction.

I also noticed that many were hurried to post about the Mueller statement but no one posted the redaction later. tsk tsk.

[idhawkman]

ID, it's raising prices on Americans to try to suppress the Mexican economy- what do you think that's going to do to Mexicans struggling down there if successful?

Its not hurting anyone yet and won't if the Mexican govt does its job and stops the smugglers on their side of the border. Maybe it will hurt their people but maybe their people will then rise up against the smugglers. Maybe it will force companies to seriously consider which country they outsource to also. If you do business with the devil, expect to get burned every now and then.

[Hawktawk]

Hey ID maybe you should cut and paste all these links about Mueller retracting things, all these witnesses Barr has contradicting Mueller etc. I'm all over the media other than FAUX news and I'm not seeing these things anywhere, much like a lot of the stuff you post. If its a legitimate news source please post it OK? I'm really beginning to believe you just make stuff up to support your cult of personality love affair with your felon loon.

[idhawkman]

Hey ID maybe you should cut and paste all these links about Mueller retracting things, all these witnesses Barr has contradicting Mueller etc. I'm all over the media other than FAUX news and I'm not seeing these things anywhere, much like a lot of the stuff you post. If its a legitimate news source please post it OK? I'm really beginning to believe you just make stuff up to support your cult of personality love affair with your felon loon.

Again, change your news source. They aren't reporting stuff you should know.

[RiverDog]

ID, it's raising prices on Americans to try to suppress the Mexican economy- what do you think that's going to do to Mexicans struggling down there if successful?

Yea, it doesn't take a "stable genius" to figure that one out. If you cause people to go hungry, it's going to increase their motivation to migrate in order to feed themselves. We've only had a couple thousand examples over the course of human history.

[RiverDog]

ID, it's raising prices on Americans to try to suppress the Mexican economy- what do you think that's going to do to Mexicans struggling down there if successful?

In this we can agree. Generally speaking these trade wars are retarded and this move is another sleight of hand to deflect attention away from yesterdays debacle anyway.

That's the power of the presidency. Any time a POTUS has a domestic problem, all they have to do is find something, usually dealing with a foreign adversary, to distract the press's/public's attention and make them look "presidential." It's called the tail wagging the dog. Clinton did it with his "Monica Missiles".

[idhawkman]

Just to be clear, the president has tried to relieve the crisis at the border by:

1. Getting Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform. The dems refused
2. Enforcing the laws as written with zero tolerance. The judges stopped him.
3. Shut down the govt. and force a vote on funding the wall. The dems again rebuffed him with 1.6B for repairs only.
4. Send the military to the border to help with other tasks freeing up the border patrol to actually patrol the border. This is still happening but is not enough.
5. Use spending available to him to build the wall and help funnel the illegals into ports of entry. Judges again have blocked him.
6. Force asylum seekers to stay in Mexico until their case is heard. Judges again.
7. Cut off aid to the most offending nations.
8. Now he's taxing Mexico because congress who he's tried to get to act all along is still ineffective in doing their jobs. someone has to fund this - we don't have enough tax dollars now to stay out of debt as it is, let alone support another 100,000 poor immigrants every month.

So if any of you have a better solution to the border problem, let's hear it or better yet, call you congressman and senator and let them know your idea.

[RiverDog]

Just to be clear, the president has tried to relieve the crisis at the border by:

1. Getting Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform. The dems refused
2. Enforcing the laws as written with zero tolerance. The judges stopped him.
3. Shut down the govt. and force a vote on funding the wall. The dems again rebuffed him with 1.6B for repairs only.
4. Send the military to the border to help with other tasks freeing up the border patrol to actually patrol the border. This is still happening but is not enough.
5. Use spending available to him to build the wall and help funnel the illegals into ports of entry. Judges again have blocked him.
6. Force asylum seekers to stay in Mexico until their case is heard. Judges again.
7. Cut off aid to the most offending nations.
8. Now he's taxing Mexico because congress who he's tried to get to act all along is still ineffective in doing their jobs. someone has to fund this - we don't have enough tax dollars now to stay out of debt as it is, let alone support another 100,000 poor immigrants every month.

So if any of you have a better solution to the border problem, let's hear it or better yet, call you congressman and senator and let them know your idea.

Not a very good defense of a bad, counter productive decision.

[idhawkman]

Just to be clear, the president has tried to relieve the crisis at the border by:

1. Getting Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform. The dems refused
2. Enforcing the laws as written with zero tolerance. The judges stopped him.
3. Shut down the govt. and force a vote on funding the wall. The dems again rebuffed him with 1.6B for repairs only.
4. Send the military to the border to help with other tasks freeing up the border patrol to actually patrol the border. This is still happening but is not enough.
5. Use spending available to him to build the wall and help funnel the illegals into ports of entry. Judges again have blocked him.
6. Force asylum seekers to stay in Mexico until their case is heard. Judges again.
7. Cut off aid to the most offending nations.
8. Now he's taxing Mexico because congress who he's tried to get to act all along is still ineffective in doing their jobs. someone has to fund this - we don't have enough tax dollars now to stay out of debt as it is, let alone support another 100,000 poor immigrants every month.

So if any of you have a better solution to the border problem, let's hear it or better yet, call you congressman and senator and let them know your idea.

Not a very good defense of a bad, counter productive decision.

So based on your response, your idea is to criticize those that are trying to do something but come up with no solution of your own. Got it.

[idhawkman]

Before dismissing this post out of hand, please consider what I write here.

There's a couple of saying we had when I was in sales and I want to first start with them and then expand on it.

1. All companies have problems, they may be different problems but they all have them. The only difference to sales people between companies is the compensation package.
2. Compensation packages drive behavior.

So the reason I write those two things is that all countries also have problems, they may be different but we all have them. The second one is how can you incentivize or punish the poeple of those countries in order to drive behavior.

Now let's consider the President's Tariff announcement on Mexico. At first blush, you could say that he is trying to punish the Mexican people/govt or that he's trying to punish the American people with the tariff. What I actually think he is trying to do is drive behavior of the American companies and poeple instead. here's why:

1. American companies are the ones who are going to feel the tariffs first since they will pay the tariffs on the goods it buys from Mexico. They may choose to pass that extra cost on to their consumers or eat the costs in order to stay competitive with companies who source the same products from other countries.

2. American people at first glance may end up paying more for the products/services that they buy from or contain materials from Mexico if the company, as pointed out in #1, choose to pass the costs on to their customers.

Now let's consider that the above scenarios happen as long as no one complains. But what happens when someone complains? Who do they complain to and who do they complain about?

You could say they would complain about Trump because he put the tariff on and that would be the superficial right answer but it would "REQUIRE" you to ignore the inhumanity that is occuring at the border.

You could complain to the company for passing along the costs to the consumer and shop elsewhere or in an extreme manner boycott the company but again, it would require you to ignore the crisis at the border.

Companies could complain to the same two entities above but they would also be feeding into the inhumanity and crisis at the border.

The only entity that you, the corporation or Mexico could complain to that would not only address the tariffs but also address the border situation is CONGRESS!!! Until congress gets enough heat from their individual voters, donors and other world entities, they will not address the comprehensive immigration situation and fix the carnage at the border, the trek to get to the border, the rapes, deaths, trafficking, separations, etc that occur on the long trips. As a side benefit, they can put a big pinch on the drug crisis and opiod epidemic preventing at least 70,000 deaths/yr of Americans.

Please write your representatives in congress and emplore them to act and act fast. Tens of thousands of lives actually depend on it.

[RiverDog]

Not a very good defense of a bad, counter productive decision.

So based on your response, your idea is to criticize those that are trying to do something but come up with no solution of your own. Got it.

Alright, smart Alec. Here's what I'd do: Stop spending money on that hideous bottomless money pit border wall that's never goin to get built anyway and use the savings to beef up security and resources at ports of entry; utilize electronic and other methods to guard unfenced/unobstructed areas of the border.

Liberalize trading and business relationships with Mexico and other Central American countries to help support their economies, provide job opportunities in their home countries, and reduce the motivation for their citizens to immigrate. Increase military and law enforcement cooperation to help them battle crime.

Got it?

[idhawkman]

Not a very good defense of a bad, counter productive decision.

So based on your response, your idea is to criticize those that are trying to do something but come up with no solution of your own. Got it.

Alright, smart Alec. Here's what I'd do: Stop spending money on that hideous bottomless money pit border wall that's never goin to get built anyway and use the savings to beef up security and resources at ports of entry; utilize electronic and other methods to guard unfenced/unobstructed areas of the border.

So wait, you want to know how many are coming but you don't want to stop any of them? Electronics can't stop or arrest anyone you know.

Liberalize trading and business relationships with Mexico and other Central American countries to help support their economies, provide job opportunities in their home countries, and reduce the motivation for their citizens to immigrate. Increase military and law enforcement cooperation to help them battle crime.

Got it?

So outsourcing is your response. Got it. We already tried that with China and it has gutted the middle class.

[RiverDog]

So wait, you want to know how many are coming but you don't want to stop any of them? Electronics can't stop or arrest anyone you know.

The wall isn't going to get built, at least not as envisioned by DJT. It's best that you start thinking of alternatives.

We have far more illegal immigrants coming through ports of entry than we do in border areas. As a matter of fact, the majority of undocumented aliens are here because they overstayed their visas, meaning they entered the country legally. Billions upon billions of dollars for a wall isn't going to fix that problem.

We can use electronic means to detect humans attempting to cross unfenced areas long before they get to the border. It isn't like we have a triple canopy jungle for them to hide in. Quick response units can then be dispatched to meet them.

Liberalize trading and business relationships with Mexico and other Central American countries to help support their economies, provide job opportunities in their home countries, and reduce the motivation for their citizens to immigrate. Increase military and law enforcement cooperation to help them battle crime.

Got it?

So outsourcing is your response. Got it. We already tried that with China and it has gutted the middle class.

China doesn't share a border with us. Besides, I really don't care how many jobs are outsourced so long as there is plenty of opportunity in this country, and with far more job openings than unemployed, there is not an economic argument for not outsourcing some jobs, particularly minimum wage, unskilled work like agricultural.

You don't like Hispanics coming across the border to work in low wage jobs like picking apples and asparagus and want to spend billions on a wall to prevent them from entering yet you don't want to encourage them to grow those same crops down there and give them an incentive to stay in their homeland. Got it!

[Hawktawk]

Just to be clear, the president has tried to relieve the crisis at the border by:

1. Getting Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform. The dems refused
2. Enforcing the laws as written with zero tolerance. The judges stopped him.
3. Shut down the govt. and force a vote on funding the wall. The dems again rebuffed him with 1.6B for repairs only.
4. Send the military to the border to help with other tasks freeing up the border patrol to actually patrol the border. This is still happening but is not enough.
5. Use spending available to him to build the wall and help funnel the illegals into ports of entry. Judges again have blocked him.
6. Force asylum seekers to stay in Mexico until their case is heard. Judges again.
7. Cut off aid to the most offending nations.
8. Now he's taxing Mexico because congress who he's tried to get to act all along is still ineffective in doing their jobs. someone has to fund this - we don't have enough tax dollars now to stay out of debt as it is, let alone support another 100,000 poor immigrants every month.

So if any of you have a better solution to the border problem, let's hear it or better yet, call you congressman and senator and let them know your idea.

Ill take a swing
In 2013 a bipartisan Immigration reform bill passed the senate with I believe 76 votes. It would have doubled the number of border patrol agents, extended the length of the wall/fence to 700 miles, made E verify the law of the land and provided a pathway to citizenship for the DACA people. I believe the total expenditure would have been around 25 billion or over 4 times what Trump is demanding now. Paul Ryan refused to even vote on it in the house preferring to use the lives of desperate brown skinned people as a political football. Sure enough demonizing brown skinned desperate people was almost as helpful as Vlad Putin and Hillary Clinton in getting Trump elected and Dems utterly refuse to play ball with a white nationalist racist so here we are.

His failed shutdown came as a result of his temper tantrum like he always throws. The deal maker cant make any sort of a deal ON ANYTHING!!!!.Even infrastructure which enjoys broad bipartisan support exploded in exactly 3 minutes over a temper tantrum about congress daring to investigate his criminal lifestyle.

He doesn't negotiate, he demands, pouts, screams, throws fits,Goes on tweet storms of up to 60 in an hour, misspelled , false and misleading things. He has no clue of the actual issues or any way to address them other than an iron fist. His "zero tolerance" solution was ripping babies out of the arms of desperate parents and in many cases losing them never to be reunited in violation of existing laws which makes crossing the border first offense basically a misdemeanor. It would be like getting a traffic ticket and getting your kids taken away if they were in the car. Asylum is currently legal under our constitution. Do these laws need to be reviewed? Absolutely but they are what they are currently.

The funds he is removing from the northern triangle countries some of whose citizens built his golf courses for pennies on the dollar illegally have proven to help lower crime and improve living conditions in the countries. In other words, as bad as it is now his policies will make it even worse. By comparison Obama regularly engaged with the northern triangle countries, sent emissaries there almost monthly including Biden on numerous occasions and had a much lower amount of crossings and problems from northern triangle countries than the great deal maker who was going to fix everything on the border. Crossings are at a 13 year high so whats up with Mr art of the deal?

Dems are far from blameless in all of this obviously. But like Harry Truman once said" the buck stops here". With Trump its "the buck never got here" And he did control all 3 branches and the SCOTUS his first 2 years as well.

I told my best friend who is a successful businessmen who was all gung ho for Trump in 2016 because he was also a businessman that buyer beware since I had observed Trumps *style * during the campaign.

Politics has its own job description. It requires a certain demeanor, an understanding of complex issues, the ability to give and take, speak eloquently or at least convincingly.

Instead we have a semi senile goon who doesn't read briefs, doesn't attend NSA meetings, doesn't go to capital hill to twist arms but instead sends the man who should already be president Mike Pence to negotiate while he goes golfing or sits around the white house snorting adderall and watching faux. Then when a deal is struck he turns on Faux and Hannity is complaining that its a bad deal and Trump tweets out that hes not for what he had his negotiators agree to with the dems and kills it and throws everyone under the bus. His mexico tariff policy was tweeted out at 7:30 PM sending his aides scrambling to not make crazy man look bad. News supports surfaced the were "blindsided" "caught off guard" like always. You think?

Not surprising there has been so much off the record and some on the record discussion of 25th amendment removal of this lunatic.

One more thing ID. Tarriffs are a tax on US, not Mexico or China or anyone else. The average american will spend nearly 1000 dollars more this year just with existing tariffs. Also the short term impact of actually raising the GDP with these tariffs is because many large corporations have bought ahead, stocked up to delay the impact of these higher prices and when that inventory is gone the bite out of your wallet and mine will really kick in.

[Hawktawk]

Hey ID maybe you should cut and paste all these links about Mueller retracting things, all these witnesses Barr has contradicting Mueller etc. I'm all over the media other than FAUX news and I'm not seeing these things anywhere, much like a lot of the stuff you post. If its a legitimate news source please post it OK? I'm really beginning to believe you just make stuff up to support your cult of personality love affair with your felon loon.
Again, change your news source. They aren't reporting stuff you should know.

No go ahead and cut and paste it ID. Even if its infowars or Hannity or whoever so i dont think you just make stuff up like I think maybe you do. I want to know if its you or Hannity making it up. BTW even Brett Baer and Andrew Napolitano said on your channel that Mueller's statement was in direct contrast to Barr's 4 page whitewash.

Pleas post links to you claims Mueller retracted one word of his statement. I could care less what Barr says. Hes a complete shill for the felon at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

[Hawktawk]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock ... 2019-05-31

A little meat on the bone of the topic

[c_hawkbob]

Ill take a swing
In 2013 a bipartisan Immigration reform bill passed the senate with I believe 76 votes. It would have doubled the number of border patrol agents, extended the length of the wall/fence to 700 miles, made E verify the law of the land and provided a pathway to citizenship for the DACA people. I believe the total expenditure would have been around 25 billion or over 4 times what Trump is demanding now. Paul Ryan refused to even vote on it in the house preferring to use the lives of desperate brown skinned people as a political football. Sure enough demonizing brown skinned desperate people was almost as helpful as Vlad Putin and Hillary Clinton in getting Trump elected and Dems utterly refuse to play ball with a white nationalist racist so here we are.

His failed shutdown came as a result of his temper tantrum like he always throws. The deal maker cant make any sort of a deal ON ANYTHING!!!!.Even infrastructure which enjoys broad bipartisan support exploded in exactly 3 minutes over a temper tantrum about congress daring to investigate his criminal lifestyle.

He doesn't negotiate, he demands, pouts, screams, throws fits,Goes on tweet storms of up to 60 in an hour, misspelled , false and misleading things. He has no clue of the actual issues or any way to address them other than an iron fist. His "zero tolerance" solution was ripping babies out of the arms of desperate parents and in many cases losing them never to be reunited in violation of existing laws which makes crossing the border first offense basically a misdemeanor. It would be like getting a traffic ticket and getting your kids taken away if they were in the car. Asylum is currently legal under our constitution. Do these laws need to be reviewed? Absolutely but they are what they are currently.

The funds he is removing from the northern triangle countries some of whose citizens built his golf courses for pennies on the dollar illegally have proven to help lower crime and improve living conditions in the countries. In other words, as bad as it is now his policies will make it even worse. By comparison Obama regularly engaged with the northern triangle countries, sent emissaries there almost monthly including Biden on numerous occasions and had a much lower amount of crossings and problems from northern triangle countries than the great deal maker who was going to fix everything on the border. Crossings are at a 13 year high so whats up with Mr art of the deal?

Dems are far from blameless in all of this obviously. But like Harry Truman once said" the buck stops here". With Trump its "the buck never got here" And he did control all 3 branches and the SCOTUS his first 2 years as well.

I told my best friend who is a successful businessmen who was all gung ho for Trump in 2016 because he was also a businessman that buyer beware since I had observed Trumps *style * during the campaign.

Politics has its own job description. It requires a certain demeanor, an understanding of complex issues, the ability to give and take, speak eloquently or at least convincingly.

Instead we have a semi senile goon who doesn't read briefs, doesn't attend NSA meetings, doesn't go to capital hill to twist arms but instead sends the man who should already be president Mike Pence to negotiate while he goes golfing or sits around the white house snorting adderall and watching faux. Then when a deal is struck he turns on Faux and Hannity is complaining that its a bad deal and Trump tweets out that hes not for what he had his negotiators agree to with the dems and kills it and throws everyone under the bus. His mexico tariff policy was tweeted out at 7:30 PM sending his aides scrambling to not make crazy man look bad. News supports surfaced the were "blindsided" "caught off guard" like always. You think?

Not surprising there has been so much off the record and some on the record discussion of 25th amendment removal of this lunatic.

One more thing ID. Tarriffs are a tax on US, not Mexico or China or anyone else. The average american will spend nearly 1000 dollars more this year just with existing tariffs. Also the short term impact of actually raising the GDP with these tariffs is because many large corporations have bought ahead, stocked up to delay the impact of these higher prices and when that inventory is gone the bite out of your wallet and mine will really kick in.

Other than the whole 'Pense should be President' thing I for the most part agree with this.

[idhawkman]

So wait, you want to know how many are coming but you don't want to stop any of them? Electronics can't stop or arrest anyone you know.

The wall isn't going to get built, at least not as envisioned by DJT. It's best that you start thinking of alternatives.

We have far more illegal immigrants coming through ports of entry than we do in border areas. As a matter of fact, the majority of undocumented aliens are here because they overstayed their visas, meaning they entered the country legally. Billions upon billions of dollars for a wall isn't going to fix that problem.

I think based on American opinions you should get used to a wall being built.

Not sure if this will come through but this has been on MSM tvs also and there's no way more illegals are coming through ports of entry than this. Maybe 6 months ago that could be true but no longer.

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We can use electronic means to detect humans attempting to cross unfenced areas long before they get to the border. It isn't like we have a triple canopy jungle for them to hide in. Quick response units can then be dispatched to meet them.

This show a total lack of understanding of the crisis on your part. One processing station aprehended 750 illegals on May 7th and another 900 on May 8th. The station was built to process up to 125 total. Agents are not able to react to the "surveillance" since they are changing baby diapers, getting formula, transporting to hospitals and processing centers, building tents, etc, etc, etc. By the way, if that video plays ok here, that is your solution to the border and as you can see, there is no "quick response units" available to stop any of them. Therefore, what you have advocated is effectively an open border policy with a twist. The twist is that at least we would know how many illegals there are here but it wouldn't stop a single one of them.

China doesn't share a border with us. Besides, I really don't care how many jobs are outsourced so long as there is plenty of opportunity in this country, and with far more job openings than unemployed, there is not an economic argument for not outsourcing some jobs, particularly minimum wage, unskilled work like agricultural.

Again a lack of understanding of the situation. I don't know the last time you went downtown of a large city but you will find homelessness as a serious problem. Why are those people homeless?

You don't like Hispanics coming across the border to work in low wage jobs like picking apples and asparagus and want to spend billions on a wall to prevent them from entering yet you don't want to encourage them to grow those same crops down there and give them an incentive to stay in their homeland. Got it!

You have no idea what I like or don't regarding this. I love Hispanics coming across our border as long as they do it legally. What you want are (as AOC just stated) endentured servants. I doubt you have considered the wages that the "low wage" people would be making if they didn't have to compete with the illegals for those jobs. So what you have laid out up until now is that your low cost products is more important to you than rule of law, humanity in many different forms and quite frankly a "me first" attitude to the plight of those people. Got it.

[RiverDog]

By comparison Obama regularly engaged with the northern triangle countries, sent emissaries there almost monthly including Biden on numerous occasions and had a much lower amount of crossings and problems from northern triangle countries than the great deal maker who was going to fix everything on the border. Crossings are at a 13 year high so whats up with Mr art of the deal?

That's a good point. Illegal border crossings were at 30 year lows under Obama, now they're going up under Trump. It was never a crisis until Trump took office.

One more thing ID. Tarriffs are a tax on US, not Mexico or China or anyone else. The average american will spend nearly 1000 dollars more this year just with existing tariffs.

In addition to the higher prices we're having to pay for Trump's tariffs, the average American is getting double dipped as in order to keep his base on the reservation, he's been giving farmers hurt by the tariffs a handout.

[idhawkman]

Ill take a swing
In 2013 a bipartisan Immigration reform bill passed the senate with I believe 76 votes. It would have doubled the number of border patrol agents, extended the length of the wall/fence to 700 miles, made E verify the law of the land and provided a pathway to citizenship for the DACA people. I believe the total expenditure would have been around 25 billion or over 4 times what Trump is demanding now. Paul Ryan refused to even vote on it in the house preferring to use the lives of desperate brown skinned people as a political football. Sure enough demonizing brown skinned desperate people was almost as helpful as Vlad Putin and Hillary Clinton in getting Trump elected and Dems utterly refuse to play ball with a white nationalist racist so here we are.

well I give you credit for trying. Passing something that doesn't have a chance to become law is "trying" also. I believe I have also pointed out that Steers "try". Addiitonally, how does this help solve the plight of the people at the border in today's timeframe?

His failed shutdown came as a result of his temper tantrum like he always throws. The deal maker cant make any sort of a deal ON ANYTHING!!!!.Even infrastructure which enjoys broad bipartisan support exploded in exactly 3 minutes over a temper tantrum about congress daring to investigate his criminal lifestyle.

Again, no solutions offered. I'm pretty sure you are savvy enough to know what it takes to pass a LAW in the US, right?

He doesn't negotiate, he demands, pouts, screams, throws fits,Goes on tweet storms of up to 60 in an hour, misspelled , false and misleading things. He has no clue of the actual issues or any way to address them other than an iron fist. His "zero tolerance" solution was ripping babies out of the arms of desperate parents and in many cases losing them never to be reunited in violation of existing laws which makes crossing the border first offense basically a misdemeanor. It would be like getting a traffic ticket and getting your kids taken away if they were in the car. Asylum is currently legal under our constitution. Do these laws need to be reviewed? Absolutely but they are what they are currently.

Actually, your facts are wrong. He offered DACA double of what the dems wanted even but the dems were the ones who threw the fit and refused to give on anything. Additionally, the zero tolerance was zero tolerance in making exceptions to the existing laws that CONGRESS passed. HE (the executive branch) is not responsible for passing legislation, they are responsible for carrying out the laws passed by the legislature and signed by a president. So you may have a problem with the zero tolerance policy but it isn't the president that you should be mad at. Write your congressional represenatives and senators to tell them you are unhappy with them. Lastly, have you ever been arrested with kids in your car? Do they go to jail with you or do they separate them from you?

The funds he is removing from the northern triangle countries some of whose citizens built his golf courses for pennies on the dollar illegally have proven to help lower crime and improve living conditions in the countries. In other words, as bad as it is now his policies will make it even worse. By comparison Obama regularly engaged with the northern triangle countries, sent emissaries there almost monthly including Biden on numerous occasions and had a much lower amount of crossings and problems from northern triangle countries than the great deal maker who was going to fix everything on the border. Crossings are at a 13 year high so whats up with Mr art of the deal?

Ah yes, here we go again with unfounded allegations against the president. He used green card people when he could so that they could make some money to send home and you now chastise him for that? Wow! Regarding Obumer, he sent emissaries - woohoo! You forgot to point out that the policies and ineffective actions of Obumer created this problem in the first place. Most specifically when he signed DACA is when the magnet to the US started bringing those folks here. The reason he had lower border crossings is because until he signed DACA we had laws that would send them back home and there was no incentives for them to uproot their whole families and risk their lives coming here. Regarding Mr. Art of the Deal, "if" he was allowed to enforce the law, rescind DACA, Build the wall, etc, there wouldn't be a 13 year high. That's why border crossing went down after he was elected until the courts and dems blocked his every move. Lastly, again, good TRY on a solution but this para also has NO solutions offered.

Dems are far from blameless in all of this obviously. But like Harry Truman once said" the buck stops here". With Trump its "the buck never got here" And he did control all 3 branches and the SCOTUS his first 2 years as well.

Well remember the courts prevented the buck from stopping there. Additionally as you pointed out, Ryan (never Trumper) held up immigration policy in the House and the bill never got to his desk.

I told my best friend who is a successful businessmen who was all gung ho for Trump in 2016 because he was also a businessman that buyer beware since I had observed Trumps *style * during the campaign.

I'm not even sure what the point of this sentence is in your response. Thanks for sharing I guess.

Politics has its own job description. It requires a certain demeanor, an understanding of complex issues, the ability to give and take, speak eloquently or at least convincingly.

Not only is this what we fought the revolution over but it is why Trump sits in the White House today. I don't care how smoothly you tell me that you are going to screw me, I'm not buying it.

Instead we have a semi senile goon who doesn't read briefs, doesn't attend NSA meetings, doesn't go to capital hill to twist arms but instead sends the man who should already be president Mike Pence to negotiate while he goes golfing or sits around the white house snorting adderall and watching faux. Then when a deal is struck he turns on Faux and Hannity is complaining that its a bad deal and Trump tweets out that hes not for what he had his negotiators agree to with the dems and kills it and throws everyone under the bus. His mexico tariff policy was tweeted out at 7:30 PM sending his aides scrambling to not make crazy man look bad. News supports surfaced the were "blindsided" "caught off guard" like always. You think?

I don't blame him "IF" he doesn't attend NSA briefs or meetings since they tried to take him out. How can he trust what they tell him? Everything else you wrote is folly at best. What was most amusing is that his tweet on Mexico was a blindside. "IF" you go back and read my posts I said he was going to do that at least 8 hours before he did it. Who it caught blind sided was not his aides but congress - yes, even republicans. That's because none of them want to address the problem at the border. Dems want more voters and republicans want cheap labor. That said, what Trump did got their attention very quickly and for that it is a success. The members of both houses in congress are going to have to address this issue or their constituents are going to face pain and start questioning them as they run for reelection. So far, the move is working as I think Trump intended it to. Let's watch the courts stop it though and sentencing those on the border to more death and destruction.

Not surprising there has been so much off the record and some on the record discussion of 25th amendment removal of this lunatic.

Yep, but again, not even sure why you wrote this. It has no chance of being successful.

One more thing ID. Tarriffs are a tax on US, not Mexico or China or anyone else. The average american will spend nearly 1000 dollars more this year just with existing tariffs. Also the short term impact of actually raising the GDP with these tariffs is because many large corporations have bought ahead, stocked up to delay the impact of these higher prices and when that inventory is gone the bite out of your wallet and mine will really kick in.

You have a false talking point. As I pointed out earlier, inflation is below the 2% target the fed wants and if it stays there they will lower the interest rates saving more than $1,000 for Americans. I could go into why inflation rates continue to be low while wages are rising but that would stray from what you "TRIED" to do - come up with a solution to the border crisis. Big FAIL on that point in your response.

[idhawkman]

No go ahead and cut and paste it ID. Even if its infowars or Hannity or whoever so i dont think you just make stuff up like I think maybe you do. I want to know if its you or Hannity making it up. BTW even Brett Baer and Andrew Napolitano said on your channel that Mueller's statement was in direct contrast to Barr's 4 page whitewash.

Pleas post links to you claims Mueller retracted one word of his statement. I could care less what Barr says. Hes a complete shill for the felon at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Do your own research and google it. You'll find it right there.

So you want links from me but you wildly make claims that you never post links for. I bet you call the kettle black, too.

[Hawktawk]

So you want links from me but you wildly make claims that you never post links for. I bet you call the kettle black, too.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-w ... story.html

Heres one ID. I could bury the forum with a hundred .I regularly link, another falsehood just made up by you. Yes Trump has used some HB22 legal Mexicans but these northern triangle workers that are now dogs, MS 13 killers, drug smugglers etc were most certainly not. His corporations only began going to E verify within the last year because as a sleazy NY businessman he could pretty much do whatever he wanted until he became president and people started checking up on him. he was still firing them during the shutdown after using them to line his pockets for decades. Not a fan....

[Hawktawk]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-s ... er-1257787

Heres another. I randomly selected this one but there are many people who have made statements like this including a conservative republican who is in a position to have some knowledge who said on the record that Trump uses his free time in the WH ( he clocks into the oval office about 3 hours a day) to snort rails of adderall and watch cable news and tweet. To be fair hes a never trumper but no shame in that. We hate him worse than the democrats....

[RiverDog]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-snorted-adderall-apprentice-tom-arnold-noel-casler-1257787

Heres another. I randomly selected this one but there are many people who have made statements like this including a conservative republican who is in a position to have some knowledge who said on the record that Trump uses his free time in the WH ( he clocks into the oval office about 3 hours a day) to snort rails of adderall and watch cable news and tweet. To be fair hes a never trumper but no shame in that. We hate him worse than the democrats....

Wow, nice link, Hawktalk. A few paragraphs caught my eye:

He (Trump) would line up the (teenage) girls on the side of the stage, and he would inspect them. Literally, he would stick his little freaking doll fingers in their mouth and look at their teeth," Casler said. "I’m not kidding, this is true, he would line them up like they were pieces of meat. He’d be like, 'You, you, and you, if you want to win I’m in the penthouse suite, come and see me.'

In 2016, the Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people, including former contestants and workers on the reality-TV show, who said that Trump "repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language." Sources said that he would discuss women's breast sizes.

And I'm sure there's more where that came from.

I'll bet the Biden camp is hoping like hell that Trump tries to make some hay with the "creepy Joe" stuff during the campaign.

[idhawkman]

So you want links from me but you wildly make claims that you never post links for. I bet you call the kettle black, too.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-w ... story.html

Heres one ID. I could bury the forum with a hundred .I regularly link, another falsehood just made up by you. Yes Trump has used some HB22 legal Mexicans but these northern triangle workers that are now dogs, MS 13 killers, drug smugglers etc were most certainly not. His corporations only began going to E verify within the last year because as a sleazy NY businessman he could pretty much do whatever he wanted until he became president and people started checking up on him. he was still firing them during the shutdown after using them to line his pockets for decades. Not a fan....

This is a great example of how you get duped by fake news. From your article:

Their descriptions of Bedminster's long reliance on illegal workers are bolstered by a newly obtained police report showing that the club's head of security was told in 2011 about an employee suspected of using false identification papers - the first known documentation of a warning to the Trump Organization about the legal status of a worker

But you only want to focus on the 2002 portion.

The company's recent purge of unauthorized workers from at least five Trump properties contributes to mounting evidence that the president benefited for years from the work of illegal laborers he now vilifies.

It remains unclear what measures Trump or his company took to avoid hiring such workers, even after he launched a White House bid built around the threat he says they pose to Americans.

Again, you finally find out that they don't know if these workers produced fake IDs or if they actually worked for a company that Trump outsourced the work to, etc. I can't believe you fall for this crap!

Eric Trump has said he and other senior Trump Organization executives did not know the company hired illegal workers, noting that the employees used falsified documents.

"We have tens of thousands of employees across our properties and have very strict hiring practices," the company said in a statement in December. "If any employee submitted false documentation in an attempt to circumvent the law, they will be terminated immediately. We take this issue very seriously."

Buried 18 paragraphs deep into the story you posted as "PROOF" that he hired illegals. At least you didn't convict him of it like HawkTalk has already. He's not above the law but he's also not below the law and is INNOCENT until proven guilty. "IF" these zealous dems had anything on him, they'd have brought charges already but no, there hasn't been anything.

FAKE NEWS!!!!

[idhawkman]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-snorted-adderall-apprentice-tom-arnold-noel-casler-1257787

Heres another. I randomly selected this one but there are many people who have made statements like this including a conservative republican who is in a position to have some knowledge who said on the record that Trump uses his free time in the WH ( he clocks into the oval office about 3 hours a day) to snort rails of adderall and watch cable news and tweet. To be fair hes a never trumper but no shame in that. We hate him worse than the democrats....

That's hilarious. There's no way you read that before you posted it.

[idhawkman]

This should have been the Mueller Report.

https://subscribe.theepochtimes.com/p/?page=spygate&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=social-paid&utm_campaign=Mueller&utm_term=Mueller1&utm_content=$1%20trial&fbclid=IwAR3roWYmapmPR-bdXKwfr4iAkhm9j_RqfbTAIRbOQ2b_CUItqYFHBR4hIBM

[idhawkman]

Oh no, crushing news on Trump.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/32456-election-models-predicting-big-trump-win-in-2020

[c_hawkbob]

Jesus, you, who crow about the bias of MSM, can't do any better than The Epoch Times and The New American for links? No wonder you have such a skewed view of the world.

[RiverDog]

Jesus, you, who crow about the bias of MSM, can't do any better than The Epoch Times and The New American for links? No wonder you have such a skewed view of the world.

Yea, our friend Idahawkman gets his news from a wide variety of sources, doesn't he? How do you think he maintains his objectivity?

[idhawkman]

Jesus, you, who crow about the bias of MSM, can't do any better than The Epoch Times and The New American for links? No wonder you have such a skewed view of the world.

Yea, our friend Idahawkman gets his news from a wide variety of sources, doesn't he? How do you think he maintains his objectivity?

Unfortunate for you two but enjoy the suck for the next 5.5 years.

[idhawkman]

Pretty bad when Bill Mahr lectures the dems about how they are losing the messaging battle.

****BE CAREFUL, MAHR USING BAD LANGUAGE SO CHECK YOUR AREA BEFORE PLAYING OUT LOUD****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glFS5xo-B3g

[idhawkman]

I'm loving the crickets in here as it allows me to post MORE WINNING from the Trump administration.

Stock market shot up today because the feds said they will probably lower rates 2 times by the end of the year and especially if there are indicators that the new tariffs are hurting the economy. That kind of puts a dagger in the heart of 2 talking points by the dems and never trumpers.

Trump's approval rating among Republicans is now at 94% which is the highest in history.

Trump's having a great trip to UK so far and giving the UK backing for a no deal brexit.

Trump not being primaried by Hogan from MD. (really took the air out of the Never Trumper's sails).

And best of all, Biden implosion over yet again plagiarism for his policy on the green deal. I'm now wondering who will survive the dem primaries and how popular they will be.

Oh, and don't forget the Mueller hoax is falling apart because they left out exculpatory evidence regarding the McGhan testimony. Looks like McGhan may press charges against the special counsel over it, too.

[I-5]

Lol quoting approval ratings among his own party. Well, of course they approve of their guy..

Look nationally, Trump currently is at 41%, with 52% disapproval. Even Clinton AFTER he was impeached had a 73% approval rating, and left office with a 65% approval rating...those aren't democrat approvals, but national approvals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_im ... ll_Clinton

[idhawkman]

Lol quoting approval ratings among his own party. Well, of course they approve of their guy..

Look nationally, Trump currently is at 41%, with 52% disapproval. Even Clinton AFTER he was impeached had a 73% approval rating, and left office with a 65% approval rating...those aren't democrat approvals, but national approvals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_im ... ll_Clinton

Even though I don't put much faith in polls, Trump is at 48% job approval right now. And yes, the repubs do approve of him but in the highest percentage than any other republican president. That said, you may also want to look at the election models that I posted earlier which is a better indicator than polls.

BTW, in the latests polls I find it interesting that more people think fake news is more of a threat to the US than terrorism. CNN lost 24% of its viewership after the Mueller report and again last month they lost an additional 10%. Heck, even Bill Mahr is saying that the dems are losing the messaging battle. Now your front running has been caught plagiarising AGAIN (he had to drop out of his 1988 presidential run over it, too).

What's really going to shake the fake news to the core is Christopher Steele testifying to Durham. He's such a weazel I could see him rolling over on Hilliary, Biden and Obama.

Like I said, enjoy the suck.

[I-5]

Sorry, wrong. He is not at 48% job approval - show us where you got that. It's fake news.

The presidential approval ratings are based on the Gallup poll. Read it for yourself here (it's actually lower than what I said, more like 40%):

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/pre ... trump.aspx

If you don't agree, then don't mention polls at all.

[idhawkman]

Uh oh, its now at 50% approve and 49% disapprove. Enjoy it while you can.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history